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Exodus from Egypt

שו”תCategory: faithExodus from Egypt
asked 9 years ago

Hello Rabbi,
According to what we know, the demographics of the Egyptian population in the years leading up to the Exodus were no more than 4-5 million people,
While in the Exodus from Egypt, about 6 million people left together with the Arab Rabbi!
This means that realistically, all of Egypt will leave with the Jews, and there will still be a million people missing….

So actually, in principle, it doesn’t make sense. It’s really an overdraft of people.

What does the Rabbi say about the above evidence against the truths of Judaism?
Does the rabbi know the argument?


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מיכי Staff answered 9 years ago
Well, the wording “proof against the truth of Judaism” is a bit bombastic. There are accounts within the Torah that show that the number of those who left is probably not real (accounts of the number of firstborns and more). It is possible that the number 600,000 is typological, as the Maharal writes, meaning that the entire community left. But in reality it is a few thousand. Beyond that, these historical accounts themselves require careful examination, as there is much speculation in these areas. In particular, it must be examined whether slaves were included in the total number or whether they only counted the citizens.  

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משה replied 9 years ago

Including the slaves….

Even if it is typological, the rabbi should remember that they left Egypt in clans…..
Moreover, it weakens Judaism at this moment that the rabbi has retreated by a number of witnesses..

But respected professors write this….

משה replied 9 years ago

P.S.
What the Rabbi says is a bit problematic,
“These are the numbers of the children of Israel, according to their fathers' houses: all the numbers of the camps, according to their armies–six hundred thousand and three thousand, and five hundred and fifty. 33 But the Levites–were not numbered among the children of Israel: as the LORD commanded Moses. 33 And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses; so they pitched by their standards, and so they journeyed, every man according to his family, according to the house of his fathers.

This is probably six hundred thousand.

מיכי Staff replied 9 years ago

Indeed, it is clear that this is not the Torah's plain language. But as mentioned, there are several points here that require examination.

משה replied 9 years ago

Does the Rabbi think that it is possible that the number compiled by science on the population of Egypt is incorrect?

Does the Rabbi think that it is possible that a quarter of the population of Egypt (because there are statistics that support this) was Jewish?
And there is no evidence of this? This is a major crisis, right?

מושה replied 9 years ago

Can you show where you came up with the conclusion that 6 million left Egypt, including children, old people, boys, girls, and a great many people? Moses – There is a tradition among my ancestors that in a pyramid southeast of Egypt near the city of Ramses there is a scroll hidden among the stones of the inner pyramid, and they also hid the Ark of Moses in the pyramid. Do you know anything about this?

פ replied 9 years ago

It says exactly how many there are in each tribe, so it can't be typological.

מחשבון replied 9 years ago

In the Book of Numbers (3:34) it is written that the number of firstborn males in Israel from one month old and above is: 22,273.
Assuming that the number of males and females is equal, all the firstborns (boys and girls) in that generation were 44,546.
Assuming that each family has a father, mother and eight children, the number of all the Exoduses from Egypt, men and women, of all ages is 445,460.
And let us remember of course that not every family has 8 children.

מושה replied 9 years ago

I understood what you wrote but it doesn't answer my question
How did you get to 6 million
Not half a million

קב replied 9 years ago

Regarding the calculation of the firstborn in the wilderness, see Rabbi Elchanan Samet's article on the above-mentioned parasha.
He says that it is from the Exodus.
And in connection with the question with the thousand, which is certainly not referring to a family,
it is still possible to put it in families and it is true that it is pushing, but still.
For example, “for their army – six hundred thousand and three thousand, and five hundred and fifty”
Six hundred families, and another 3550 people.
(When it is said thousand in the singular, it refers to a family and in the plural to 1000)

And there are still other examples to cross out and push.

In any case,

Assuming that each generation = 20 years,
then approximately to reach the number of 2.4 million people who left Egypt,
you need to reach the amount that each parent gave birth to ~5.2 children. (Everything is rounded) Let's say even 6 children.

And this is already mentioned in the Torah, and they multiplied and multiplied very much, to the point that the Sages say that 6 were born in one womb (they may be including the people who died in the plague of darkness),
because apparently the Egyptians only had about 3 children.
And the plague of firstborns killed all the firstborns in Egypt, so the calculations that are made today are incorrect, and they need to be multiplied by the firstborn who died, so 1.5 times,
So assuming that the calculation is five million (and this is also very speculative, see the website from which the above numbers were taken),
So it is possible that it should be more than 7.5 million and so on,
So if the Jewish population was a quarter of Egypt, then now it stands at 1/6 and so on,
And it is possible that the population of Egypt in general is a little larger than the ones given.

In short, you need to check the source website better http://reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/index.html

M replied 9 years ago

See here my detail until the remains of the desert, Egypt and the possibility of attributing the number of the Israelites to a typological number

https://mikyab.net/שות/יציאת-מצרים-אברכיאולוגיה-2/#answer-1942&comment=2983

If the Rabbi agrees, I suggest conducting the discussion there in order to concentrate the material in one question.

קב replied 9 years ago

I would suggest opening a more official page on the subject,
because this topic bothers many. The youth movement likes to use it (with many inaccuracies, for example the number six million, which I think is taken from it).

It is written in the Torah that the Egyptians were afraid of the Israelites,

To illustrate what is meant by a quarter of the people, it would be nice to take the members of our minorities,
for example, we will focus on the Arabs.

For the sake of illustration, let's consider that there are not all the Arabs in the country and the Arabs in the Gaza Strip, but only the Arabs in Judea and Samaria.

The question that everyone should ask him is whether it is so excessive that the population of the Israelites would be a quarter, as today the Arabs in Samaria are a quarter of the Jews.

מושה replied 9 years ago

The real question to ask:

Why did the psychotic Pharaoh say to kill all the male children born, instead of selling the Jews to foreign countries while they were still young! That way the number of Jews would decrease and he would also make money on the sale. In the same way he could sell entire families into slavery in different countries of the world. What are the chances that they will come back to take revenge on him while they are slaves? Zero.
The thought comes from the Book of Esther, and for the slaves and maidservants we were sold as slaves – Esther said to Ahasuerus!

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