God under logic?

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asked 2 years ago

I showed a friend your article on the claim that God is subject to logic and this is what he replied to me, what do you think?
Well, from what I understand, he doesn’t exactly say that God is subject to the laws of logic, he’s kind of dancing around it.
In any case, I do think he has some major mistakes that are worth asking him about.
First of all, everything he says and proves fits very well, but according to our logic, that is, he simply deduces from the laws of logic themselves that they are valid in every situation, and while there are situations in which they are not valid, we obviously cannot determine any truth about them from our logical starting point. Another thing, it has long been proven that the world itself in which we live does not exactly “listen” to the laws of our logic, that is, we can take for example our ability to move, which has already been logically proven to be impossible by Parmenides.
Another example is a triangle, by definition it can only contain 180 degrees, but in space there are logical situations in which it contains 270 degrees. That is, there is even a situation in which (before the singular point perhaps?) a triangle is round.
In conclusion, I do not think that it is possible to deduce any logical truth about a system of logic or illogic that is outside our system, and moreover, the logical system itself contains contradictions that do not correspond to our reality.
In conclusion, assuming hypothetically that there is a situation with a different logic, or no logic at all, as Soviets who are limited to logic, we will never be able to prove or disprove it.

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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago

I answered all of this, and I didn’t see anything new here. I did not prove my words on the basis of logic. My words are a look at logic and its meaning. My claim is that talk outside of logic is meaningless. If you want to claim that God is not subject to logic, then you can say that He is both merciful and cruel at the same time. Both exist and do not. Both created the world and do not. In short, you say nothing. A person can mumble nonsense to his heart’s content. But you cannot call that speech or argument. I asked whether God can create a stone that he cannot lift, or can create a shell that penetrates every wall and a wall that resists every shell at the same time? Please give me an answer to that and then we can talk (or we cannot). As long as we do not do that, it is just a flower of empty words. The triangle example is just a mistake. In Euclidean space there is no other sum of angles. In non-Euclidean space it is possible, but even there there is another given sum that is not absent. In every reality (space or metric) there is a certain sum of angles and there is no other.

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אוריה replied 2 years ago

Actually, you've pretty much convinced me, but when you say that ”God is subject to logic” it sounds as if God has logic, before he created the world, even then he couldn't have created a round triangle? I suppose not, but not because it's not logical, but because these things didn't exist.
So, how can God be subject to logic?

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

If you had read in the places I referenced, you would have seen that "bent" here is exactly what you wrote about a circular triangle, and not "bent" in the sense used in relation to the laws of the state or the laws of physics.