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Is it likely that God will reveal himself?

שו”תCategory: faithIs it likely that God will reveal himself?
asked 1 year ago

The rabbi usually claims that once one comes to believe in a philosophical God, it is easier to adopt the claim that he was revealed because if there is a God, it is likely that he will reveal himself to humans and demand certain behavior from them.
My question is how does the Rabbi make this leap, and why is it likely that he will be discovered?


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מיכי Staff answered 3 months ago
If you know that I usually claim this, in these places I also explained why. I will explain briefly. If He created us, He probably wanted something from us (especially from us as people with free will and free choice). This cannot be morality because morality is only a tool for creating a reformed society. Don’t create a society and you won’t need morality. But nothing else is known to me, and therefore I would expect there to be a revelation that would tell me what is incumbent upon me.

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אלישע replied 1 year ago

How does the Rabbi conclude that what created us is ‘He’ and not ‘This’?
How does the Rabbi understand that God has a will?
What is the purpose of keeping the commandments in the Rabbi's opinion?
Isn't this purpose to correct man and society (according to the words of the Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim, it is implied that it is)?

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

I addressed all of this in the book. I will explain briefly.
A. It should be 'it' and not 'it', because if it is 'it', then it is a mechanism that itself requires explanation. Beyond that, He revealed Himself to us and said that it is 'it' and not 'it'.
B. The purpose of fulfilling the commandments is to achieve religious goals and objectives. I cannot say beyond that, and it is not likely that I will. After all, these goals are found outside our world (because goals within the world cannot constitute an explanation for its creation).
C. As stated, no. I do not accept the Maimonides' words, unless he means to say that this is the goal from our perspective and not from the perspective of God Almighty. See column 457 on this.

אלישע replied 1 year ago

Thank you very much, you helped me!
I really appreciate your work!

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

happily.

יוסי החרדי replied 1 year ago

But the fact that only 0.2 percent of the world's population received an instruction book that explains the reason for creation shows that there is another purpose for creation and perhaps more than that, shows that this encounter, if there was one, adds nothing to the question of why the world was really created. After all, the 7 commandments of the sons of Noah were not born at that encounter. Unless we assume that there are 9 billion people who are simply unnecessary.

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

They are not superfluous. Their role is to create a healthy human infrastructure and an environment within which the Jewish people exist.
Although in my opinion this is also a bit megalomaniacal. It is more likely that they have the roles that their religions set before them. The exclusive discourse as if we are the important ones and the rest are wrong and marginal is a discourse for our internal needs.

יוסי החרדי replied 1 year ago

Well, it is the giver. If we arrive at the reason for humanity's existence even without the Torah, how can I assume that you are arguing that a revelation and encounter are necessary here? After all, we can get by without it for 99.8 percent of the world. Especially since, according to you, God does not intervene in the world at all, and even the story of the giving of the Torah itself may very well be tainted by exaggeration and changes, so what compels us to think that such an encounter existed, or even that such an encounter should exist?

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

I don't understand this insistence. The discussion is about what the purpose of the creation of the world is, not what the purpose of the creation of Yossi the Haredi or Ahmed the Muslim. Knowledge of the world is so that humanity can strive to fulfill religious values. This is done so that the majority of the world provides the infrastructure and the minority acts in its own field. This is a division of tasks within humanity, just like the division of tasks within the Jewish people between Israelites and priests.

יוסי החרדי replied 1 year ago

In short, you are saying what you denied a line before. We are the privileged, the exclusive, the “priests” of the world. We are the central target.

I insist that basing your argument on “why he created us”, the people and Judaism alone, including the encounter with God, does not provide a sufficient answer. Unless we say that every religion embodies the values for which the world was created, which is a stretch, when these often contradict Judaism and are based on a single testimony and not on an encounter with an entire people.

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

I'm sorry, but you'll have to look elsewhere for help with reading comprehension. I'll end here.

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