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On the moral tendency as the realization of a religious ideal

שו”תCategory: philosophyOn the moral tendency as the realization of a religious ideal
asked 4 years ago

Hello Rabbi.
In your book, the first one, in the fourth conversation, page 406, you object to Rabbi Kook’s statement regarding his view of pioneering motivations as having religious significance.
However, later on, on page 428, you see the instinctive moral tendency as a tendency that is based on unconscious belief.
If so, why deny the existence of an act out of an ideal, which I assume has a religious tendency deep down, any religious value?
I am quite convinced that Rabbi Kook also perceived it this way, recognizing the inner tendency, which in his opinion is the true one. The things also emerge from what he wrote in Lenbuch Hador Chapter 10 and, at the same time, in his article Afikim Negev, that we must show young people how the tendencies they hold onto are the ideals of the Torah.


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מיכי Staff answered 4 years ago
I didn’t understand the question. I’m not denying the existence of unconscious beliefs and their influence. I’m just arguing that they have no value because they were not accepted by my conscious decision. A person only deserves credit for things he does consciously and by his own decision. A person of good character doesn’t deserve credit for that.

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Well, sorry for biasing the discussion towards the person, but you don't *really* disagree with Rabbi Kook (although I do interpret him the way I think and not necessarily in a fixed way).

מיכי replied 4 years ago

I do disagree with you: I don't see any reason why this is the unconscious motivation. And in addition, I understand that the show sees value in it.

I really don't understand. You devote large parts of the fourth conversation to proving that both within morality and the very reliance on knowledge lies a belief in God that we can reveal, and if I also use your assumptions in the introduction and the first conversation - to prove that in principle the man would have believed but he was not aware of it.
If so, even in the very aspiration of life and the impetus of action lies a great faith that one only needs to open the eyes of its owner to understand it. Isn't that right?

מיכי replied 4 years ago

In the notebook there I explained the philosophical necessity. Without faith, morality has no validity. Rabbi Kook is talking about a psychological connection, not a philosophical one.
But even on the psychological level, whence does the aspiration for life and the impetus for action also presuppose faith? Because Rabbi Kook declares that so? Why not say that the desire to eat breakfast is based on faith in Maharishi Yogis and Transcendental Meditation? I fail to understand why I need to explain. Let him explain.

Okay, I personally understood it differently, probably.
Definitely from the philosophical side and not the psychological one

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