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Pleasure requires intention.

שו”תCategory: Talmudic studyPleasure requires intention.
asked 6 years ago

How does “because one benefits” cancel the law of “not being a sinner”?


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
First, see here: https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A1%D7%A7-%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%92%D7%92-%D7%91%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA   For “enjoyed” is said of one who is busy and not of one who is not intending. Although there is room for discussion of this as well. The explanation could be either that the enjoyment means that he probably was not busy but knew what happened there, or that it is a substitute for knowledge. The same arguments can be raised with respect to one who is not intending. I think there is a verse in the Shabbat עבר עברית that discusses this regarding the one who does not intend to. I saw an article here again: http://beinenu.com/sites/default/files/lesson_resources/54.pdf

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דודי replied 6 years ago

I ask this because I tried to understand the question that Egli Tal answers in his introduction as to why enjoyment of learning the Torah does not detract from the mitzvah and the seemingly difficult question is - oh, not for the sake of it. And I did not understand why if there is enjoyment, it means that for the sake of it the mitzvah is done. I would answer that as much as I enjoy the mitzvah, the enjoyment does not take up space for me in the sake of the mitzvah. Like eating that is done for the sake of the body. A person works so that he does not die, and yet if he eats food that is pleasing to the palate, he will enjoy it even though he does not intend to do so. Or maybe really, if a person does not intend to enjoy, he does not enjoy it? Like eating absent-mindedly, when the intention is distracted and he does not enjoy it.

דודי replied 6 years ago

And thanks for the answer!

מיכי replied 6 years ago

First, this is what he answers. Second, since enjoying is only said about physical pleasure (in the cause of and eating)

דודי replied 6 years ago

According to what I am trying to say, pleasure does not pertain to the mitzvah. Whereas Hagli Tal says that it is the essence of the mitzvah.

מיכי replied 6 years ago

Not true. He says that it is not a solution and may even contribute. Not that that is the main thing. In his next sentence he writes that someone who studies to really enjoy themselves is not considered a student for its own sake.

דודי replied 6 years ago

Yes, that's right. Your Honor, please allow me to quote the aforementioned rabbi: "And since the good instinct grows from this, this is certainly the main commandment." Have a good and blessed week. Did you really cut this sentence, eh?? Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. How do we fit into this well-known sentence the word "for you"? The pronunciation of feminism, Merav Michaeli style?! 🙂

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Was there a monkey dancing on your keyboard? I don't understand a word of it.
Pleasure is not the essence of the mitzvah, and the Avnaz does not intend to say so either. His only intention is to say that even if one enjoys it, one is fulfilling the mitzvah according to its halakhic rules, and there is even a virtue in this. In other words, this is the "essence of the mitzvah" on the halakhic level, and not just something of value. In any case, it is clear from his words there that if the motivation is pleasure, then it is not a study for its own sake, as I wrote.

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