Question about the Jewish faith
Let me start by saying that I do not have an “academic degree” in any field… I studied in a very conservative Hasidic yeshiva, and I have no serious idea about anything related to “science”… I am just trying to obtain and accumulate knowledge via the Internet – which is also blocked for me by Netfrey, as required by the society in which I am unwillingly participating… [I hope that my writing in the present tense is not a problem… I am used to speaking in my sector with respectable people in the hidden language]
The truth is that I don’t know the rabbi that well, only from various articles I’ve read and recorded lessons around the [open] Netfrey network. I really connected with his approach and style, and especially with his “open mind” that is not at all committed to the conservative “foundations” of Haredi Judaism…
I am troubled by several questions regarding historical proof of the authenticity of the Mount Sinai tradition:
A. Is the level of proof scientific? In light of reading quite a lot of historical material about the level of education and rationality and shallowness that existed in the Middle Ages [and watching films documenting it and their belief in everything that came up…], I have great doubts whether it is not possible to manipulate an entire people [of whom I don’t know how many souls] and tell them grandmother’s tales… It seems to me very, very easy to do.
B. In a certain article of yours [or interview] I saw that you claim that the belief that the Torah was given at Mount Sinai is not a “historical statement” but a “normative statement.” I would like to understand these words.
third. What exactly is the essence of the “revelation” [I saw that you believe that the core of the Torah was given by God – and many innovations were added to it over the generations], then according to the information we have, there is no such thing [true – there are many fantasies but they are not binding…], and therefore it is very difficult for me to accept the story of the transmitters of the tradition, even if the proof is at the level of other proofs, it is similar to those flying saucers that move and spin before my eyes and I do not see and notice them – even if there were solid proofs for this, not even at the level of mathematical proofs, I would not believe it. Since I have no way to explain the experience that the Israelites went through at Mount Sinai – it is very difficult for me to accept that there was anything there other than imagination, or that it was not there either.
D. I would also like to receive your article about the “religionists” of whom I feel a part… [I am part of a very conservative society – a place where thinking outside the box – is tantamount to heresy in the foundations of Judaism, or worse – in the foundations of the Rebbe…]
E. I would also be happy to receive as many of your articles in general [without a link to a closed place on NetFri. Again, I do not have access to the site], and in particular on the subject in question.
I don’t like to bother you, of course I would be happy for a detailed answer to my questions, but if there is an article that covers the entire topic I raised, I would be happy to receive it.
I eagerly await a response.
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First of all, I thank you for the detailed response!
I am quite young, 26 years old, married plus 3… unfortunately… I also expect from myself as you say, but what can I do when psychological biases dictate my social behavior… I was not raised to think outside the box and it is difficult to act according to it…
A. Is there an article in which you summarized your words at the end of your first published book? And if not, where can I buy the book? [I live in Jerusalem].
Of course, I do not think that the various films depict history as it was, but I do think that they base them on the historical knowledge that exists today [and exaggerate a bit]. People used to be much less critical from a rational point of view, and more gullible and believe in baseless theories [not that this has changed drastically today]. You wrote that within the framework of thought that you present in your book, it is unlikely that they worked on an entire people, but do you take this improbability so seriously as to fully commit to this story?
C. I will try to ask my question again [it turns out that I did not explain it sufficiently before], and it is divided into two:
1. All the experiences that I know of today, I also have definitions that define them [I have not gone through all of them yet, but at least some of them and for what I have gone through to date I think I have definitions, and what I do not – I do not accept 100 percent right now if you ask me]. Although there are experiences that I am unable to experience and imagine in my mind, I am able to “define” them. According to what I think today – every concept must be defined. Otherwise it simply does not exist, meaning the mind will not accept it and be convinced of its truth.
2. The “revelation” that I am being told about, I simply do not understand at all[!!!] what I am being told here. Maybe the meaning of “revelation” is a feeling of love for a certain star? Or a feeling of submission to a great fire? I have no idea what the content of the feeling is, and therefore, I have no idea what the lessons and messages are that I am supposed to receive for myself as a result of this “revelation.” I am aware of the consequences for those people who were there and experienced it, but I have no idea whether they drew the appropriate lessons from the experience or whether they learned unrelated things from it. In short: Let’s say I believe the story of the “revelation” experience, but why should I believe the meaning and interpretation they gave to that “revelation”? [And in any case, they also produced certain lessons]
D. I really thank you for including the article. I read it and enjoyed its content. I also identified very much with everything you wrote there about the Haredi public and its closure. My question is just how long ago was the article written? And have you seen any progress on the matter since then?
E. Right now I am in such a society that if I don't have a NetFri filter on my computer, my daughters won't be accepted into educational institutions, and my wife will be very angry with me, and so on... and I will absorb a lot of insults and humiliations, etc., etc. I imagine that you already know what I'm talking about... [Ignorant of reason] I am terribly afraid to do what I think I should do. I don't know what will happen... God will help...
Is there no way to upload all of the rabbi's articles to a specific place open on Netfrey, from where all Haredim who are interested in this content can download them by linking to it? I believe that many will be able to enjoy them…
Hello.
The fact that we were not educated about something is no excuse for anything. Pagans were also educated to be, and secularists were educated to be secular, and so on. A person should be able to free themselves from the shackles of education and society and act according to their understanding. I wrote recently on my website that among the Haredim I repeatedly find a lack of courage. Many want change and even revolution, but no one is willing to pay the prices required for this. So either they leave or they stay in the ”closet”. But there is no instant turnaround, and revolution has a price.
The feeling of each of them is that society is to blame and there is nothing I can do personally. But society is you and him and the totality of the individuals. When each individual does not act correctly, a distorted society results. Sorry to insist, but I hear these things over and over again, and it infuriates me. As I have written on the site more than once, a Soviet citizen is responsible for the conduct of the Soviet Union, even though an individual citizen there could not have done anything. But the Soviet Union is the sum of all its citizens, and therefore even if there is no blame on an individual person, there is still responsibility for that one person (the difference between blame and responsibility is a very important element that many miss). I linked this to the people of Nablus in the Dina case, of course. Note that an ultra-Orthodox person is not expected to pay the same price as a Soviet citizen who rebels against his country would pay (danger of death and torture and the loss of everything that is dear to him). For ultra-Orthodox, it is a bit of social pressure, and at most it will reach a point where they will have to leave this society. In most cases, it is just fear that turns every mouse into an elephant. When you behave independently out of inner confidence in your path, there is a good chance that you will suddenly find that ultra-Orthodox society manages to digest you, and you will suddenly see that there are others like you and you will even find a match, etc. When everyone is afraid and no one dares to break through these boundaries, it is their own body that holds the boundaries.
It is true that if it is your wife who does not agree with the path, it is much more difficult. But sometimes with her too, it is just fear and habit, and therefore with her too, you need to work on your courage (unless she really disagrees deeply internally. With women, of course, it is more difficult because they have not learned and do not know that not every piece of meat they are fed came down to Moses at Sinai).
A. You can buy the book in Jerusalem. Call my wife Dafna, 052-3322444, and she will guide you. This is a set of considerations that begins with the spelling of the existence of a philosophical God, because in my opinion, this entire set should be examined together and not each individual separately. The question of whether they cannot work on an entire people should also be examined through the prism of the whole and not alone. Of course, nothing is certain, but that is the case in every area of life.
C. I did not understand what the problem is. The fact that I did not experience a revelation means nothing. Just as a blind person does not experience sight. If he is convinced that someone else has experienced it, he can believe it (and he may not). He does not need to know and experience it himself. I assume that if you are a graduate of an ultra-Orthodox education, you do not understand medicine, physics, and mathematics, and yet you believe in people who build devices and create medicines based on these fields.
D. The article was written a long time ago. As for progress, I feel that it is, but of course it is very subjective (I have not been in the ultra-Orthodox community for many years). Different circles are developing within the ultra-Orthodox community and it is learning to live with them (despite the wars and anger, and perhaps because of them). I refer you back to my introduction to this email.
E. See my introduction to this email. I only just wrote on the site in response to a similar question that for me it is a policy not to take these requests too seriously. They come to me very often. I send materials by email to those who request them, of course, upon request and they have to say what exactly they want. But I'm not making an effort to open an accessible platform (I also don't know if it will remain accessible, since the filters there are ideological). I expect anyone who cares about it to make the effort and use an internet service and other filters and not give in to ideological and political filters that are imposed on this society for foreign considerations. It takes some courage and a willingness to pay the price. There are no instant revolutions.
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