Question about the law in my yeshiva
Hello Rabbi Michi.
In the yeshiva where I study, there is a rule that states that a man who does not enter the synagogue by the time the prayer begins (8:10), cannot enter afterwards. That is, let’s say a man enters the “Zaal” at 8:14, the mashgih will tell him to leave and not to enter.
As a result, the young man will not be able to pray in the minyan at that time, because there are no synagogues nearby at all, and only if he gets on a bus to a nearby neighborhood will he be able to find a minyan to pray in, and then he will miss some of his studies, which begin about an hour after the end of the prayer, with the travel. The reality on the ground is that a young man who was banned from entering because of being late sits in his room and prays alone.
I would be happy if you could teach me the halachic opinion on the matter, because it seems puzzling to me that because of the prohibition against being late, it follows that young men cannot enter and pray. (Even if this means that they will be recorded as absent from the prayer, at least they will be able to enter and pray properly in the minyan.)
Is there a halakhic permit for a supervisor to prevent entry to prayer? (If applicable, the only one in the area)
Blessings on the reading.
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Good luck. That's what I thought, I presented an argument I heard from one of the guys.
I'll ask your personal opinion regarding the educational benefit of this policy, and I'll add an important detail, which is that a guy who misses 2 prayers a week – goes home until the commitment to be on time for prayers is settled with the supervisor.
I mean, you come in 2 minutes late, you go out, did you do it a second time that week? You go home for a period of several days. (missing school, etc.). And there are no exceptions at all, meaning that even a guy who usually comes, there are no considerations.
Do you think this is a correct educational move?
(I'm not writing because it bothers me personally, I like to be punctual. But in reality, many guys are harmed by this rule, because it's human and legitimate to be late by 1/2 minute)
Good luck on time, your answers help me focus on halakhic and healthy logic.
It seems a bit square, but it makes sense to set strict rules otherwise it is difficult to enforce and arguments arise.
On the 17th of Kislev, 15th of December
In the 1920s, the Rabbinical Seminary in Budapest used a different method for being late for prayer. The young men would receive a card at prayer that entitled them to breakfast. The cards were distributed during the recitation of the verses of Zimra, so that those who were late did not miss a prayer in the minyan, but they did miss breakfast!
With greetings, Fishel Bar-Shadow
The breakfast method was introduced at my yeshiva and I thought it was a shocking method, for many reasons.
PS
If it were 100% effective it would probably be less shocking. But in practice many young men waited for a lunch that sometimes turned out to be incredibly poor.
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