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The evidence from the planning

שו”תCategory: faithThe evidence from the planning
asked 1 year ago

I’ll just say that I bought the Rabbi’s trilogy and really, really enjoyed reading it.
Thank you very much, Rabbi, for the important things you raise.
 
A question I didn’t understand – according to the evidence from design, logic tells us that every complex thing has a reason, and the reason is God.
So what is the reason for God?
I understand that this can create an infinite regression, but what prevents us from stopping the chain not with God but with man and saying that he is the one whose existence cannot be explained even though he is complex?


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מיכי Staff answered 2 months ago
I explained it there. Because the human or ordinary beings that are familiar to us are not their own cause. The argument proves that there must be an entity that is not a derivative of the entities that are familiar to us that is its own cause (i.e., does not require a cause outside of itself to exist).

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אריאל בר תקוה replied 1 year ago

Does this actually mean that the physico-theological view is built on the cosmological view?
If so, what is the value of the physico-theological view? All that needs to be clarified is whether the cosmological view is correct or not, and according to this, to know whether there is a God
Or we can actually say that the physico-theological view proves that if there is indeed a creator, he is also intelligent, and does not prove at all that there is indeed a creator

אבי replied 1 year ago

Why is it built on the cosmological view? The physico-theological view is that in the physical system known to us, complex things require an external designer, and do not design themselves. The cosmological view is that in the system known to us, everything that exists (regardless of its complexity) requires an external creator and does not create itself.

אריאל בר תקוה replied 1 year ago

I probably didn't phrase it properly. If the reason we don't apply the statement "every complex thing has a designer" to God himself is the fact that he is his own cause, unlike other things that have a cause, then we assume that he is his own cause, unlike other things that are not their own causes. But this issue stems from the cosmological argument. The moment I disagree with the cosmological argument, I will come to the conclusion that God himself also needs an explanation for why he is complex, or alternatively - I won't need a reason for why the singular point is complex. Hope that helped.

אבי replied 1 year ago

You seem to be confusing the arguments themselves (which are two different arguments) with the answer to the question about them (which is one answer). The arguments themselves differ in that one proves existence and the other complexity. There is a question about both arguments as to why the arguments are not valid for God, and to this question there is one answer that is valid for both arguments – and that is that the arguments are valid only within the system known to us and not outside of it.

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