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asked 3 months ago

Let’s assume that it was possible to establish a sovereign Jewish state in Uganda, and let’s assume that in Uganda we would enjoy peaceful borders and a reality free from wars and terrorist incidents. In such a hypothetical case, would it be better to establish the Jewish state in Uganda rather than in the Land of Israel, given the consideration that the value of the sanctity of life outweighs the value of settling the land?


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מיכי Staff answered 3 months ago
Since the founders of the state and most of its residents are not religious and are not committed to Halacha, it is clear that for them it is better in Uganda. For a Jew who is committed to Halacha, there is a commandment to conquer and settle the Land of Israel, which naturally comes in blood (as the Manach wrote).

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בניעכולו replied 3 months ago

If the whole goal is just a safe haven for the Jewish people, then the other proposals are better
Not sure at the time of the proposals, they assumed that blood would be shed here, we would be killed and killed for more than 💯 years
And we would not be able to reach peace with the environment.

Only in Israel, out of all the world, have there been more than 650 days of kidnapping and torture
Only in Israel has Israeli blood been shed on a level that no collection of Jews in recent decades has known.

By the way, there were about 10 different proposals throughout the decades before the establishment of the state, Uganda is 1 of them, it simply came up for a vote in the national institutions.

When it comes to the religious, it is of course not as black and white as Rabbi Michi points out

The rabbis voted with Herzl in favor of Uganda at the Zionist Congress. The secularists, who are the absolute majority, voted against it, and unfortunately the proposal fell

Keeping in mind that the main purpose of establishing Zionism was a startup to save the Jews and its goal was to prevent the Holocaust, this goal failed. The state was established 10 years late for the Jewish people, a third of whom were destroyed.
After the Holocaust, they continued to want and demand a state despite and perhaps because of the failure, and they got it.

It is not certain that we were commanded to conquer and inherit, which costs endless blood and for generations.
While in the Diaspora, people sit quietly and complacent compared to the blood that was spilled here.
It is not certain that we are commanded to conquer the Land of Israel at this time.
It is not certain that gathering Jews here, even from countries that sat quietly and complacent, was a successful idea.
(Some saw it as a ‘kibbutz Postcards)
It is not certain that after the messianic corruption and the coup d'état in a while the entire Zionist enterprise will not be eliminated and we will mourn the martyrs of my people…
And it seems that those who remained in the Jewish diaspora saved themselves and their families are preserving the honest and focused Jew in them

So the religious issue in the matter is not a sharp one.

י.ד. replied 3 months ago

Zionism sees itself as a continuation of the historical people of Israel (and this is in contrast to, for example, the Bund), and therefore the goal was the Land of Israel for everyone, religious and secular alike. The Uganda Plan was more of a declaration of intent for the seriousness of Zionism on the one hand and a way to create a path to decision-makers in the British Empire, which later came to its own with the Balfour Declaration.
The Zionist perception of itself as a continuation of the historical people of Israel is also expressed in the acceptance of the Chief Rabbinate as responsible for the ongoing aspects of Jewish identity (personal status, etc.).

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