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What does the rabbi think about this claim as evidence of providence through Torah study?

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asked 5 years ago


A claim made by Rabbi Pindaros in the Knesset yesterday.


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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago
Please raise the claim if you want to discuss it.

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המזכיר replied 5 years ago

I wonder if the rabbi doesn't have time to watch a 12-hour video, how he'll have time to read the claim after it's uploaded.

אסף replied 5 years ago

6:44:15

“The day the yeshivas started, the morbidity started to drop dramatically, they went on Hanukkah vacation - the morbidity started to rise”

כוייפער ל"ע replied 5 years ago

Question: Why didn't the Torah help at first?

On the 1st of Tevet 5721

It does not seem that the right of the yeshivahs led to elections, since from the side of Torah study it would have been better if all the tens of thousands of yeshiva students had been drafted at once, and then the entire army would have turned into a giant yeshiva, and once again the secular, traditional, and religious would have no excuse or justification to evade their duty to engage in Torah day and night.

The reason why the country has been paralyzed for two years is that God does not want public figures to fail in the serious offense of ‘breach of trust’.

Indeed, after legal experts renewed the idea that a public figure's decision made in order to receive ‘sympathetic coverage’ – Prohibited because it is given in a ’conflict of interest’ – We must say that no public figure is allowed to make any decision, because every decision he makes will earn him sympathetic coverage from one side and sharp criticism from the other side, and in simple words: ‘tainted with a criminal conflict of interest’

So that public figures, God forbid, would not fail in the criminal offense of ‘making decisions for the sake of sympathetic coverage’ – God arranged elections every few months so that the government would be paralyzed and would not fail in any decision that might, God willing, bring it ‘s sympathetic coverage’ Rachel.

With greetings, Simcha Fish’l Plankton, Data and Mishpata commentator

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

I really don't think this nonsense needs to be addressed.

On the 1st of Tevet 5771

There is no need to ‘prove’ the care of the ’ over His people. The miraculous existence of the ‘sheep’ among the wolves seeking prey for thousands of years – is enough to confirm the fulfillment of the Creator's promise through His prophets ‘that the ’will not forsake His people, nor forsake His inheritance’.

However, the connection between studies and a decrease in morbidity is clear and natural. When students are in an educational setting, they can be supervised and careful to ventilate, wear masks, and maintain distance. In contrast, when students are sent home – After all, it is impossible to prevent increased infection in crowded homes, or while they wander the streets without any supervision.

Best regards, Yaron Fishel Corinaldi

קובי replied 5 years ago

And what if the increase in morbidity in March occurred even though the yeshivas and kollels were operating?

To Kobi – Shalom Rav,

In Adar, the entire economy and the education system operated without restrictions. After Purim, restrictions began to be imposed. The economy operated with restrictions, and only the education system was decided to be taken on vacation a week before the Passover holiday.

Rabbi Kanievsky opposed this, clearly explaining that studying Torah is no less important than businesses that are open while maintaining restrictions, but the state forced the yeshivot to close, and within a short time they imposed a general lockdown on the economy and everything was under lockdown.

In Iyar, they began to open the economy with restrictions, and then they also opened the yeshivot under the “capsule” scheme, which was also done in the army. A scheme that included separation into small groups, severe restrictions on student outings, and corona tests at the beginning and end of the term for all students, which was not done in any sector.

The second wave began in September, and was caused by the "Great Holiday" and the "between times" of July and August. In yeshivahs, the great Elul Boor period of yeshivahs passed almost completely successfully. In a small minority of about 10% of yeshivahs that apparently did not properly observe distancing, students were forced to go to "corona hotels" instead of home.

This proved that strict distancing in educational institutions was effective and applicable, and therefore, Rabbi Kanievsky and Rabbi Edelstein insisted that educational institutions and yeshivahs would open according to an outline that was agreed upon with the Ministry of Health, and only for political reasons was not approved by the government.

The insistence of the Torah scholars led to the acceleration of the opening of all educational institutions, religious and secular, as demanded by Education Minister Yoav Galant. And look, it's a wonder, the horror scenarios of the ’experts’ did not happen. Common sense says that it is easier to maintain health requirements in an educational setting than in a no-man's land where children roam without any possibility of supervision or control.

With greetings, Yaron Fish”l Ordner

What should have been done with the opening of the economy and the education system is to double the number of buses on public transportation so that each bus would not have passengers crammed like sardines, and in any case more susceptible to infection.

, but it is difficult to blame the policy makers for this, who apparently have not traveled on public transportation in thirty or forty years. And as a regular passenger on public transportation – I am not allowed to give a dunam to a slave until I have reached their place and I have neither a private car nor a private vehicle 🙂

Best regards, Yosef Zvi Bidani Levi-Trumpetist

תיקון replied 5 years ago

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… By the great majority of the yeshivas…

דורון replied 5 years ago

Maybe we can open a meeting in Umm al-Fahm for public health? I heard that the incidence of illness there is on the rise.

מקל וחומר (לדורון) replied 5 years ago

To Doron – Greetings,

If in Bnei Brak, whose population density is more than 27,000 people per square kilometer (!) they managed to reduce the incidence – how much more can this be done in Umm al-Fahm, whose population density is ten times lower…

The blueprint for success is strict ventilation, small groups, wearing masks, and maintaining distance between people. The call of the religious leaders in Umm al-Fahm to their community to strictly adhere to these conditions (as the rabbis of Bnei Brak instructed their community members) can certainly help.

And as I mentioned, it is also important that the government double the number of buses in public transportation, so that people are not squeezed into the bus like sardines

With the blessing of ‘Shizba and medicine .. and spacing and rescue’, Shams Razel, Qubat a-Najma.

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If in Bnei Brak, whose population density is about 28,000 people per square kilometer,

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… In Umm al-Fahm, whose population density is thirteen times lower,…

The Haredim had higher rates of infection than the general population, which is expected from the high density, but even during this period the rate of serious illness and death was lower than in the general population.

The experts who tried to explain this suggest that because the percentage of children in Haredi society is high, more Haredim received the virus in its weakened form, and their mild infection created a partial ‘herd immunity’ effect. See Rabbi Zamir Cohen‘s video ‘On Haredim and Corona’ Part B’ on the ‘Yiddrav’ website.

The situation in Arab society, which also has a high percentage of children, is similar, and yet ‘herd immunity’ has not been created; and the percentage of both mild and serious illnesses is higher than in the general population – Refutes the experts' claim that a high percentage of children causes "herd immunity."

Therefore, it must be said that the lack of severe illness among the Haredi and the drastic decrease in their morbidity in general in recent times stem from the relatively excessive adherence to health guidelines (which stemmed from both rabbinical guidelines and increased police enforcement), and this, together with the natural immunity that children increase, have together led to an improvement in the situation. And as I mentioned above, the presence of students in a supervised educational setting is also preferable from a health perspective.

Another factor that causes a drastic reduction in severe illness among the Haredi is the treatment provided to moderately ill patients by doctors at home, which prevents hospitalization in the overcrowded coronavirus wards in hospitals. Treatment that does not remove the patient from the family and community is more effective.

The advantage of the Haredim and their Torah-based leadership is in the combination of a serious attitude towards health experts combined with the ability to use critical thinking that is also capable of seeking solutions “outside the box”.

Best regards, Simcha Fishel Plankton

תיקון replied 5 years ago

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…Both from the rabbinical guidelines and…

ושוב מגמת עליה? replied 5 years ago

In the meantime, Prof. Segal from the Weizmann Institute reports that infection rates in the Haredi community have begun to rise significantly again. He writes that the reason for this needs to be examined, whether it is due to behavioral changes, or perhaps during the days of Hanukkah, or perhaps it is a new mutation for which the partial immunity achieved is not useful? (See the article “Doubling Rate in the Haredi Community: Peak”).

According to him, there could be two reasons for the resurgence of infections:

A. The influx to Dubai as a place for tourism and even for weddings. And the United Arab Emirates, as we know, live in peace with the coronavirus 🙂

B. The abolition of the limit on passenger density on buses. Instead of doubling the number of buses, they decided to lift the restrictions on bus crowding, and when passengers are packed in like sardines, is it any wonder that infections are increasing?

Best regards, Yosef Zvi Bidani Levi-Trumpetist

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