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Talmud Torah or Ma’mad

שו”תCategory: generalTalmud Torah or Ma’mad
asked 6 years ago

What is the Rabbi’s opinion on sending elementary-age children to “Talmud Torah”? We liked the ministry, but they learn little secular studies (math at a reasonable level, English can be supplemented externally).
Does this create a significant lag and close off possibilities for the child’s future, or is the knowledge and skills acquired in secular studies at this age not really as critical as the core standards claim, and if there is a will to hold on, can a bridge be bridged?
Of course, it depends on the child, the specific situation, a place where the child will be cared for and not pressured, etc. But I ask the Rabbi’s opinion regarding the weight of this consideration (it seems to me that on the one hand the Rabbi is an open man who values ​​wisdom, and on the other hand his upbringing is more closed than his upbringing).


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
I don’t have a general answer. Most children will lack this later on. Also for technical reasons, at an older age it is difficult to devote time to completing it. On the other hand, most of the time in school is wasted. The main problem with Haredi education, in my opinion, is not that it does not give a core, but that it provides a crooked education.

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שי זילברשטיין replied 6 years ago

As a follow-up to Yitzhak's question:
Do you think there is a preference for one of the two types of education, the HaMed or the Haredi?
I will explain my hesitation:
It is customary to say (at least in the education system in which I grew up) that life should be dedicated to studying Torah as much as possible and that profession should occupy a less important place in life. According to this, it is requested that children be sent to study in Talmud Torah and not in the HaMed, because in the HaMed, studies are directed towards a profession and in Talmud Torah to engage in Torah study.
What is your opinion on this matter?

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

It's hard for me to say that there is no general answer.
As for your formulation, I think it's not necessary to identify between the nature of the education path and the general value system. Even if the Torah is supposed to be primary and occupy the center of life (which is not true for most people), that doesn't mean that education should look like that either. Maybe in education, tools should be given in a different dosage because this is the stage in life when you do this. Then you can dedicate most of your life to Torah if you want. Furthermore, since most people don't believe that the Torah should occupy most of their lives, the education given to everyone (because they don't yet know who is suitable for what) shouldn't look like that.
This is only with regard to the consideration you raised. I actually tend to think that there is logic in focusing on Torah at these ages because most of the rest is a waste of time. But I would give up on the Haredi package deal (which includes, in addition to focusing on Torah, also approaches and views and the negation of everything else, and also the totality of the Holy without English, etc.).

שי זילברשטיין replied 6 years ago

Rabbi Michi,
Something is not clear to me. In your opinion, should a person who is not attracted to Torah study but is attracted to academic studies, force himself to study Torah at the expense of academic studies or follow his heart's inclination and invest in secular studies? I hear important rabbis say that studying Torah is the most important ethical action, which means that one should invest one's life in it and not in other subjects.

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

As a rule of thumb, I am in favor of a person focusing on what their heart inclines to, certainly when it comes to something valuable. Even if studying Torah is the most important, that does not mean that every person must focus on it. Just as not all people have to be doctors. It is permissible to be a salesperson in a store or a researcher of Chinese culture. And just as not all the budget has to go to hospitals. It is permissible to transfer a budget to culture and sports. In addition to their main occupation, everyone should study as much as possible, but the main part of a person's life should be dedicated to what their heart inclines to and not necessarily the most important thing. In the capitalist view (to which I lean), when they do this, the world will look its best (the invisible hand).
From another angle: My argument is that the task of improving the world falls on society and not on the individual person. The benefit of the world as a whole will occur best if everyone does what is right for them and suits them (again, capitalism).
In general, a person who forces himself to focus on studying when he wants to and is inclined to something else will usually not study properly and then he ends up bald from here and there. Neither excels in studying nor does he engage in what he wants nor contributes to the world in the field for which he is inclined and talented. A person can force himself to do important things part-time, but not his whole life or the main part of his life. This is not true on a practical level and perhaps not even on a principled level.

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