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Refining a previously asked question

שו”תCategory: Torah and ScienceRefining a previously asked question
asked 6 years ago

Your Honor, Shalom Rabbi
I previously asked you a question while reading the book The Science of Freedom – regarding the “choice made from heaven” in one of the interludes in the book.
Now I came across the opening of a book.
Which really sharpens my question and my problem with the assumption that the choice has already been made from heaven:
…since we can only perceive an action after it has already occurred (libet) …. I can understand that I don’t know what thought will occur next – but that that has already happened is beyond comprehension. Thank you as I am in a lot of despair.
I’ve never identified with a text like this.
The book intends to answer and shed light on this question – although – due to the fact that I have no information about the author, who he is, what his approaches (and qualities) are – I would like to avoid as much as possible entering the lines of his book without a certain calibration of my philosophical inclination…. It seems that you are the address…
Best regards,
Yael, congratulations 🙂


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מיכי Staff answered 6 years ago
Congratulations. If you identify, you probably understand too. Because I didn’t understand and therefore I don’t know whether I identify or not. Honestly, I also don’t understand why you need to calibrate before reading a book. Read and whatever convinces you – try it. Whatever doesn’t – don’t. But if you want calibrations from me, I suggest you ask a specific question. In short, what is required of me in this whole thing? 🙂

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יעל ברוכים replied 6 years ago

This is simply another version of the question of “How does the fact that everything is known from heaven fit in with free will?”
The girl describes her understanding of Libet's findings – that an electrical action has already taken place in the brain before the motor action as follows: “I can understand/accept that I don't know what my next thought will be – Of course, the fact that it has already happened/predetermined – I simply can't grasp that”
That's exactly my question… How do you reconcile this contradiction
Of course – This is a very philosophical question and perhaps – according to you – she cried non-specifically… But in any case… It doesn't hurt to ask

(Pushed, sorry.
Calibrations are probably a synonym for the ’vaccination’ recommended here: https://tinyurl.com/yatdtruj

“I just suggest that you watch the lecture I sent you, and try to examine my words when you read these essays. It is a recommended vaccination that gives you directions for checking what you are reading”.)

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

Yael,
I don't understand this strange and convoluted formulation. If you mean the banal question about knowledge and choice, what's the point of all these convolutions? It's been discussed to the point of exhaustion and I don't see what needs to be added about it. And I also don't understand what it has to do with Libet. If you want to hear my opinion on this question, listen to the Free Choice3 lesson I gave just this morning. A Zoom recording of it will be uploaded to the website shortly. There I explain it in detail.

And let's be honest,
When there is a special need, there is value in getting a vaccine. But if someone sees a book that they find interesting, there is no reason to insist on getting a vaccine before reading it. Let them read it and then we can discuss it.

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