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What is the difference between Dalit yeshiva and Haredi yeshiva?

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asked 5 years ago

Peace and blessings,
What is the difference between Dalit yeshivot and Haredi yeshivot? Why is violence the exclusive domain of Haredi yeshivot?
https://www.kikar.co.il/364560.html
Kind regards, Benjamin

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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago

There are several reasons for this. A. Because it is more important to them. B. Because they do not turn to external law enforcement institutions and therefore have to solve everything themselves. C. Because they have no other occupations.

אלחנן replied 5 years ago

Rabbi Michi,
Sorry, but this is a bad and stupid post that should be deleted immediately.
Shallow and lowers the level of the forum.

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

Elchanan, perhaps instead of commenting to Rabbi Michi, you could offer an alternative answer that is “deep” and not “shallow”?

רציונלי(יחסית) replied 5 years ago

The Haredim as a society have a very fascistic way of thinking. Every small step that threatens their ideology is a sign of destruction. A cause for war and ostracism. Whether it's a ruling that allows conscription, even if it's only for people who have graduated. Whether it's opening a yeshiva that offers young people to complete their matriculation exams, then the rabbis are spiritual murderers of future generations, or whether it's a quote from a random graduation by Wiesel Mendelssohn or one of those companies that happens to be in a book by one of the greatest of our generations.
I'm not saying, of course, that everyone went out to kill because of these things or were violent. But this thinking does characterize large and pious parts of this society. Especially the Torah elites.
Therefore, it is easier for them to deteriorate into a state of physical violent anarchy right in yeshivahs from time to time. Even though it is obscene. I think so. Even according to the Haredim themselves. And it is not surprising that there is a Posk or a Rabbi there who is the mainstream and will allow violence in yeshivahs or violence in general.
As it seems to me that other streams also have the same way of thinking. Like Har Mor. Or Yeshiva Torat Chaim of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg. Where also every step that deviates from the plan to bring about redemption triggers endless hysteria (Yuval Sherlow is a wicked evil man who seeks to blur the differences between the sexes because he allowed shaking hands with a woman. The introduction of children's books of the secular world like the Pajama Library for Children is a plot by Christians and Reformers and here it is And so on). With Ginzburg. For example. Redemption is measured in very specific steps and according to a precise plan that is detailed in parts. And it is likely that if one of his devout students sees in a generation or two voices that slightly interfere with that plan. Violence will begin to break out.

So this is not something Benjamin might want to think that can only happen to the ultra-Orthodox or even not only to the religious. Even with secular or anti-religious ideologies you can see a very firm call for violence. Against the ultra-Orthodox who should be locked up in their own cities and their freedom of movement restricted. Against settlers who are little Hitlerites who will bring us a second Holocaust.
And so on and so forth. Believe me, among these intellectuals whose words I am quoting, there was a significant and large audience of Hasidic Jews. Violence would undoubtedly arise from this side here.

רציונלי(יחסית) replied 5 years ago

Forgiveness and correction
Not that they will bring a second Holocaust upon us, but that they will cause a Holocaust here in the land

In S”d 3’ Sivan 57721;p

The sad story of Ponivez’ stems from an unusual situation where two yeshivahs occupy one building, and constant friction is inevitable. In other places, they simply split up. And each one comes to his place in peace.

With best wishes, Shࢭt

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

Apparently there is no retained name, and therefore it is present as a single male.

On the 3rd of Sivan 5771

Ramdat – Shalom Rav,

The problem is that both sides are held, but perhaps it is because this is a different perception that doubt was born 🙂

However, I will mention here the question of ‘on the pure path’ by Harosh Goren in his opening to a general lesson on Tractate Baba Batra, which he delivered at the Merkaz Ha-Rav yeshiva in the winter of 5771.

Rabbi Goren said: From the scriptures I know that the best thing is to be ‘held’. But from the moral books I have learned that the worst quality is anger.

And I do not understand. What is your soul. If you are ‘held’ – You win even without getting angry; and if you are not ‘held’ – then it will not benefit you to be angry. If so – angry for what?

And you need to study to settle down 🙂

With blessings, Sh”t

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

“Held” with a knife!!!
https://mobile.kikar.co.il/article/364753

ישיבע זוכער replied 5 years ago

There's something to fight about about an ultra-Orthodox yeshiva.

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