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Is there a built-in connection between Haredi and Magolmanism?

שו”תCategory: generalIs there a built-in connection between Haredi and Magolmanism?
asked 5 years ago

Hello and good evening,
Every now and then the question arises as to why and how hatred is directed towards Haredi women. After much thought, it occurred to me that Haredi women should be linked to megalomania. Below is a quote from Wikipedia, the entry “Glory Madness”:
“Megalomania (from Greek : Μεγαλομανία) is a symptom or abnormal behavior characterized by delusions of superiority and great power that a person has. In this state, the person attributes to himself divine and leadership qualities, omnipotence , or genius in some field (e.g. military power, political power , economic (extreme wealth ), cognitive , artistic or mystical skills), which do not exist in him.
“Glory can manifest itself in behaviors of various types and degrees of severity, ranging from an overly controlling person who believes that he shapes his environment and the personalities of those around him according to his will, to extreme cases of hallucinations and delusions, as a result of which the person may suffer outbursts of physical or verbal violence .”
It seems that any intelligent person would immediately associate the definition of megalomania with Harediism, as it is a perfect description of the shortcomings of Haredi society in its many different components.
If such a built-in connection does exist, it is possible that Haredi society will be able to heal the hatred towards it by recognizing its true self-worth, that is, not the human race but the Zivorite, a society that will not attract arrows of hatred towards it. Perhaps experience will prove my point, for example: a certain society in our country is known and famous as a society that spreads “arassim” and at the same time no one hates it even if they find it necessary to criticize it for its mummy loot.
Does the rabbi agree that there is a built-in connection between Haredi and Magolmanism? If so, is the solution I proposed to hatred plausible and applicable?
Kind regards, Benjamin

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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago

I agree to a certain extent, but even such mental syndromes have their dosages and clinical manifestations. Not every such abnormality can be defined as madness or mental illness. Sometimes it is a mistake. And sometimes it is even the truth (that I am the smartest/greatest, etc.).

בנימין גורלין replied 5 years ago

“And sometimes this is even the truth” – Even if this is the truth, the mentally balanced person will not hesitate to attribute this trait to himself. He will certainly think so, but he will not reveal his thoughts to the surrounding society, if only for the simple reason that he does not want to be considered a fool.

א. replied 5 years ago

When I talk to Haredim, they tell me you're not dirt at the feet of so-and-so, not dirt at the feet of an unknown. Dirt, dirt, dirt. What do they have from dirt? When I talked to one Breslav, he actually made a gesture with his fingers at me, "You're not like that from Rabbi Nachman." I didn't see, I already thought he was talking to me in terms of cells and atoms.

ט replied 5 years ago

A., yes, there is a valid point (in my opinion) that it is more appropriate to criticize individuals in their strong positions or in the areas in which they operated and had influence, and not to be caught up in wing statements or marginalized parties.

Benjamin Gorlin coined an expression here that I had difficulty understanding: “megulomania,” until I realized that “megulo” is from the phrase “end of revelation.”

According to this, it is understood that it is precisely the national religious who have “megulomania” in their belief that our era, in which the mountains of Israel are giving their branches and fruits “towards the people of Israel because they are about to come,” is in the nature of “the end of revelation.”

The position of Haredim who do not see the “end of revelation and the shining light of salvation” of our era is more appropriately defined as “megulophobia.” 🙂

Regards, Sh”t Luingolo

יהושע בנג'ו replied 5 years ago

Surely the srogim have their own megalomania: “We are the best” “We are found in all the avenues of society” “The bridge!” “Only we have the perfect Torah that redeems with its purity”. “We are the people with the highest conscience and morality”

שולייתא replied 5 years ago

Indeed. But among the Srogim, the madness of grandeur is also intertwined with an inferiority complex.

יהושע בנג'ו replied 5 years ago

An inferiority complex is the other side of the coin. For example, much of it has to do with the fact that this is a society founded on an ideological basis without a true tradition (the invention of the Merkaz HaRav Torah, the unified siddur of Rabbi Goren, the Rinat Yisrael siddur). When you have no peace in life and personality - even the collective one - is built from the outside in, that is, on ideas that must be upheld and to which one must aspire, society will always examine itself by how it is received in the world.
Unfortunately, the true rabbi to the extreme, the same thing happened to the Torah Sephardim, Rabbi Ovadia was so human and lived the needs of man as a man, before he burdened himself with teachings and theories. And here his students have become a carbon copy of the ultra-Orthodox Lithuanian public, with all the stories he tells himself through the glasses of the Chazon Ish, Rabbi Schach. Really sucks.
Where is our Rabbi Uziel? Where is our Rabbi Nissim? Where is our Rabbi Chaim David Halevi?…. “The world” loves brands.

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

And the Haredim also suffer greatly from it, even if they don't admit it. There is a difference between the feeling and the declarations, both among the Srogim and the Haredim.

In the month of Elul 5771

In short, we are the best and most genuine ‘authentic Sephardim’. We have nothing against us. We are better than everyone, from the Haredip, from the Markazniks, from the students of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, etc., etc. There is no one like us in the world, and most of all, with humility, we put both Rabbi and Rabbi Yosef in our small pocket 🙂

With blessings, Shimshon Zvi Halevi, graduate of the HaMammad School named after Rabbi Uziel and librarian ‘Yid Rabbi Nissim’

And on the path of seriousness: everyone thinks their path is the best, even the agnostics… 🙂

ט replied 5 years ago

Hey Shatzel, are you the librarian of Yad Rav Nissim? We exchanged a few words here in all kinds of ways and I didn't know. Can I send you an email? [As a matter of fact, everyone certainly thinks their path is the best, and most would have gone another way if it weren't for constraints that are usually not absolute. But there is a difference between opinion and results]

עמנואל replied 5 years ago

What's the problem with the Rinat Yisrael siddur? That it's written in a normal font? Instead of the shocking and confusing font (huge letters next to tiny ones) of a spoken prayer? Is this a tradition for you? Misery and ugliness? On such a day, one should recite the blessing in the morning, "Don't make me an ultra-Orthodox."

הקלקת ומצאת (לט') replied 5 years ago

On the 2nd of Elul 5771

Lt. – Hello,

You can find my email on the website of the Law, by clicking on ‘Tsefhon Lewingisto’ 🙂

With greetings, Shimshon Zwiblinger, the knight of onions and garlic

יהושע בנג'ו replied 5 years ago

And the gaon librarian will answer everyone here: When was the expression “the redeeming Torah” invented? Since when has it been used to describe a public spiritual phenomenon? Who uses it? Is it understood and has an agreed-upon meaning by most Torah scholars? Is it authentic?

I mourned the fact that Sephardicism 50 years ago looked different, including during a period when there were “ultra-Sefardi” like Rabbi Motzfi and Chacham Ben Zion Abba Shaul. Zia.

In the same way, I could mourn the disappearance of the authentic and sweet lifestyle of Chalmer like Rasheed Auerbach. I tend to believe that there were thousands like him (in quantity, not necessarily quality). And what can we do, the ultra-Orthodox today are indeed not authentic.

The Rinat Yisrael siddur erased many traditions (Ashkenazi and Sephardic). It ridiculously synthesized a Jewish world that tried to create and was officially buried with the late Mesopotamian.

May you rejoice in your arrogant Shekenazi shirking that thinks it is the complete path to redemption that unites all the tribes of Israel! Rejoice “here and now” because soon there will not be three people left with the depth of the Ditlosh and the number of Mazoruchniks who know how to read from the Rashi.

May you weep in sorrow

מאנה replied 5 years ago

The group that is interested in thoughts about the complete path to redemption that unites all the tribes of Israel (= the center of Mount Moriah and their daughters) actually knows how to read the Maharsha beautifully.

On the 1st of Elul 5771

To Yehoshua, Shalom Rabbi,

The “Torah of Salvation” is a definition given by Rabbi Kook to the teachings of his father, Rabbi Kook, in an article published in 5771 on the 30th anniversary of the passing of the Rabbi. This is what I saw in Rabbi Yochanan Fried’s article, which I came across by typing “Torah of Salvation” into Google. There is also “Torah of Salvation” Street in Beersheba 🙂

I hope to find the article in the coming days, and I will provide some excerpts from it below.

With greetings, Sh”t

The situation of Sephardic Judaism has actually improved greatly in the last 50 years, and it has undergone and is undergoing a tremendous Torah flourishing, from all directions and in all circles. Prominent yeshivot heads and Torah leaders from the Eastern communities are also found in national religious circles – for example, Rabbis Sabatu, Rabbi Sharki and Rabbi Gigi (Rosh Yeshiva Har Etzion) and Rabbi Eliyahu Zini (Rosh Yeshiva Or Yishua) and other rabbis; also in Hasidic circles, such as Breslav and Chabad, and of course in the Sephardic Torah world – The students of the Graha Yosef, the Graha Betz Abba Shaul, the Graha Eliyahu, the Graha Mashash and the Graha Kapach, zach, and the Bracha Graha Mazuz Shalit. And they all have students and students of students in the hundreds of thousands.

Today I was at the Sephardic Library in Jerusalem to bring them our books that they ordered from the Yad Rav Nissim Publishing House, and the place is full of hundreds of books on all Torah subjects, by the Torah institutes of the Sephardic and the Eastern and North African committees, and we are talking about hundreds of thousands of books that are published every morning. In Halacha, legend, Bible, Talmud and Kabbalah, the language of prayer and history, books by the sages of the East in past generations and books by the sages of our generation. Blessed is the eye that has seen all these. If one were to cry, it would be tears of joy 🙂

In the year 2017, Rabbi Yitzchak Nissim describes the uniqueness of Rabbi Kook, in his words on the twentieth anniversary of his passing (Jalul Elul 5756. ‘Lador ve Dorot – Ma'arim ve Naumim’, pp. 34-35):

He was unique in his qualities and virtues, not only questions of religion and law, not only public and legal matters, came to him and he gave his share in them. Every question and every difficult problem that arose – was brought before him, and he, with his breadth of understanding, with the power of the great inspiration that accompanied him – knew how to solve every question, and there was no problem that remained unsolved. They came to him from the East and the West, Torah and mitzvah keepers and non-observers. All recognized his authority and greatness and saw the light.

If in questions of temporal life, how much more so in questions of halakhah and eternal life. He had a special perception of the Torah, the mitzvot, and the building of the light, which he expressed in his speeches and numerous articles, and did a wonderful job of doing in his halakhic books and in his responsa that he answered to all parts of the country and the diaspora.

He is especially distinguished from the other rabbis of his generation in this, that in his books and speeches we hear the echo of the revival of the people of Israel, the renewal of the bond and covenant between the people and their land, which will be followed by the making of the covenant between Israel as a whole and the Torah, and then there will be complete redemption, in which the Lord will return His Shekhinah to Zion.

***

Here we can see two connections that are three that are required to complete the redemption: the connection of the people to their land and the connection of ‘Israel as a whole’, in all its streams and varieties, to the Torah. Rabbi Kook strives to carry out the three connections, and therefore he is attentive and open to all parts of the people, in order to renew the covenant of the people as a whole with the Torah, and from this he seeks and finds solutions to all questions and problems. This is the ‘redeeming Torah’ on one foot, and on the other hand, a complete failure.

With blessings, Sh”t

מאנה replied 5 years ago

Now Rabbi Nissim has also become a man of words? When the dayanim riff on his books, call me. He chewed over what was said before him (even if he was right) and added nothing except to add his name. Even those who do not appreciate Rabbi Kook appreciate him more than Rabbi Nissim.

I have not yet found the article from 1985 to which Rabbi Yochanan Fried referred. Perhaps it is in volume 2 of Lantivot Yisrael.

The expression "the redeeming Torah" in relation to Rabbi Kook's teachings, I found in Rabbi Kook's article "Love for Torah, Faith and Love for Israel", published in the April 2007 issue of "Alonim", the publication of the "Ezra" movement. (= Lentivot Yisrael, pp. 212-215)

The speaker was asked by the editorial board: ‘What are the ways – besides the political path – in which religious Judaism must learn in order to be able to approach the achievement of its Torah goals in the state?’

And the rabbi outlines the path. First of all, the study of faith and its establishment, ‘as the certainty of faith penetrates, inasmuch as He chose us from all nations and gave us His Torah, as in the individual, so in the community – the goal of Torah life and Torah policy will be achieved–

Beyond a thorough study of the faith, in the light of the Kuzari, the Ramachal, the Maharal, and the lights of the Sliacha Drachmana in the appearance of the redeeming Torah, Rabbi Zechariah said, “There is a need for the multiplication of Torah in its completeness and purity to all its fullness and sides and its stages, from the thoroughness of their education to their growth in the yeshiva and their ascension in the Torah higher and higher to become scholars of Torah, great and geniuses of Torah and fear, mighty in faith and saints, individuals who are the supreme inner whistle for the Israeli nation, who fill the content of its entire space and straighten the course of their world, from wise to safir and treasurer and mother of the deacon.” – He is the guide of our path to achieving our destiny and the mission of our generations in its truth’.

Following the establishment of faith and greatness in the Torah, there must come love for Israel ‘ in all its purity, love for all Israel in reality’, a free love that corrects the defect of free hatred ‘ which is the spoilage of social relations by expanding the excessive severity of differences of opinion and mutual accusations.’ When proper social relations are established, from a sense of mutual belonging ‘ mutual understanding is discovered, which enables and makes the commandment of proof successful… in its received influence and in its words heard’, and from this it is possible to bring the entire public closer to the Torah and faith.

In short, it can be said that the ’Torah of Salvation’ is a Torah that is full of faith and love, such a Torah can have an impact on improving the spiritual condition of the entire nation.

With blessings, Sh”t

יהושע בנג'ו replied 5 years ago

Listen, Sh”t (even if you read). Your innocent sweetness cannot be taken away. Wow, I would like you to educate my children until the eighth grade.

“The two thousand”.
I will tell you a secret, my sweet, charming bread, the wonderful grandfather of my children, the one with golden fingers who fixes everything for me at home, is called Rabbi Shlomo Aviner. I have been atoning for him for days and years. So I know the theories well. I also studied in the aforementioned yeshivahs. And look, it is a wonder, to my taste, “life in a movie”…

תיקונים replied 5 years ago

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