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Shaking dead on Saturday

שו”תCategory: Talmudic studyShaking dead on Saturday
asked 5 years ago

The first ones discuss whether it is permissible to shake it with a stick or a baby, or if it is already stinking, it is not even there yet.
My question is, according to the Rambam’s method (how the Bible put it together), even if it already stinks, it requires a loaf or a baby,
Why don’t we judge him as a graph of my enemies?
Maimonides explicitly wrote in chapter 26, the last halakha there, that it is forbidden to shake it, and if there is another place to go, they should leave the room, and Amai, because in the graph of the people of Amrinan Ifka.
Thank you very much, Rabbi.


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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago
I think that a grave of a relative is something that we should not have in the house, and it doesn’t matter to us where it is. But a dead person leaves the house also for the sake of the deceased and not just for the sake of his place. In short, a dead person is not a relative. (Remember that this is about King David, whose body certainly was not considered a relative.) Beyond that, the relative is placed inside the grave (which is a shaking from the side) and the deceased is shaken himself.

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אסף replied 5 years ago

Thank you very much, Rabbi.
As for the second claim, this is not accurate, because it is proven, as I believe, in Tractate Bitza, that a dead mouse was found in Rav Ashi's basement, and he ordered them to remove it from its tail.
As for the first claim, the Maimonides did not say this, but the dead person leaves the house to be called "delayed" and not to be called "lying down." This is also proven by the words of the B'i, who raised the controversy between the Maimonides and other Rishonim as to why the dead person comes out.

מיכי Staff replied 5 years ago

Even if he finds it unacceptable, the relationship with the dead is still not the same as our relationship with our neighbor. After all, we have a duty towards him (respect for the dead). Therefore, in my opinion, the removal is also done for him, or at least the manner of removal should be respectful because of the dead.
And with regard to the mouse, it is possible that removal from the tail is considered a change (and with regard to shaking from the side, the recent scholars discussed whether there is a ruling on a change).

אסף replied 5 years ago

Thank you very much, Rabbi.

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