Vulnerable populations
Hello Rabbi!
I notice that when the rabbi writes about weak/disadvantaged populations.
He also mentions the Mizrahi. What makes or defines a group as a weak group?
When you define this group as weak, does a child born into this group and seeing that there is a stigma attached to him for belonging to a weak group advance him or harm his self-image?
Is there a desire in human nature to feel that they belong to a strong group, and therefore it is important for them to define others as weak?
I don’t close my eyes and think that everyone is equal. But isn’t it right to narrow down the groups of the weak and define what makes them weak or what makes them weak in your eyes? .
What they themselves claim. Mizrahi is a very large population, but quite a few of them claim themselves that they have been weakened or that they are weak.
I've never done it before, but here it is now...
I'm inviting you to a column on the Mizrahi/Mizrahi people in Israel (discrimination, cultural gaps, discourse, and whatever you want).
I promise you a juicy and provocative column on the subject that will yield you a high “return”.
Doron, it seems to you that I choose topics and writing style based on ratings. You should go through my list of columns, examine their length and content, and re-examine your position on this subject. This time I was offended (not really).
Forgive me, although I'm not offended…
First of all, I simply have ready-made responses on the shelf on this subject, so I wanted to take advantage of you for the sake of not wasting them… Well, that's not really the case either.
But there is also a substantive and non-ratings side to the question I raised. For example, how authentic is the Mizrahi that is spoken in its name? What is its price and what is its “benefit”? It seems to me that this is a topic that could interest you.
There may be interesting aspects to the topic (although not very much). I was only commenting on your comment regarding the ‘yield’.
https://mikyab.net/posts/779
A weak population is a distorted concept that is used without understanding.
The scale in the social hierarchy is not strong-weak but dominant-dominated. Every person is somewhere on that scale in certain areas.
There are populations that statistically have a much higher percentage of dominated than dominant than others.
I will address your answer.
Quote: ”What they themselves claim” “Quite a few of them claim” arguments of a first-year student’ {I assume you didn't do a survey, check data, age ranges and other variables}. Too bad, you are a serious person who relates to data and you don't speak from feelings, hypotheses, or emotions.
The younger generation doesn't feel that way. Their parents will also claim that this is a thing of the past. And some will claim that it continues. 40% of Israeli children today are children of inter-ethnic marriages. How would you define them? Feel free to include this variable in a study that you haven't done yet.
“What they themselves claim” As you put it, it's mainly you and Dr. Avishai Ben Haim and a few other loud Mizrahi men that no one elected as their representatives.
In times when Israeli society is polarized, this part can be reduced to polarization.
You can write about a social periphery that includes people from all ethnicities and not generalize about a large group in Israeli society {about – 50%).
And maybe one more point, for some reason you didn't answer my question (perhaps you ignored it on purpose. You usually know how to answer ‘I don't know’} Is there a desire in human nature to feel that you are above another group in order to elevate yourself? {Maybe it's subconscious in you}. Go to the beauties of the standards and not to the divisive and arrogant opinions.
By the way, I asked my son if he feels weak or weakened. He didn't understand which side of the East I meant, the Middle East or Eastern Europe.
Noam,
The arrogant nonsense that fills your last message is the result of a common pseudo-academic fallacy. When a person makes a claim (especially if it is reasonable and reasonable), if you have nothing to answer him, the best advice is to bring him the exceptions and exceptions, point out that it is a generalization (which is of course true, like any social claim), and point out that not the entire group to which his claim refers felt this way. The mehadrin, bring an example of their son who does not know whether it is the Middle East, the Far East or the East of the Sun until he comes. Now I am really convinced.
But it is not worth ending there, since the punch is still missing. The best advice is to ask at the final stage: Did you do a survey? Then you can go home smug and good-natured. You won by knockout.
So you will probably be surprised, but my answer is yes. I did a survey. And while we are talking, did you? Oh, I forgot about your son. Your words are based on a scientific survey conducted on a representative sample of the population the size of one individual (=1). Or is it that only I have to rely on surveys and you don't?!
And here is the description of the survey I conducted (I will allow myself not to dwell on the methodological assumptions and the description of the execution): For some reason, there are parties in Israel (currently there is mainly one) of Mizrahi who feel excluded and disadvantaged and want to restore Atara to its former glory, but from the same “nothing” similar, there are no parties in Israel at all that represent such Ashkenazim (although the Labor Party and Meretz are starting to look like that). So yes, in about ten rounds that I repeated this survey over and over again, a fairly similar answer was received (thanks, it is already completely scientific): There are about seven or eight seats in the public (in the past it reached seventeen) who feel this way, and I estimate that there are many others who feel this way and do not vote for Shas for other reasons. And no, the last addition (about those who don't vote for Shas) is not based on a survey, but on a number of details that I personally know (by the way, the size of this sample is much larger than your sample), and of course also on two other dubious and unscientific tools: logic and familiarity with reality.
I did not answer a stupid question that tries to divert the discussion into psychological directions. The discussion that can be had is whether or not such a feeling exists in people, and not the question of what the psychological factor is that makes me think there is such a feeling. That's a question for another discussion that I don't intend to get into. By the way, I'll add another tip on reading comprehension (in general, I would expect a proud and unexcluded Mizrahi like you to show minimal reading comprehension of what he himself wrote): It wasn't a question at all. It was a cynical and ugly comment with a question mark at the end. Therefore, I didn't see what there was to answer here. And I'll leave you with my misconception.
I hope that now everything is answered to your satisfaction.
Thank you very much for your comment. I am very happy to read your disagreement with my words. People who disagree with me make me learn and grow wiser, and for that I am grateful to you.
Your claim: You bring up exceptions and outliers.
My claim: These exceptions are increasing.
The evidence: From your words! The number of deprived and victimized has dropped from 17 seats to 8. {The assumption that everyone who expresses Shas feels deprived is a claim that can also be argued about}.
I assume that your personal experience with Mizrahi stems from places where you lived and still live, Yeruham and Lod, where there is a Mizrahi population that claims deprivation. The number of those who claim deprivation is small. Therefore, it is not correct to write Mizrahi.
In conclusion: You were certainly wrong about one thing. I am not a Mizrahi and I am not proud of them. (‘I hope I'm a proud Mizrahi’} My parents' origin is in the southern part of the Land of Israel, not Mizrahi. {If you reply to this and want to tease me, please write ‘humble southerner’…}
And I will remain in my thoughts.
With great appreciation, Noam.
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