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Thatched fence

שו”תCategory: HalachaThatched fence
asked 3 years ago

Rabbi Michi Shalom.
The Gemara in Tractate Sukkah begins with three reasons why the Sages disapprove of a sukkah that is over 20 cubits long.
One explanation is that for a sukkah over 20 cubits, the shadow comes from the sides and not from the thatch. My question is: During the day, there are times when the sun is above the thatch {when it is on the south side} and then most of the shadow comes from the thatch and not from the sides, and then it doesn’t really matter what the height of the sides is. So, it would seem that a sukkah over 20 cubits would be valid. On the other hand, there are times when the sides of the sukkah are below 20 cubits but the sun is in the east. In this case, it can be said that most of the shadow comes from the sides and not from the thatch. So, what is the formula for defining a thatch that has a lot of shade because of it?
With greetings and appreciation.


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מיכי Staff answered 3 years ago
A few notes. 1. This of course depends on the location on the globe. 2. Of course, it is not required that this will be the source of the shadow at all times. This is a general, average assessment. 3. It is quite clear that these are supporting and not creative reasons, meaning that the halakha was known and the reasons came only afterwards to support it. The fact is that all of these explanations, for some reason, fall precisely within the 20-amemah limit (the Hanukkah violin and the Ka’movi). 4. If there is shade from both the sides and the canopy, it can still be okay. This is seen in the Gemara itself (“Del Ashterot Karnaim”), and the NEPAM of Rav Huna, Rav Amr regarding a large sukkah. 5. It seems that the halakha uses these criteria to define the orientation of a sukkah, but there is no requirement that the shade actually come from the thatch and not from the sides. In other words, the shade is a sign and not a reason. This is what some of the above-mentioned rabbinical commentary by Rav Huna says about a large sukkah (over 40 cubits), since in such a sukkah there is still shade from the sides but there is also shade from the thatch, at least partially. Regarding the explanation of the temporary dwelling, the Gemara later states this explicitly (that temporary is not really necessary, and it is only a sign and not a reason).

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