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Fundamental puzzlement regarding the hostage deal

שו”תCategory: moralFundamental puzzlement regarding the hostage deal
asked 1 year ago

Rabbi, it is very important to me to understand the complexity you are advocating regarding the deal. I can understand what you are saying about the “mass psychosis” but I am still very troubled in light of the following:
The people we appointed to head the security services (the Chief of Staff and the heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet, as well as Nitzan Alon and the Minister of Defense) believe that the deal should be signed and that from a security and political perspective we can meet its price. The information they have is certainly deeper and broader than what we have, and there is no doubt that these are Zionists and patriots who have the best interests of the country at heart. It is also worth remembering very important things:
(1) These people are the Prime Minister’s envoys for negotiations. He chose them for this task and therefore he necessarily trusts them and their abilities and judgment.
(2) The deal that the heads of the security services recommend was proposed by the Prime Minister himself at the beginning of the year.
(3) The Prime Minister did not present any organized reasons for his withdrawal from the deal. No alternative report was published on his behalf, no significant discussions were held in the Cabinet (unfortunately, the Cabinet members are not the best people our country can provide), and there is no evidence of a thorough and professional decision-making process. The Prime Minister simply changed his mind and decided against the deal.
Therefore, I conclude that a rational person would choose to trust the position that supports the deal. After all, we certainly cannot ourselves analyze the impact of certain actions such as holding the Philadelphia axis or entering Rafah, etc., and therefore it is appropriate to trust the heads of the security forces in the same way that one trusts the fire commissioner or the governor of the central bank in their professional recommendations.
My question therefore is this: Why wouldn’t a rational person choose to adhere to and support the position of the heads of the security forces and trust them, even if he personally intuitively opposes the deal?

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מיכי Staff answered 3 months ago

I will answer briefly (relatively).
I don’t attach much importance to the opinions of “experts,” since I see their biases in the studios. They, like many others, are washed away in the murky current of mass psychosis, and mix value considerations with professional considerations. Values ​​are perfectly fine, but they are not experts on values. I bet there is no one in the universe who would tell us to stop the war if it weren’t for the consideration of returning the hostages, meaning that it is a dilemma between values ​​and security and policy considerations. They are not experts on that, and I have no confidence in them.
Even if we can trust the security judgment of the subjects and negotiators, they have no information about our political constraints. For example, the question of whether we can after a while return and conquer Philadelphia is not a military one. It is clear that we can, and every private can know that. The question is political, whether they will allow us to do so. And here they have no information. Only Bibi has the full information.
I don’t believe the reports that Bibi agreed to something, these are just rumors, and everyone who knows about it says the agreement was general and without going into details. Just the other day I heard a Channel 11 reporter reporting that the Biden agreement didn’t mention Philadelphia.
In my opinion, this is a futile argument because even if they tried from Philadelphia, Hamas would not return prisoners, and certainly not all of them. This is the Salami method. They announce again and again that there will be no deal without a complete withdrawal and cessation of fighting with guarantees that it will not be renewed. They may return some prisoners for a very large price, but there will always be more prisoners because they are not idiots like us. And so it goes on forever, giving them up in exchange for another prisoner and another murder.
The psychosis of the masses is causing Hamas to oppose the deal and murder more captives. They see that the more they murder, the more they will profit and disintegrate us from within. So why would they agree to the deal and why wouldn’t they murder more hostages? So not only is it unfounded, it is harmful and delusional. It is a real betrayal and collaboration with Hamas (of course not intentionally, but as a result there is a coalition and a wonderful symbiosis between Hamas and Kaplan’s brains and the families of the hostages). We are fighting among ourselves and Hamas sits and rubs its hands with pleasure. There is no deal at all on the table, but we are already falling apart from so many arguments.
I also have no faith in this government, and I have written about it very sharply more than once. But there is no logic and no factual basis for the accusations that they do not want the kidnapped and that they are messianic and are intentionally thwarting a deal. There is no logic in this statement (because Bibi’s interest is to return the kidnapped) and it has no factual basis. Even the Americans say that Hamas is thwarting it and Israel has complied again and again. But the facts do not play a role here. Yesterday Biden said that Bibi is not doing enough to return the kidnapped, and immediately everyone sees a contradiction in Blinken’s words about two weeks ago, when he said that Israel has complied and Hamas is the one who is torpedoing. But any sensible person understands that there is no contradiction. Israel is indeed complying and doing everything, but in Biden’s opinion, it is not doing enough because he wants us to give up more. But that is his interest, not ours. We will pay the price for an unsuccessful gamble. The Americans just want peace. We have already seen what the pursuit of peace (including Bibi’s own) leads to.
Even if Bibi proposed a deal as long as it has not been signed and agreed to by Hamas, he has the right and duty to withdraw it if he sees that he made a mistake or if he sees that Hamas is again making demands and resorting to the salami method. The ABC of negotiations is that if I made an offer and you did not agree, I withdraw my offer. Otherwise, it invites salami. I will offer, you will refuse and I will not withdraw, and then there is pressure on me to give in further, and God forbid. Every beginner in negotiations knows that the way to get to the bottom of it is to tell the other side that if you do not accept my offer, it is no longer on the table. We start over.
Everything I’ve written here is simple logic and I don’t see how it can be disputed. The fact that people don’t understand it themselves is only because of the psychosis.

בעל דבר replied 1 year ago

Cheers!

רפאל replied 1 year ago

Even when the disengagement was carried out by Sharon and when the Oslo Accords were signed by Rabin, you claimed that only Sharon/Rabin had the full information and that there was no such thing as security expertise and that the demonstrations were mass psychosis?

מתנחל הגון replied 1 year ago

Oslo and the disengagement were a salvation and it was good that they were done
The problem was mainly how they dealt with these gifts afterwards

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