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Does the creation of the choice of evil indicate a lack or evil?

שו”תCategory: faithDoes the creation of the choice of evil indicate a lack or evil?
asked 11 months ago

As is known, one of the answers to the problem of the creation of evil by an omnipotent, all-good, and all-knowing God. In my opinion, the only plausible answer is that evil is necessary to create choice. The question is why create a choice that causes unnecessary suffering? The very fact of giving the possibility of choosing evil indicates that God is either not good or incomplete. Thank you very much. I would appreciate the answer.


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מיכי Staff answered 11 months ago
Absolutely not. He has a chosen interest (without it there is no point in our existence at all). This requires the existence of evil, because without it there is no choice. When someone chooses option X that has a price Y, it does not mean that he does not care about the price, but that the value of X justifies the price Y in his eyes.

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meny770 replied 11 months ago

The fact that God has an interest in me choosing and that justifies evil indicates; A. That God has an interest/interest = He is interested in something = He lacks something, meaning that God is not perfect and omnipotent, because He cannot satisfy this need for Himself without creating evil, which He clearly does not want.
B. It is more interesting to Him to satisfy this need/interest in us completely doing evil, meaning that the choice is more equal to completely doing evil, something that a perfectly good and even imperfect being would not do in life. What is the Rabbi's response?

מיכי Staff replied 11 months ago

My response is that he does have needs. Not necessarily in the same sense as we do, but a kind of completeness that needs to be filled.
See suggested explanation in column 170.

meny770 replied 11 months ago

So the Rabbi agrees that he is not omnipotent? In addition, why does he not overcome his needs for the sake of good, as I would expect from perfect goodness?

מיכי Staff replied 11 months ago

I understand that you didn't read the column. Nor did you read my response above.

meny770 replied 11 months ago

I read the answer above, but I haven't read the column yet.

meny770 replied 11 months ago

I read the answer here, but not the column. In the answer you wrote here, you wrote that he has needs, so I asked why you think he is complete.

מיכי Staff replied 11 months ago

Who said he is complete? He has needs and part of his completeness is that we fulfill them. That is what I explained in the column.
But these are not needs that fulfill an interest but rather create completeness. Therefore, his demand to fulfill them is not something bad and lowly self-interested. That is what I answered here above.

meny770 replied 11 months ago

I need to read the column. But aren't all of our needs aimed at achieving some kind of wholeness, at least temporarily? By the way, I think that if you have to bully people to be whole, that says something about you, doesn't it?

מיכי Staff replied 11 months ago

Indeed you need to. Your arguments here are irrelevant to the matter. No one said that all our needs are complete. On the contrary, those are his needs. Ours are not. And that doesn't indicate anything about him.

meny770 replied 11 months ago

What is the difference between our needs and his? I say that our needs are a desire for perfection, man wants to be whole, to provide for a temporary or permanent deficiency, for this he fulfills his needs. And the Creator's needs are also a desire for perfection, as you wrote, just as we create evil, to fulfill needs is evil, so too is the Creator. By the way, it seems to me that the Ramchal writes that God is complete perfection, right? What do you think?

meny770 replied 11 months ago

By the way, I read the article and you claimed there that God must create a process of self-improvement in order to be completely whole. Can't He create perfection without doing evil? Something that a good person, and certainly a perfectly good person, would never do in life.

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