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Is our Lord’s time over at the end of Shabbat?

שו”תCategory: HalachaIs our Lord’s time over at the end of Shabbat?
asked 6 months ago

Shalom Rabbi Michi
Is there a halakhic basis in your opinion that one must “fear” the time of Rabbeinu Tam on Satsach? It is clear that the Shulchan Aruch ruled that Rabbeinu Tam, but only to a certain extent and with a certain degree of seriousness. In short, the world’s custom (forgive me for the blatant generalization) did not accept this ruling and practices what is called the time of the Geonim.
My question is specific to Israel time, which is more or less 20-30 minutes late.
And I ask about the method of some of our generation’s poskim on Saturday, who claim that one should be afraid because the Shulchan Aruch ruled thus. Doesn’t that seem like an unreasonable severity to you?
thanks
peace
 


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מיכי Staff answered 6 months ago
I don’t see the fact that the Shulchan Arbiter ruled something as a reason to fear anything. Do what you think. I haven’t gone into the issue and I don’t have a position.

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שלום replied 6 months ago

And the fact that Rabbi Tam wrote that the sunset is much longer than we measure here in Israel, do you think he verified this against the sunset in northern France (where he lived) or did he rule this out regardless of the reality around him?

מיכי Staff replied 6 months ago

I have no idea.

י.ד. replied 6 months ago

In Israel, too, it takes time for the sky to completely darken.

ינון replied 6 months ago

Rabbeinu Tam's entire method is based on incorrect astronomy.
He claims that after the ”first” sunset” (the usual sunset) when the sun is hidden from our eyes, it has not yet left the world but passes through the ”thickness of the sky” and comes out of a window and out, and this time takes another hour, and this is what is called the ”second” sunset.
These are things that began in the Gemara, and you can see the controversy there already.
It is clear that the sky has no thickness and this whole thing is a bluff. Indeed, several poskim today have written that there is nothing to fear from Rabbeinu Tam's method because of this. Many are stricter than Rabbeinu Tam following the Shulchan Aruch (there is also disagreement about his opinion, one can clarify both systems from him, although it is quite clear that he follows the same path as Rabbeinu Tam in both Beit Yosef and the Shulchan A.) (There are also Briskerim and Hasidim who strictly follow Rabbeinu Tam even at the beginning of Shabbat and perform rituals until the time of the R.T.)

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