Reference to iGod videos
Recently, a series of videos by the Christian sect known as “Messianic Jews” have been posted online, criticizing Jewish tradition. We feel it is our duty to preface this by saying that their arguments are weak and childish and do not really require any attention. It is quite embarrassing to engage in such an anachronistic polemic. Nevertheless, at the request of readers who claim that the videos have an impact and that there is no organized response to their arguments on the Internet, we have decided to post a few comments here. The things that will be written here are intended for those who are somehow troubled by this material.
New on the site: Response to iGod’s response to the series of references
- Reference to the iGod missionary channel videos – Introduction
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – The Framework for the Discussion
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – the Arguments
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – The Arguments – Continued
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – The Arguments – Continued 2
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – The Arguments – Continued 3
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – The Arguments – Continued 4
- Tosh’a and the “Rabbinical Plots” – Summary
In the spirit of writing the articles, I would like to give another point for thought. Jesus never denied the Toshbin, he himself maintained traditions that are not explicitly written in the Torah, for example, he blessed the bread, held the Seder, read the Patara, etc.
Pay attention to his polemic against the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Jesus clearly says that the Pharisees are the ones who sit on the seat of Moses and that they should be told to “Keep and do”.
When 23
1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowd and to his disciples, saying, 2 The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat. 3 Therefore, whatever they tell you to observe and do, do not do according to their deeds. For they say and do not do. 4 For they forbid heavy burdens and grievous things to be put upon men's shoulders, but they themselves do not. They want to please even their own people. 5 And they do all their works to be seen of men, for they make wide their turbans and lengthen their skirts.
But he had a dispute with the Sadducees about the interpretation of the law.
Mark 12
And there came to him some of the Sadducees who say that there is no resurrection of the dead, and they asked him, saying, 19 Rabbi Moses wrote to us that we should die. A man left a wife and no children, and his brother took his wife and raised up offspring for his brother. 20 And there were seven brothers, and the first took a wife and died, and left no offspring. 21 And the second took her and died, and left no offspring, and so did the third. 22 And all the seven took her, and left no offspring after them, and the last of them all. The woman also died. 23 Now in the resurrection, when the dead rise, whose wife will she be? For the seventh was the wife. 24 And Jesus said to them, "Are you not mistaken, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?"
Summary:
His criticism of the Pharisees was about their actions, not their faith and interpretation of the Torah, while with the Sadducees he had a religious polemic. From this we can conclude that Jesus was closer to the Pharisees than to the Sadducees.
Interesting
We would be happy if you could give more quotes from customs.
Like Seder night, etc.
Better than a commandment from the Torah.
Of course, the igod channel's arguments are silly and childish, just like any other argument that supposedly proves the existence of God, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy.
A few points to think about:
*The essence of life is exactly as we decide to define it. Each person for himself.
*The beginning of the universe at a singular point does not prove that nothing else preceded it, but there is simply no way to know what it was.
*If God exists, how do we know which of his interpretations to believe? Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. Even within each major religion, there are many different currents that contradict each other.
*God was invented by man and has no meaning without the existence of the believer. In the absence of a person who believes in God, there is no God.
The book "The Khazari" was written for the questions you asked here.
So superficial and shallow! Much more so than the arguments of the Christians themselves.
It is a waste of effort to respond to the logical folly you present here.
True, if you have the feeling that this is Mount Sinai where you (=the hero) are revealed and give us Torah (from the mouth of the hero), you are wrong. Your collection of statements is completely similar to the statements of Jesus or anyone else. Without reasons, it is not worth the energy of typing on the keyboard and it also has no place here.
By the way, I did not see a single point of thought here. Maybe you are interrupted in the middle.
If you visit an ancient synagogue, you will see that there is a Moses' chair there. A chair that the Torah reader sits on and reads the Torah. Jesus said that we should do everything the Pharisees tell us. When? When they sit on Moses' chair. But not to act like them.
1. Passover:
And the disciples did as Jesus had commanded, and they prepared the Passover. And when evening came, he sat down with the twelve. And as they were eating, he said, ‘Truly I say to you, one of you will betray me.’ And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began one to say to him, ‘Lord, is it I?’ And he answered and said, ‘He who has dipped his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. Behold, the Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It is better for that man that had not been born.’ And Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, “Rabbi, is it I?” And he said to him, “You have said it.” And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took the cup, and blessed it, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. And I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it with you, which is the new testament in my Father’s kingdom.” And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
(Matthew 20:1)
2. Peter:
And he came to Nazareth, where he had grown up, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was delivered unto him: and when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because he hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek: 19 Send me. To bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to send the blind away, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And it came to pass, when he had rolled up the book, that he gave it back to the priest, and sat down; and the eyes of all that were in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, Today is this scripture fulfilled. In your ears:
(Luke 4)
Know what? Let's sum it up once and for all!
If the Oral Torah from God cannot contradict the Written Torah, then it agrees?
So how is it possible that the Tosh”a claims that ”You shall not deviate” refers to the rabbis and that they are allowed to add as many commandments as they please? After all, if you read the entire passage in the Written Torah, you see that God really did not intend this! I think we can both agree on this, so how is it possible that she says this and still violates the prohibition ” You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor shall you diminish from it, to keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Yes, it will probably be once and for all. That's how it always works with you. When I answer, you immediately accept and move on to the next topic. What is called once and for all.
This sophisticated and difficult question (I hope I recover from this incredible crushing blow. Truly, "the daughter of Israel has fallen and will rise no more") has already been asked by the Rishonim, and there are even various disputes about it. In fact, it has already raised an old man.
So,
First, there can certainly be a contradiction between the "Torah" (or between the sermon and the plain text), as I explained in my columns.
Second, we absolutely disagree with your absurd assumption about "you shall not turn aside". See column 6 (in general, it is recommended to read, and even occasionally try to understand, what I write before discussing my words). The sages have the authority to legislate and interpret the Torah, and this is written in ”La Tesur”.
Third, it is forbidden to add commandments, but it is permissible and necessary to amend regulations and issue decrees when necessary (make a watch for my watch), and this is why it is said “La Tesur” and ”as long as it is prolonged” (according to the Rambam. The Rambam has a different source). Indeed, the Rambam writes at the beginning of the Rambam that whoever adds a regulation or decree must indicate that it is not a law from the Torah so that he does not violate the prohibition against adding. So where is the contradiction here? Is it because there is a prohibition against adding that we are forbidden to enact laws in the country? Maybe this is also a prohibition against adding? Addition is the addition of a commandment to the system of commandments from the Torah, and not the addition of other laws.
Although other rishonim claim that there is no prohibition at all on the sages (and perhaps also on the laymen) to add mitzvot, and ”Bel Tosif” deals with adding and changing the details of a mitzvah (such as adding a thread to a tzitzit or a section in tefillin).
This is a short one-legged lesson, and I am sure that we have now closed the matter once and for all, as you wrote.
I have written my response to all Christians below, please respond.
In your opinion, there is an internal contradiction in the Bible with the addition of the days of Purim and their commandments, such as sending gifts to one another and gifts to the poor.
The Bible itself has an answer to this: “And Jacob went out from Beersheba and went to Haran.” And the words are simple.
Your Honor, could you explain the difference in essence between the commandments of the rabbis and the commandments of the Torah? Why are blessings given for the commandments of the rabbis in the Achaemenid?
On the one hand, you say that it is forbidden to add commandments, but it is permissible to add regulations, etc. And you, the Sages, added the blessing for lighting the Chanukah candles. - And this is not a observance of the commandments of the Lord at all.
No wise person, no matter how wise, has the authority to legislate and interpret the Torah in any way or under any circumstances. We must adhere to the only interpretation of Moses, which we received at Horeb as explicitly written “For Moses explained this Torah” Therefore, only his interpretations and explanations of the words of the Lord are from Sinai. And everything written in the Gemara that does not explain and explain the points of the Torah – does not apply to me in any way to obey them or even to know them.
I didn't understand all these questions. Is this stupidity, wickedness, or arrogance:
1. Regarding the blessing of Akva, the Gemara on Shabbat already discussed this and said that it was also commanded by the rabbis in ”La Tesur”.
2. Lighting Hanukkah candles is not a mishmar law, since this law was stated only about decrees and exceptions. Here it is done by virtue of the authority to enact more laws (provided that they are not presented as Torah law), which is learned from the opinion of the Maimonides from ”La Tesur”.
And according to the Ha-Hag (according to the explanation of the Hatz), the Hanukkah candle and the scroll on Purim are from the Torah since they are learned from the Passover (and from slavery to freedom they say poetry, from death to life, not even more so). It is true that this is narrow in its method, and there is no place here.
3. The sages of the generations have complete authority to interpret the Torah, and the Sanhedrin and the Talmud also have authority to legislate, and this is what we learned from ”Do not deviate” and ”As long as it is prolonged”. And those who adhere only to the interpretations of Moses our Lord (which of course they cannot know about without the tradition of Tosheva”P) are heretics and heretics, and also fools.
Hello again,
Thank you for the quick response, what about the Shabbat candles, Honorable Rabbi, who corrected this? And why did none of the Sages include this mitzvah in the Torah? What is the point of separating the mitzvahs of the rabbis from the mitzvahs of God? After all, it has long been out of the question, as you explained, “You shall not turn aside,” and God Almighty said, “My children will prevail.” So everything is permitted to them. Let us not talk about “even a Toin, even a Shoggin—listen to their voice.”
From your words, Honorable Rabbi, it follows that after Moses our Lord, all things passed away and changed greatly. Do you admit this?
By the way, it is written in the Book of the Avos: Moses received the Torah from Sinai and delivered it to Joshua... and here I showed that Moses our Master delivered it to the people as it is written, "He put it in their mouths" - how does that work out?
Since the question is repeated over and over again at the same time in several threads under several different nicknames, it is probably a troll.
I assume the next question will be why are Babylonians' heads oval (see Shabbat 1:1). I wondered if it would still be appropriate to follow the custom of Rabbi Frida (Eruvin 4:2) and answer a troll who asks the same question 400 times (under a different nickname).
If you want, I can offer a list of rabbinic laws, and this will save you the trouble of having to search for the same question each time on a different rabbinic law. But I will still give you another logical tip: if you ask the same question again and again in different words each time on a different rabbinic law, it does not become a different question, and certainly not a better question.
As for your new question of "putting it in their mouths," that is a new technique. Now we have moved into the realm of nonsense. It's surprising to me that you didn't make it difficult for me from the verse "Ahot Lotan Timna" or from the fact that "Migo" brought out "Neh Amrinan", from there it is clearly proven that the Torah we have is not Moses' and this is logical proof that Judaism is a lie.
I must say that I recognize the ability to argue, understand and think that is displayed in the video, and I wouldn't be surprised if the troll here is nothing but the speaker from there.
The fact that Rav has trauma from Michal Gargamel and their friends. The Trollers Trio.
That doesn't mean that my children are them…
It's a shame to write in an aggressive way because of a wrong conclusion.
I have no trauma. Usually I answer patiently, but this is a troll, as I have now added a clarification above.
To all Christians, I wanted to ask about your faith in the ”New Covenant”:
In the Old Testament it is written: Psalms 19:
Forever, O Lord, your word is established in heaven.
From generation to generation, your faith; you established the earth, and it shall stand.
Your righteousness is righteousness forever; and your law is truth.
Come near, you who pursue lewdness; far from your law.
You are near, O Lord; and all your commandments are truth.
I knew from the beginning, from your testimonies: for you have established it forever.
So there is no place for another covenant that changes or modifies the first covenant.
Let us hear you… one by one, please
I hope that I am clear, and that if you know how to confess the truth, you will become devout Jews in the Holy One of God from the path of the Torah.
If you have noticed, King David, peace be upon him, those who stray from the Torah of the Lord are no less than persecutors of lewdness.
What explanation will you bring from the Pope? Because you certainly will not be able to get out of this!
Response to Rabbi.
King David and the Psalms are strong and blessed, and the word of the Lord is true.
The Lord spoke through the prophet Jeremiah, chapter 3, verses 3-33, saying that a new covenant would come, not like the one He made with our fathers at Sinai, because they broke the covenant.
Accordingly, we are all condemned to death with no mercy and grace from the Lord, who will bring us correction through a new covenant, as written in the Scriptures and in many places.
By the way, what does Psalms chapter 2 say?
Psalms 22?
What about Daniel, who prophesies in chapter 9, verses 24-26
the time of the coming of the Messiah.
And Malachi 3, verse 1
Isaiah 55
Zechariah 12, verse 10; the day when we will recognize the Messiah, whom we pierced with a cross, Jesus his name.
Etc. The entire Bible points to the Messiah of Israel, Jesus.
The sages say that all the prophets speak to the Messiah.
Are you, Your Honor, supposed to be knowledgeable in all the Scriptures?!
In addition, besides the New Testament, there were other covenants that He made.
For example, covenants that are familiar to many.
The covenant of Noah,
The covenant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The covenant of Moses,
The covenant of David,
And the New Testament.
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. ” Jeremiah 3:1
But the sages have already addressed the New Testament that will be cut off. In the time of the Messiah, there will be a certain relaxation in the laws of slaughter.
The kosher and unclean animals will remain as they were. That is, pigs and camels will remain forbidden.
Only the slaughter itself will change.
This contradicts Christianity and Islam.
And apparently, they said this in Judaism even before the great religions. Before they even existed. (So it is not a ’late invention of the rabbis’. Because they said this even before Christianity and certainly before Islam…).
In general, that site distorts the words of the sages and takes things out of context.
The sages addressed these arguments thousands of years ago.
Bye Rambo,
The saga of igod ended a long time ago, a year ago. Why are you suddenly renewing it?
“The Lord spoke through the prophet Jeremiah, chapter 10, verse 10, and said that a new covenant would come, not like the one you made with our fathers at Sinai, because they broke the covenant. ”
Other verses mention an eternal covenant, so your understanding contradicts the verses.
A covenant of commandments (part of the Torah) :
35. And the children of Israel kept the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, a perpetual covenant. (Exodus 31:17 / Great Readings)
42. On the Sabbath day they shall keep it before the LORD continually from among the children of Israel, a covenant of everlasting covenant. (Exodus 24:8 / Great Readings)
55. And it shall be to him and to his seed after him a covenant of everlasting priesthood, under which he was jealous for his God, and made atonement for the children of Israel. (Numbers 25:13 / Great Readings)
A covenant of connection with the Lord:
49. And yet for this reason, when they were in the land of their enemies, I did not abhor them nor abhor them, to break my covenant with them, for I am the Lord their God. (And the angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to the lamentations, and said, I will bring you up out of Egypt, and will bring you into the land which I sware unto your fathers, saying, I will not break my covenant with you for ever. (Judges 2:1)
234. And he confirmed it unto Jacob for a statute unto Israel for an everlasting covenant. (Psalms 105:10 / Mikraot Gedolot)
If so, we have no choice but to do what the Rabbi here repeats many times, the principle of Lex specialis.
Sometimes we do a little bit of ekimethut. And the meaning of a new covenant is not new instructions. But perhaps like a covenant of friendship (David and Jonathan) or a marriage covenant (as in the Psalms).
Wait, that's not exactly what you said at the end of your words “In addition, besides the New Covenant, there were other covenants that God made. For example, covenants that are familiar to many. The covenant of Noah, the covenant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. The covenant of Moses, the covenant of David, and the New Covenant.”
So how did I get to claim that the covenants that the verses in Jeremiah are talking about are of the type that you think?!
What's more, it would have been appropriate to read the entire chapter, and not like the missionary method that takes verses/parts of verses without any context.
At the beginning of chapter 31 (the aforementioned chapter) it is about the exile, then from verse 10 it is about the good that will come to Israel, then once again it is about Rachel's weeping from the exile and God comforts her, "There is a reward for your work." Then in verse 22 it is about the future blessing for Israel and the planting of Israel in its land, and then the famous verses that will be fulfilled in the future come and I have made a new covenant.
So also according to your opinion if you say that these are new laws and a new covenant no matter how you want to interpret it.
Still according to the chapter it does not talk about Jesus at all.
And even if you forcefully insist that the rest of the book of Jeremiah/the chapter/the Torah except for verse 21 These are later additions of the rabbinical sect. You can always see that the verses themselves do not speak of Jesus.
” And it shall come to pass, that as I have watched over them to pluck up, and to break down, and to destroy, and to destroy, and to make evil: so will I watch over them to build, and to plant, saith the LORD. 28 In those days they shall no more say, The fathers have eaten the morning glory; and the two sons shall be the children of the house of the LORD. 29 For if a man be in his iniquity, he shall die: every man that eateth the firstfruits, his teeth shall be set on edge. {S} Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. No, I have not broken the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: but they broke my covenant, and I also broke it with them, saith the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD: I will put my law in their sight, and write it in their hearts; And I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
It is easy to see from the very verses that you have quoted that their prophecy was not fulfilled at all. No one feels the doing of good and the keeping of the commandments of the LORD. From his heart “This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD, I will put my law in their midst, and on their hearts will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people”
A clear proof that there is no equal to it, you can find here in abundance on the site! How many heresies are poured out here in the water. That even if during the ‘Old Testament’, people went to their rabbi to learn faith, this will not happen in the New Testament. ” 33 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: ”
And if you go to the sites of heresy (if you will, how many I will send you) then you will see that the end of the prophecy’ has not been fulfilled at all
For they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, saith the LORD– for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. ”
Regarding the continuation, I am already tired of answering today (it was a difficult day for me today). Maybe I'll write tomorrow if I find time.
You can read the rest of the questions in clear language in Rabbi Nissim Ohana's book, "Know What You Will Answer." He wrote the answers to the Mufti of Gaza, whose hospital in the city was taken over by the missionaries. He has an interesting introduction to the book. You can find it in the Treasury of Wisdom.
In any case, the pattern of the answer to the common missionary is also with regard to the other verses you cited.
A. The missionary claims are not the literal translation of the words. And even if they are, it is usually only one. Although there are no less good translations, if not many, many more.
B. They do not fit the content of the chapter.
C. They are hidden from view.
The book I referred you to shows this in many ways. [But he didn't talk about a new covenant, apparently this is a new low for igod in the last decade. So I was honored to write in a few minutes’ the matter. I assume that many more complaints will arise if I open the verses not when the eyes are half closed…]
Hello my friend/brother.
I am answering the rabbi's question ”Who can get out of this” That is why I responded even though it was a year ago.
I don't understand what your answer has to do with keeping the Sabbath and the commandments?! That is not what we are discussing here, but who is the Messiah of Israel.
Maybe you are tired, but if you are going to correct me and refute me, please answer previous questions.
In your Bible it is written that the Gentiles will desire it’ and bow down to it and it will be a light to the Gentiles.
The great world today through and through whom does the God of Israel know?
What else can I say….?! There is much to say and I am interested in the debate.
Messiah is the Lord in his own right as it is written:
And thus it began that the Messiah would be revealed to us and carry out his plan.
Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 55:16.
And what is its role: Isaiah Chapter 66
Isaiah Chapter 9
Read to the end and the criticism that He criticizes His people.
Finally, the good news
Isaiah 34:14 And all good is to him who seeks and trusts in Him.
The summary is enough to discover for yourself who God and His Messiah are.
The kingdom of heaven is near!
Be blessed.
I see that you are switching questions like a professional missionary.
There is no compatibility between what you just mentioned and what you wrote before. And I answered what you asked very well. The commandments are only one aspect of the answer. I simply do not know what your understanding of the concept of a “new covenant” that requires a new religion is. Therefore, I shot down any understanding that you do not have, and in the process showed that the prophecy has not yet come. The things are clear, it is a pity that you stopped at the first paragraph.
It's important for me to note as a secular young man looking for some answers regarding this group – Although there is no real value to their arguments, they manage to do their job well.
Their cheap use of sexuality, editing that is suitable for teenagers and all sorts of other digital means makes them even a dangerous group.
Keep working and refuting their content.
Mehdi, the biggest problem with them is that they have no integrity.
A. They don't let comments be written, only those that curse, and then they have nothing to say at all.
B. They lie freely in arguments.
C. They fake it, let's say they present rabbis as afraid to meet with them and invite them to an open debate against anyone who agrees, but when someone agrees then they either ignore it, or worse, they rewrite their comment and publish a fake comment on their site… as if he wrote that he didn't want to! It's insanely annoying.
D. They try to censor videos claiming copyright, to videos that they commented on and to that end they cut parts of their videos!
Hello Rabbi, I would personally be happy to watch a filmed debate of you with someone from the team there, say Eitan Bar.
But the sages have already addressed the New Testament that will be cut off. In the time of the Messiah, there will be a certain relaxation in the laws of slaughter.
The kosher and unclean animals will remain as they were. That is, pigs and camels will remain forbidden.
Only the slaughter itself will change.
This contradicts Christianity and Islam.
And apparently, they said this in Judaism even before the great religions. Before they even existed. (So it is not a ’late invention of the rabbis’. Because they said this even before Christianity and certainly before Islam…).
In general, that site distorts the words of the sages and takes things out of context.
The sages addressed these arguments thousands of years ago.