A Few Words Following the Funeral of Ruth Dayan (Column 368)
With God’s help
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In memory of Ruth Dayan, of blessed memory
Last weekend, Ruth Dayan, the former wife of Moshe Dayan, passed away at nearly 104. Ruth was a singular personality whose biography is tightly interwoven with the history of the state. She lived through and experienced many of the central events we went through and was acquainted with remarkable figures in Israel (such as Wingate, Yitzhak Sadeh, and many others) and around the world. She initiated important enterprises in the social, artistic, and economic spheres, such as “Maskit,” Variety, and more; she worked with new immigrants and other vulnerable populations, and of course she was a pronounced woman of the Left, in her quiet way. Thus, for example, she maintained a close friendship with Suha Arafat and her mother until her final days, and she devoted no small effort to Palestinian groups and to Jewish–Arab relations. That is probably what worked against her as a candidate submitted year after year for the Israel Prize, which she never received. The all-embracing “position” I discussed in Column 362 operates on these playing fields as well, and that’s a pity (cf. Israel Prize for Yeshayahu Leibowitz).
My wife, Dafna, was in close contact with her in recent years, and so we felt the need to attend the funeral held this past Sunday at noon in Nahalal. The funeral was a fascinating experience for me, and in Ruth’s memory I will write here a few reflections that arose for me around the event.
The participants at the funeral were a combination of two groups: the minority who organized the event were rugged, tanned moshavniks from Nahalal—callused hands, dressed in jeans, T-shirts, and work shoes. Alongside them was the majority group composed of family and friends, most of them pampered Tel Avivians, generally younger. To me this symbolized Ruth’s biography and that of her family (which likewise moved from Nahalal to Tel Aviv in every sense), but perhaps also the trajectory of the Israeli Left in general—from the pioneering settlement movement and the Labor movement (national and militarist, worshipping strength and persistence) into the bosom of left-wing liberalism, softer and alienated.
I was surprised that the funeral proceeded with a religious hue. Her granddaughter recited the Kaddish translated into Hebrew (an excellent idea—I am completely in favor, just as should be done with the ketubah), without the presence of members of the burial society (hevra kadisha), without the customary murmuring of Psalms and other stultifying rituals as is common in our parts. Instead, several songs of the Land of Israel were played (“Perhaps These Things Never Happened at All,” “Will There Indeed Yet Come Days,” and the like), which certainly suited the atmosphere. The feeling was that a piece of history was being buried here and gathered back to Mother Earth and to the Land of Israel (at the event, as with Ruth herself, one felt deep leftism and universalism together with a profound connection to the land and the state, as once characterized the Labor movement). It was hard not to think how much we all owe this group, which in recent years has undergone such a deep—and at times exasperating—transformation.
The speeches at the funeral sounded like an internal discourse of fanatical, iron-willed Balfour-protest warriors, speaking among themselves and sharing with one another their Balfour adventures and their dogged war for the state that was “stolen” from them. There were oaths of loyalty to the path and adherence to the legacy. To me it sounded exactly like at a Haredi funeral, where it does not occur to anyone that among those present there might be someone who does not fully identify with these statements, with this atmosphere, and with the conceptions it reflects. It is fitting and proper at such an event to speak about her views and also those of her family, and to describe them to the listeners as lines in her portrait and in her memory; but my sense there was that this was not description but preaching, as if these were principles that should be self-evident to everyone. I have been through similar events before, and I have concluded that there are all kinds of religious types who live in their own bubble and cannot see a meter beyond it.
It is instructive to view these matters against the backdrop of the immense and unusual complexity of the Dayan family, filled with highly talented figures, complicated and conflicted with themselves and with others, kicking and rebelling against anything that moves—and all, of course, in full public view (through the media, literature, journalism, and cinema). And despite all this, the discourse at the funeral reflected a picture of family and friends forming a completely uniform group, without a drop of complexity and/or rebellion. The atmosphere was entirely monochromatic (= single-toned), without grating notes or unusual voices (true, there is also Uzi Dayan, the “black sheep,” who was not felt there). My sense was that these folks constitute a religious-ideological group in every respect. I must say that this uniformity somewhat put me off on the one hand, but on the other side of the coin I was very impressed by their success in passing the torch and this heritage to the next generations. The “religious” education apparently works for them. In the population at large in Israel this group is almost an endangered species (and one could feel there the sadness and even a bit of despair over that), yet it turns out there are groups and families in which they manage to preserve this atmosphere and these values and transmit them well to their descendants. I felt they succeed in this no less—and perhaps more—than the staunchest of the “dossim” (religious types), among whom there is usually, nevertheless, some rebellious segment.
And returning to Ruth Dayan, of blessed memory: it is regrettable that her passing and her funeral received no place in the media, which is occupied mainly with Big Brother, with Bibi and anti-Bibi, and with other uninteresting and unimportant trivialities. Figures of her sort apparently do not interest anyone, and that is a pity. Incidentally, a similar feeling has come over me when great rabbis passed away, whose names meant nothing to the general public. Even when the media dedicates space to one rabbi or another, it is usually a rabbi who held a public role or voice (preferably political). Intellectuals and singular personalities are not news in our milieu, and that is a pity.
It seems to me worthwhile for all of us to take this opportunity to strengthen the antithesis to everything I have described here: to develop a focus on matters that are important and beneficial instead of the nonsense that fills our daily public discourse in this country; to engage with interesting and exceptional people and not with political or media celebrities; to listen to different voices and let them be heard; not to let “position” take an exclusive place in our considerations and in our attitude toward people and events. True, Ruth was, in my view, a leftist to the point of near-derangement—almost inconceivable to me. Friendship with the family of a mass murderer like Arafat is, for me, shocking. And yet, anyone who knew her knew that this came from an authentic place and a radiant personality, and it is not right to let our stance overshadow that (see Columns 29–30 on complex appreciation of people). She was a true lover of humanity, a woman of integrity, a role model for her family and for many other groups, endowed with impressive and distinctive traits. Her roots were planted deep in the land and the state, in harmony with her personality and her universalist outlook. It is a pity for those who are gone and will not be replaced.
May her memory be a blessing.
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A pearl necklace. Great.
I really enjoy reading the articles.
There is a type of religion called the "Ipka religion." The symptoms of these dosis are that they are even terribly smart and intelligent. They type themselves to know, purify the impure and defile the pure, prohibit the permitted and permit the forbidden, and do not spare any opportunity to beat up anyone who acts like them but from a different position with values and tradition, etc.
A. Even the most blatantly ignorant person agrees with others on 90% of the things in the world. It's just that the 10% that are controversial are the things that stand out.
B. It's nice that you're joining the trend that attributes “religion” to any group (or person) that you disagree with (or with), but the accepted use of the term ‘religion’ as a criticism is towards uncritical acceptance of principles without exercising effective personal supervision over the foundations of the system. When there is a reasoned and open presentation of something, then calling it a religion is just a bad use.
C. You make me look like an idiot.
Bezalel, although it seems like a terrible lack of intelligence, since he writes from a position on a column that is directed against positions. But I would like to inform you based on personal knowledge that this is not idiocy but a biased Haredi position. Sometimes the gut reactions look like something written by a clearly unintelligent person, but this is a bias of defensive bias and not necessarily a lack of intelligence. It is known to everyone that ’Itamar Ben Gvir’ Danan is our acquaintance the troll ‘Tam’, who as usual occasionally appears under a different nickname.
At first, it occurred to me to attach this response to the column as an example of the irrelevant position phenomenon that I wrote about. Tam never disappoints me when I need an example of the phenomenon that I write about. Later, I decided to give up and not comment at all (don't call a fool as foolish as he is). But since I now see that people don't know what and who we're talking about, I wrote to save people time on unnecessary discussion.
Let's move on to the failures in Miki's response:
“Although it seems like a terrible lack of intelligence, since he writes from a position on a column that is directed against positions”
He claims that the column was written from a position, and not that he does not write from a position, I did not claim that I do not write from a position unlike you, and I only presented a mirror image that you are also in the same boat, speaking from a deep-rooted position!
Later, of course, our informant entered and dived deep into his favorite demagogy instead of addressing the matter, well, this is no longer a failure, it is character.
Bezalel.
A. If the ninety percent are abstract things like day and night that clearly should not be included in the equation, only the ten percent you presented are the hundred percent in the equation, then neither the radical left nor the ultra-Orthodox from Mea Shearim are arguing about the simple reality in the world, the argument revolves solely around the ten percent you presented.
B. Just as the owner of the site attributed religiosity to anyone who sticks to his position and does not count the opinions of others, so should one call someone who is convinced that the truth opposite to the accepted norm, i.e. the desire for the oppressed, is proven to be a religion.
C. I don't know you well enough to know whether to be offended or flattered by the impression I make of you, but it can be said that from your definitely irrelevant response, the second option seems more plausible to me.
And a mental challenge for those interested in examining things not from positions,
A. Imagine in your mind Miki speaking softly to Itamar Ben-Gvir as he spoke softly about Arafat's friendship. Yes, Ben-Gvir is also convinced that he is doing justice, and unlike Arafat, he only hung a murderer's sign in his house, and did not commit murder (yet).
B. Was the funeral held according to the laws in force during the pandemic? And did it even occur to the columnist to see this as a blatant violation of the laws and leftist autonomy?
C. Why is it that every time the above is asked about things that do not match his comfortable position, the questioner receives a cynical and irrelevant response at best, only recently when he was asked by someone about the difference between mass funerals and demonstrations, (a debate between Dana Weiss and Amit Segal, who is not suspected of being Haredi) that the only difference is the language of the law and not the danger that arises or does not arise in both cases, the questioner received a disproportionate and irrelevant response that the position screams out from within it.
After all, Mikhi will call those who disagree with him trolls, retards, and so on, it will not change and will prove the position he is in, only his actions and columns when they are truly objective will clear him of his position and he will be able to criticize people who do speak from a position, speaking from a position and criticizing others who speak from a position does not make you objective without a position.
(A final note, when Miki has something to answer, he answers instead of attacking and exposing the writer to his followers so that their flattering and flattering position will help them escape from a substantive discussion of the claim. He often mentions the matter of the Maga with the lie about it, and he escapes from it whenever it suits him and takes care to expose the claimant so that his arguments will not be heard. Did I mention a position?!)
And let us say Amen!
And you, as a distinguished student and a close follower, have also moved into the realms of demagoguery. Continue like this and perhaps you too will have followers.
I have deleted irrelevant continuations, and will continue to do so.
Trending nonsense, however, I leave, in keeping with my policy of not censoring.
This whole story really seems ridiculous. When I hear about people who are lovers of people, I always say that "lover of people" is a code name for "hater of Israel" (except for Rabbi Kook, who was something else entirely). It's true that this is a eulogy and I didn't know the person, but I know the type and usually (I don't know of a case where this wasn't the case) it's just a kind of modeling and nothing more. And I'm not impressed with helping the "disadvantaged classes" and the like. People are willing to invest a lot of time, money and effort in looking beautiful. And I'm guessing that the "disadvantaged classes" are usually Arabs. My concepts of a "real man" are probably very different from the Rabbi's. Apparently, with him, truth is bought cheaply. For me, a true person is one who acts from a ”motive” of truth. More precisely, one who does not act from motives but to achieve goals. Most people lack self-awareness and do not ask themselves why they do what they do. And in such a situation, I guess she would not be exceptional in this regard. And the modeling motive (+ unholy innocence) is the one at play here. It is interesting how people “with a radiant personality” Able to simultaneously love Israel's enemies who want to destroy them and hate those who want to effectively defend themselves from those enemies (Itamar Ben Gvir. After all, if there is a war of people against people, then on the one hand there is no terror and terrorists here, but enemies and that's it, but on the other hand there is no such thing as harming innocent Arabs. There is no such thing as "innocent Arabs", but only enemies and that's it. There is also no "crime", but a war in which one side is right and the other is not. Or neither side is right. In any case, even if the rabbi thinks he is wrong, this is a legitimate position). After all, she certainly justified Arafat's war on the people of Israel if she had such a relationship with his family. And her personality probably did not "radiate" towards people like that.
In short, it's all a bluff. If I think that my side in this war is right, then she was an enemy of the people of Israel and that's it. And about this it is said (in paraphrase): “Help the wicked and love the enemies of Israel ” ?
Regarding the transition of ” the path of the Israeli left in general, from the working settlement and the labor movement (the nationalist and militarist that worships power and stubbornness) to the bosom of leftist liberalism, soft and alienated.” . The rabbi will note that this is exactly the same transition (which the rabbi described in two carts) that the West went through from modernism to postmodernism and which indicated that postmodernism was always there (in secular modernism) at its core. Here too, communist-socialist universalism always stood at the foundation of the Israeli left that founded the state. This schizophrenia between Jewish nationalism and socialist universalism (which is really fundamentally postmodern) has always been a source of tension and divisions on the left and was the foundation for the two parties of Mapai and the communist Mapai. For the latter, the State of Israel was a branch of the Soviet Union and they saw it as part of a larger enterprise of communism taking over the world (there were even some among them who spoke of Canaanite nationalism), while for Mapai the national element prevailed. But that was when nationalism was fashionable in the world. Because in fact this Israeli communism was a continuation of Jewish diaspora in a new form, because simply the eyes of diaspora Jews of this type are to look to the Gentiles and learn from their ways and not out of true faith in the people of Israel. From the moment nationalism went out of fashion, nothing remained of the national element in the map, and today the Labor Party is a twin of Meretz (a continuation of Mapem. The meme that Meretz is Mapem for those who don't know). And in fact, it is still to the left of it today. I recently read the book "The Rooster of the Villages" and I see that all the nonsense of the left today has been around since the beginning of the settlement. The Yesh Atid and Yisrael Beiteinu parties are also fundamentally no different from Meretz and Labor in terms of the Jewishness of the state. These people, in their hearts (without knowing it), either are not really supposed to vote for these parties or are not at all partners with us in sharing a destiny. Today, I very much understand the Haredim in their refusal to enlist in the IDF. This is not their country and they have nothing to die for and get injured in wars over. Iglai Malta says in retrospect that this was never the Jewish state and whoever founded it did not establish it with the intention of it being one. They established a state for themselves and their religion. There is no point today, as long as these guys control the media, the courts, the prosecutor's office and the army, in even enlisting. This is their state that was established for their religion. A kind of theocracy that they established. The Jews have nothing to look for in their army. They should enlist and fight their wars. We need to fight our wars. Here, for the rabbi, is the arrival of the mature stage of universalist and anti-national postmodernism.
Emanuel, I usually don't respond to the stupid and baseless comments you're spouting here, but since this is the subject of the column, I thought I'd deviate from my usual practice. Accept a genuine comment from me. Believe it or not, this wasn't written to disparage you, but rather for the sake of the matter and for your own good.
Since I know you quite well, in stark contrast to your "deep" acquaintance with Ruth Dayan and in general with people you tend to sort by tribe through childish and unfounded stereotypes that exist only in your fevered imagination, I tell readers that you're not as stupid as you seem to be from what you've written here and in other posts on the site.
And I highly recommend that you try to get out of your narrow, ant-like world. In particular, you shouldn't use strong statements when you write nonsense and talk about things you have no idea about and people you don't have the slightest idea about. It's better to focus on arguments, or at least on a well-founded and unbiased impression. This determination will probably pass with age (even I have already gone through it a little, although there may be those who do not see it that way), but too bad for you.
And finally, I will remind you that one of the topics in this little Torun is a complex assessment of people, and it seems that this issue does not exist for you at all. You are unable to detach yourself from your dogmatic and determined positions, and are unable to see anything beyond the end of your nose. It is truly a shame. And I write again, testifying in the heights that these things are really written for the benefit.
You might be surprised, but I'm not offended at all. I have enough self-confidence that my opinion won't depend on what you (don't) think of me. I actually know these types of people quite well. My father's entire side of the family is one of these people (leftist, religious haters) and I grew up with them. I occasionally meet them at celebrations and I'm supposedly on good terms with them, but they have no idea what I really think of them. I don't disagree with the complexity of reality, but in the end, sometimes reality is simple. That's also part of its complexity. In the end, these are tough and bitter people among them and I can't stand them. I also studied with such people in the Gush and even served with them in the IDF, and I don't go back. Today, these people are in crisis and most of them are on the verge of real betrayal. It's just that they don't know it yet. The rabbi is the one who grew up in a national religious family and thinks that his world is wide and big. Believe me, these things are not written lightly. I'm not interested in an internal war here in this country. It is true that these people are usually more infantile than evil, but their evil (which is also inherent in the Rabbi) is that they are slanderers (who use the media). Perhaps unconsciously. But slanderers are like a disease in the body of human society, so I stand by my words. In fact, the one who does not understand what is happening here is the Rabbi himself. He has already been in a situation where people he thought were his allies turned their backs on him (the ultra-Orthodox) and they even turned their backs on him without even noticing it. What else needs to happen for him to see that this is the case here too?
In fact, the main discussion here about reality, for me, is not only about today's reality but about what reality will be tomorrow. The rabbi looks at what he thinks is today's reality, but the main wisdom is to see the future. That is, the future. Where today's reality leads and to see how this future is already embodied in the present. The rabbi is a bit stuck in the past. He lives on the fumes of solidarity that existed while he was in the army, etc. And I look at future generations and they are simply different people. And I argue that from a non-superficial perspective, this already exists today and also existed in the past.
In fact, the rabbi is guilty of what he himself accuses me of (dismisses with a sneer). I argue that part of the complexity of reality is that it is sometimes simple. Otherwise, there was one simple thing about it (meaning it was not completely complex) - that it is complex. This is a well-known joke of the Goshniks about themselves (to paraphrase the Breslavs) - “Eta took a serious stance – Everything is complex”. The rabbi errs in this simplistic view that reality is always complex. So I disagree with this simplistic view and claim that sometimes reality is simple (meaning that reality is really “super complex”) and this is one of those cases. There is no excuse for the friendship between this lady and that Nazi. In the end, sometimes you have to ask yourself if the person is an enemy or a friend or indifferent (yes. Sometimes, after considering all sides, you have to decide. Deciding is not a dirty word. Most of the time, you don't have to, but sometimes you do. And in these cases that I'm talking about, I think it's time to decide). In my opinion, she was not a friend of Israel (or she was crazy, but that's not what we're talking about) or at least she is not a friend of mine.
In addition, a methodical note: I know that to some readers of the site, the things I write may seem strange. Well, they are definitely not things that are familiar to the general public. His claim about baseless things is simply a claim of "I don't see what you see, therefore it doesn't exist" (he puts it on the familiar) and anyway they also seem stupid to him. If he doesn't understand, he won't respond as he knows how to do, and that's perfectly fine. I personally know that many times he doesn't respond because he has nothing to answer (and not because it's stupid, but because he's wrong) and the rabbi has a tendency to ignore things that don't fit with his worldview. I'm not the only one here who has had this happen to him (sometimes he ignores people because they really say stupid things, but saying it isn't an argument against someone like that). And that's fine. It's a common human weakness. I'm really okay with it. But as the rabbi himself testified, I'm not that stupid (much to my great joy and relief), so I have some expectation that they will try to understand what I'm saying even if in the end they don't. You don't have to be emotional and foolish about everything you don't know. It's okay to be critical. And I really always hesitate whether to write or keep the verse "Do not speak in the ears of a fool, lest he despise the wisdom of the wise." But in the end, I don't write these things for them. I write for the innocent people who come here to the site and have not yet lost their common sense, who say that something is wrong with the rabbi and his opinion on various issues, only that they don't know what is wrong.
In addition, a bit of self-awareness. There is no point in the rabbi writing or pretending that he is doing something for my benefit. Between us, this form of expression is childish. The rabbi does it for his own benefit or to protect the world from me (in his opinion) and that is perfectly fine. There is no point in pretending. I respect enemies. I have a problem with imaginary friends.
Hello Rabbi.
I have a hard time understanding your response to Emmanuel.
A. Maybe Ruth Zell was different and I doubt it. But still the vast majority of people of peace etc. who are full of empathy towards our enemies towards refugees who are making fun in southern Tel Aviv towards the Bedouins and more.
They are completely devoid of empathy towards me, settlers, Haredi hill boys, families affected by terrorism, and more
(I'm afraid that if you don't agree with this, then your world is a little narrow, and if necessary, I can gather some support for my words from everyday stumbles.
Moreover, from personal acquaintances, the army, studies, trips, family. I must say that they are indeed so full of compassion towards the outside until you move their cheese. Go talk to them about compassion towards me, girls who are harassed by Arabs, about silencing right-wing people, about stone attacks in Israel, etc., etc. A kind of Christian compassion full of hypocrisy
B. Where is the limit in complexity?
Being friends with a mass murderer is something that should be passed down our throats?
This is cruelty beyond compare. How can you look the faces of the families of the murdered after being "friends" with such scum. (And if you come and tell me Bibi or Rabin, I will answer A. They wouldn't be friends with him B. Within the scope of their role). I am sure that in one-on-one conversations you can find good sides in the worst people. I still think that the boundaries should be clear and there is no point and purpose in getting close to such people.
I absolutely agree with your views on complexity, diversity of voices, and stepping out of position, but Ruth Dayan? Really? The monster's close friend? Is there room for an infinite spectrum of legitimacy?
This is the difference between getting to know a person directly, if you recognize them as a good person, then even if they make problematic decisions you remain in the loop. And by the way, I think there is no limit to complexity. If a person is an angel on the one hand, then they deserve credit for that even if they are a devil on the other.
Rudolf Franz Hess also didn't like Jews that much (like Ruth's boyfriend) but on the other hand he was full of love and tenderness for dogs.
On the one hand – and on the other hand. This is an unlimited complexity.
exactly
To Rabbi Mikhi
I am amazed at how you manage to gather evil people, haters of humanity, and especially those who hate you, to read your words? What do they have to do with your followers? Let them go and graze in other fields. Their words are steeped in the venom of their desire to shame you and to portray you as a traitor to Israel and as a fool. Is this the fulfillment of their desire?
As Shtisel says: Damned criminals!
The boys will play.
What is the meaning of the relationship between you and her?
I am a little surprised by the end of your words. The tone in which you rebuke the current march of life based on focusing on useless things, while the alternative you offer attributes meaning to the form rather than the content of the thing.
And if we approach the matter in a more prosaic way. The emphasis on who we are talking about, and not on what and how we analyze things, is surprising to me, especially when it comes from you. What is the great wisdom and advantage in talking about an ideological group that believes in these beliefs, compared to talking about reality culture and the deep insights that can be gained from observing and analyzing the phenomenon and the people within it?
I recently saw a thought-provoking and fascinating analysis of the series Rehearsals. A series whose entire essence corresponds with the “shallow” world. To say that it is less just because there is no rigid religion with rigid people is very strange to me, as if Rabbi Michi did not write the words.
Moshe, are you sure you're with us? What are you talking about? What does it have to do with the discussion? Where did you see in my words what you're opposing?
“It seems to me that it is worth all of us taking the opportunity to strengthen the antithesis to everything I have described here. To develop a focus on important and useful matters instead of the nonsense that fills the daily public discourse here in Israel. To engage with interesting and special personalities rather than political or media celebrities.” How exactly does focusing on the life and work of the lady contribute to what you wish for? Why is focusing on her better than focusing on a certain woman who bought X at store Y. Why does the fact that she hugged child murderers make her a more valuable and important factor to observe?
A wicked justifier and a righteous evildoer – both are an abomination to God. I recommend that the Rabbi move beyond the prohibition of flattery towards the wicked. With all due respect to the “deep and positive view of every person.” To the bringing of hearts together. To all sorts of slogans that the Rabbi himself has rejected in several articles. (And with all due respect to all this chatter of a person who truly believes that his way is the right one, then he is not truly wicked and that there is a difference between tolerance and the infinite inclusion of every opinion without a backbone. The space between the two things is very, very thin and slippery.) And it seems that today the Rabbi is very close to moving from a view of normal tolerance towards those with different opinions to postmodern behavior in which he includes every “nice and good person.” Even if according to the definitions of the Torah he was completely evil. And it would be like an enlightened cartoon of a kibbutznik whose only concern is
contribution to disadvantaged populations (a commendable and amazing work by Zionists. Which, in my humble opinion, is nullified in sixty. A person who really wants to contribute to the average person. And help the weak. Does not go to meetings and legitimize mass murderers who orphan small children from their fathers and make fathers cry for their sons - what kind of person who wants to help and promotes help for the weak behaves like this?)
. Let's not forget that according to Halacha there is a very strict law for a moral person. And legitimate treatment of mass murderers can come very close to this definition. And while the Rabbi of course disagrees with her cosmopolitan view, which I assume that in these cases of friendship with murderers of her own people you too will agree is a moral abomination. And of course, I disagree with all her religious offenses and secular worldview. What kind of friendship and common discourse can he find with a person whose actions really bring him closer to the definition of complete evil? And even more jarring to me is the fact that with all these enlightened cultural figures the Rabbi finds it appropriate to meet to discuss and teach virtue. But the Haredim as a population, despite their uncompromising devotion to the Torah, despite their many charitable organizations, despite their love and the bringing of hearts together in which they engage in the goal of returning every Jew to repentance, he treats them as a complete duty. And Torah personalities, like Rabbi Ovadia, the late Rabbi. And his son Shalit”a. I assume that the rabbi will also agree that much more is contributed to the people of Israel than that woman. The rabbi also discussed the obligatory portion. I assume that on the day of his passing (may the name be preserved). of Yitzhak Yosef Shalit”a. The rabbi will not write an apology column (for the unrestrained mockery of him as the ”chief idiot of Israel”). He will not visit his home and see his children. And he will not talk about friendly relations that developed. He will not praise him for the values that he passed on to his children and the future generation. And he will not praise him for the endless dedication in passing on Torah lessons. In bringing Jews closer to preserving the Torah and the Halacha. Again, a classic syndrome - in which it is not the essence of a person's actions that changes. But his style. How civilized and enlightened his style is. And it doesn't matter at all how much the first one, according to the Torah, is almost completely evil and the second one, according to the Torah, is almost an angel and a supreme righteous man. What a shame that the rabbi fell to this place and this way of conducting himself. See this response as constructive and gentle criticism. Who knows. Maybe if you go through it a few times. You'll find something there.
Good morning
The question is whether the funerals of great men of Israel, such as Rabbi Shteman, Rabbi HaGresh Eliashiv, etc., are also the ones that the rabbi usually goes to, because I don't remember any insights from the rabbi about them that intrigue me much more than the aforementioned woman. I have never known her (for some reason I heard about her husband, but his world doesn't interest me at all) and I don't find in my narrow world any desire to get to know her (I had a left-wing grandmother of the same breed who really impressed me with her noble qualities). On the other hand, I feel a strong desire to get to know the great men of Israel and to know every shred of insight. I would love to know if I was wrong, and the rabbi has a post about them.
Clarification: God forbid it be understood that I am expressing an opinion to the rabbi on what to write in his post and what not to, but rather I am expressing my wishes like a student who asks his rabbi which tractate he wants to study and love his soul.
Why are you busying yourself and us with vanity? Rabbi Michai is a troublemaker, writes from a position, condemns righteous people and trains damned criminals, goes to funerals or not, what is your business? Did you learn anything from his words? Blessed are you! You disagree with his words! Blessed are you. What is your obsession with vomiting up all your knowledge of philosophy, halacha, and philosophy on us all for nothing???
Calm down! We read Rabbi Michai and we have no interest in the shallow waters from which you peer!
You are tiresome!
Shmuel,
To each his own. I am certainly interested in Torah scholars and also go to the funerals of some of them. At least to those to whom I feel a connection. To the same extent, you could ask why I would go to the funeral of a relative of mine and not to the funeral of this or that rabbi. There is a connection that is not related to the degree of greatness. I suppose I would not have gone to Ruth's funeral because of her personality. I went because (my wife and I) had a connection. I definitely think that the media had room to address the event and her death more because of her personality. And this is also true with respect to important rabbis, of course.
Ariel, I assume that your words are aimed at the caricature and not at the last commenter. Beyond that, it's a shame to get heated. Everyone writes their own position, and as long as it is said within the framework of the rules of the discussion, there is a place for it. Everyone will decide whether they accept it or not.
May your strength be exalted.
In the name of the Lord, the Lord of the Worlds
Another thing that Ramada and Ruth Dayan have in common is: they were both born in Haifa 🙂
With greetings, Menashe Yishel Halevi Zuchmir
Her husband was a phenomenon in Anfi Rebarbin and his wife was a phenomenon in Anfim.