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A Look at Judaism and Jewish Identity: Part II (Column 337)

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

At the end of the previous column I was left with several puzzles. I described two talks by the Reform rabbi Buchdahl and said that, upon hearing them, a few reflections came to mind which together create an apparently insoluble limbo: 1) The content of her remarks does not look like Judaism, since these things could have been said verbatim in a (liberal) church or in a lecture to secular audiences (one must remember that Judaism is also a religion. We’ll discuss Jewish nationality later). These are universal values and insights that have no uniquely Jewish connection. 2) Surprisingly, the claim that this isn’t Judaism is not tied to her liberalism or even to her Reform identity, since synagogue talks by Orthodox rabbis—and even by staunchly conservative rabbis with messages entirely opposite to hers—could also be delivered in a (conservative) church. Those too, in my view, are not Judaism. This limbo leads us to wonder what Judaism even is (and not necessarily “who is a Jew,” which is a derivative question). The question is what distinguishes Judaism and can serve as a criterion or litmus test for belonging to it.

To deepen and sharpen the difficulty, let me recall what I wrote there: I fully agree with her that Judaism (as distinct from Jewishness, i.e., belonging to the Jewish people) cannot be defined on an ethnic–racial basis. The term “Judaism” is supposed to include some content or value basis and that is its essential part. But what is that content? From Buchdahl’s words one could ostensibly conclude that, in her view, it consists of commitment to moral values (opposition to racism, etc.). But I assume even she does not mean to say that anyone who opposes racism is a Jew, or that someone who supports racism is not a Jew (to say that every non-Jew, as such, supports racism is itself racist, and likely even Buchdahl would not accept that). I emphasize that I am not speaking of Judaism in the ethnic sense (which in her view does not exist at all). My remarks concern the content–essential plane of Judaism.

I cited there a passage from Buchdahl in which she explains that, for her, Judaism is entry into Jewish commitment and the Sinai covenant, but she does not spell out what that means. If so, we shift the puzzle from the question “What is Judaism?” to “What is included in that covenant that defines it?” In other words, it’s unclear what the convert’s declaration means: “I accept upon myself a Jewish commitment,” or “entry into the covenant.” And again, this question is directed equally at liberals, conservatives, Reform and Orthodox. No discrimination here.[1]

Because this point recurs again and again in discussions of Jewish identity, I wish to devote this column to sharpening it further. The issue touches on defining Jewish identity in general, but I’ll begin by examining secular Jewish identity, since discussing it sharpens the points I want to present even more. At the end I will return to the Reform identity that Buchdahl presents and try to examine the question of what differentiates it from the secular identity. Ultimately I’ll try to reach conclusions regarding a definition of Judaism—if only Orthodox—that actually holds water.

I want to open the discussion of secular Jewish identity through a 2004 debate between Kobi Arieli and Assaf Inbari. Some of you have surely heard me mention this debate more than once, since I have used it on several occasions to sharpen methodological points about reading and critical thinking. Here, though, I will distill their words and arguments on their own terms.

Kobi Arieli on the Shavuot Night Study at “Alma”

In 2004 the religious journalist Kobi Arieli wrote a column in Ma’ariv about Tel-Aviv Shavuot-night study events held at the pluralistic (secular) beit midrash “Alma” and at the Reform “Beit Daniel.” Instead of describing them I will bring his words verbatim:

There’s a common thread to these two Shavuot nights, north and center, that makes them, to my taste, infuriating: the lack of authenticity. The light fakery. The game of “as if.” The transparent trendiness. The adolescent, non-binding fashionability.

Both, Beit Daniel and Alma alike, speak of a Jewish experience. It may not be stated explicitly, yet a sweet whiff of “alternative” fills the air whenever a nicely designed Alma brochure is opened at a café corner. A Jewish alternative. I can do nothing but grasp my ancestors’ old craft—don a blunt, condescending zeal, as only a Haredi who studied in yeshiva knows how—and declare that this pseudo-religious Tel-Aviv scene, of readings and revolving tables, of “new readings,” “tikkunim” and narratives, not to mention the Reform and Conservative fringe scene, is pure gavava in the Talmudic sense. It may be Israeli culture, it’s certainly a kind of art, but Judaism? Not in this lifetime. Don’t let them fool you.

Nothing will help anyone. For the Jew in the Jewish state, where an overwhelming majority of stores don’t sell chametz on Passover, a Jewish experience is an elementary matter of connecting to one’s personal, familial, and national self. A Jewish experience for the Israeli Jew is like the texture of gefilte fish for an Ashkenazi or the smell of hilbeh for a Yemenite. True, not everyone experiences this regularly at a reasonable level, and it’s true there are those who perhaps never experienced it at all; be that as it may, even a one-time Jewish religious experience entails an inner connection to the collective genome, a tiny shard of which dwells in the heart of every Israeli Jew. What sense does it make, then, when one does try to experience it—to do so in such an alien “language” and framework, so estranged, so foreign?

There’s an embarrassing dissonance in the way this scene has managed to penetrate the fabric of cultural life and settle on the free niche of the yearning for Jewish-religious culture. Multiculturalism is fine for the individual and the society alike. On the other hand, when it comes in an illogical mix, it’s not multiculturalism but a tasteless pose game. You can have family life with a Moroccan rhythm and tempo while savoring European art with refined delicacy; you may break into a Middle-Eastern dance on a table at a sing-along while conducting your economic life with communist austerity. What you absolutely cannot do is live your entire cultural and spiritual life like a Levantine reserve soldier, sun-seared from barbecues, and at the same time experience your religious feelings in the very particular way a double-chinned prig in the Reform community of Boca Raton, Miami, Florida does. It’s not real, it doesn’t work, and it’s not us.

Let’s not bluff. As a platform for cultural dialectic, the Book of Ruth, with all its storytelling qualities, is no more than an okay text. What makes it a great, eternal, enchanting light is the formative meaning that deep-rooted Judaism pours into it.

Haredi intellectuals in the generation before mine risked their lives over the polemic surrounding the academization of the Bible and Talmud. I, of course, grew up in a cultural environment that rejected it utterly. But that’s not the point: go tell my father that 5,000 intelligent people in Tel-Aviv went on Shavuot night to hear Einat Fishbein and Ilana Hammerman talk about trafficking in women, and were convinced they had just done a Shavuot night study vigil. He won’t understand what you’re talking about.

There is only one authentic Judaism, which also fits the collective Israeli genetics, the language, the life-rhythm, and the truth. Yes, it’s in Bnei Brak and Jerusalem, in Efrat and Har Bracha, in Kiryat Sefer and Netivot—what can you do. It’s also a bit annoying and, unfortunately, not always welcoming, but anyone who wants it knows the way. I know it sounds awful, but whoever wants culture, fun, girls, and sympathy—let him go to Alma. Whoever wants Judaism—let him come spend Shabbat with us.

So why was Alma packed on Shavuot night? Because everyone goes to Alma—Alma, Alma—and everyone goes to yoga—yoga, yoga—and all the women moved to low-rise jeans and now returned to high-rise, and everyone’s into retro, and everyone’s into Kabbalah, and everyone’s interested, and everyone’s so spiritual. Bye. I’m going to throw up.

There are several themes in Arieli’s sharp critique, but I will focus here on one central point: What is Judaism? Arieli senses (as I do) that what goes on there is not Judaism, but in my opinion this is equally true of the synagogue talks by various rabbis, Reform and Orthodox, that I described in the previous column.

I think Arieli was imprecise in describing his feelings. Beyond the fact that his father likely wouldn’t understand Arieli’s own Jewish world either, in my assessment something entirely different disturbed him (and even if it didn’t disturb him, it does disturb me). I ask: What would we say about a Shavuot night study at the pre-military academy in Ali, where the Book of Ruth is studied and used to derive insights about conservatism and modesty, about self-sacrifice and devotion, about the institution of the family, about the duty to serve in elite IDF units, and the like? Would that count as Judaism? In my opinion, no. As I noted at the start of the column, all those messages could arise in a church study or a secular conservative group’s study of the Book of Ruth. And still, that wouldn’t be Judaism. Judaism is not defined as a set of liberal values, but neither is it defined as a set of conservative values. I’ll go further: liberal Jews are not less Jewish than conservative Jews. That’s not the determining parameter. In short, my intuition applies as well to the rabbi’s talk at the synagogue Arieli himself attends. And we return to the question: So what does determine Judaism?

Assaf Inbari’s Response

Assaf Inbari is a writer and man of letters and thought—broad-minded and fascinating. I have read quite a few of his books and articles and was definitely impressed. He deals extensively with Judaism, and in particular with secular Judaism. His (predictable, it must be said) response to Arieli’s words was published in Ma’ariv about a week later. His remarks touch on our topic only indirectly, but to complete and sharpen the picture I will bring them as well. There are tones of offense and comments about Arieli’s condescension and manner of discourse; I will ignore those here, for what matters to me are his arguments about what Judaism is:[2]

“There is only one authentic Judaism.” And that one, authentic Judaism is, of course, your Judaism. “Go tell my father,” you write, “that 5,000 intelligent people in Tel-Aviv went on Shavuot night to hear Einat Fishbein and Ilana Hammerman talk about trafficking in women and were convinced they had just done a Shavuot night study vigil. He won’t understand what you’re talking about.” Your father won’t understand? Give him some credit. If your father knows “the one, authentic Judaism of the Sages” better than you do, he will understand very well that a contemporary discussion of the Book of Ruth in Tel-Aviv in 2004 is no different from the midrashic study of the Book of Ruth in Tiberias and Pumbedita two thousand years ago, or in Ashkenaz, where the “Yalkut Shimoni” was compiled in the Middle Ages. “It is my intention to convert,” Ruth says to Naomi, according to a midrash in Yalkut Shimoni, “but it is better by your hand than by another’s. When Naomi heard this, she began to lay out the laws of converts for her. She said to her: My daughter, it is not the way of the daughters of Israel to go to the theaters and circuses of the gentiles. She said to her: ‘Where you go, I will go.’ She said to her: It is not the way of Israel to dwell in a house that has no mezuzah. She said to her: ‘Where you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God my God.’ Had you lived in the generation of the authors of that midrash, you would have complained that they are forcing upon the “one, original-biblical Judaism” meanings that have no basis in the Bible. Were there “laws of converts” in the period of the Judges? Were there Roman theaters and circuses then? Were there mezuzot in the tents of Judah? The Sages, using the biblical scroll, dealt with the problems that troubled their time; with current affairs. They were troubled, for example, by the danger of being seduced by the charms of the competing Roman culture (just as many of us today are troubled by the mass culture spread by the United States), and they used the Book of Ruth to discuss that danger. The midrashic, contemporizing use of the Bible was the Sages’ pattern of ideological discourse. Had you continued in their way, you would be treating a topic that disturbs today’s peace of mind in light of the sources. Say, trafficking in women.

“Whoever wants Judaism,” you write, “let him come spend Shabbat with us.” “With us?” Excuse me, with whom exactly? With the Breslover in Safed? With the Chabadnik in Brooklyn? With the students of Mercaz HaRav in Ofra and Beit El? With Neturei Karta? With Baba Baruch in Netivot? With the kollel men of Ponovezh? With a Haredi professor at the Hebrew University? Or does “with us” mean the Arieli family, holders of the “one, authentic” Judaism?

The Haredi and religious public in its varieties is not “one,” and never was. The biblical split between priests and prophets and between the culture of Judah and that of Israel; the Hellenistic split between Sadducees and Pharisees; the Mishnaic split between Hillel and Shammai; the Talmudic split between the Bavli and the Yerushalmi; the medieval split between the Jewish diasporas in Christian Europe and those in the Islamic world; the split between Hasidim and Mitnagdim and Maskilim (who, for your information, were almost all religious and outstanding scholars)—and the 20th-century split of Orthodoxy into various Hasidic and Lithuanian streams, some Zionist and some anti-Zionist—this is only part of the splitting of that “one” religion between the Haredi streams and all the other movements, from Religious Zionist (which, as you know, is also not monolithic) through Conservative and on to Reform.

Every stage in the history of the religion of Israel was revolutionary in relation to its predecessor. The prophetic stage was revolutionary relative to the earlier cultic stage; the institution of the synagogue effected a revolution (prayer as a substitute for sacrifices); and the tannaitic-amoraic beit midrash effected a revolution. You hate revolutions.

Not only was halakhic Judaism of the Sages revolutionary, it also was not “one.” There is no Jewish doctrine; Judaism is not Christianity. Halakhah is walking—creative activity—and as such, it is the opposite of stagnation. In the five hundred years of the Talmudic era, halakhic and aggadic creativity developed with unceasing momentum of creative renewal, amid unceasing, fascinating disputes between the sages. There were different and even contradictory schools. There were rationalists like Rabbi Ishmael and mystics like Rabbi Akiva. There were sages serious to the point of awe and sages filled with a spirit of play. There is no book in the world as alive and polyphonic as the Talmud; no book farther, like the polyphonic Talmud, from your monolithic conception of “Judaism.”

And Jewish creativity did not end with the Talmud. It continued in the Middle Ages with constant change and with unceasing splitting into clashing currents. Is the “one, authentic” Judaism the one presented by Maimonides, Aristotle’s devotee, in the Guide for the Perplexed, or is it the anti-philosophical thesis presented by Judah Halevi in his Kuzari? And how do Maimonides and R. Judah Halevi reconcile with the conceptual world of the Zohar? These are three completely different models of “Judaism,” each different not only from the other two, but from every previous stage in Jewish creativity.

Shall we go on to the Ari? To the Maharal? To Ramchal? To the Baal Shem Tov? To Moses Mendelssohn? To R. N. Krochmal? To Rabbi Kook? To Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik? The Jewish world of the observant was never unitary and rigid. It was always a living tree, with many branches. The rigid, “one” Judaism you presented is a tree cut down and sawed into a log.

I wonder how many of the directions that developed in Orthodox Judaism from the Sages to this day are legitimate at all by your tree-stump view. As for your alienation from the non-Haredi directions of Jewish culture, I do not wonder; I only regret it. If Bialik and Gordon, Agnon and Tchernichovsky are not included in your Jewish world; if Rabbi Kook and all Religious Zionism are not included in your story of Judaism’s development; if in secular Israeli culture you have found not a single literary, artistic, or intellectual work in which the sources of Judaism resound and are renewed—no wonder that a Shavuot night study a-la-Alma shakes your small, shuttered world.

“Everyone goes to Alma because everyone goes to yoga,” you wrote, and proved how shuttered you are; how you fail to distinguish between one secular person and another. Secular people who nurture their Jewish heritage and secular people who nurture their flexibility in a yoga course—this is the same public, of ignoramuses, from your point of view. From the angle of your blindness…

As noted, this response is predictable, and I assume many similar ones are voiced in circles of secular Judaism (the phenomenon of the “Bookshelf” and secular batei midrash). Precisely because it is so predictable and so charming to the ears of a contemporary person, it is worth examining this claim.

Critique

I’ll start with a methodological remark that will lead us to the point. Inbari employs here a common and irritating demagogic argument that can be phrased thus: “You have no monopoly on ___ (fill in the blank).” He points out that the concept “Judaism” has diverse and varied manifestations, and uses that to reject the claim that a given manifestation is not Judaism. Is a concept that has many and varied manifestations necessarily completely open-ended? Is it enough to point to disagreements among shades and different approaches throughout Jewish history in order to defend the assertion that approach X is also Judaism, whatever X may be? By that logic, those who go to do yoga are also engaged in Judaism. So why is Inbari offended by that comparison? It’s clear he too assumes there must be something common that threads all those fractured manifestations and shades onto the same strand called “Judaism,” and yoga isn’t on it. So what is that common thing, in his view? Without offering a criterion, or at least some characterization, his claim is empty demagoguery.

To be fair, one should note that Kobi Arieli also offers no criterion. He claims Judaism has a scent like gefilte fish that we all recognize, and that this universal sense of smell says that Alma’s or Beit Daniel’s vigil isn’t Judaism. That’s hard, and perhaps unnecessary, to argue with (though my nose says the same). Inbari has a different sense of smell; so what do you claim against him? Are you simply declaring how your olfactory sense is built? It’s hard to accept that such a declaration is worth an op-ed column. There must be a claim in the background. In other words, Arieli too needed to present some criterion when disqualifying something and excluding it from Judaism. He should show why the talk in his father’s synagogue or the Shabbat meal at their home is Judaism, whereas what is done at Alma and Beit Daniel is not.

There’s a sense that dealing with trafficking in women is a universal value. Belgians and Zimbabweans can deal with it and say exactly the same things. Perhaps that explains Arieli’s feeling. But what would we say about a talk whose content is the trait of humility? Surely such talks are also given in Mr. Arieli’s (father’s) synagogue. Is that Judaism? And what about a talk about coping with crises (like Buchdahl’s first talk in the previous column)? Or a talk on the importance of the “Jewish” family? Those are certainly talks often given in highly conservative synagogues. Yet I have already noted that such talks could be given in churches as well. So what exactly bothers Kobi Arieli? Perhaps it really was just his sense of smell. But I ask myself what bothers me—or what is the principled basis for the non-Jewish scent that accompanies Alma’s vigil?

I’ll go further. I think Inbari is quite right to claim that the Sages and the scholars throughout the generations did exactly the same thing. They too extracted values and insights relevant to themselves and to their contemporaries from the sources, even when they are not really there (and I’m putting it gently. See column 52 on derush and pilpul). True. Therefore, we must admit that what they did in that way wasn’t really Judaism either. As I said, my critique is not about the content of the messages—liberal or conservative—but about the very discourse and its methodology. Something in that wrapping does not look like a good criterion for Judaism. This does not mean that Jews don’t do this, or even that they shouldn’t. I only claim that such activity cannot serve as the touchstone that defines Judaism.

What remains, then, is only the claim that Jews extract these values from the Book of Ruth (yeah, right),[3] while others will extract them from the Upanishads, the New Testament, or To Kill a Mockingbird. Hence Buchdahl asserts that her opposition to racism is Judaism, hence Inbari argues that Alma’s vigil, which derives opposition to trafficking in women from Ruth, is also Judaism. Likewise with talk of the Jewish family or the condemnation of homosexuality in the study hall in Ali. I see no other criterion indicating why all these are Judaism. Now I ask you: Is it reasonable that what defines Judaism is merely the text or source from which you extract your value, regardless of the value itself? You may be surprised, but quite a few people will say yes (see more on this in the next column). I really think that one who defines the study of Hasidut or mussar works as Judaism is making the same mistake (at least regarding a significant portion of their content). These are principles not unique to Torah and Judaism, and the only thing “Jewish” is that the sources teaching them are printed in Rashi script. They are psychological, spiritual, and moral principles that, at least for the most part, any gentile can also engage with and see as his own. Therefore none of these can serve as the essential definition of Judaism.

For readers familiar with my view of Bible study, let me clarify that I do not intend here to enter the question of whether such activity can be considered “study,” or “Bible study” (in my opinion the answer is: absolutely not, and again not). That’s not our subject here (I elaborated on it in the second book of the trilogy). Here I am seeking a definition of Judaism. What does that amorphous, vague concept include if so many different and opposing shades nest under it? If both Hasidim and Mitnagdim, both Kabbalah and those who oppose it, both Maskilim and conservatives, liberals and revolutionaries—all are engaged in Judaism, then what is the essential content of that amorphous concept called “Judaism”? And more than that, I ask: what is the touchstone that will serve as a measure to determine what is Judaism and what is not?

Interim Summary

I do not intend to claim that statements like “the Torah or God expects us to oppose trafficking in women,” to support or oppose new family models, and so on, are untrue. All these statements may be true, but they cannot be the touchstone of Judaism. Moreover, in my opinion it is also unlikely that engaging in such topics be considered “Torah study,” but that is not our concern here.

I have repeatedly distinguished between Torah in the gavra and Torah in the cheftza. There are quite a few contents and values whose study has important value—even important Jewish value. I assume many of us will agree that a Jew ought to oppose trafficking in women and racism (at least in some of its senses). In any case, these are certainly legitimate claims. But in my view, the same applies to a gentile. Therefore one cannot see those values as the foundational basis for defining “Judaism.”

Here I seek the content-based touchstone for the term “Jew,” i.e., what a Jew is and what Judaism is on the content-essential plane (not Jewishness in the ethnic-racial sense): what must occur for me to say that a person or a group is or is not Jewish? From Inbari’s list one can learn that it is unlikely to see any set of values whatsoever as that touchstone. Not a liberal set nor a conservative set. Not Hasidic nor Mitnagdic. Not Maskilic nor “wagon-driver.” Not Zionist nor Haredi. Not right-wing nor left-wing. None of these is a plausible candidate to constitute the touchstone of Judaism. So, returning now to Buchdahl, I again wonder what can define Judaism—on her view and in general.

Secular Judaism Is Necessarily Defined on a Racial–Ethnic Basis[4]

In the previous column I cited Buchdahl’s claim that it is wrong to define Judaism on an ethnic–racial basis, and I wrote that I fully agree. Ironically, it is precisely Inbari—the liberal secularist—who presents an explicitly racist conception: Judaism is anything Jews do. I cannot see in his words any other criterion that threads together the whole list he brought (and it’s questionable regarding Jews who do yoga). From the fact that all the movements and shades he described were Jewish, he infers as self-evident that everything they did was Judaism. Hence Alma’s or Beit Daniel’s vigil is necessarily Judaism. I’ve already explained that his logic implies this is true of whatever Jews happen to do, for he never defined what distinguishes the pursuits he listed.

Surprisingly, his approach is the distilled essence of the approach Buchdahl opposes. Inbari offers a racial–ethnic definition of Judaism: anyone who engages the sources and ideas created by those whose mothers were Jewish is “Jewish” in content. One who writes literature and poetry in Hebrew (and Yiddish), one who speaks of Zionism, of political thought, of moral theories (whose noteworthy trait is that their exponents had Jewish mothers), and the like. It is precisely the sweeping breadth of his definition that leaves us only the racial–ethnic criterion. According to Inbari there seems to be no content limit on “Judaism” and on who is a Jew. What counts is only descent (or your mother).

Incidentally, this is almost a necessary corollary of a secular worldview. Judaism, in its secular sense, cannot be defined on any other basis. No wonder we constantly hear people defining their secular Judaism: “My Judaism is opposition to racism, equality, human and civil rights, peace, being the target of antisemitic persecution (my grandfather was murdered by the Nazis), or using Jewish sources (as inspiration only, of course).” Such empty definitions are unavoidable, since there is no other substratum for defining secular Judaism. If you ask for a content definition for “Jew” or “Judaism,” there is none. There are technical features (speaking Hebrew, reading this or that literature, using certain sources), but none is unequivocal. There are non-Jews who use those same sources, are committed to those same values, and speak those same languages. Conversely, there are Jews who do none of the above—and we would still agree to call them Jews.[5]

Back to Buchdahl

Let us return to Buchdahl. We rejected the possibility of tying Judaism to commitment to moral values. We also rejected the possibility of grounding Judaism in deriving universal moral values from Torah sources. She herself uses other sources as well (as do Orthodox rabbis, of course). Buchdahl also rejects Judaism based on a racial–ethnic basis, unlike Inbari and secular definitions (it is no accident that she is a rabbi, i.e., holds a religious office). It seems that, in her view, there must also be a religious dimension to the definition of Judaism—and in that I agree with her. But for her, that dimension is not the halakhic one. So what is it?

Belief in God is not uniquely Jewish. Moreover, I have often read statistics that many Jews—and many Reform rabbis—do not believe in God. For them, Judaism is a kind of culture and heritage and is not necessarily connected to belief.[6] I don’t know Buchdahl’s position regarding God, but I noticed that He wasn’t mentioned even once in the talks I heard.

Belief in the Sinai revelation (at least as a historical event) is also not a good candidate, for two reasons: many gentiles (Christians and Muslims) believe it happened historically. And she herself apparently does not believe it as a historical event (or at least many of her Reform rabbinic colleagues don’t; this is embedded in Reform theology. Those who don’t believe in God likely don’t believe in Sinai, unless they hold it was a subjective, suggestive vision). So what, on her view, defines Judaism? How is it different from Inbari’s secular definition, which is necessarily racial and ethnic? She contends there is a content-value definition. What is it?

Yair Ettinger, in his article mentioned in the previous column, brings several hints in her name toward solving the riddle:

Jews are all those who decided to cast off their lives, flee oppression, and gather in a place where they can be free and serve a God who will redeem them. That is the meaning of being Jewish. And you can join this mission. Anyone can take part in the Jewish memory. If you want to join us, you too must stand at Sinai…

Aha, here a deity is already mentioned (though I’m not sure this isn’t a stock phrase, or perhaps a subjective notion of God). Fine—but she surely doesn’t mean that as a binding and exhaustive definition, since according to it any freedom-seeking Christian or Muslim would also be Jewish. They too want to cast off their lives, flee oppression, and serve a God who will redeem them. I also don’t suppose the place is the determinant (“to gather in a place”), since she lives in the U.S. alongside many secular people and atheists who aren’t waiting for any God to redeem them. Perhaps you’ll say that for Christians or Muslims it isn’t the Jewish God; but then I ask: who is “the Jewish God”? The One who created the world? Who revealed Himself at Sinai? In short, we have again returned through the back door to the question of what the term “Jewish” means. One cannot use it to define itself.[7]

Later in that piece Ettinger adds, in her name, the following:

In America there was a movement called “Ethical Culture.” It was founded by Reform Jews who ultimately wanted to take all the most important universal values of Judaism—like that we were all created in the image of God—and separate them from religion. But you know, it didn’t survive, because if you don’t have the particularity of rituals, of holidays, of the Jewish calendar and a shared language; if you don’t have some of that particularism, then nothing gives it a sticking power that remains.

Here some particular dimensions enter, beyond universal values (“we were created in the image” is of course used here metaphorically, as is customary among secular people, since many in that movement didn’t believe in God at all). Her rationale is that without this, the thing doesn’t survive; that’s hard for me to accept as a substantive argument. Is the definition of Judaism whatever manages to survive? There should be some content definition. What exactly is supposed to survive to be considered Judaism? The question is whether it’s true, not whether it’s conducive to survival. It appears the question of truth doesn’t interest her.

When she does move toward some content definition of Judaism, she adds some religious components: rituals, synagogue, holidays, the calendar, and the like. But even that is hard to accept and even to define. Is Judaism the use of certain rituals? Which rituals? The rituals she uses are not mine. And mine are not those used by Moses our teacher or Rabbi Akiva, or even Rabbi Nachman of Breslov or Rabbi Judah the Pious. In general, it’s hard to accept a definition of Judaism that is based on empty rituals—i.e., on the idea that anyone who performs action X at time Y is Jewish. One is supposed to believe in something or be obligated to something, and that ought to underlie the rituals. Otherwise Judaism is just the performance of some random katas. So I insist again: what is that something—beliefs, values, or obligations—that constitutes Judaism?

The Meaning of Halakhah in the Discussion: What Is “Judaism”?

There is no escaping the conclusion that several commenters to the previous column already noted (those who know my outlook likely anticipated this). The definition of Judaism is commitment to halakhah. That and nothing more. Everything around it (including Inbari’s entire list and more) are frills and flowers at best, but not part of the core. The Sinai covenant to which we are to belong and commit is the covenant to fulfill the commandments of God given to us there. That’s it. No value, belief, insight, or anything else can be part of the touchstone of Judaism (Isaiah III beat me to it here: “Who has preceded Me that I should repay?”). If you check now, you’ll see this commitment is indeed exclusive. No gentile is obligated to it, and even if he feels obligated he is mistaken. If he wishes to obligate himself, he must convert—then he joins Judaism and becomes obligated.

As noted, Judaism is not defined on an ethnic or racial basis, and therefore whoever wishes—welcome. But it entails accepting the yoke of the commandments, and only that. Studies of Jewish history or various worldviews, literature and poetry, Bible, rituals, and other such vegetables are frills and flowers, but not part of the necessary process of conversion. Conversion is the acceptance of the yoke of the commandments. A convert who declares that he accepts the yoke of opposing trafficking in women, inequality, or racism remains a thoroughgoing gentile (even if he undergoes circumcision and immersion). Likewise, a gentile who takes upon himself Breslov-style hitbodedut or Hasidic dancing and daily study of Hasidic teachings, including probing the biblical root of his soul—he too is a certified gentile. Likewise a gentile who takes upon himself the lofty value system of the rabbis of Ali and Rabbi Tau and becomes active and votes for the Noam party—he too is a gentile. In contrast, a gentile who takes upon himself the yoke of the commandments, even if he voices racist and chauvinistic views, and even if he spurns Hasidut and Mitnagdism and whatever else you wish from Inbari’s list—he is a kosher Jew (though in some cases a wicked one).

Of course one can define Judaism differently—say, as the congregation of those who oppose racism or chauvinism, or the congregation that denounces LGBT people and guards a woman’s inner modesty. Definitions of concepts are clay in the potter’s hand. But such a definition is arbitrary and does not fit accepted usage (and, as noted, is also racist and/or paternalistic, as it declares that explicit gentiles are Jews against their will, or alternatively refuses to recognize the Judaism of kosher, declared Jews against their will). Here perhaps enters Arieli’s gefilte-fish sense, for it is clear to any person of understanding (or with a sense of smell) that this definition doesn’t hold water.[8]

It is important to understand that Jewishness in the “ethnic” sense is also defined on this basis. It is easy to get confused when one sees that Judaism’s attitude to the secular is to treat them as Jews even though they do not conduct themselves as Jews (by this definition there is no essential difference between them and any gentile), while gentiles—even if they wish to convert and believe in the Torah—are not Jews so long as they have not converted. Seemingly this means our definition of “Judaism” is ethnic. But that is an error. First, they can convert despite their different ethnic origin. Beyond that, the definition of Judaism is commitment to halakhah, not halakhic conduct. Jewish conduct is conduct in accordance with halakhah. But note that the definition of Jewishness (that is, who is a Jewish person, not who behaves like a Jew) is determined by who is obligated to halakhah (even if he himself does not acknowledge it), not by who behaves according to halakhah. Jewish conduct—that is, Judaism—is obedience to halakhah. Jewishness, by contrast, is belonging (even if not conscious) to the group obligated to halakhah. Here runs the fault line between Jewishness and Judaism. A Jewish person can behave in a non-Jewish manner. If he does not in fact behave so, then he is a sinful Jew (a Jew who does not fulfill his obligation)—i.e., he is Jewish in the ethnic sense (in the sense of Jewishness) but his conduct is not Jewish (there is no Judaism there). That obligation, of course, comes either on an ethnic basis (born to a Jewish mother) or on the basis of conversion, but the definition of “Judaism” is not ethnic (the definition of “Jewishness” is partly ethnic). Therefore, as Buchdahl claims, and contrary to Inbari, ethnicity is not essential to Judaism (and not even to Jewishness). In other words, Jewishness does not define Judaism; rather, Judaism defines Jewishness.[9]

To my understanding, there is no other content definition of Judaism that holds water. My disagreement with Reform and secular people (and also with many Orthodox who do not see Jewish identity as constructed exclusively on halakhah) is not a debate between two positions. I don’t think there exists any other position that holds water. The definition of Judaism is necessarily religious and is founded solely on halakhah—there is no other. The phrase “secular Judaism” is, in my view, an oxymoron—not merely an erroneous conception—and this a priori, even before hearing all the proposals to fill it with content. Of course one may propose national definitions of Jewishness, as with any other people. Here I am dealing with Judaism as a religion, not as a nation—with values, not facts. I will discuss the connection between these two distinctions, and their meaning, in the next column. But first, one more important remark.

Judaism in the Gavra and in the Cheftza

Several times in the past I have distinguished between Torah in the gavra and Torah in the cheftza (I elaborate on this in the trilogy’s second book). Torah in the cheftza is “Torah” in a very narrow sense compared to common usage—namely halakhah and its interpretation, and nothing more. Torah in the gavra is “Torah” in a very broad sense: any study of human, intellectual, cultural, and moral value, and so forth. This includes literature, psychology, philosophy, various scientific fields, Hasidut, Bible, mussar, Jewish thought (yes, all of these. There is no difference between studying Kant and studying the Guide for the Perplexed, or between studying Hasidut and reading Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment, and so on. See the second book). The upshot is that studying these subjects can count as “Torah” if done to enrich your halakhic/Torah world, but it is not Torah in an objective sense. If you engage in it and it does not contribute to you, in my view it is a valueless pursuit (bitul Torah), unlike halakhah and halakhic analysis.

Engaging in areas of Torah in the gavra is, of course, not unique to Judaism. All these areas are studied and taught by gentiles as well. Moreover, their contents are not “Jewish.” Morality, literature, science, and philosophy are by definition universal. I do not judge a scientific or moral claim by the criterion of whether it is “Jewish,” but by whether it is true and worthy. My gentile colleague will do the same. Therefore such study can have great value (perhaps no less than Torah study), but it is not Torah in the cheftza (not Torah in the objective sense). So far my claims in the second book of the trilogy.

Here I wish to add a point relevant to our matter. Defining “Torah” by domains of Torah in the gavra is logically ridiculous. A definition is supposed to contain the features unique to the concept defined. One cannot define “human” by the criterion “has a nose,” though that is true, because other creatures have noses as well. Likewise, it’s incorrect to define Judaism via engagement in Hasidut or Bible, or adherence to certain moral values (liberal or conservative). None of this is unique to Torah and Judaism, and therefore it’s wrong to base the definition of those concepts on it. For some reason, people think that if some pursuit is important, it must be “Torah” or “Judaism” in the constitutive sense. That is simply not true.

Returning to Buchdahl and Inbari (and likely also Kobi Arieli), this is the point on which I disagree with them. Inbari’s list does not offer a definition of Judaism because it rests on an ethnic criterion. Some of the groups on his list are, in my view, indeed “Judaism” in the content sense—but only because they were all obligated to halakhah (those that weren’t are groups of Jewishness only in the ethnic sense. They contain Jewishness but not Judaism). Secularism, kibbutz socialism, Hebrew literature—these are not phenomena that belong to Judaism (content-wise) but at most to Jewishness (because they were done by Jews). As for Buchdahl, my disagreement is that she and her peers are not committed to halakhah in any way. It’s not that they offer a different interpretation (like the Conservatives). There is simply no commitment to halakhah in any sense. There are rituals they themselves decide upon (influenced by our tradition) as cultural folklore, not as something binding. It is mainly a cultural recommendation, not a value content. In addition, there are values there, of course—like anti-racism and equality—but these are not Jewish values (though God does indeed obligate us to them, in my view).

One cannot build a definition of Judaism when its touchstones are non-essential and non-unique features—even if we think they are correct and indeed required of every Jew (and of every human). Buchdahl offers a definition of Judaism built only on subjective components (Torah in the gavra) without the unique, objective components (Torah in the cheftza—halakhah). We might call this “Judaism in the gavra.” It is akin, in my view, to defining the touchstone for personhood as having a nose or kidneys. I’m willing to accept that these are correct values, even important Jewish traits, and I also think that any Jew ought to adhere to them (at least some of them, in some interpretation), yet he ought to adhere to them as a human being, not as a Jew (every Jew is also a human being).[10] Moreover, one who does not adhere to them is, in my eyes, still a Jew—perhaps a wicked one—not a non-Jew.

Finally, I’m sure some readers will feel that all this is somewhat trivial. I disagree. Ask those who haven’t read these columns, and even if they are Orthodox they will usually tell you there are values that are essentially Jewish and that these constitute Judaism. It’s common to think (and I too agree) that the performance of commandments comes to express certain values. Therefore people don’t tend to see the very performance of commandments as Judaism.[11] The rabbis of Ali will explain that a conservative family, discrimination against women, restricting the steps of homosexuals, orderly study of the “white Shas” (the writings of Rabbi Kook), and being a brave commando in Sayeret Matkal—this is the essence of Judaism; while Buchdahl, in contrast, will say that fighting racism and for equality is Judaism. Each loads Judaism with his own values and then thinks this is Judaism’s essence. My main claim is that they are all making the same mistake. Hence I must stress again that my words are not about the content of the talks and the nature of the values proposed as touchstones of being a Jew, nor about whether I agree or disagree with those values. I reject the definitions offered by liberals and conservatives, Reform and Orthodox (at least most of them),[12] Maskilim, writers and poets, secular and Haredi alike. So who said I’m not egalitarian?…

[1] Don’t worry; I will get to halakhah later.

[2] Copying the text involved many distortions which I tried to correct. If needed, you can compare to the original.

[3] I do not enter here the painful question of whether this can really be derived from the Book of Ruth. Hint: absolutely not. We all understand that those studying at Alma brought with them opposition to trafficking in women from home and did not extract it from the scroll. But it’s not only Alma’s learners; this is true of all Bible study. This of course leads us into the endless debate about whether one can learn anything from the Bible (hint: no), and whether anyone ever drew from the Bible a message he didn’t already accept (unless he came to attack).

[4] On this issue and on Jewish identity in general, see my article here.

[5] Someone sent me a link a few days ago to this discussion:

https://103fm.maariv.co.il/programs/media.aspx?ZrqvnVq=IDLKDL&c41t4nzVQ=FJF

Here there’s an argument in which the journalist Ben Caspit fails to answer the question “In what way are you Jewish?” He is, of course, one hundred percent certain he is Jewish, but he doesn’t really manage to offer a rationale and basis (apparently by virtue of Kobi Arieli’s sense of smell). In the end he manages to offer something: for him, the matter of chesed (loving-kindness) passes genetically. This is a strange criterion, both because it is racist and because it is detached from reality (certainly in our day). I would have liked to confront him with the question of whether he thinks there are no gentiles in whom that gene is embedded, and even whether he thinks Jews have it more. I very much doubt it. In any case, note that the only thing he manages to present is a genetic–racial definition (he could, of course, have claimed he is Jewish because his mother is Jewish. That criterion is far more persuasive, except that it concerns Jewishness rather than Judaism. He too understood there must be a content dimension in defining “Judaism”). And that is exactly my point.

[6] On this, see a (tendentious) review on the Ratio site here.

[7] Though this loopiness is very common in discussions of Jewish identity. Think how many times you’ve heard someone say: In my eyes, a Jew is anyone who perceives/defines himself as a Jew (and the punctilious add: none of you has a monopoly on Judaism).

[8] Some readers will surely ask whether there can be correct and incorrect definitions. Seemingly a definition is arbitrary. Well, no. See column 251 and also column 108, and many more.

[9] A paraphrase of Buchdahl’s remarks cited in the previous column, regarding the relation between race and racism.

[10] This reminds me of my article on Israeli law, where I explained why extracting universal laws from halakhah into Israel’s statute book is not “inserting Jewish law” into the statute book (to the extent this has any value at all; in my view it doesn’t). Those laws are not unique to Jewish law and are not extracted because they are part of halakhah but because they suit the Israeli legislator. See my remarks there.

[11] I too do not view observance done without commitment—à la Ahad Ha’am (who saw the commandments as a cultural instrument)—as Judaism. I speak of observance out of obligation to God’s command.

[12] Those who believe “there is gold under the tiles,” in the words of my friend Nadav Shnerb (who also mentioned this in a comment to the previous column and elaborated more in this thread on the Azach”H forum). The claim (at least mine) is that indeed there is gold there, but it is not what defines the act as a mitzvah and us as Jews.

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  1. Happy Holidays!
    Even if we determine that the touchstone is the ‘commitment to the law’, we must still ask and clarify: A. What is that law? Who has the authority to determine it? What are its basic assumptions? Who and how is authorized to clarify this commitment.
    B. Why not see the extension of the law to fishing’ Yoga can also be seen as an extension of ’and guard yourselves for yourselves, and so on’. Likewise, engaging in wages for women or in values and virtues would be part of the commandment ‘and walk in His ways’, and likewise, engaging in philosophy would be exempt from the commandment to know God’ and so on the path?
    May you be strong!
    Ariel

    1. These are important questions, but they are not essential to this discussion. If someone offers an interpretation of the law and is committed to it, they fall under this definition. It is possible to argue whether their interpretation is correct or not, but that is not important. Like any halachic dispute.
      If someone goes to yoga as part of their daily routine and sees it as a halachic obligation, then they are indeed practicing Judaism.

  2. I would be happy to clarify why Judaism is not a nation
    (I also read the first column and thought that perhaps the current column would have more explanation of the matter)
    My understanding, and thus the view that appears in Rabbi Kook in many places (this is not binding on his part, but it seems that these words of Rabbi Kook should be discussed) is that Judaism is a nation, the meaning is that it passes through the mother or through conversion, the essence of conversion is precisely the acceptance of being part of the nation and this is done through conversion, once a person is part of Israel, then the obligation of the mitzvot applies to him anyway (I will note that this is related to whether the acceptance of the mitzvot retroactively delays conversion).
    This can be seen in the Bible (although it is impossible to learn anything new from it 🙂 ) When D’ speaks to the fathers, he does not talk to them about observing the mitzvot, but what stands out is that he talks to them about establishing a nation - the multiplication of the seed and the Land of Israel, this appears in every promise that D’ Gives to the fathers, even in the Exodus from Egypt the appeal to the people of Israel is national and only before the giving of the Torah does God offer them the Torah and the people say, "We will do and we will hear."
    Thank you.

    1. Where did I write that she is not a nation? Are you sure you read? Wait for the next column.

      1. You wrote that Judaism is not a racial or ethnic issue. What is the difference between that and nationality?

        1. I think I've already written to you at least twice that the debate on nationality will come, and that there is a Jewish nationality. What's the point of repeating the same claim/statement over and over again?

  3. The discussion reminds me a bit of the first Rashi in the Torah, Rashi brings from Rabbi Isaac why the Torah did not begin in this month for you. The premise of the question, and also the answer according to the Sages' oral explanation, is based on the understanding that the essence of Judaism is the law, but the Ramban was puzzled by Rashi and wrote: And one should ask about it, because it is a great necessity to begin the Torah in the beginning, when God created, because it is the root of faith, and whoever does not believe in this and thinks that the world is ancient, is primarily an infidel and has no Torah at all. He will be punished for prolonging it.

  4. It's completely arbitrary. Just because my mother is Jewish does that obligate me to observe the commandments?

    1. Just like the law in the country requires citizens who were not born when it was enacted. Just because they were born here?!

      1. The condemned person is not like the witness. A citizen of the country is not commanded to keep the law, but if he breaks it, sanctions will be applied against him. A person from Israel, on the other hand, is commanded to keep the Torah even without the observance of any sin and even if he does not believe.

        1. It is completely similar. A person is bound by the law and only because of this is there justification for punishing him. Those who are not bound by the law are not punished. The notions that a person is not bound by the law but is punished nonetheless are a completely unreasonable formalism. Therefore, legal thought is full of discussions about the basis for the obligation to obey the law, and is not satisfied with the force-deterrence consideration.

          1. The laws of the state are necessary laws for social life. Citizens are bound by the laws of the state not “because they were born here”, but because that is how social life must appear.
            On the other hand, the laws of the Torah are not necessary for human life, and therefore it makes no sense to bind him only because of his mother.

            1. The fact that the laws of the state are necessary for social life (which is also a matter of debate) does not mean that I have to follow them. And the fact is that they apply to citizens of the state and not to others. In other words, your origin is the basis of your commitment to them. And your assumption regarding the laws of Halacha is also not clear to me. They are completely necessary for human life. Without them, life is not worth much.

              1. Why is a person's life without Halacha not worth much, assuming that there is no reward in the form of a halakhah or a halakhah, etc., and that this does not bring him any benefit in the end?

                What, because you believe that you are probably contributing to some kind of education for the Creator? Even though after your death, you will not know or feel anything about it, and as if you were not there, yet in this temporary moment of the world you feel that your life is worth it, you probably feel satisfaction from fulfilling the Creator's will/need, by which you mean that your life is worth it?

                So the secular also feels satisfaction from developing the world and making it better for those who come after him, even though No less, because with him it is not a belief that perhaps he causes the Creator to fulfill some of his will, but rather it is the knowledge that he is developing the world for the good of those who come after him, and that many times he will be remembered for the good (this of course does not help anything after he dies, but can add to the aforementioned satisfaction).

                Please clarify your intention
                Thank you

              2. This is a response to your response, which later simply disappeared from the option to respond (maybe you can move it there)

                I looked at column 159
                and I didn't see where it was explained why his life wasn't worth much, and also from what point of view you mean that his life wasn't worth much, in terms of his feelings, or from some point of view of some philosophical truth.
                (I saw there that it was mentioned that some external entity would have to be the one to give meaning, but again I asked, assuming that death is total annihilation and destruction, what would give me and what would add to it, and I won't copy my question here again, I simply don't understand how that makes sense)

              3. This is how you should respond when the option to do so disappears. Click on the last response in the same thread. As you will see, it appears in the right place.
                If you read, it is explained there. Read again.

              4. You divided there between psychological meaning to life, and philosophical meaning, which must include reference to something objective outside of me.
                Okay
                So who needs such a meaning, and why did you decide that the life of someone who has psychological meaning is not worth it and the life of someone who has philosophical meaning must be worth it, (again assuming that there is nothing after death)
                In what respect are they not worth it, you probably don't mean in terms of human feeling (because it is psychological) but in terms of the Creator? Why would it interest me if I know that at the end of the day he will wrinkle his face and throw me in the trash after all this work.
                So psychological meaning is better than philosophical meaning, his life is worth more in a certain way, he helps the world that comes after him, and also feels better.
                Why do you call it an unequal life

              5. If life has no meaning then it has no meaning. I don't understand the question. I didn't write that life is not worth living without it. It's a matter of taste. If it's not important to you to live with meaning then for your health.
                The question of whether there is an end to life is another question on which I don't have a clear position. But it's not related to the question of meaning.

              6. A-B- 05/10/2020 at 00:54
                Wrote that without the laws of Halacha, life is not worth much.

                B- I did not write that I prefer to live without meaning, (where did you see that? It's maybe half a sentence) I just said that what you call philosophical meaning, is not understood, what is the meaning in that, so what if someone external to the system obligates me, where is the meaning here? Why do you call meaning, something so unknown as belief in an external factor that is believed to obligate mitzvot whose value is not understood and one must believe that there is benefit from it even though I may never be convinced of the validity of this belief, even if it is possible that only that can be called “philosophical meaning” so let”s shelve it, it does not fit together, the ”meaning” This philosophy, does not really give meaning as it claims, reminds me of the new king's clothes, there are really no clothes here, it is very possible that like there only very wise people see them, maybe only wise philosophers understand this meaning, and it will make them so happy in this meaningful life, what is it??
                I argued indeed, that only the meaning you call psychological, is the meaning (of course it is better that it be real and not just psychological), that you actually feel/know/understand that you have indeed done something for the benefit, that is, a secular person who cares about the development of the world, or an observant person who believes that the Torah and the commandments have an eternal benefit that he will indeed see in the future (and therefore the matter of avah is related here)

              7. I haven't seen it now, but ‘not worth’ in that context means ‘meaningless’. I certainly don't tell you what your life is worth to you.
                I don't know what to repeat again when everything has been explained. Meaning to life in the philosophical sense can only be given by an external factor like God. Everything else is meaning in the psychological sense, and you can achieve that even if you take a hallucinogenic pill. If it's not important to you to have philosophical meaning, then to your health. You yourself wrote that it is desirable that the meaning be “real”.
                That's it. I have nothing to add.

              8. Okay
                So just to summarize if I understood correctly. And correct me if there is a mistake where it is

                For philosophers, the “meaning” of life is that someone external to the system will assign them some task, even if’ they don't see the benefit in it, they're not even sure there is any benefit in it, maybe just abuse, and even if’ The philosopher does not enjoy this at all, from his point of view, he is only interested in a philosophical (Platonic, idealistic) meaning, because searching for meaning with pleasure and satisfaction is already a psychological meaning,

                But simple reason and logic (the boy in the story of the Emperor's New Clothes) understand that searching for meaning in life is not a philosophical meaning (as such), but rather a meaning that is understandable to logic (call it a psychological meaning or an open universe, I don't care) such as repairing and arranging and developing the world, or commandments that will build your next world,

                But just doing something that goes to waste, such as just doing commandments if there is nothing behind them and no benefit to the world or to anyone, is something only great sages from the story of the Emperor's New Clothes understand (he is some kind of psychopath or masochist).

                Why call this meaning a real meaning? Because you attached the holy name to it, from philosophical hours?, Atmaha seems to have a simple psychological meaning (that's what you call it) is a much holier name (ask the Kabbalists, their whole world is Platonic spiritual experiences)

                A hallucinogenic pill, that would be true, only in the case where there is indeed certainty that there is nothing after death, and a person is just here bothering for nothing, and he does not buy the secular view that I work so that the one who comes after me will be good and so on ad infinitum, and after my death they will only remember me when I do not know this secret at all. Whoever does not buy this and feels that his soul is going crazy over him,
                Then instead of hanging himself like Philip Mainlander who hung himself due to this wonderful understanding that such a life is worthless, let him take a hallucinogenic pill

              9. At your request, I will comment on your words, but I do not intend to continue any further. We are repeating ourselves, and sometimes I feel that you insist on not understanding/listening.

                0. I speak for myself and not for the philosophers.
                1. Meaning is not necessarily a duty. Meaning is a value that accompanies my actions in the world, even if they are not the result of a command or a duty. If God sees such an act as value, then it has meaning and value. Sometimes He will command me and sometimes He will not (things that outside of the law there is no command on. Morality, self-realization and education, correction of morals, and so on).
                2. This is not a question of abuse or not. But it is true that there is no necessity for me to understand what that meaning is. If I have faith in God, I assume that there is a meaning that I do not understand. Just as if I have faith in a doctor, I take the medicine even if I do not understand how it works.
                3. You are associating psychological meaning with logic. I disbelieve in this. No less logical philosophical meaning.
                4. You decided that the mitzvot are of no use to the world or anyone and everything goes to waste. I didn't write this.
                That's it. I'm done.

              10. Thanks
                (I understood, now this is a different question, although related)

                A- I'm interested in what you said, if you have faith in God, you assume that there is a meaning that you don't understand.
                Do you mean that you also have faith that you personally will gain something from it? Or not, we would definitely not care, even assuming that you are going to global annihilation and then the philosophical meaning disappears completely as if you never existed?

                B- Is there a connection between our discussion about philosophical meaning and the column in which you talked about philosophical gratitude? (Except for the part that both are incomprehensible to me)

                C- Regarding the suspicious feeling, it is absolutely unnecessary, especially since this is not the first time, and there is no repeating it, I testify before heaven and earth and swear to you (not like the oath of Ramdel to the king of Acre) that all my intentions are true to understanding the truth, and I regret that I sometimes do not understand, and I encounter a refusal on your part to explain again and clarify (although I certainly understand the burden) and even more so and the son of a son of a son that I am suspected on your part. And you add pain to my pain.

          2. Again, even in the laws of the state, no one asked him, and yet you assume an obligation. Socrates in the Crito at least assumes a late acceptance (the very fact that he continued to live in Athens proves that he accepted the law of Athens voluntarily). You, on the other hand, claim that the Jew is obligated wherever he is, whether he likes it or not, without the possibility of leaving and without the ability to change the law within which he is bound. Judaism is forced upon us, willingly or unwillingly.

            The only explanation for your approach to this is that Judaism assumes that it was given to the people and that it is the nation's acceptance that obliges the individuals. Here too, voluntary acceptance by the nation was required - which happened during the time of Ahasuerus - but without the existence of a nation, there is no obligation to the individuals. There is a dialectic here: the Torah was given to the nation, but without the existence of a nation that also includes those who do not believe in God and the Torah, like Assaf Inbari, there is no place for the Torah. Therefore, the Babylonian Talmud is binding only because of the acceptance of the nation, as the money changes claims.

            A question that remains open for me is why only the Babylonian Talmud was accepted over the nation and is there a procedure that would allow for further acceptances of the nation?

            1. And what about the moral laws? They asked me there too? Can I get out of it?
              Socrates says that I took it upon myself. And I say that I did not. What is the meaning of this reasoning?

              1. And is a person living as a slave in a dictatorial state also obligated to its laws?

                The obligation to the laws is accepted by the very fact of people's agreement to the laws. This can be tacit agreement, as Socrates says, or acceptance of the currency as a legal transaction by, as Maimonides writes in the Laws of Robbery and Loss, but agreement is required. If this were not the case, the law would not be a law. Moral laws do not belong to the matter since they are imposed on us by reason (even in the company of robbers there are criteria of justice). The Torah is not an intellectual constitution nor a political constitution. So what is it? A constitution of slaves imposed by an invisible tyrant (“As I live, says the Lord, if not with a strong hand and an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out, I will rule over you” Ezekiel 233)?

              2. At least according to Chazal, yes. I tend to think not. Is consent necessary? In my opinion, not necessarily, certainly if the one commanding is the Creator of the world and our Creator.

  5. As a complement to the Rabbi's words in this column, I am attaching a link to other things the Rabbi said on the subject that I find relevant:
    https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%96%D7%94%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%93%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%91%D7%96%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%A0%D7%95-%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C

  6. Strong and blessed! Because of the point you raise, I oppose the concept of Judaism. Rather, I prefer the three concepts of the people of Israel, the Torah of Israel, and the Land of Israel. In general, the word Jew is a later invention and the origin is the people of Israel. Therefore, I think that the whole idea of Judaism is not critical, but rather it is about an ethnic identity (the people of Israel) that is expressed in the Torah (credit to Ras”c) and the place of revelation of the people of Israel and the Torah is in the Land of Israel.

  7. You wrote: “No gentile is obligated to this, and even if he feels obligated to this, he will be mistaken. If he wants to commit to it, he must convert, then he joins Judaism and commits”.
    Why does he need to convert because his race is not Jewish, and after he successfully goes through the conversion process, even if he does not observe the laws at all, he will be considered a Jew, so what have you told us?!
    After all, if the Conservatives offer her a different interpretation of how she perceives conversion, what will you say then, that he is Jewish because after all, his Judaism came from an interpretation of the Torah?
    His commitment to the law will be subject to the Conservative interpretation, and so what?!
    The Reformer will claim that the body of Reformism is the law that the Torah requires, so why doesn't Reform law make him a Jew?!

    It seems that Arieli's Gefilte, the intuition of every Jew-hater, is the best way to know who is a Jew, and what Judaism is, of course, must be examined according to the traditional halakhah that has passed from Sinai to our own day.
    (The Hari Maharal Rambam the Great and almost all the other worldly ignoramuses mentioned, except for those deliberately pushed onto the list by Inbari, did not disagree on the halakhic basis but on the fifth shun, namely the adherence that dry halakhah is supposed to bring man, i.e., the closeness of God).

    1. Tam, I'm waiting for the moment when I'll get to see a question or argument from you that's reasonably phrased and relates to something I wrote (and it's impossible without declarations and sermons, and references to irrelevant places). In the meantime, I haven't won because of my sins. Maybe it'll come later…

      1. What's complicated?
        I'll try to elaborate further.
        Until the last few columns, it was simple for everyone to understand that we were Jews by ethnic origin and from a Jewish mother, and Judaism is everything done for the sake of serving God, the service of God is of course given to us by the written and oral Torah.
        Deviant/reinvented definitions by outsiders were not worth considering, who are they to decide who is a Jew, in Yiddish they call it ‘outer gizogt’.
        It seems that every anti-Semite understands who is a Jew without any philosophizing or philosophizing, and this is Ariely's Gefilte Fisch, perhaps, human intuition does not lie in this.
        Even in anti-Semitic cartoons, the Jew is depicted as an Orthodox Haredi and not as the secular one found in our regions, meaning that even in this it is simple and clear that at most a Jew is an ethnic origin plus the existence of a Torah.
        ***
        What have you told us?!
        That Judaism is not a requirement of the Bible?! Nor is it a moral behavior of this or that kind? And that we should treat every person who claims to be Jewish, even if he is a delusional Asian who decided to integrate part of Jewish culture and folklore into his boring life?!
        And what did you claim, that Judaism was the one committed to the law, and here the son asks, after all, according to your method, the initial basis is the entry into Judaism, that is, the conversion process required as a necessary condition, you strive for an arbitrary Judaism that does not depend on your Orthodox or Conservative perceptions, a kind of absolutist Jew, and for some reason you force the Conservative and Reform to enter under the necessary conditions that you have established according to the laws of the law that you believe in a priori, why do you think you have ownership of the basic necessary condition to define the absolutist Jew!? What's wrong with Conservative/Reform conversion? The initial stage, called conversion, will be done by every person according to their understanding, and just as with the Orthodox, if after the necessary condition, i.e. conversion, they do not observe the halacha, they will be considered a wicked Jew, of course, but still a Jew. In short, the conversion that you believe in is the essence of everything, just as commitment to halacha is the essence of everything that Judaism is, except that there are those who think that that halacha varies according to the period, from Conservatives to Reforms, but no, because they are not in the field of halacha that you have determined, they do not perform Jewish acts but nice rituals for the sake of folklore.
        It turns out that according to your words, Judaism is a monistic concept that my niche, and mine alone, is the ultimate Judaism. It turns out that you are right. Kobi Arieli is right, and even the Koranic Buchdeel is right if she were not a Gentile. Reminds me of the judge who ruled that both sides were right, and when the bystander asked how this was possible, the judge replied like a Jew, "You're right too."

    2. After all, if the Conservatives offer her a different interpretation of how the conversion is perceived, what will she say then, that he is Jewish because after all his Judaism came from an interpretation of the Torah?
      His commitment to halacha will be subject to the Conservative interpretation, and so what?!
      The Reformer will argue that the body of Reformism is the halacha that the Torah requires, so why doesn't Reform halacha make him a Jew?!

      So he is a Jew according to the Conservative or Reform definition, and if he undergoes a Karaite conversion, then he is a Jew according to Karaite law. And so on and so forth. Likewise, he is also a Jew according to the secular definition if he listens to Static and Ben El. Serves in the army. An Israeli patriot in one way or another. And of course if he has a Jewish father or even a Jewish grandfather and a Star of David necklace, then he is a Jew in the square.
      This is a definition of other streams. That neither you nor I nor Mini agree with. Here in the column we are talking about the Orthodox definition of a Jew.

      1. Rational,
        Incorrect. I am not talking about the Orthodox definition of Judaism but about the definition of Judaism in general. I argue that there is no Reform definition (because there is no halacha in their world), and the Conservative definition is like the Orthodox (except that there are certain disputes about what halacha is). Regarding a national definition, I wrote that this will be discussed in the next column.

        1. Hello Miki.
          It is clear to me that in your opinion (actually in my opinion as well. And in my opinion this opinion is correct). There is no Reform definition of Judaism. Since they do not have a concrete statement. Or conditions that are unique to a person being Jewish in order to enter Judaism. But only universal messages and moral principles that are not unique to Jews.

          With Zaot. Let's take the Conservatives for a second example. If a Conservative rabbi from the left stream converts a person on the condition that he observes the halakha according to his interpretation (he is allowed to live with a homosexual partner and have intimate sexual contact with him because the prohibition is stated only regarding full relations and idol worship. He is allowed to bless that I am Israel and that I am a man instead of the negative formulas and perhaps it is even better to do so and so and so halachic teeth - and let's assume for the sake of the example. According to Conservative halakha. In its simplified and modern form, he observes and converts even passed through the halakha in the word of immersion, declaration and sacrifice - and we see that he believes in the status of Mount Sinai. The prophecy of Moses. And from the obligation of the halakha but in the interpretation of a Conservative rabbi). What is he? An accidental Jew? A converted Jew? A doubting Jew?
          No. He is simply not Jewish at all. According to my definition and yours. And according to the definition of all those who have an Orthodox religious view. And he is Jewish according to liberal-conservative views. That's all.

          1. Disagree. He would indeed be Jewish by his definition, and I would agree that it holds water. Because Conservatives have halakha, then in my opinion they have an acceptable definition of Judaism. Acceptable does not mean I agree with it. On the other hand, Reforms have no definition at all.

  8. Happy Holidays!
    A little bit returning to Dvir's question, is there really a ”halakha”, it seems not, (and that's what Inbari was also referring to when he wrote about the differences between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai), so if I understood correctly, there is no commitment, but there is dedication (meaning, seemingly, there is nothing real to commit to, but the mental movement exists and it is Judaism). Perhaps we can return to the suggestion that you rejected outright, the dedication exists in relation to the text, (perhaps I am saying to his interpretations..)

    1. N, happy and funny holiday to you too.
      I have no choice but to follow your lead and come back again and explain that I am talking about halacha regardless of the interpretations given to it. Reforms have no halacha, and neither do seculars. Judaism does not obligate anyone from their perspective. If Inbari claims that there is no such thing as halacha because there are disputes in B”B”B and therefore Alma and Beit Daniel also have halacha, then he is an idiot. But he is not. He does not mean to say that there is no such thing as halacha, but that halacha is not the touchstone. I explained my opinion on this throughout the column.

  9. I will explain my words.
    I did not intend to propose a new reading of Inbari, but rather to propose a new reading of Judaism. In addition, I wanted to argue that Halacha is the interpretation of the biblical text, and from this perhaps even succeed in bringing in the Reform and Conservatives.

  10. The main thing in Judaism is the apostasy in idolatry. Everything else is marginal.
    The apostasy in authority and positions is also part of the apostasy in Judaism.

    1. That is, everyone who disbelieves in this is a Jew. Beautiful. Our number in the world has jumped from fifteen million to several billion. And one of its own.
      I usually don't comment on your unreasoned (and in many cases irrelevant) statements. Now I'm making an attempt to comment.

      1. Yes. The law was given to the Jews as a remedy or as a punishment. It depends on how you look at it. The Jews are the biggest infidels. A stubborn people that nothing has helped to bring back to the better. The Gentiles don't need that. One Jesus. One Muhammad. And they immediately infidels in the first place.

  11. Dvir Hashani [I see there is another one, so as not to confuse…]
    What is the definition of ”halacha” by which Judaism will be defined?
    Is it only what is written in the written Torah, or also the interpretation of the sages.
    And if also the interpretation of the sages, are the regulations of the sages also in this regard? [The question regarding the regulations of the sages is especially acute according to the Ramban, ”you shall not deviate” does not give the sages authority to amend regulations

    1. I wrote that I am not going into the question of what the determining law is. Anyone who is faithful to the law given at Sinai according to their understanding can claim that their path is Judaism.

      1. But if everyone interprets the law according to their own understanding, how will it be possible to maintain a society?

        1. I did not say that everyone will interpret according to their understanding and I did not say that it is possible to maintain a society in this way. What I said is that the definition of Judaism does not depend on the interpretation of the concept of Halacha. Whatever interpretation the concept of Halacha may have, a definition of Judaism can be proposed.
          Beyond that, when I discuss the question of what Judaism is or what Halacha is, it is about the correct definition of these concepts. The question of the ability to maintain a society does not concern the question of truth.
          And since you have already commented, then it is clear that everyone interprets according to their understanding. This is also what is happening today. Sometimes they choose to adopt the interpretations of others, but that is also their decision.

  12. Thanks Miki,

    I think it is implied from your words that in Judaism, halakhic (the particular one - after all, they are specific laws) precedes meta-halakhic (which is a universal study or thought). But this statement itself - which is a meta-halakhic statement, is universal in general…

    In short, it seems to me that the problem with your interpretation of Judaism is not that it is a wrong interpretation, but rather that it is correct… it reveals the same fundamental paradox of Judaism that Leibowitz talked about all the time. Leibowitz did claim to solve the paradox with a kind of deus ex machina (“it is a religious paradox, not a logical one”) but as you and I know, this is gibberish. On the other hand, he at least understood that there is a paradox here. That is also something.

    1. I see no paradox here. The commandments come to achieve goals, which I usually do not know about. Judaism is defined through commitment to the commandments, regardless of the interpretation that each person gives to them.
      Similarly, proper Israeli citizenship is defined as commitment to the law, regardless of the interpretation that each person gives to its goals.

  13. Mikhi,
    Your analogy to Israeli citizenship does not strengthen your argument, but rather the opposite. The foundations of the regime itself are structured in such a way that the citizen's commitment is first and foremost to "meta-legal" principles. For example, to liberal and democratic values that are only expressed in the law.
    Not so with Judaism, whose essence is in the law itself, according to you.

    On the contrary, your justified attack on the conservative wing on the one hand and the liberals on the other does not, in my opinion, place you in a better position. Your opposition to loading "metaphysical" meanings On Judaism (Chabad, Kookianism, the sleepwalkers of Mechin El-Ali, etc.) is indeed true to its original spirit, as is your criticism of the opposing camp (which itself relies on the “metaphysics” inherited from European humanism and rationalism).
    And yet, your attempt to center your view on a ”good place in the middle” leads you to the worst of all worlds (Leibniz in reverse).
    In the narrow-minded view of an unhappy person like me, not only are you not content with trying to put the cart before the horse. It seems that you are doing it in a world where there are neither horses nor carts.

    In this respect, I really think you are a better Jew than those you are attacking. This is of course not a compliment.

    1. You are mixing up levels of discussion.
      Our discussion is not about the question of whether there is gold under the rug (in Nadav Schnerb's formulation), that is, whether there are values at the base of the laws/rules, but rather about the question of what the fundamental element is that binds us to them. In both law and halacha, the fundamental element that binds us is not the values at the base of the laws, but rather the very fact that they are laws. You are bound by the law not because of the goals it came to achieve but because it was enacted by the Knesset. Similarly, in halacha, you are bound by virtue of the commandment and not by virtue of the values at the base of the halacha.
      The question of whether there are goals at the base of the commands is a different question. By the way, contrary to your description of my position, I also think that halacha does have goals, but in my opinion no one can know what these goals are.

      1. By the way, Rabbi, first of all.. I am obligated by the laws of the state because I am a good citizen of the state. However, the reason that civil law was established in this way is for future benefit… (‘and not for there to be laws’), and theoretically if there was no utilitarian logic in the laws, it would be appropriate not to have a law. But? There is logic. Therefore, there should be.
        It is true that one can argue that in halacha the obligation is not the logic behind the command, but the command itself. But this is a very deep discussion in my opinion, in the foundation of the divine command. (A sign of retroactivity? Or a reason? A sufficient condition? Or a necessary condition [is there logic to the commandments or not.. this is an ancient discussion).
        Because in metaphysics there is no doubt that things work differently.

  14. The law is binding because the law is binding. Miracle of wonders! Now everything is clear to me! I must have missed the whole point of my civics classes. And, now it turns out, I didn't learn anything in my residency classes: Halacha is binding because it is binding. Amazing.
    The starling went to the piglet.

    In the meantime, I thought I would refresh your memory about the real business of our discussion. The name of your column in Israel is “A Look at Judaism and Jewish Identity” and in it you explicitly claim that the core of Judaism is the commitment to Halacha.

    As I wrote in my first response: Your basic claim is a meta-halachaic claim about the centrality and precedence of Halacha in Judaism. Meta-halacha that constitutes Halacha that in turn constitutes Meta-halacha and so on.
    Dizziness.

  15. The response of the Hashloach to Amos Oz's attempt to define Judaism together with his daughter in the book Jews and Words is appropriate here.

    https://hashiloach.org.il/%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%93%D7%94%D7%93/

  16. But what is the point of all this? Isn't it just a matter of words? Why is it so important what is considered Jewish and what is not? From what I know of your approach, you have written a lot about discussing things on their factual level, so what does it matter what is considered Jewish and what is not. Hear the truth from the one who said it.

  17. Perhaps I am misunderstanding your words, but they imply that the basis of Judaism is the acceptance of the commandments in themselves, and it does not matter at all what values the recipient holds. In my opinion, there are commandments whose observance and the content behind them are more fundamental to Judaism and that a mere principled commitment to Halacha is not enough. I will illustrate in three ways.
    1. I do not think it is correct to say that everyone who does not strictly observe a particular Halacha is behaving unJewish. A person who worships idols, comes upon the nakedness of We will not accept a foreigner who transgresses them for pleasure, even if he accepts mitzvot, expressing specific contents that certainly contain matters that are more fundamental to Judaism.
    For example, a person who murders for a living, we will not accept as a foreigner even if he says that he takes on the burden of mitzvot (if it is not clear to us that he will stop doing it and repent) but a lender of interest if he takes on mitzvot even if we have a fear that he will return later to make a living from it, we can accept him.
    3. Anyone who does not believe that God created the world according to the Rambam is a species. In my understanding, there is no halakha that requires believing in this. Anyone who does not believe in certain theological principles, we will not accept either, even if he is willing to commit to carrying out all the halakha. Maybe you do not agree that one belief or another is the main thing, but I assume that even according to your system there are main things that are not mitzvot and it is impossible to say that a person has Jewish values if he does not believe in them.

    To summarize - it is not enough to simply be committed to Halacha, but one must also identify with the values that stand behind some of the commandments of Halacha.

    1. There are several arguments here.
      1. It is clear that not everyone who does not strictly adhere to some law is not Jewish. I was talking about commitment to law as a general rule, not to a specific law. By the way, if someone wants to sue me, good luck. What does that prove?
      2. A really unprincipled distinction. Someone who murders for a living is no different from someone who eats pork. You may like him less, but in the laws of conversion there is no difference.
      3. This is debatable. The principles of the Rambam were not acceptable to Rabbi Albu and the like. I am not sure that there are any intellectual principles without which you are not Jewish. You can of course bring the Torah from heaven, but that is a meta-Halakhic principle and not a intellectual principle. In this sense, faith in God is also such a principle.

  18. It seems to me that there is a basic bug in the entire discussion (both Arieli/Inbari and even Professor R. Michi) – and it is the assumption that there is a “thing” called Judaism. Or in other words – often the excuse for a difficulty is – that it is not a difficulty at all.

    It seems to me that even in the world of natural sciences (but here if R. Michi contradicts me I will immediately withdraw my opinion) – it is not entirely clear whether there are distinct categories of materials / plants / animals, etc. – . Are there really mammals versus reptiles “objectives, or is this a tool that helps us ”understanding” nature.
    Regarding the definitions of humans – Even the division into races (which, thank God, is not a philistine – that does not define Judaism) is not necessarily clear? Is Obama, who is the son of a white mother and an African father, “black” . (And to contrast – the definition of a Jew according to the Nazi system) .

    And what about “nation” – Is there even room to discuss “Judaism– as a religion or a nation – when these categories did not exist at all for most of its years and may very well disappear from the world when, in the course of the development of future ideas, it becomes clear that they are not relevant, etc. ‘ .

    And what about human characteristics: Who is an introvert? Who is an anxious person? Who is intelligent and who is stupid? Who is in love and who is enslaved? And so on and so forth.
    Even the question of what religiosity is is controversial among religious people (not to mention what traditionalism is). (For example, would a religious person who does not accept the authority of the “greatest generation” be defined as “religious” in the eyes of the average Haredi? And what about someone who fasts on Yom Kippur even though all the doctors and rabbis have told him to drink because of his indulgence?)

    At best, Judaism is a vague sociological term. And if this is so [not sure], then like any sociological group: there is a certain eclecticism according to which it is possible to map (in a very non-binary and “on the continuum” manner) “identity materials” Those who have a certain collection of them can perhaps be identified [it is not by chance that I do not use the term “defining” them but “identity” ] .
    These materials can of course be a means of maintaining a commitment to Halacha. But to claim that the Bible is not a Jewish book (since the vast majority of it does not deal with Halacha - including of course all the high-ranking ushers who come to visit us in our Sukkah - who were never committed to Halacha - since this concept was only created by Chazal). But it seems to me that even a Jew whose collection is complex, has a great interest in Jewish history, and celebrates Yom Kippur, Hanukkah, and Seder Night, and also has a certain ethnic connection (let's say even a grandson of a Jewish grandfather), and serves in the IDF.
    He can be defined as a Jew – even if he is not committed to Halacha.
    And on the other hand: Is someone who takes on a commitment to Halacha because he believes that God is some kind of cruel superman, who, if we do not take on the “Halacha” that He has established – will make us sick and die from Corona in this world and condemn us to boiling feces in the next world?

    And it is important to emphasize – I completely agree that the specific values/contents that I mentioned above – are not the ones that define “Judaism” . I disbelieve in the need to define what Judaism is and what it is not. I simply disbelieve in this distinct ”object” .

    And in your words, R’ Mikhi: Who even said that there is Judaism/Torah as a matter of course – Why can't we be satisfied with “gabra” Judaism (and I can also give it up).

    Do the French ask themselves what Frenchness is? Will Americans be able to agree on how to define Americanness?

    The interesting psycho-sociological question is why there are people who need this kind of definition at all
    (Empirically, it seems to me that these are mainly people who identify themselves as religious + a small group, people of Jewish renewal)?

    It seems to me that perhaps Judaism (at least that of our religious contemporaries) can be defined
    – as one that tries to define itself in vain

    1. Hello Udi.
      1. Inbari and Arieli do not really define Judaism. At most, they try to characterize what it is and what it is not. Therefore, I do not deal with the definition in the mathematical sense, but with the characterization.
      2. The categories in the natural world certainly exist, although they sometimes have blurred boundaries. But that does not mean that in reality there are no distinctions. This is a mistake. The same is true for defining races (there was a discussion about this in the talkback for the previous column). The fact that there are intermediate states does not mean that there is no such thing as races.
      3. Regarding Judaism as a nation, I have already written that I will get to this in the following columns. Nation is also an ambiguous concept, but anyone who denies the existence of nations is wrong. By the way, even if its current definition is new, I do not think it is really an invention out of thin air. There are ancient preconceptions of it. But that is not important for our purpose.
      4. If something is controversial, does that mean that there is no truth about it? To the same extent, even if there is a dispute about the definition of a concept, it means nothing. Maybe one side is wrong and the other is right? Or maybe there are intermediate situations and that's all the debate is about?
      5. When you switched to sociology, you lost me. I deal with values, not sociology (which deals with facts). I'll get to that later.
      6. You deny the need to define or the existence of this object. As for the need, it's a matter of taste. Some are interested in it and some are not. As for the existence of this object, you're again mixing up a blur or lack of clarity in the definition with the non-existence of the concept. We're talking about Judaism and living within it, so it's hard for me to see anyone who would deny the existence of Judaism. You can say that its definition is blurry, and you'll still have to give me the rivers (even if not definitions). I'll deal with that later too.
      7. By the way, the French and Americans definitely ask themselves these questions. Although from their perspective, the value discussion is less essential because it has no real basis (it is not about religious tradition but facts, and there everyone pushes for a definition of their favorite values, as secular people do here).

      In conclusion, I will only comment that in my opinion such statements are usually an expression of intellectual laziness or an attempt to evade painful conclusions. See my introduction at the beginning of my series of columns on poetry (there too these explanations are explained to us: a concept that does not exist, vague, undefined, each person and his own poetry, etc.).

  19. I have a question, which became more acute following the last column:
    Let's say the percentage of observant Jews - those who are committed to the law - is 20% (we will define Sabbath-keepers for this purpose),
    and the rest of the traditional Jews from the north are 80%. (Assuming that there are more in the world than that)
    Where do they have the power to decide who will be part of the Judaism of the other 80%? The State of Israel? The Chief Rabbi?

    Shouldn't the change in ”religion” and becoming a marginal minority in the last two hundred years change the definition of what Judaism is?
    (Of course, this can be sharpened to the point of absurdity, if observant Jews are one percent, or one Jew, then Judaism is dead?)
    In my opinion, this is where the definition you don't like comes in, “Judaism is what Jews do”, with an asterisk.
    And that, what is considered a consensus among the majority of the Jewish people, is Judaism.
    A Jew is someone who sees themselves as part of the Jewish collective, (or yet has not extricated themselves from it, perhaps such as the spy Vanunu)
    That is why the State of Israel/Zionism is like that, as is belief in God, enlistment in the IDF, and so on.
    (I don't mind that this definition would include millions more Koreans.)
    On second thought, a Korean/Druze who enlists in the IDF as part of the Jewish people, (or is a "many" in the US), is supposed to be considered a Jew, whereas if he enlists to impress his society, then he will not be considered a Jew. (Example: Righteous Among the Nations)
    Jumping back 2000 years or more, what was conversion like in biblical times? Joining the Jewish collective. (The Bible didn't even bother to write how to become a stranger? It only commanded 36 times to love the stranger, in my opinion because it's really simple - the stranger is the stranger among you)
    And in the time of Chazal it was a mezuzah and a tchoumin. (By the way, I read somewhere that according to Rabbi Kanievsky, a stranger must accept a generator on Shabbat, otherwise he has not accepted the burden of the mitzvot properly…)

    (I should point out that I have never found any reference to the high percentage of secularization, to the overwhelming majority in the last two hundred years or so, in relation to the definition of the concept of “Judaism”.)
    Thanks in advance for the insightful columns!

    1. This is not a question of power or majority. The question is what is the correct definition. Not who decides and by what authority. When I ask what poetry is, if I come to any conclusion, it really won't matter to me that many others think differently than I do.
      Changing the definition is a problematic statement. Are you referring to a new concept? Then call it by a different name. Otherwise, you have turned everything into semantic confusion. Unless you think this is the appropriate continuation of the previous concept. Then you must define the previous one and explain why it is the correct continuation for today. If the observant of the mitzvot become extinct – Judaism is indeed dead. What is absurd about that? Just as if mathematicians become extinct, then there is no community of mathematicians.

  20. Bialik's reply to Inbari

    Here is a generation growing up in an air full of proverbs and songs, and on all sorts of things that are all empty talk and lip service. A kind of Judaism of permission is gradually being created. They call it nationalism, living, literature, creativity, Hebrew education, Hebrew thought, Hebrew work – and all these things depend on the hair of some affection: affection for the land, affection for language, affection for literature – what is the price of an airy affection?

    Affection? – But where is the duty? And where will it come from? And where will it be fed? Haman the legend? And in its nature it is nothing but permission, both and weak in its hand.

    A Judaism that is all legend is like iron that has been put into the light and not put into the cold. Aspiration in the heart, goodwill, the awakening of the spirit, inner affection – all these things are beautiful and useful when they end in action, action as hard as iron, a cruel duty.

    You say to the builders – “Make a covenant and write it and seal it, and appoint us Levites and priests… and establish commandments upon you” – so did your fathers also begin to build… Come and establish commandments upon us! We will be given molds in which to cast our loose and fragile will into solid and lasting coins.

    We thirst for bodies of action. Give us the habit of doing more than saying in life, and the habit of following more than telling a tale in literature.

    We bend our necks: Where is the yoke of iron? Why will not the strong hand and the outstretched arm come?

    (H. N. Bialik, Literary Matters, Tel Aviv 1986, p. 17-18; first printed in the Knesset, 1987, p. 12-26, (cited in the article by Haneska cited above)

  21. In the spirit of the definition of sex in biology.
    For someone who cares about being Jewish or not, it is impossible to judge from the side that for him a Jew is someone he would be willing to marry his son or daughter to.
    From the point of view of certain streams of Judaism, 99% of the Jews in the State of Israel are not Jews at all, because they are not willing to marry them. Or remote primitive tribes who see themselves as Jews. From their point of view, they are Jews. From our point of view, not so much.
    And in general, the first Christian Gentiles saw themselves as Jews.

    In other words, this is a subjective definition with certain amorphous characteristics, some of which are contradictory to each other in different groups.

    1. Biological sex is a fact, Judaism is a perception. I will address this in the following columns. I am not asking a descriptive question, what do people think? I am asking a substantive question: what is the definition of the concept.

      1. Let's say you came up with a definition for the term Jew.
        What is the criterion by which you will test whether the definition is correct?
        If the majority agrees? If the ultra-Orthodox agree?

        It seems to be just an attempt to find a definition that suits you.

        Jew and Judaism are social concepts. And as such, they cannot be given a coherent definition.

  22. The claim is a bit puzzling. And if something could be said in church, does that mean it's not Judaism?! Do you know that there are evangelicals who believe that one must observe the law as their Lord observed it? So apparently, halachic obligation is also an idea that can be said in church in certain places in the US.

    I don't know, it mainly reminded me of the claims that Maimonides writes against, that there are people who believe that the Torah has to be incomprehensible in order to be true. I know that you're not making exactly that claim (and even the opposite), but the idea that if a Christian can say that then it's not Judaism – parallels in my opinion. Ultimately, there could be Jewish content that has also passed into Christianity, not unreasonable, considering the history of Christianity…

    1. Furthermore: According to Jewish law itself, Gentiles are bound by the commandments, whose laws are determined by internal factors of Jewish law (if this were not the case, then Christians do not define themselves as practicing “foreign idolatry,” as is well known, and they denounce “pagans” – whatever it is). So, would a Gentile who has accepted the Seven Commandments of the Children of Noah – with a commitment to the ruling of a particular Jewish court regarding their boundaries – be defined as a Jew?
      It is clear, then, that halachic commitment is a necessary condition (and therefore the Reform rabbi you spoke of may be a charming, wise, talented, and interesting person – but not Jewish) but is not sufficient for the definition of “Judaism.” Not that I know what is sufficient for that.

      By the way, I recommend Benjamin Sommer's book, Revelation and Authority, which reaches the same conclusion as yours, albeit through an analysis of the possible Jewish coping with the findings of biblical criticism. My criticism of his book is the same as my criticism of your words. Halachic commitment - even to the halacha (or the general claim to halachic commitment) originating at Sinai - is not enough, even within the realm of Jewish halacha itself! - to define something or someone as a 'Jew' (or a Jewess).

    2. Halacha is what we were commanded at Sinai and the branch. If they think so, they are indeed a Jewish sect. Note that I am looking for the touchstone and not characteristics. It is clear that Jews also do universal things. See my comments at the end about Judaism in Gebra and Haftza.

  23. Interesting. A few points:
    A. I think you have a bit of an assumption about what is being asked. In other words, the assumption that Judaism is a commitment to Halacha is indeed a criterion that can be held to (and I think that sociologically it is indeed useful, namely to distinguish between those who are committed to the Shul and those who are not - although as can be seen in the "religious" world - it is impossible to derive from this any agreed-upon worldview for all those who are committed to the Shul), but it is accepted by a minority of those who identify themselves as Jews, and applies its perception to those who do not hold it (i.e., if I am not committed to Halacha, in order to avoid excluding me from the generality of Judaism as they did in the early Haredi community, you are forced to determine that I am Jewish because, according to your perception, I am committed to Halacha because I was born to a Jewish mother, but my friend who lives and thinks exactly like me is not Jewish because he was born to a Jewish father, or if not a Jewish one, and therefore he is not committed to Halacha). – and this seems quite absurd to me).

    B. This perception of Judaism as a group of those obligated to the law and not as a national group or an ideological group is not necessarily self-evident. That is, – in the biblical period there was no Judaism, but there were Israelites (and thus a prophet and a sinful king can mediate which of them is the oppressor of Israel). In fact, the transition to Judaism was accompanied by the breaking of the perception that connects religion to nation, and turns it into a supranational system, constituted by a common idea, and see Megillah 13:
    “Rabbi Yochanan said: Never will I be born of Benjamin, and my mother will call me ‘Jews’? – Because of the atonement for idolatry, all the atonement for idolatry is called ‘Jews’, as it is written: (Daniel 3:12) You, O prince of the Jews [I have appointed you over the service of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Nego, and you have made a great man Regarding Inbari, I think that in stating that he defines Judaism on a racial-ethnic basis, you are reading things that are not there (at least not in the quote you cited, and from his familiarity with the man and what he wrote, probably not elsewhere) and stating that what defines Judaism from his perspective is probably “racial-ethnic”. I think this is a definition that may be derived from a pluralistic perspective as presented by Inbari, but it is not a necessary conclusion. Nationalism has an ethnic element, but it is not what defines it. What actually defines it is the sense of belonging to a national whole (sometimes it comes from the person himself, and sometimes from the environment that associates him with that national whole, sometimes against his will and against his will). And this belonging is expressed to a large extent in connection with what we call the “bookcase”, or what I call the “space of symbols” through which a person expresses his culture. That is, – what makes us Jews and distinguishes us from the French is that even if we all oppose the trafficking of women, and we all celebrate a holiday in the spring, the Jews wrap it in symbols from the Jewish sphere and celebrate Passover, and the French wrap it in symbols from the French sphere and celebrate Easter.

    D. And of course, the question of the boundaries of the definition of secular-national Judaism arose at a very early stage with the emergence of this concept, and Brenner already answered it in 1915:
    “Everything they did, etc.’ this is Judaism” – says the author. All – the reader will be surprised, of course – did you know?! And were all the strings loosened? Rather, he says: All the actions of the Jews within their environment and for the purpose of their existence, this is Judaism. The main thing is to seek the Jews first in everything – and the end of Judaism will come. If there are Jews, they work their jobs and live their own lives – there will already be some kind of Judaism. Then whatever there is – Judaism will be called…

    The actions of the young Israelis in Russia in the SD and SR parties are certainly not from Judaism – no matter how much these young people are dear to us. Those actions are not from Judaism not because they are Marxist or Bakuninist, and Marx and Bakunin are not from the Torah, but because they are outside the Jewish environment and not for the benefit of the existence of the Jewish environment.

    1. And to conclude, Brenner wrote in 1911, “On the Vision of the Destroyer,” about the Jews who assimilated and ceased to be Jews even before they converted (which, according to your perception, does not change their being Jews at all, since they are still legally obligated according to your system, and they are still Jews, even if “destructed”):
      “I am not at all horrified when I see in the German Zionist Viennese newspaper, from time to time, the lists of the names of the converts who are denounced in public view. Moreover, I do not understand who those poor Adolfs and Bernards are harming, who were strangers to Jewish society and religion from their childhood and who, in order to enter Christian society, also accepted “its faith”? What did we have of them before, when they went or did not go to the Jewish Temple, and what did we lose from it, when they got up and poured holy water over them for their own pleasure? […] What do we have of all those dozens and hundreds who have been assimilated since childhood, for what purpose do they convert to Christianity, and why should this slight external change horrify us more than their lives before the change? Their main forms of life were also non-Jewish in any case, and what would we have of them if they had not taken this last step and had remained only in the Jewish scriptures, without taking part in the hardships of our lives and in our fight for our national future?

      And in the 1970s, when the kibbutz movement, for example, was dealing with the phenomenon of non-Jews who wanted to join the kibbutz and the people of Israel (mainly in the form of volunteers who married kibbutz members), they began to discuss the need to create a Jewish-national conversion process, to teach you that Judaism is also not a matter of “atmosphere” And folklore only.

      1. They stopped behaving like Jews and stopped being Jews. A Jew is someone who is committed to Halacha. Judaism is behavior according to Halacha. I distinguished all along between Jewishness and Judaism.

    2. A. I already wrote above that I am not dealing with a descriptive question: what do people think about what Judaism is. I am dealing with the essential question: what Judaism is.
      B. This brings us to the question of Judaism as a nation. I will get to that later.
      C. I will also get to this argument later (this is the conclusion of Ehud Luz's argument).
      D. He asked a good question and did not answer it (what I call stretching the question mark to an exclamation mark). It is impossible to define a concept by itself. It is a loop that empties the concept of its content. What makes X-like actions X is X. I ask what X-like actions are.

  24. I agree that what makes a Jew unique is the law.
    But why can't we say that morality is an essential part of Judaism?
    It's true that I wouldn't define a person as a creature with ears because other creatures also have ears, but ears are definitely part of a person.
    Similarly, morality is also part of Judaism. A father or rabbi who educates to behave morally educates from the Jewish perspective, [one could say that he teaches from a book on Jewish education, and there is also a chapter on morality].
    I would add that perhaps there is Jewish morality: So why is a rabbi's sermon in the synagogue not Jewish? The fact that other nations have beliefs similar to Judaism does not negate the Jewish nature of his sermon, because the morality of a Jewish rabbi is morality written in the Torah. If it is written in the Torah that it is permissible to sell your daughter to her mother, the rabbi sees it and does not see it as contrary to morality.
    And as Leibowitz said in his lecture at Ma'alot [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0BaQJnHFc], "There is no such thing as inverse morality, sir."

    1. Having a nose is also part of being human. On a logical level, a definition should contain the unique characteristics of the concept.
      That Leibovitz said something is not an argument. He is wrong, and big. There is certainly universal morality, although there may be disagreements about it. Another of his positivist failures.

  25. Happy. What I didn't understand and would be happy to explain – why a “Jew” is someone who believes/practices “Judaism”.

    For that matter, there is the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory. But you don't have to be a Copenhagener to believe in it, and someone who believes in it is not necessarily a Copenhagener. Similarly, “Judaism” usually describes a set of (universal) values and worldviews1, and “Jew” is an ethnic-national-racial-group-identity issue (someone born to a Jewish mother or someone who goes through the Kabbalah ceremony2 of this group). Therefore, there may be a Gentile who believes in “Judaism” and there may be a Jew who believes in idolatry, etc., and it is not a question.

    In my opinion:
    A. Who is a Jew? A person who belongs to the Jewish group by ethnic origin or by a process of acceptance into the group. (We can ask nowadays whether there is one monolithic group or many groups because there are many different conversions and there are Jews on the father's side, etc., I won't go into that).
    B. In the process of conversion, what does the convert mean when he declares his declarations? That he associates himself and his identity with belonging to the circle of the Jewish group. It is possible that in practice this will manifest itself in a radical change in all aspects of his life, and it is possible that it will never manifest itself except in his mind and the mind of others in the group.
    C. What is “Judaism”? A set of values and a worldview that were established by Jewish rabbis hundreds of years ago and developed over the years. It is better to call it “Chazalism” for example (or Pharisaism).
    D. What is included in “Judaism” and what is not (apart from Halacha, which is Peshitta)? In other words, what is canon and what is the 71st-interior-of-the-Torah? I have no idea, but it is clear to me that Marxism is not Judaism (even though Marx was a Jew) and belief in a Creator is (even though those who are created also believe in it). If I had to point to something, I would point to Pirkei Avot as a good example. Even though Pirkei Avot contains contradictions, there are agreed-upon principles there that are not trivial in my opinion (“not in order to receive a prize” the exact opposite of Randism) and there are principles found in other worldviews that do not fit there (missionaryism, for example).

    A slightly different point – Criticism of the parable of the nose that cannot define a person because dogs also have noses:
    I don't want to argue with things that have already been written in my book, and I don't want to get into the matter of essentialities and characteristic features and necessary features, etc., but it is clear to me that in language we can use a word to describe an amorphous concept that lacks a clear definition but contains a variety of features and characteristics and conditions, sometimes not necessary and sometimes not sufficient (e.g. Wittgenstein and the word "game"). Therefore, although the church also has a set of values similar to much of Judaism, I see no problem using the word "Judaism" to describe a set of values and worldviews and theology, which are by nature universal to some extent or are not agreed upon by all thinkers, but as a whole there is something there. And this is true for many other words that we use (for example, the famous example of the judge who could not define “pornography” and yet believed that it was a concept that signified something).

    1 – Judaism (Chazal) contains values and worldviews (sometimes theological) that are not trivial at all. For example, the principle of “there is law and there is a judge” is completely opposed to atheistic principles or all sorts of Eastern religions that believe that there is no law and that there are many judges who are at war with each other. Another example, the ancient Australian aborigines believe that each person contains a spirit that is responsible for preserving a certain plot of land physically and spiritually (i.e., your personal plot of land is where your mother stood the moment she first felt movement in her womb when she was pregnant with you). Also, Judaism is opposed to the Hellenistic concept of the sanctification of the body, and more. As I already said, the chapters of the patriarchs are not trivial.

    2 – It's not just in Judaism. Even in Native American tribes a white person can be “accepted” into the tribe if he goes through certain rituals and shows some loyalty to the tribe, etc. It is the right of the group to determine who is in the group.

    1. And another question for me – It seems to me that most will agree that Judaism has a certain theological complex (subject to debate, but of course there is something there, and I am willing to give examples against other religions). I also think that most will agree that belief in some theological complex is not “just”, even if it does not always translate into actions or halacha. Therefore, why not say that Judaism is this theological complex and not just halacha (which, according to many, is only the application of the beliefs contained in theology)? And for those who say that a Gentile can believe in Jewish theology and not be a Jew, why is this so for theology and not halacha? In other words, where did the decision come from that it is actions that determine and not beliefs? Just as a Gentile can believe in Jewish theology, a Gentile can be obligated to halacha. (I have no problem with this because I separated between a Jew and a Jew.)

    2. You are simulating different things. Ask why a mathematician is someone who does mathematics? Why is a shoemaker someone who makes shoes? Copenhagen is a place name that is attached to a concept that was born in that place. A Jew is someone who is related to Judaism.
      All of your program definitions miss the point I made in these columns. Even if you find a value that is found only in our country, as long as this is the case, it is not Judaism. A definition of Judaism is supposed to provide a fundamental touchstone. Therefore, even if there is a concept that is found only in Judaism (in my opinion, there is none), as long as it can be found elsewhere, it is not a good touchstone.
      Regarding the theological complex, in my opinion, it is only what constitutes the foundation of halakha (belief in G-d, Torah from Sinai – or from heaven).
      A gentile cannot be obligated to halakha. There can be a gentile who thinks he is obligated to halakha. To the same extent, there can be a shoemaker who thinks he is a mathematician.
      Regarding Judaism as a nation, I will talk about this later. There I will also discuss the definition of open and vague concepts.

      1. Thank you very much, I think I just now got the hint about the whole column. I agree that there is no single concept that is found only in Judaism, but would you be satisfied if the set of concepts of Judaism as a whole is found only in Judaism and is the touchstone, even though every element in the set can be found elsewhere?

        For some reason, a physical parable springs to mind that Judaism is a certain vector that of course shares projections with other concepts but differs from each of them in a different dimension:

        Judaism: {One God, anti-mission, concern for others, …}
        Christianity: {One God, mission, concern for others, …}
        Hinduism: {Multiple idols, anti-mission, concern for others, …}
        Randism: {No idols, mission, no concern for others, …}
        ….

  26. What's the fuss? Very simple. That's what it says in the Torah. Even the commandment to believe in God is halakhic. See the Ten Commandments, see the Parashat Behukoti, see the entire book of Deuteronomy…
    Judaism has no other source than the Torah. And this is what it says.
    How trivial, how banal, that's how simple.
    Any other claim creates another religion. Not Judaism.

    1. In short, a commitment to the observance of Halacha,
      that's what the rabbi wrote

    2. The Jews preceded Judaism, and therefore the Jews determine what Judaism is.

  27. Or a commitment or obligation.
    If you were born a Jew – obligation. (Forced on them like a tub).
    If you want to convert – obligation.

  28. Above I wrote that there is no Judaism that does not take into account about 80% of Jews.
    Following a conversation with a friend, I understood my point of disagreement:

    There are three concepts: Jewish religion, Jewish nation (which has not yet been discussed), and ”Judaism”.
    Indeed, the rabbi's definition is that “Judaism” is a commitment to Halacha.
    My argument is that ”Judaism” is not a Jewish religion, but more in the direction of Jewish nationhood, or the Jewish bookcase, or Jewish culture,
    and this is all the while the commitment to the Jewish religion today is a bright minority among Jews.

    Indeed, it is possible that over the generations, “Judaism” was the same as the Jewish religion, but the situation today, for 200 years, is different.
    Therefore, today, religious “conversion” is halakhic, but it is a living fossil from the period when Judaism was expressed in religion, and today, taking a Gentile and introducing him into the Jewish religion and not into the Jewish nation is ridiculous.

    I will conclude with a simple distinction, (which may have been written before):
    The Jews preceded Judaism, and therefore the Jews determine what Judaism is.

    1. “And the revelations are for us and our children forever, that we may do all the words of this Torah” (Deuteronomy 29:28)
      Anything else is not what is written in the Torah, which Judaism believes was given from heaven. Forever.
      The semantics of contemporary concepts don't really matter..

      1. There is no connection between the verse you cited and what you want to learn from it.
        There are nicer verses for decorating vortis.
        In fact, even the Torah given from heaven needed the consent of the Jews to accept it,
        and today there is no such consent among the majority of the people.

        In other words:
        Even a Torah given by any god does not become ”Judaism” without the consent and acceptance of the Jews, otherwise it is just the Torah of such and such a god.

  29. Out of sheer sophistication, we sometimes forget to treat the verses as meaning and not as decoration.
    Everything is written. But we don't want to read.
    And by the way, don't forget, before we remembered to accept it a second time, we almost disappeared from the world.

  30. Happy holidays...what's the point of the rabbi in his systematic attack on the rabbis of Ali???

    1. Where did you see an attack? I'm just quoting their words as they were published. I do not agree, and I also think that such a quote makes them look ridiculous, but that's what they are doing to themselves.

  31. I agree with some of the commenters who argued that it is possible that the assumption about the nature of the criterion is what condemns the search for it to failure. I would propose a criterion similar to the definition of the mathematical ”closed” (which exists in many fields, as well as in mathematics, but I think the idea is similar) – “Judaism at stage n+1″ would be everything that was created from “Judaism at stage n” in such a way that there is at least one representative from stage n who confirms that it is the source of what we are now examining.
    This is of course simply an attempt to push the word “tradition” into a formal format, but I found that this way of referring to it has some utility.

    In our case, I believe that this format provides a solution, on the one hand, to the fact that an overly strict criterion would push out the Eli Mechina, Satmar, and the religious kibbutz (and in fact, every application of the strict criterion would produce another application of it, so that we would be left with nothing). On the other hand, it does leave out most of the sects and oddities that try to sound very similar to Judaism, but many feel the suspicion toward them that Arieli expressed.

      1. The intention was to provide intuition and not to claim that tradition is an accurate model (in the sense of a logical model) of the concept of “closedness.”
        To your question, of course there is.
        As an example, I will mention the “Mishkan Ohalim” movement from the mid-1990s (only in the context of tradition, without addressing the correctness of their claims or the pain they expressed). We had a neighbor at the time who identified with the movement and my father asked him a simple question: “Which of the Yemenite rabbis is behind them? Who ordained the leader of the movement?” And the neighbor answered that the ordination was directly from Moses our Lord.” So this is an anecdote, but to me it is a good example of how when a movement lacks the ability to point out the connection between itself and stage n, it is evident.

        You can also take as an example other beings who came out of various rabbinical schools (some of which you also mentioned from time to time) and who even initially enjoyed the patronage of well-known scholars – when they chose to cross red lines, their supporters disowned them and it was difficult to get confused and claim that there was still a connection between them to the nth stage.

        So yes, the gates of wisdom were not closed and it can be argued that there is some rabbi who still has a very loose connection with, say, Ohad Ezrachi (again, a slightly extreme example, for the sake of discussion). But here integrity is needed in the discussion – when reviewing the latter's development process, and ”reviewing” here simply means opening his wiki entry – it is clear that there were two stages that he went through – the aforementioned severed his ties with Jewish tradition.

      1. Bzzzzz… Not true. Of course the Reformers have n+1, but that's only because there have already been several generations of Reformers. It is possible to point to a point where a disconnect occurred.

  32. To solve the terminology problem, let's create a new concept – judaism stile
    similar to – kosher stile which is already common in restaurants in the US, for example..
    Kosher style refers to foods commonly associated with Jewish people but which may or may not actually be kosher. It is a stylistic designation rather than one based on the laws of kashrut.
    (Wikipedia)
    And thus we can distinguish between the definition that is mandatory in the commandments and all the rest.

  33. Why can't things that are Judaism be taught by Christians or secular people? As you said, "Torah in the haftzah" and it doesn't matter who teaches them, they remain Judaism because it is in the haftzah. (For example, the Tanakh and its interpretations, as well as Shas with Rishonim and Acharonim and Halacha) All of these are defined as Judaism. I don't understand why Judaism needs to be unique to Jews.

    1. Absolutely they can. That is exactly what is happening. That is why I claim that it is Judaism in the Bible (like Torah in the Bible), and cannot be a touchstone for Judaism. Wearing pants and having a nose are also Judaism in a similar sense. I explained that.

  34. But I don't really understand the Rabbi's approach.
    Why does the Rabbi insert 'Watabautism' here.. What do I care that the church demands the same sermons from all kinds of 'rabbis' in the school, and that it changes the very sermon of those rabbis?
    In the previous column, the dear Sh.Z.L. also responded to this claim (maybe here too, I just didn't read the responses), if I remember correctly, that the root of those priests, its essence in the (Jewish) Bible, and the fact that they turned the Jewish value of faith into a universal value, should not be of interest to any Jew whatsoever.. (Because the root is Jewish).

    What.. with fools they will argue among themselves, and adopt philosophical concepts in their discussions.. So the philosophers should claim that because the donkeys speak in these terms, these terms are broken and not philosophical?!

    A claim is a claim by the very fact of being a claim.. (and this is a big rule in the Rabbinical Mishnah).
    And if tomorrow they teach in churches issues of the order of torts as they do in yeshivahs, with commentators (and maybe even with scholarship), and they speak of halakhah in practice (and tomorrow they will act on it).
    So is traditional Talmud Torah suddenly not Jewish?!

    The in-depth sermons (of wise rabbis, certainly not all of them.. to put it mildly) that are given in school, are a direct continuation of the discussions of the sages throughout the entire school. (Beyond the halakhic discussions).
    The fact that the rabbi is less connected to the content side (and not the halakhic) is perfectly fine. But to project onto the entire content side, as if it were not Judaism, is, in my opinion, fundamentally wrong. (Druzes can be in a state of mental confusion, but they are still Jewish [even if they converted to Christianity, it is akin to Christianity. The style of this content is Jewish {and probably originates from the Achaemenid period} actually]).

    The analogy between synagogue and church lessons is not of the sort of argument at all.
    Even if we say that it is not the substance of the Jew, but his form (male Judaism), then still to say that it has no Jewish value is wrong (to the extreme that the habit of reading moral books is as gentile as it is Jewish). Of course it is a Jewish value, it is simply a deliberate value, not a founding one.

  35. If I understand correctly, you define Judaism as doing the commandments given at Sinai.
    This can also include the tenets of faith, the practice of virtues, getting used to certain qualities of the soul.
    (Everything that is said in Sinai to me).

    So, I understand the criticism of secular Judaism. But what is the criticism of the Reformers, in their view what was said at Sinai – or what remains relevant from everything that was said at Sinai (assuming that at Sinai we also received mechanisms for adapting what was said to a later period) – is to care for the rights of the weak and minorities and blah blah blah.
    The criticism of the Haredim and Hasidim is also incomprehensible. In their view, what was said at Sinai is that one should study Hasidic books and prostrate oneself at the graves of the righteous. They do not claim that it was explicitly stated at Sinai, but at Sinai it was stated that one must cling to the Creator, and today this is only possible by clinging to the righteous and that by prostrating oneself at his grave.

    In the end, everyone draws from Sinai, only they process it one after another. But even the halakha in the Shulchan Aruch is a process.

    1. I have no criticism of the Haredim here, nor even of the Hasidim. And in general, I have no criticism of anyone here. What I have proposed here is a definition. That is all.
      In the eyes of the Reformers, nothing was said at Sinai because there was no Mount Sinai status. The tenets of faith, and facts in general, are not Judaism. A true fact is true for every person, and if it is not true then it is not true even if Jews think it is. And the same goes for corrected values. I explained everything.

  36. Hello Rabbi Michael Avraham,
    An important and fascinating opinion piece (I couldn't help but recognize the similarity in your line of thought with the late Professor Leibowitz, who denied the characterization of Judaism that is not based on religious and halakhic commitment).

    But this answer leaves us with an equally difficult question:
    How do we define commitment to the law and the commandments of the Torah?
    As far as I can tell, the only consensus around the binding commandments are those given at Mount Sinai.
    Since then, much has changed and it is difficult to find a broader consensus regarding the binding laws that deny the title "Jew" to those who violate them.

    I would appreciate your opinion on the subject or a reference to an article in which you have already addressed this issue.

    Ravit

    1. Chen Chen. I don't remember where I went into detail, but I referred to it in several places (mainly when I wrote about conversion). My argument is that anyone who is committed to halakha, no matter what their interpretation of halakha is, is generally Jewish. I can of course disagree with their interpretation in every way, but as long as we are dealing with halakha, this is Judaism. The same goes for conversion, there are many discussions about how many commandments are required for conversion to be considered including the acceptance of a commandment. This is conceptual nonsense. Acceptance of a commandment means accepting the halakhic burden. What a person interprets and what from it he observes (or even intends to observe) is irrelevant to the discussion. In my opinion, even a convert who does not intend to observe even a single paragraph of halakha, as long as he understands that it obliges him and that the transition to halakha comes from necessity and weakness, is living kosher even when that was his original plan.

  37. Peace and blessings!
    I would love to hear what the Rabbi thinks about the words of Rabbi Kook in the book of Lights (the beginning of the article “On the War of Beliefs and Opinions) regarding the definition of Judaism: Thank you very much and may God bless you!

    “The opinions are astonishing in the face of the flood of foreign knowledge that flows and floods, especially foreign knowledge of foreign works. They are pouring into the camp, taking the hearts of many and distorting the paths, and leading many of our youth from the paths of life to the paths of death. The defenders of the knowledge of Judaism are raising a loud voice, nullifying the bad knowledge, exposing their forgeries and lies in the hands of the clear walls of Judaism. But it would be very satisfactory if, in this style, they were able to push back what was about to erupt like a volcano. In particular, those who seek to define Judaism in known terms, in terms of its soul and spiritual structure, are mistaken, even though it is possible to define it in terms of its manifest and historical meaning. She encompasses all in her soul, and all spiritual inclinations, both manifest and hidden, are contained in her in the highest encompassing, just as all is encompassed in the all-pervading Deity. All the hedge is like a cut in its plantings and a model for erecting a statue and a mask in the name of the divine glory. Similarly, he despises the value of Israel, the bearer of Judaism, among the nations, for the value of man among all creatures 47. Many creatures have advantages that are not in man, but the general combination of qualities and the rise of spirituality in them, to rationally understand the use of the powers that are included in him in strength and action, – this He makes man the highest good in the world. Thus, many nations have unique qualities that are far greater than those found in Israel. But Israel, in the light of the essence of all humanity, gathers together the qualities of all nations, and they unite within themselves in the form of a holy ideal, in a blessed unity.

    1. What do I have to say about that? I just ask myself how he knows (that Israel has the essence of all the opinions and talents in the world). And how he defines “foreign opinions” and in contrast to them, Jewish thought. In my opinion, there is no such animal. It has already been explained in countless places.

  38. The Megillah (13) says that every unbeliever in idolatry is called a Jew. So perhaps the question should be what is not included in the definition of Judaism. In light of this, the role of Halacha is only to be a sort of filter for heresy and wrong views.

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