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Reflections following the Meron disaster (column 387)

With God’s help

Although the blood is still bubbling and the floodgates of tears have not closed, around this bubbling there is also a stupid and heated discourse that, in my opinion, is time to address it in a logical way (yes, there is also such a level of discussion, for those who have forgotten).

On emotion and stupidity

I will say in advance that my main goal on this site is to oppose the flamboyance and emotionalism that characterizes the discourse in our regions, and to try and tilt it, even slightly, in a slightly more logical, matter-of-fact and rational direction. This is true in relation to religious thinking, but also in relation to human thinking in general. This is of course a suicide mission in our world awash in stupidity and emotions, but I have long since realized that I have suicidal tendencies (as Ehud Barak said: If you were a Palestinian boy, I would be a suicide bomber. A simple and obvious statement, which does not mean that he did not seize upon it the expected emotional outburst).

What is a trigger for this column is, of course, the discussion surrounding Meron, and also what has developed here on the site around him. It faithfully reflects a situation in which intelligent people fall into a mental and emotional fixation that prevents the possibility of dialogue with them. When you say something sensible, you will be hit on the head directly from the angry stomach (and their tearful eyes). So allow me, as I do, to pour some more fuel on this fire of vanity, and you are certainly welcome to respond and pour it on me in talkbacks. I am sure you will do so, but I am writing these things for those immigrants who are not willing to be washed away by the stream of emotional stupidity that fills our streets. Good luck to us all.

I have written more than once about emotions being overrated. We (almost) all have emotions, and indeed it is appropriate to take them into account. However, emotions are now seen as something sacred that should not be harmed. Indeed, one should not harm people in any way, at least not as long as it is not necessary. But emotion is not a guide and cannot guide us as to what is right and what is proper. Furthermore, usually when a person writes and speaks from turbulent emotions, he will speak nonsense. The main reason for the shallowness of discourse in our circles is the exalted attitude towards emotions. Emotion is the father of all sin, and it is responsible for the horrific stupidity and rancor in our discourse.

The cry of the robbed Cossack

The fact that a person is sad, and even if they have been seriously hurt by me, does not mean that they are right. To the same extent, the fact that someone hurts someone does not mean that they are wrong. One can raise arguments of politeness and timing against the offender, but in many cases they are also mixed with factual arguments that arise from the depths of emotion.

This morning I received a question in an email from a person who feels harsh criticism of the Haredi society (which he himself grew up in, and perhaps still belongs to), and he is debating when his criticism is impolite and when it is a matter of contemporary gagging in the PC tool Shlita. I wrote to him that there is no real connection between politeness and PC. PC tries to change thinking by changing speech and terminology, while politeness only requires us to be careful to express things in a way that does not offend anyone. I added that there are no rules of politeness for thinking, but only for behavior and speech. In thinking, the only rules that determine what is right and wrong. In speech and behavior, the consequences for others must also be taken into account. In the criticisms of Yaron London's words, which have taken up significant volume both here on the site and in the media in general, claims of PC and criticisms of impoliteness are mixed, and many take them even to the level of substance, usually without even noticing. This is a sharp expression of what I am describing here.

By the way, the excessive need for manners arises precisely when the claims are true and you have no adequate response to them. Then you pull out the weapon of the Day of Judgment, and lament that it is offensive and impolite and inhuman, and in general bestial. If you also make sure to be offended and say that the speaker is dancing on blood, you will certainly come out on top. Many people and groups who behave inappropriately, and especially when they cannot justify their behavior, morally and/or logically, when they are criticized for it instead of responding, they are offended and accuse (this is of course completely forgotten when they themselves criticize others). In Yiddish, this phenomenon is called "The cry of the robbed Cossack". This is another reason why it is wrong to give in to accusations and keep your mouth shut even in difficult times. Various Cossacks exploit this for their own purposes.

Initial reflections on Lag BaOmer in Meron

It is impossible to escape a few opening words about the actual carnival of the Rashbi in Meron. This is a bizarre event that is unparalleled, perhaps with the exception of the carnival of graves and the worship of the righteous in Uman. And the inscription: Telo is a day whose origin and meaning are unclear (see Responsa Hatas Yod C. Releg-D), pour into it delusional content that our ancestors did not know and no one knows what they say (probably nothing), add a pinch of customs that were founded in the Holy Mountains (that is, in the office of the middle Rebbe of Weisswitz-Piltz, the one who succeeded after a legal battle with his brother in winning the Rebbe's share of the northern Moshav Shelslet and has a rose gold gretel), mix well, let it cook for about half an hour, and it will immediately become the most central and largest "religious" event in the world, and all the masses of our wise and intelligent people will cooperate with this stupidity. Tried and tested.

As far as I understand, this carnival and the mass becoming that follows it come from exactly the same place as the Bombamella festival or trance parties among secular people. It is a well-known, albeit unfortunate, fact that many people have a deep inner becoming for emotion and ecstasy that will take them out of their a priori everyday life and give them a sense of transcendence. The above parties are just examples from our time, but this phenomenon did not start today. This was probably also the source of the ecstasy of gaping idolaters, or those who danced around the golden calf and said to it, "These are your gods, Israel." People are looking for an outlet for becomings that nestle in them the spiritual, the ecstatic, and the emotional. They want to escape the annoying and cold mind that forces us to think and distinguish between the Sabbath and the six days of work, between the essential and the insipid (and the insipid), and between those who worship God and those who have not. And if there is no distinction, where is the difference?!

Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and exercising their minds, they prefer to meditate on Hasidic proverbs that require nothing and do not require effort, although they do not teach us anything. But they give us sublime experiences of incomprehensible depth. Therefore, seminars and lectures on these subjects are packed and crowded, while theoretical and systematic study on various subjects is set aside like a stone that cannot be turned. The priestess is laid on a corner and the innkeeper sacrifices on the altar.

People prefer to break out challah with devotion and believe that it will bring a cure for someone's illness, rather than understanding that challah is a mitzvah like any other mitzvah that must be kept because it was commanded, and that its observance for such purposes borders on a Torah prohibition. All in all, it is just a prosaic recognition of the grim reality. It is much more satisfying and uplifting to break out challah with murmurs (which are rooted in those same holy mountains), and then not acknowledge that it was of no use in any way. No drop of weeping and sublime murmuring returns empty, as we know.

Back to Lag BaOmer. It starts with a few Rebbes who are looking for a place to establish themselves in. They probably don't have anything more interesting and useful to say and do, and how will it be known that they are Rebbes? How will we all know that they are descendants of Tarshish and Aralem, who themselves were descendants of other Tarshish and Aralem (was there ever a real Tarshish and Aralem in such a chain? Who knows?!). I once heard that the Rebbe of Sanz took as a son-in-law for his daughter a simple guy who was examined by him on two thousand pages of Gemara. When they asked him how an important Rebbes like him could allow himself to marry such a simple guy, he replied that he preferred someone who begins the lineage over someone who ends it. These Rebbes use the services of gabbaim, businessmen, and publicists, all of whom fight among themselves and engage in legal and other intrigues, in order to gain possession of the sacred positions of lighting in Meron. It's about holding onto territories in space and time, who will light a bonfire and who won't, and who will make a greater name for the well-known Rebbe of Harel and Tarshish. My Rebbe is a bigger bully, after all, he lit the bonfire of Lag BaOmer's vanities with sublime and unclear mumbling in area X at time Y, completely unlike your Rebbe, your scoundrel, who lit only in area Y and at time X and who had only 10,000 foolish Hasidim with him and not 200,000 like ours. And besides, his face wasn't really filled with holy ardor and elevated joy like my Rebbe's. This is how the myths of H. Y. Rotel are born and become mass tenets of faith, I suppose that's exactly how idolatry was born.

This PR, which is all about economic interests and power and honor, is surprisingly fruitful, as it dresses up those pursuits of "spirituality" and experiences in a way that does not require intellectual effort, God willing (just a little pushing and suffering, and muttering verses of Psalms that will bring salvation through the merit of the righteous). The fact that there are serious concerns about several severe halachic prohibitions will not stop our idolaters, nor will it prevent them from the world's largest trance party. When I see the mass and uniform ecstatic swaying of the crowd at these worthless and tasteless events, I am truly amazed at the immense power of mass suggestion, and I am reminded of the experiences of idolatry that were supposedly spared from us in these generations. I admit and am ashamed that even my little ego sometimes feels a sense of experience when I am present at various ceremonies (religious or not). We are all human. But I try to overcome this, and I certainly do not turn it into something valuable, that is, into an ideology. At most, it is a surrender to our lowly needs, and even that is permissible from time to time. An experience is nothing more than a form of entertainment (and when it is mass, it is usually poor and herd-like entertainment in my opinion), nothing more.

"All mockery is a mockery of idolatry."

I think I have already quoted here the words of R. Y. Hutner, in his book Fear of Isaac On Purim. He explains the statement of the Sages (Sup"g Damgila, 25b):

Rav Nachman said, "All the mockery of Assira, son of Melit, is the worship of idols, as it is written, "Kere bir keres Nebo" and "Keresu bir keres" together, they could not escape the burden, etc. Rabbi Yannai said, "From here, the carts of Beit On will be driven to the neighborhood of Shimron, because his people will mourn for him, and his followers will proclaim his honor, because he was exiled from him. Do not belittle his honor, but rather be like his burden." Rav Huna, son of Manoah, said, "From his name, the Lord of the sons of Israel

Why is clowning, which was probably not very popular with Chazal (and certainly not with me), permitted in relation to idolatry? Rabbi Hutner explains this immediately after clarifying what is wrong with clowning in itself. He claims that it punctures a hole in the balloon of anything important and takes the air out of it (2:11).A shield anointed with oil). And what is wrong with idolatry? There we encounter giving great importance to things that are of no importance in themselves (wood and stone). Therefore, explains R. Y. Hutner, clowning is the right and proper tool for dealing with idolatry. It pokes a hole in the empty balloon of importance and returns it to its natural size. It is necessary to understand that indeed the worshippers of idolatry are harmed by this clowning, and it is really impolite to act this way. True, but it is no less important to poke a hole in the balloon of idolatry than to not harm its worshippers. If they worship idolatry, they must bear the consequences of the war against it.

You will probably be surprised to hear that my little ego indulges in the realm of clowning quite a bit, I'm glad I'm good. But I think I always do it (at least that's my principled policy) where I see a thread of idolatry, that is, where disproportionate importance is given to unimportant things. In the case of simple mistakes (in my opinion), or in the case of an argument about some issue or another that really has two sides, even if I support one of them, I don't usually joke, but rather conduct an argument in a more serious tone. But where disproportionate importance is given to an unimportant thing, be it a person, a text, a concept, or an idea, that's where R. Y. Hutner's words ring true for me. Note that it is precisely in such places that people are hurt by criticism, because it is an attack on something that seems very important to them. But it is precisely there that our Sages teach us not to shy away from this attack. In a certain sense, this is the cry of the robbed Cossack that I spoke of above.

I will add that in the second type of debate, I also make arguments, but I certainly allow myself to present them cynically. This is the important and subtle difference between irony and cynicism and irrelevance. Irrelevance is unacceptable to me under any circumstances. Relevance is a situation where you joke without making arguments, but not when you present arguments in a cynical way. When I present a position and people attack it as heresy or joke about it, it is an irrelevant comment. But when they make arguments against it, even if they present them cynically, they will be blessed. I really like this kind of phrasing, it adds a little salt and pepper to our lives (you see, I also look for experiences). When I am offended by someone's words, I know that they caught me without an answer, and then I make sure to try and overcome that. It is an irrelevant response, and certainly is not a substitute for arguments. If I have no counterarguments, then I must honestly admit that I was wrong and not use an insult to get out of the argument with dignity (the stolen Cossack effect). In short, cynicism and practicality are not necessarily opposites.

Yaron London

I suppose there is no need to present to you Yaron London's words about the Meron disaster, which are featured here under every fresh tree. Nevertheless, I will present them here in full so that your eyes can see them clearly. I suggest you read them carefully and critically, without falling prey to emotional traps and distorted portrayals of them in the media:

Almost nothing.

 

From my position as an Israeli, a Jew, an atheist, a liberal, a leftist, a rationalist, a Tel Avivian, I am trying to honestly examine my inner state from the moment I learned of the tragedy in Meron.

The tragedy of my loved one makes me tremble. The noise diminishes the further the victim is from the seismograph that marks the intensity of my emotions. The troubles of my children and grandchildren create a noise in me at a level ten on the Richter scale, while the tragedy of thousands in Bangladesh hardly moves a single beat in my heart. At the far end of the scale is joy at the victim's death, and beyond it – complete indifference. If the intensity of the reaction to the disaster does indeed mark the distance between me and the mourners, how great is this distance?

I am reminded of a character who appeared on the news broadcast before the deadly commotion broke out. The man boasted of his adherence to tradition: "I haven't missed a single revel in decades." In my heart, I wanted to ask him, "And what's the point of this persistence?", but I immediately silenced the question, which was motivated by reprehensible judgment. Every person has the right to choose their own pleasures, and I am not the judge. In response to a question about the fear of overcrowding, which is a Petri dish of viruses, he replied that "Rabbi Shimon's right will protect us." "Yes," I said in my heart, "it will protect us just as Rabbi Akiva protected the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were massacred during the Bar Kochba revolt." The answer of the complacent anonymous man already justified my anger, because his own thoughtlessness and that of his ilk increased to some extent the danger expected for those who are not members of the Chogam, including me.

Know that I suffer from agoraphobia, a syndrome whose literal meaning is "fear of the town square" and one of its hallmarks is the fear of being in crowded places. As I saw the tens of thousands of men waiting, crowded into the stadium for the lighting ceremony to begin, almost none of them wearing a mask, the thought crossed my mind that the pilgrims might be harmed by some version of the Maccabiah Bridge, Arad Festival, and Versailles Halls disasters, but I silenced the siren in my mind, because I am not the patron of the ultra-Orthodox and I am not their educator, and if they despise danger and so delight in dragging mattresses and baskets full of food, crammed into smoke-emitting buses that groan on the roller coasters, jolting in bursting train cars, and if their souls expand thanks to crowding and friction, and babies wailing and gasping from the changing rooms of screaming toddlers, and trumpets blaring and smoke choking from bonfires, and all this in the name of an ancient sage whose laws only a few of them understand, but whose spells everyone believes in, why should I worry about them?

The lack of distinguishing marks among the individuals in the image of the masses contributed to the alleviation of the sense of immediate danger. They resembled each other in the same way that buffaloes falling into the jaws of crocodiles that swarm the Mara River during the great migration season on the Serengeti plain resemble each other. The herd in its multitude rushes into the river, shoulder to shoulder. The buffaloes slide down the bank like a waterfall and cross the strip of brown water where crocodiles lurk, and the viewer does not distinguish between buffalo and buffalo, and therefore does not become attached to a particular buffalo, unless the photographer chooses to focus on a struggling calf whose stomach is firm. If, say, one of the people in Meron had been wearing a red shirt, or a wide-brimmed cowboy hat, or had stood out because of his height, or had worn a pirate's patch over one of his two eyes, my soul would have clung to him in some way, but I felt no closeness to the indistinguishable silhouettes, thousands of identical silhouettes moving at a uniform pace on the television screen. What do I care if a few dozen of them fall like identical cardboard figures at a shooting range?

I only learned of the disaster in the morning and my response was "I told you so!" It was an arrogant response that was filled with arrogance and joy. I was arrogant towards the Haredim the way a supervised adult would be arrogant towards a wild child who was acting wildly and ran into a wall. There was also anger in it, because the stupid child had disobeyed me, rebelled against my authority, violated my dignity, and now he is bothering me with the need to care for and take care of him. He is also forcing me to share in his grief, because it is impolite to avoid expressing grief, and I have enough troubles of my own.

I condemned myself for the "I told you so," but I also failed to identify with the mournful tone in which the radio and television announcers spoke, the somewhat slow tone, a quarter of an octave lower, reserved only for announcements about IDF casualties and other major disasters occurring in the Jewish world. I knew that the voices of survivors would immediately be heard, descriptions from those who were almost killed and were miraculously rescued, complaints against police officers who acted in one way or another in a way that worsened the disaster, reports of intrigues in the police force, Netanyahu in his deep voice would utter sentences taken from the drawer in the chest of drawers where words appropriate to events such as this are stored, demands for the establishment of an investigative committee and dismissals, explanations of the Jewish character that excels in skyrocketing initiatives and neglects details ("The Redhead Forgot the Key" by Ephraim Kishon). One of the rabbis of the Lau family would speak about how the pain is ours all of us and that in situations like this The differences are forgotten, because once again it becomes clear that we are one people and we are responsible for each other. Someone will say "Holocaust." It won't be long before the journalists on the ground, spurred on by their editors who are in a state of panic, will bring us the pictures of the victims accompanied by texts that teach us about the magnitude of the loss. All the victims will have charitable qualities and some of them will have relatives who have just died in other disasters, because in the Hebrew media there is no victim of a disaster who died without relatives of previous disasters in their family.

I will conclude: In the meantime, I express sorrow for the sake of politeness, feeling about the same way I felt in September 2015, when 2,411 people were crushed to death during the Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca, a kind of faint "oh." I am trying to internalize the sorrow, to breathe it in, to awaken it, to turn it into a personal, authentic experience, instead of a learned commandment of people, and the effort is not going well. In the meantime, I feel about this disaster and its victims about the same way I felt when I heard the news of a tsunami on an Indonesian island. Almost nothing.

Things that are atrocious. He wrote the truth with remarkable honesty. There is no word of anti-Semitism here, nor anything else obscene. Here is a description of the feelings of a liberal Israeli who feels alienated from the Haredim and for him they are like Rwandans or members of another people in a faraway place, and therefore their tragedy does not touch him on an emotional level. Of course he is sorry for their grief, as he is for the grief of any human being who suffers, but he does not feel for them as family members whose grief touches him on a personal level. What is not obvious here? What is here worthy of criticism? This is an authentic and honest description of feelings that many Israelis feel but do not dare to say because of consideration for the Haredim and because of the PC.

These things come after years and generations of the Haredim adhering to an ideology of alienation and separation from everything around them, a lack of contribution and narrow, self-serving, sectoral behavior, a massive exploitation without a shred of gratitude from everyone around them (the health, security, legal, police, education, psychological counseling and educational treatment systems, academic systems, and so on and so forth), blaming others and their opinions for every disaster and an unwillingness to truly reflect, a primitive and narrow-minded mentality, a crazy and monopolistic imposition of their norms on the entire public that does not believe in them, does not recognize them, and does not want them, some of which are not even anchored in Halacha, but who cares?! (Shabbat, kashrut, marriage, the way of behaving at the Western Wall, the content of state ceremonies, and so on), and a grossly irresponsible behavior that harms us all, both economically and in terms of security, and in the last year, also in terms of health. And after all this, Yaron London, as an atheist and a liberal, honestly admits that he feels alienated from them, although he even chides himself a little for it (after all, this is a leftist, isn't it?). After all, that's exactly what they wanted to achieve, isn't it? It's their own policy. So what's the fuss about? He doesn't belittle anyone's grief, and if he were to meet a person in grief, he would certainly share their grief. Here he describes his feelings in the face of the collective grief of a certain public, and not an encounter with a specific person in grief.

This is truly the phenomenon of the Cossack who was robbed. Yaron London puts a mirror in front of them, and suddenly they have no answers or justifications. You do all this to us, you whistle at the rules, you revel in the graves and dance with the stars, we protect you, we organize for you and we finance you, we are the ones who save you from your own hands (sometimes, not always successfully), and in return you despise us and impose on us. And suddenly you discover that he succeeded for you (not really, because the absolute majority of the public shows amazing sympathy in the grief). So now you are complaining. You also want consideration and feelings of participation, because the sons of one father rest in peace. As mentioned, when there are no substantive answers, the Cossack takes up the field of insults.

Beyond that, Yaron London expressed an emotion and not a moral or ethical position. Every person's tragedy is sad and should be mourned, and I am sure that he too, when he sees such a tragedy up close, will be sad. He only wondered why the tragedy of the Haredim in Meron is different from his perspective from the tragedy of the Rwandans. The Rwandans did not suffer less (in fact, much more). The claim is that the Haredim are closer to him. But this is an emotional and not a moral claim. On the emotional level, London's feelings are as they are. These are facts and he is only telling us about them. There is no expression of a moral or ethical position here, and therefore I see no room for criticism of it.

Back to the difference between politeness and substance

In closing, I cannot avoid referring to the words of a teacher named Liat Winder Noked, who wrote: Wonderful post And touching on Facebook, really Neta Ne'eman, the work of an artist, Haman's jar of manna. Very few texts I have read are written at this level. I highly recommend reading.

If you've read it, you've probably noticed that among the criticisms, there's a lot of similarity between her words and London's, and with the same fundamental sharpness, but it's written very gently and with empathy (albeit with considerable arrogance), and therefore doesn't evoke similar feelings in the reader. It would be really fascinating to make comparisons between her words and London's (they're almost identical) and to compare readers' responses to the two posts. The difference between her words and London's is mainly in the intonation and the way they phrase it, which illustrates how much people read from their stomachs rather than their heads, and how much they confuse politeness with substance and form with content.

In my understanding, she does not describe any closeness to the Haredim and certainly not their being one people with her. On the contrary, I sense a not entirely hidden mockery of these statements (as Haredi slogans) and a haughty contempt for their primitive perceptions. But there is an extraordinary empathy in her words for them and her writing is wonderfully subtle (beyond the very step of coming to comfort the mourners in Bnei Brak). This tense combination that she makes is ingenious, truly a work of art in my opinion. I immediately wonder what would have happened following a similar step she would have taken towards a disaster that would have befallen the Palestinians who live here (I can assume that for her it is quite similar. There too, they are not one people, but there is room for empathy and recognition/understanding of the other). I am quite certain that such a step would not have elicited a similar attitude from most readers here, not to mention that they themselves would not have taken it.

You know what, why talk theoretically?! Ask yourself what the Haredim do in the face of disasters that happen at a music festival or a football game? Will you find empathy there as they expect from others here? Wouldn't anyone there attribute this to the crimes of secularism? (Everyone there is engaged in nonsense and waste of time, and that's what happens. The hand of God has struck these unfortunate people! After all, the Chazon Ish and the Rabbi of Brisk have already said that the wars are because of the secularists and their fault.) Was it the same grief for them as it was for the Meron disaster? I have no doubt that at least for many of them – no. Go out and see their attitude to the Day of Remembrance for the fallen IDF. It's not just about not participating in state ceremonies, which is completely forgivable. I'm talking about their principled attitude, about what is reflected in the streets and in conversations in the seminaries. About the fiery speeches of "What is for us and them?" I myself was there and heard it. It's not all of them, of course, but this is the basic ethos. By the way, Yaron London is not all secular either. On the contrary, the vast majority of secular people express a surprising participation in grief, which seems to me (like London) a bit hypocritical (politeness is obligatory). And in relation to the fallen IDF, we are talking about people who gave their lives in their own defense, not just unfortunate people who suffered a disaster. And what is the reason for the lack of empathy? Alienation and distance, of course. Most ultra-Orthodox families don't know soldiers, much less fallen soldiers. It doesn't happen in their own backyard, so there's no great empathy (I'm not talking about meeting grieving people in person, of course. I mean the public treatment). So what do they have to complain about London's feelings? The Cossack who was robbed, I said?!

And what about me?

Unlike the Greek chorus here on the site that accuses me of identifying with London, nowhere did I write or say that I am not sad about what happened, nor did I express agreement with his words (if only because he is not claiming anything, but only expressing emotion). I said and wrote that I completely understand London's feeling for his method and in light of his position and views. I wrote that it is completely understandable, natural and understandable to me. I also reject with contempt the vehement and emotional criticism of him. But I, unlike him, do feel close to the Haredim (despite the harsh criticism of them that I completely share), if only because of the family connection, the religious faith (which is shared to some extent. After all, they are the sect closest to me) and my personal biography. Some of my best friends are… . But I won't deny that when I heard about the disaster, I also experienced some feelings similar to those he describes: feelings like "I told you so," "harming idolaters in the Holy Land," "a herd of buffalo," and the like, and even a little joy for the sake of it (this is a natural emotion, even if unwanted).

This has nothing to do with, nor is it a contradiction to, the sadness felt in the face of loss of life and in the face of families in such great grief and sorrow. On a personal level, it is certainly no less than the personal sadness I would feel if I knew the victims of Rwanda (who, unlike the Haredim, did nothing to me and are not to blame for their situation, but on the other hand, they are also less close to me). I am sure that this is also the case with Yaron London. But on a collective level, you are not standing in front of a deceased person or a specific grieving family, but in front of a public that brought disaster upon itself with its own negligent hands, and which constitutes a bitter and harassing adversary who is clearly immoral, as I described above. Just as Shiron writes, this is the feeling of an adult in the face of something happening to a stupid child who did not listen to him and who brought disaster upon him, especially when that same child bullies him, despises him, and exploits him his entire life without any gratitude. Is he expected to feel a sense of empathy toward him? But the emotional howlers here, like the media brawlers bathed in emotional PC, whose eyes are bathed in tears and whose hearts are full of content, all of them are unable to listen to the arguments, let alone understand them. They are unable to see their own flaws and dismiss the other with their silence. No wonder I feel like I'm talking to a wall. So instead of talking, I wrote, and it's nice to hear.

A final theological note

For dessert, I will end with a small point that occurred to me in the wake of the disaster, which connects the two parts of this column. It is accepted in Jewish thought that we should take stock of ourselves and learn from everything that happens to us. Personally, as most of you know, I do not think so. Taking stock of ourselves is certainly good, it is always good. But understanding the reasons for what happens and drawing conclusions is absolutely not. In my opinion, what happens is (at least usually) the nature of the world and not the work of God. But according to the opinion of someone who thinks that events that do happen come to teach us, I ask him what he thinks we should learn from this event? (Apart from strengthening modesty and the length of women's sleeves, in studying Torah and in the prohibition of slander, of course.) If I thought that events come to teach us, it would be very difficult for me to escape the conclusion that God wanted to teach us that perhaps our intentions are desirable (or perhaps not), but our actions are certainly undesirable. That the worship of the graves in Meron is a trance revelry that is not pleasing to Him.

As we recall, Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz (Rabbi of Ra'anana and former Shas minister) explained to us in Totod thatThe "Habonim" disasterThe death of dozens of schoolchildren from Petah Tikva in a collision with a train, happened because of the desecration of Shabbat in Petah Tikva (Heichal Cinema). And I just wonder if there will be one honest person out of a thousand among the many (almost all) who disagree with me, perhaps Rabbi Peretz himself?!..., who will be willing to reconsider his attitude towards the Rashbi Carnival in the wake of what happened? Is it not the hand of God that unleashed a fierce and painful outburst on the idolaters in Meron? Apparently, this is the very state of Mount Carmel today, according to them. If this obvious lesson cannot be learned from the disaster that happened here, then events really do not teach us anything.

As for myself, I repeat and claim that from every event that happens, everyone learns what they thought before (as always happens in the study of legend, the Bible and morality), in other words, they learn nothing from it. From this I also conclude that we have nothing to learn from events (on the theological level), and also that God, the Almighty, is probably not trying to teach us anything (otherwise He would have failed miserably in a pedagogical way, which is not really appropriate for an omnipotent being like Him. See the second book in my trilogy on this). But here I throw down the gauntlet to those who have the opposite approach. If no one among you can find such a person, this in itself will be an admission of legality and evidence of my principled approach to learning from events. As I said, I think this way about the Meron celebration regardless of the disaster, and as I said, I also do not think that disasters come to teach us anything. But here I claim that those who disagree with me on these two points are presenting a contradictory argument.

That's it. I'm done. You can start insulting and cursing me...

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  1. Finally something tasty, which is delicious.
    Many years ago, I argued regarding Rabin's assassination that the only thing that can be learned from it is that the Prime Minister's security arrangements should be reexamined, and when I argued this to leftists, they fumed with rage.
    In the same way, it seems that regarding the Meron disaster, the only thing that can be learned from the event is a reexamination of the safety arrangements at the site.
    There's no reason to cancel, festivals are a great thing, and football games on Shabbat don't allow religious people to attend...

    1. Specifically, you are not right about Rabin's assassination. This is an act that is the result of people's choices. There are certainly moral and other lessons that can be drawn from this (not from the fact that he died but from the fact that he was murdered).

    2. Yes, and the stronghold commanders are guilty of the Yom Kippur blunder! Ohana is using Shin Bet methods on the top of the police. Soon Ben Gvir will file a lawsuit with the High Court of Justice to prevent Ohana from destroying the police before Ben Gvir himself destroys the police and the army. So they argued about a tape that showed a checkpoint half an hour before the disaster, and in the end they said there was no checkpoint. In this case, half an hour? The problem is the traffic jam and lawlessness, and would trying to block help? And in the case of the formation of the government, were Ohana's information leaked to that reporter?

  2. Thank you very much, interesting and important post.

    And yet... in my opinion, the comparison between the posts is unjustified.

    Liat, even though she belongs to the other secular group, and is critical of Harediism and the method of thinking, she felt the sorrow, the sadness, and here she comes to comfort. Why? Would she have gone to China? Of course not!

    So what is the difference between the Chinese and the Haredim, according to Liat? Just a vague emotion? Only manners? Possibly, but possibly not. Liat may belong to the group of people called 'Jews.' True, there are subgroups within the supergroup of 'Jews.' There are secularists and there are Haredim, indeed, but it is likely that a connection of moral values and also emotional ones will be more prominent towards her own group. But Liat also understands that part of her identity consists of the Jewish people. In the end, this is our family.

    Are there no quarrels within the family? Of course there are. Does every quarrel cause a disconnection? Of course not. That is, at the end of the question, what stands in relation to what, and there is no doubt that death is an extreme-shocking event. Doesn't it move a person?! How is this possible?

    The only answer is that the Haredim did indeed come from that person's family (London, for example), and now the only question is: Is this judgment justified?

    So you claim yes. And here's the gist of it:

    "These things come after years and generations of the Haredim adhering to an ideology of alienation and separation from everything around them, a lack of contribution and narrow, self-serving and sectoral behavior, a great exploitation without a drop of gratitude of everyone around them (the health, security, legal, police, education, psychological counseling and educational treatment systems, the academic systems, and so on and so forth), blaming others and their opinions for every disaster and an unwillingness to truly reflect, a primitiveness and mental apathy, a crazy and monopolistic imposition of their norms on the entire public that does not believe in them, does not recognize them and does not want them, some of which are not even anchored in Halacha, but who cares?! (Shabbat, kashrut, marriage, the way of behaving at the Western Wall, the content of state ceremonies, and so on), an irresponsible and rude behavior that harms us all, both economically and in terms of security, and in the last year also in terms of health."

    But does this stand the test of reality? It is necessary to distinguish between leaders, between the positions of publicists, politicians and media figures and the general (!) Haredi public. Well, it is really hard to say about him that he does not contribute. Randomly choose a family in Bnei Brak, and see how much they contribute, to accuse them of self-interest? It is hard for me to understand where these things come from? The audience will see and judge. Exploitation? No gratitude? I now bring to mind Haredi friends who disagree with me and think ideologically differently and have no memory of any of these things! Delusional. And finally, about the Corona, well, what will I do, most of whom are definitely following the guidelines.

    Bottom line: In my opinion, the main failure is in the impression of the Haredi public from the statements, from the engagement, and not the inner life of the Haredi public, and then you see that it is really not depicted as you describe, very far from it. Really. These things remind me of your opinion that one should not judge people in the form of inaccurate texts, but rather live them – and then understand.

    So well, you don't live the ultra-Orthodox cyberspace, I think I know more. And in my opinion, your judgment is unjustified. It doesn't justify the gap that London is talking about. No, it's not Chinese. And Liat understood that well.

    Sorry for taking so long.

    And again, thank you for the post, for the website. I greatly appreciate and respect it.

    1. I guess she would also go to the Chinese, if they lived here. That's why I brought up the example of Palestinians.
      And in your own words, you are arguing about facts and not values. That we are all Jews is true, but London does not feel that this gives priority to the ultra-Orthodox over the Chinese. What is the argument against him? That is what he feels.
      And as for Liat, read carefully and you will see that you are completely wrong. But my words have been explained.

      1. She wrote a post referring to Turch, confirming that she would indeed criticize Palestinians to the same extent.

  3. And one last word, you wrote:

    "You know what, why talk theoretically?! Ask yourself what the Haredim do in the face of disasters that happen at a music festival or a football game? Would you find empathy there as they expect from others here? Wouldn't anyone there blame it on the crimes of secularism?"

    And I agree with the test. But I think you're very wrong.

    Here's a situation: a football stadium. Fifty people died. Wouldn't a standard Haredi feel grief? Do you see another Haredi post that says 'fifty Chinese people left'? Absolutely not! True, there won't be as much grief as a Haredi leaving, but there will never be such a great sense of alienation (London).

    To this should be added:

    There is a difference between spiritual activity (even if wrong in my opinion and yours) in which people are united, and superstitious activity that neutralizes value. The sadness in a religious action – which has the connotation of sacrificing a sacred moment, and in which people die – evokes more identification. And there are other differences.

    And yet – yes! They would feel sorrow.

  4. Your words are true. And it hurts, it's just a pity that innocent people were hurt and their lives were ruined by this thing. (Among them is my dear cousin, the lovely student Ariel Akhdut, deceased)

    And I quote the words of Rabbi Chaim David Halevi on the question "Are there coincidences (coincidences) in the life of an individual?"
    Of course it is! And the explicit verse is: "When you build a new house and make a parapet for your roof, and you do not bring bloodshed into your house, for the one who falls will fall from it." And the plain verse is: "When the one who falls falls from it, you will not be the one who caused it in the way that there was a blood penalty in your house. Hence, taking precautions prevents a disaster.... And if a disaster occurs without precautions, it is the fault of the person who caused this disaster to himself and others, and there is no mandatory "divine decree" here. When we know the cause of the disaster that befell humans, we do not need to look for decrees and punishments specifically. And it is very possible that the hand of chance and lack of caution in the matter caused such a parapet" (Responsorial Psalm, 17:6).

    And these words of Rabbi Chaim David Halevi, may God have mercy on him, are a reminder to the fools, the activists, and the ultra-Orthodox politicians who knew about the many deficiencies in the Meron complex and remained silent and disdained because of petty politics and vested interests. And at the height of their audacity, they dare to say that this is a "divine decree." (You can't get more harsh and slanderous than that.)

  5. Even when I read Yaron London's post, I didn't feel anything unusual. The media wants us to express empathy for everything that's happening in the world. It's impossible to open a computer without AdWords, about a child with cancer, about associations asking for money for bereaved families, about the blessings and the infinite virtues of various rabbis. The human emotional system is incapable of the pornography that the media presents. The world of admiration prevails over the world of reason. Dancing with a Rashbi pushes a million people, but studying the teachings of a Rashbi does not require a production police and government approvals and gimmicks. I am constantly surprised to see that slowly, year after year, mass rituals are replacing the Beit Midrash in favor of contentless popular worship and the self-gratification of the lives of my children.

  6. On the 23rd of Iyar 5774

    Yaron London is right! Someone who has no sorrow for the suffering of others is not a human being, and therefore there is no point in demanding that he identify with the suffering of humans. Indeed, these are different species. Chimpanzees will take care of their own kind and homosapiens their brothers, and one should not mix sex with another.

    Best regards, Adam Neander-Tal

    1. I mean, you felt deep sorrow when you heard that dozens of Indians died today from Corona, right?
      What's the deal with this stupidity?
      Each according to their social circles of affiliation.
      It is ridiculous to expect others to feel close to you,
      Of course, when the observatory is just a miserable mess that no one wants to even approach.
      The secularists are mistaken in thinking that there is a connection between them and the Haredim.
      They are arrogant and stupid.

    2. On the 38th of Omer, 5752.

      Man is not built on intellect alone. Man is composed of intellect and emotion, and both planes must be cultivated simultaneously. An emotional world that does not find its proper development in the direction of positive emotions – finds itself abandoned to the rampage of negative emotions, alienation, hatred, and anger.

      This is the importance of the pilgrimage, of which the pilgrimage to Meron is a direct reflection. When we ascend to Zion (in their dream, and to Meron in the sense of 'I have set up Zions for you' 🙂 'With the voice of joy and thanksgiving, a crowd celebrates', and in the lead, 'Pious men and men of action' walk and dance - the heart is filled with sacred feelings, and from there we take 'the Holy Spirit, a generous spirit' into the dreary routine of everyday life.

      Of course, the pilgrimage should be a return and a rest, as the psalmist says in Psalm 44: "For I will go through the midst of them to the house of God," with a single heel on the side of the thumb, and as was the case when the ark was brought up to Jerusalem, when David was carrying a chariot and was galloping about with every stride - the joyful procession stopped every six steps to sacrifice an ox and a ram, and they took care in an orderly manner to distribute to each of the participants "a sheaf of sheaves and a loaf of bread."

      The pilgrimages to Meron on Lag BaOmer and to the Western Wall in the three pilgrimages accustom us to the days to come, in which, as Isaiah prophesied: "And it shall be, that every new moon shall be fulfilled, and every Sabbath shall be to its Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, saith the Lord," and as Zechariah prophesied, "A hand shall be upon all the Gentiles who shall go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem." And, God willing, as we are able to successfully pass the "general return" - so we will come closer to realizing the desire of our souls and the vision of our prophets.

      The foundation for the success of a mass gathering to become an unforgettable experience is order and organization, the advance preparation of the organizers with the security and rescue forces. Preparation that will give each group the appropriate space and place to find the right place and time to rejoice in a way that suits them. Preparation will allow for a proper flow of the celebrating crowd, while planning in advance where to enter and where to exit.

      It is hoped that the trauma of the disaster will lead to a rethink and careful and detailed planning of how all the organizations and coordination will be carried out, so that the mass celebration will remain an experience for all its participants, and then even for cold-tempered Londoners - in Yaron's song 🙂

      Best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner

      1. והצעה מעשית: קצין משטרה קבוע שינהל את ההילולא says:

        And a little 'for fun' –

        What happened could probably have been avoided. The fact is that hundreds of thousands have been coming to Miron for many years, and the event is burned into their minds as an experience.

        The great advantage of an event that repeats every year is that one can become well acquainted with its dynamics and prepare accordingly. Those who are familiar with it know that at this time and place the lighting of the 'Rabbi Ehrlach' takes place, to which many flock. This influx is not a sudden rush - one can prepare for it in advance and create an appropriate exit.

        A regular event that repeats every year – it deserves to have a permanent commander who will not change every few years, but will specialize in it and only in it, out of knowledge of the conditions and the people working. Perhaps Nitzav Shimon Lavie would be suitable, whose name indicates that he is the great-grandson of Rabbi Shimon Lavie, the author of the piyut 'Bar Yochai', and 'Nimsacht Asherich Shemen Sasson Heberich' has already taken place at Nitzav Lavie :)

        In any case, it is desirable that the event commander be permanent and not change, thus increasing the chances of its success.

        Best regards, Ya'far

        1. On the 13th of Omer, 5754.

          To ease the load on Meron, the possibility of ascending Meron at other times of the year can also help, as mentioned in ancient sources, which were summarized in the articles of Prof. Meir Benyahu, 'The Conduct of the Safed Pilgrims in Meron (Sefer Safed = Sefonot 6) and 'The Ascent to Meron' (in 'Sefer Ze'ev Vilnai'9.

          A student of the Ramban who visited the country in the early 14th century relates: 'All Israel and the Jews gather there on the second Passover and sing psalms there.'

          A visitor from Candia (=Crete) who visited the country in the year 1473: 'The Hebrews will come three feet to see the burial of the important righteous men mentioned, and especially the burial of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, and they will beg with prayers of forgiveness and supplications to God, blessed be He, to give them water…'.

          The Kibbutzim of Safed came to Meron at various times to meditate on the Zohar. They would also come to the 'Hamishmara' prayer on the eve of Rosh Chodesh. The Ari, in whose time it was already customary to come to Meron on Lag BaOmer, came to Meron with his household and stayed there for three days.

          In short: It's nice to go to Meron, even 'not in times of stress' 🙂

          Best regards, Ya'far

          1. On the 13th of Omer, 5754.

            And with the terrible pain of the 45 precious souls who perished in the disaster, their descriptions present a wonderful list of people filled with love of Torah and love of humanity, fear of God with joy of life, immigrants from all denominations and all walks of life, Ashkenazim with Sephardim, Haredim with members of religious Zionism, who joined together in the joy of the Torah, 'for it is our strength and light.'

            May their noble lives be a lamp to our feet, and from them we will learn to direct our lives in awe, love, joy, and brotherhood! As King David says: 'And to me, O God, your neighbors will call you God, what is the head of them?' (Psalms Klett)

            With tears and hope, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel

            1. In the second half of the Omer month

              The shoddy management of this year's celebration, in which they drastically limited the number of participants, but turned the event into a nightmare for participants who had to wait for hours in parking lots without water, food, lighting, and toilets - proves that neither the police nor Brigadier General (res.) Tesler, who may be experts in security, understand the intricacies of organizing large-scale events that would provide reasonable conditions for participants.

              Why can they organize hundreds of thousands in a demonstration in Rabin Square, or tens of thousands of participants from all over the world in the Jerusalem Marathon, or to distinguish them in 'Gay parades'? 🙂 The police know, more or less, how to provide security, but they are no substitute for an event organizer whose primary concern is the comfort and well-being of the participants.

              The PND needs to do what they did during the Corona period in Bnei Brak and other Haredi cities, where the municipality invited a major general or a lieutenant general (res.) as a 'projector' on its behalf, which led to coordination between the residents and the authorities, coordination that benefited everyone.

              Here too, it would be appropriate for the mayors of the municipalities whose residents make up the 'majority' of the participants in the Meron Hiloa - Jerusalem, Bnei Brak, Betar, Modi'in-Ilit, Ashdod and Elad, Safed and Tiberias, etc. - to unite and establish an 'event administration' headed, for example, by the person responsible in Jerusalem for organizing the many mass events taking place in the capital - and this 'administration' would make all the coordination so that the event is both safe and happy.

              Best regards, Simcha Fishel Halevi Plankton

              1. מנהג התימנים: 'חלאקה' בקבר רחל בערב או באסרו חג השבועות says:

                The Jerusalem custom has been since ancient times to perform the 'halaka' on Lag BaOmer at the tomb of Shimon the Tzadik. This year, the Jerusalem Municipality organized a large Lag BaOmer event near the tomb of Shimon the Tzadik. The 'Mata Binyamin' Regional Council organized a large and successful Lag BaOmer event at the site of 'Ancient Shiloh'. The parents and their children climbed to the top of the hill, and there Rabbi Yehoshua Shapira cut the first curl for the three-year-old, to observe 'Tzadik Guzer...' 🙂

                The Yemenite custom was to give children their first haircut at Rachel's Tomb on the eve or the day after Shavuot. The custom is described in the book 'Opening the Gates' by Rabbi Shlomo Eliyahu Freiman (father of Rabbi Ben-Zion Freiman), who was the sheikh of the 'Ha Hurva' synagogue and of Rachel's Tomb during the Mandate period.

                Best regards, Shafi'il

        2. Indeed, and this is what those who know the area and know the place claim. There was an independent Kambetz on the mountain, who knew the area well, and knew how to direct rescue forces whenever needed. In such cases, he knew how to take command and direct the crowd and rescue forces. This Kambetz passed away this year, and his assistants claim again and again that he prevented such incidents over the years. And his absence is felt.
          I didn't know, but it's possible that a person with resourcefulness and familiarity with details does the job better than a thousand police officers.

          By the way, this is Rabbi Kuperstock.

  7. I only saw a small part of Yaron London's words, and yet it was completely clear to me that the angry reactions towards him were precisely the tears of a stolen Kozak.
    To be honest, I find it hard to believe that in the general public who are not Haredi/Shas, there are those who feel differently from Miron London. Except, of course, for a small percentage.
    That negligible percentage, in my estimation, is the percentage that has difficulty thinking, evaluating, and analyzing things for themselves.
    Unfortunately, this percentage seems to be increasing year by year even if no disaster occurred that year.

  8. "I repeat that from every event that happens, everyone learns what they thought before (as always happens in studying legend, the Bible, and morality), meaning they learn nothing from it."

    I must say that I do not understand the meaning of this attitude towards Bible study in general (I myself moderated a lot politically after I began studying the Bible and realized that the attitude towards non-Jews in Israeli society is very different from the traditional halakhic attitude, not to mention other issues in which the interpretation of the written Torah differs from the view of the Sages), and in particular why you are convinced that the study of academic issues is clean and pure from these trends. There is an article by Nadav Shnarb in which he lashes out at libertines who distort the halakhic law from a simple point of view in order to reach conclusions that align with their moral perceptions, and indeed he must admit that his demand for the integrity of theoretical logic and adherence to the simplicity of things as a supreme value is foreign to Chazalite thinking.

    1. This is a different discussion and has already been discussed at length in columns dealing with Bible study and Hasidism.

  9. An interesting response to Michi's words,

    Please read Michi's words critically, and you too will find it full of nonsense and nonsense.
    Anyone who wants to respond to what I write, please respond in a matter-of-fact manner (and preferably seriously) and not tease with things like "Ehud"
    "You are stupid and dumb."

    Below is the response to some of Miki's words (there's a lot more nonsense, I just don't have the energy):

    "Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and exercising your mind"

    Who determined that an emotional religious experience is not more important than exercising the mind?
    On the contrary, we see in the Holy Torah the significance of the matter of emotion:
    "Under which you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and with a willing heart above all else."
    Our concern in this world is work and devotion to God.
    Those who cling to God through religious experience are excellent.
    Those who stick through gossip and expertise – excellent.
    Of course, you need to make sure that when you get excited or excited, you really do things with devotion (for the sake of it).
    Besides, this claim is so stupid because it's clear that the Haredim (Hasidim and Lithuanians) study so much Torah,
    So to actually say about them "instead of studying deep topics . . ." is simply stupid. Sorry, Miki.

    "To spread challah with devotion . . . and then not acknowledge that it was of no use in any way"

    We don't see where it had an impact.
    Miki attacks a straw man (religious, of course) who says that anyone who expounds challah means a very specific medicine. "This is how the average religious person's brain works," Miki hints.
    This is absolutely not the case. Most religious people break challah (or perform any other mitzvah) to bring divine abundance into the world.
    Thinking that God is an ATM Most religious people finished their faith classes at about the age of 15.
    But of course, Miki still paints them as such.
    So it's true that we can't say exactly where and how it affects, but the fact that Smichy portrays the religious as "ATM people," when it is known that most of them are not that intelligent, just shows what kind of a hustler we are dealing with.

    "It starts with a few rebbes who are looking for a niche to define themselves in... This publicity, which is all about economic interests and power and honor... "
    Miki has no serious evidence that this is how things are. He presents them in a distorted and malicious manner.
    Maybe they are doing it for heaven's sake?
    Where does this vicious judgment come from?
    What does she rely on?
    I remind all of us that there was also a lot of splendor and honor in the Temple, so who necessarily determined that what was done in Meron was not with the same logic?

    "For years and generations, the Haredim have adhered to an ideology of alienation and separation from everything around them . . ."

    Of course, he does not mention that almost all of the donors (close to one hundred percent) to the late Rabbi Haber's organization are Haredi or Haredalim.
    And of course he won't mention that, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics, the haredim have the highest rate of volunteers.
    How does Miki deal with claims that clearly deny entire paragraphs he writes?
    So it's true, the Haredim have a problematic issue with the state (a large part of it is the fault of the state and the secularists),
    But Mickey (and London) ugliness turns this mouse into an elephant, in order to add fuel to the fire of hatred.

    "The speeches are fueled by the flames of "what's for us and what's for them". I myself was there and heard it. It's not everyone, of course, but this is the fundamental ethos."

    Again, if this is the "fundamental ethos," how is it possible that there are so many Haredim volunteering in hospitals, ZAKA, etc.?

    "Otherwise he will fail miserably as a pedagogical failure, which is not really appropriate for an omnipotent being like him."

    Even if it fails, the failure is because of us. Because of our *free choice*.
    No matter how good the teacher is, if the students choose not to listen, even if it is the perfect teacher, then there will be a failure.
    What Mikey is presenting is so absurd, it can be shown with a very simple example – there is no shortage of examples of master teachers,
    Both pedagogically and in terms of learning the material, their class failed because they chose incorrectly.
    So what does this say about teachers?

    Friends, I repeat again, read Miki's words critically and you will see how much he is misleading everyone.

    1. *** A very correct, but personal, statement has been deleted. There is no place here for personal and offensive references, what's more, every reader can see this for themselves. There is no need for the reading public in this service (MA)***

  10. Thank you very much for the post.

    They say that the Zohar writes that the one who goes to the grave communicates with the soul of the righteous and is exalted.
    It is also written that the Cave of the Patriarchs is a place from which prayers ascend to the Garden of Eden. And Jeremiah the prophet and Caleb the son of Jephunneh went to pray there.
    1) If someone prays that the righteous will save him, I understand why it is idolatry, but what is the problem if he prays that the righteous will pray for him or that "by the merit of the righteous" [the truth is, I have no idea what that is] God will save him?
    2) I spoke to a friend and told him that there was no source for what they did on Lag BaOmer on Mount Meron, and he immediately used the card "Everything is according to the opinion of the Arizal and the sages of Kabbalah who said that the Rashi distributes gifts to those who come, and those who did not deserve to come did not receive an invitation." Of course, at that moment I could not stop smiling, but I have never dealt with Kabbalah, so I have doubts. Maybe the Ari really wrote that?

    1. I said that there is no real "Az" there, but something that originates from idolatry (we will pursue spirituality). I emphasized this.

      1. 1. Hurting people's feelings is immoral.
        2. Not everything you feel needs to be told to everyone.
        3. It would have been possible to convey the message, or as you called it, "to set a mirror before the Haredim" – delicately without offending. He would have spared himself an immoral act and his words would have been more audible.

      2. Surely the Rabbis are familiar with the words of the Rambam in the teaching on the taste of sacrifices. He says according to this – that even all the generalities of the Temple and the many commandments that are associated with it, there is no literal meaning there, "but something whose origin is as if in idolatry."
        (And the only distinction is that in the Temple these are commandments from the Torah, and here, Belg BaOmer is a later custom.)

  11. Thank you very much for the kind words.
    The streets of Bnei Brak are now full of ads and pamphlets titled "What does the Lord your God ask of you," which is a silly pun on the number of deaths, and under this title it really says what the Lord asks: the city treasury knows that it is charity (it already published such an advertisement on Friday (!), Rabbi Kanievsky knows that it is prayer and modesty, the Rebbe of Gur knows that it is distancing himself from the harms of technology.
    I'm now going to sell your innovation in Bnei Brak: distancing yourself from the annual carnival in Meron and from idolatry (or should I say: the worship of the righteous) in general.

  12. A.
    I'm sure I'm not the only one, but what bothered me most about London's words was the timing and form. You may be right about his "naked" argument (or expression of emotion), but there is a way to do such a thing.
    When someone is suffering or in pain due to the death of their father, they say to them, "I share in your sorrow." This is even though it doesn't really bother you that your father died peacefully and you are even relieved that now there is an obligation and you won't have to avoid having a cantor perform.
    This should not be treated with disdain, there is a way to communicate and a person who is a well-known journalist should not express such feelings on a public platform and just days after the disaster.

    on.
    You are right about the fact that the Haredim are the ones who actually wanted and caused the alienation and their anger is hypocritical. But a similar argument can be made about London itself.
    Would London write something like this if a disaster had happened in the Shuafat refugee camp? I have no information on the subject, but I assume not.
    I argue that the left perceives the world as an international arena of the poor and that you have a greater obligation to those who are weaker. The Haredim are the group that deserves the most mercy from London and his friends, they are trapped in the traps of ignorance and poverty and "unaware of their plight" (don't argue with me about this perception, in my opinion it's all nonsense). It walks on eggshells when it comes to Arab and Palestinian society but doesn't bother to show fake compassion towards the Haredim.
    I mean, it may be that the approach he took in this matter is more appropriate, but I can't help but wonder whether he would have taken such insensitivity towards another company.
    I am simply hesitant because I am not familiar enough with London's work, and therefore I cannot say unequivocally that there is a double standard and hypocrisy here, and that it would act differently towards another sector in Israel.

    third.
    There is a very interesting correspondence between those who are certain that such events happen to "teach us a lesson" and people who see the orgies of holiness in Rabbi Shimon as something appropriate in a religious sense.
    That's why I find it hard to believe that you'll find someone who, on the one hand, criticizes the revelry in Meron and, on the other hand, looks for clues.
    There is an implicit assumption here that events always teach you that what you thought was bad is indeed so. It reminds me that immediately after the disaster, people were looking for culprits and somehow everyone blamed those they hated anyway. The right decided it was Getz, the left decided it was Bibi and everyone agreed that the dedications should be eliminated…

    1. These things were explained in my column, and I don't understand what I have to add. London, like me, has an interest in holding up a mirror to the Haredi public and making it clear to them where he stands with the public around him. Although he does this in a forum that Haredim generally don't read, and whoever chooses to be offended is their own problem, but it is what it is. Betad Ne'eman will not publish his words.
      In letter C, you repeated my argument. And you didn't insist that there is an internal contradiction here.

  13. "Beyond that, Yaron London expressed an emotion and not a moral or ethical position."
    Yes and no. Because emotion is a derivative of position.
    In this case, a position that does not recognize the existence (or importance) of a Jewish people, regardless of the vast cultural differences ('there is no difference between them and the Rwandans'). Such a position creates a feeling of alienation, while the opposite position creates feelings of solidarity.
    And a position can be criticized (or alternatively, you can also support it, but this is not just an emotional-psychological question).

    1. Not true. Even if a Jewish people exists (and I think London completely agrees that it does, and even sees himself as part of it), the question is whether this requires a certain state of mind toward its members. London apparently believes that it does not.

      1. You wrote: "The question is whether it *obliges* a certain state of mind towards its members. London apparently *believes* it does not."
        And indeed, it is a question of opinion and understanding, what the treatment of your people should be. Is it a careless population cut or are these supposed to be brotherly relations (not like real brothers of course, but not like a stranger).
        And emotion is mostly influenced by position (not only of course, but also).
        And this is also the reason why people came out against him, because they concluded that he did not recognize the existence of the people or the importance of the relationships derived from this connection.

        1. Again, not true. This is not a question of opinion and patience, but a question of fact. What is your mental state? The claim that you have to have mental state X is ridiculous. And the criticism that your state is different is no less ridiculous.

  14. First of all, congratulations on the comprehensive coverage. As always, I read with pleasure. Although, unlike your usual, you haven't innovated anything in this column, your opinion on the Rashbi's immigration is well-known, and your criticism of the Haredi public is also well-known. And you deserve a big thank you for the courage to stand up to the wave of nonsense that is washing over us.
    But for some reason you continue to deny the anti-Semitic nature of Yaron London's post. Why do you ignore an entire paragraph in the post?
    "The lack of distinguishing marks among the individuals in the image of the masses contributed to the alleviation of the sense of immediate danger. They resembled each other in the same way that buffaloes falling into the jaws of crocodiles that infest the Mara River during the great migration season on the Serengeti Plain resemble each other. The herd in its vastness rushes into the river, shoulder to shoulder. The buffaloes slide down the bank like a waterfall and cross the strip of brown water where crocodiles lurk, and the viewer does not distinguish between one buffalo and another, and therefore does not become attached to a particular buffalo, unless the photographer chooses to focus on a struggling calf whose stomach is firmly set. If, say, one of the people in Meron had been wearing a red shirt, or a wide-brimmed cowboy hat, or had stood out because of his height, or had a pirate's patch over one of his two eyes, my soul would have clung to him in some way, but I felt no closeness to the silhouettes that lacked uniqueness, thousands of identical silhouettes moving at a uniform pace on a screen." Television. What do I care if a few dozen of them fall like identical cardboard figures at a shooting range?

    London describes and compares the Haredim to a herd of buffalo!

    Is alleviating Mr. London's sense of danger by likening ultra-Orthodox Jews to a herd of bulls, each weighing half a ton, not anti-Semitism?

    I suggest you a way to diagnose whether the image is anti-Semitic.. Delete the part about the buffalo, and read the post again.. Suddenly it seems like just a post by a rude and impersonal person who enjoys saying "I told you so" on an inappropriate day. What makes the post "something" is the description of a herd of buffalo falling into crocodile traps.

    The comparison to Liat Winder's post is absurd. She is indeed (rightly) condescending to the Haredim. She feels alienated (understandably)
    But they never lose their human aspect for her, even if she herself believes that there is no one to decide and no purpose.

    With the blessing "And the Lord will wipe away tears from all faces"

    1. Well, and in your opinion, they are not like the buffalo. That's the feeling that came to me too. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It's a factual description of them. You remind me of the Haredi MKs, in whose eyes anyone who doesn't include them in the coalition or doesn't pay them a fee is an anti-Semite who disqualifies them just because they are Haredi. There are factual criticisms that are not related to anti-Semitism. There are those who don't want them in the coalition because they don't agree with them and don't want to fund them. There are those who criticize the herd that dresses and behaves the same, not because of anti-Semitism but because it dresses and behaves the same. That's also an option.

      1. Come on.

        I'll sum it up like this: Up until this response, you were talking about London, nonsense that only a doctor could say. Now you've become just a mute.

        1. My claim against London about the image of calves reminds you of ultra-Orthodox rabbis shouting anti-Semitism from the podium about budgets. Who do you work for?
          This time, 'See you'

      2. Michi
        I'm interested to know where you draw the boundaries of rational discourse. What bothered me most about London (and you) was the principle of denigrating a person as a person when you reduce them to an animal. As opposed to a legitimate "denigration" of ideology or even practice. It simply doesn't make sense (and is morally flawed, by the way). I say this as a secularist who identifies with most of London's words.
        Suppose he wrote that what was going through his mind while they were suffocating was that he was walking over them with a canister of Zyklon B. And adding to the celebration.
        If that were the case, it would be his factual report of the content of his thoughts. Would you support his self-testimony in this case?

        1. He didn't liken any person to an animal. That's just rant. He likened the appearance of the ultra-Orthodox to a herd of buffalo. That's talking about how they behave, not saying that any of them are animals. That's just nonsense.
          I had no problem in principle if it was an expression of thoughts that crossed his mind and not an endorsement of such an act. Indeed, that is true. Although this expression is offensive, but if the background is that it is about people who are selling a shilling on me in order to hurt me, then there is definitely room for expressing it out loud.

  15. When Miki writes a philosophical column, he seems like a philosopher. He may really be a philosopher, I'm not well-versed enough in philosophy to decide.

    When Michi writes a Torah column, he seems like a Torah scholar. It is possible that he really is a Torah scholar, because of my many sins I have been too narrow-minded to judge.

    But – when Michi writes a journalistic/political column (like this one and the one before it), he is seen in his natural dimensions: a useful idiot, brainwashed (flooded with a yellow liquid that has lost its way) and hateful. Admittedly, he is in good company. We have already heard of (real) geniuses in their field who were useful idiots in the service of the Soviet devil thanks to their ignorance of the realities of the world and their arrogance whose genius in their field testifies to them in every other field (cf. Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw and others). So the phenomenon is not unusual.

    What is indeed unusual is the intensity of the auto-anti-Semitic hatred wrapped in hollow slogans (some of my best friends…). Only an auto-anti-Semite like Weininger could defend Y.L.'s sick outpouring of hatred on the grounds that "all in all" he expressed his feelings authentically.

    In order not to degenerate into reductio ad Hitlerum, I will refrain from referring to a few paragraphs in the classic Mein Kampf (although it is absolutely necessary), and instead I will turn to a lesser-known classic, Die Juden in Musik ("The Jews in Music") by Richard Wagner (Hitler's inspiration model, according to his own testimony). In the first chapter, Wagner expresses "authentically" the feelings of disgust and revulsion that he feels every time he encounters a "Jewish essence" and even bothers to explain why. (This did not prevent him from aggressively demanding that the Jewish Hermann Halevi win his premieres. Hatred on one hand and livelihood on the other). Anyone who reads that chapter and returns to Y.R.'s column and this one by Michi will have a hard time not noticing the sick common denominator. By the way, I would not be surprised if Michi also defends Wagner, who "on the whole" expressed his feelings authentically.

    When a humanoid creature (Yal Shari) publishes such a disgusting column during the days of mourning for the late Rabbi, it can only be interpreted as joy for the dead, even if he wishes in his goodness to express sorrow "like for the deaths of Rwandans" (how sensitive of him). The comparison to Liat Winder's column is absurd and demagogic (and this has already been mentioned before). When Michi defends Yal's hate column, he publicly exposes the ugly nakedness of his soul. This has nothing to do with crying, it is a criticism of Haredi society (I too have plenty of this need). It has to do with the image of God that has apparently been lost to both of them.

    1. For the sake of the discussion's effectiveness, I suggest that anyone who wants to lash out, both at the Haredim and those who lash out at the Haredim, both at the infidels and the innocent and at Mikhi and Maos and at anyone else – should first of all properly disclose their sociological affiliation (original and current). This will usually save most of the rest and certainly the Schmaltz pathos. For example, Rabbi Mordechai, who here is almost certainly a well-educated Haredi, and the rest is self-evident.

    2. Mordechai, welcome. Long time no see. I would be happy in the future if you would also base your comments on arguments and not just on classifications. You have occasionally done so in the past, but there are cases in which you are careful not to do so (while making minor passive-aggressive cries, so to speak).

      1. Arguments? Were there "arguments" in your last two columns? Absolutely not. They were inferior rhetorical tricks seasoned with a lot of arrogance, arrogance and contempt for those who do not kneel and bow to the majesty of your down-to-earth rationality. See, for example, what you wrote in your last response above me: "He did not liken any person to an animal. That is just ranting. He likened the appearance of the ultra-Orthodox to a herd of buffalo. That is talking about how they behave, and not saying that any of them are animals. That is simply nonsense."

        With precisely such "reasons" Wagner explains the feelings of disgust that arise in him when he encounters "Jewish essence" (to the point that the "Jewish essence" is needed for him to sell his works, as stated above), and if it is nevertheless permissible to refer to "Mein Kampf", its author frequently describes there the appearance of the Jews he saw in Vienna (he never spoke to any of them) and laments the bitter fate of the south of the city "which gradually became contaminated" by the majority of the Jews who settled there, etc., etc. So these two great men of the world did not liken the Jews to animals (only Goebbels in his infamous films). They "only" likened the appearance of a herd of Jews, etc., etc. So you are asking for "arguments" when you yourself are nothing more than Wagner with a beard? (Actually, he also had a beard...).

        And since I've already bothered to answer (actually – why?…) I'll add something else.

        The first book of yours that I read was "God Plays Dice," and although I had some doubts while reading it (later I found that I was aiming to know some of your critics, who also raised points that I had not thought of), I enjoyed reading it and got a taste for more. I added and read a few more of your books until I reached the trilogy, where I sobered up and realized that you were deceiving me with deceit and deceit. In these books, and especially in the third (which I think is more terrible and terrible than the second, which received the most public criticism for some reason), you clearly contradict quite a bit of what you wrote in your previous books, but you don't bother to mention this and certainly don't explain what made you change your mind (or alternatively, why there is no contradiction here). How did the pure logic in "Man as Hay," for example, in which you explained why polynormativity is not possible, turn into a dual commitment to Halacha and democracy, etc. in the third book of the trilogy (to the point where the commitment to democracy may sometimes even outweigh (Commitment to Halacha)? I understood that you are really not a pure logician as you present yourself, but a rhetorical juggler who, like Klibovich, exploits the relative weakness of his admirers (Gruppis Belaz). It is also not difficult to identify the trend and goal you are striving for, except that Akmal.

        I stopped responding to this site because, unlike you, who are probably a big part of your daily routine (and that's perfectly fine), I have other things to do and the fight with you took up precious time that I would have needed later on those things. But I didn't take upon myself a vow to never respond, and I'm glad that others have risen up in my place who occasionally apply the teachings of Rabbi Hutner and stick pins in the inflated balloon, you Shlita. May you be blessed by heaven.

          1. Indeed, only a complete fool (or a complete evil person, or both) could make a vile and vicious comparison between Y.L.'s attitude to the Meron disaster and your attitude to the "Nakba," as you did in one of your comments below.

            In the Meron disaster, innocent civilians (some of them children) were killed as a result of the organizers' negligence. The "Nakba" came upon the Arabs of Palestine as a result of an evil decision by the "Arab Supreme Committee" to call on them to leave the country in order to make it easier for the invading Arab armies to slaughter Jewish men and capture Jewish women. The Arabs who left Palestine hoped to return after victory, to plunder Jewish property, rape their women and girls, and enslave them as sex slaves (according to ISIS). What kind of a "wa" would it be for a Jew loyal to his people to identify with the "Nakba"? And if there was such a "wa" would it also include identification with the pain of the German people over their defeat in World War II? And on the other hand, what kind of a "wa" would it be for a Jew not to feel pain over the death of his brother, even if he is *very* angry with them (and even if at certain points the anger is justified)?

            From response to response, you break records of your own embarrassment. A good thing is certain.

        1. Mordechai, could you at least hint at what you meant by the sentence "It's not difficult to identify the trend and goal that he's striving for"? Thanks.

          1. I don't have the strength or time for that. Read the third book in the trilogy and you won't have any trouble identifying it yourself. I don't understand why the second book (which is also terrible and awful) received the most criticism. The third book takes Miki out of the fence. (Here he will get angry and "come down" on me, I don't care).

        2. I think the main justified criticism of you, Rabbi Michi, and Yaron London is not about the indifference but about the joy of the Id. This is the essential point. As others have written here, the problem was that he was a kind of dance on blood, which is really an act that should not be done. Even if the Haredim sin against him (and you), then he should have said (to himself) "neither the sin nor its punishment." The real problem is that he does not understand that there is a shared destiny among Jews. This is not a matter of some cheap nationalist romanticism or vague feelings. This is not an emotion. This is reason. This is what Zionism is built on. Even if the Haredim do not understand this (and they do), the Zionists who founded the state did understand that no one in the world would help the Jews in their time of need except themselves. They grasped the issue of sharing the Jewish destiny (which is really something metaphysical - no matter how much the Jews try not to live as a people, the gentiles see them as a people and do not belong to them).

          This is exactly what the verse is about: "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls... lest the Lord see it and be displeased in His sight and turn His wrath away from him." And I have heard (or perhaps I am imagining it) that some have interpreted it as turning His wrath away from him and turning it against you. Although you do not believe in providence, if I were in your place (and certainly in Yaron's place), I would be a little more fearful for the fate of my family members in light of even the slightest fear (according to your opinion) that the Blessed One is still intervening in the world. Otherwise, it is a kind of Pharaoh's hardness of heart.

          And Job's friends didn't even rejoice in his misfortune, but only tried to tell him that he was to blame for his situation (out of concern that their orderly and clear worldview would not be shaken). This is worse.

          1. Emmanuel

            You wrote things, some of which are tasteful and others that I may not agree with. But when I read your "travel warning" to London and Michi (due to the long hand of "providence") I rolled with laughter. I guess this response also added me to the list of those who should be afraid.
            So, if you yourself manage to stay off this list, I would love to get tips from you on how to do it.

            1. According to my impression and memory from the site, you are secular and have no family (children), so it is clear that my words are not directed at you. Your words stem from frivolity and that is it.

              1. I didn't come to belittle you. It's just that if you were a man of faith (like Rabbi Michi) and/or had a family and children that you invested in and raised (like Yaron London) and were ever afraid for their fate, you wouldn't talk like that and that's it.

              2. First of all, I was deeply offended (although that is offset by the sudden sense of relief when I was removed from your list).
                Secondly, I am a person who believes in God (not in the Torah, God forbid) and you were also wrong about the second detail. Not that it's any of your business.

              3. I thought for 24 hours whether to respond again, but I am bound by the commandment of King Solomon. I have no interest in petty arguments. I am very glad to hear that you believe in God. That is a valuable thing (I hope it is a God who also punishes good and evil. Otherwise, the value is small). In any case, you are interfering in something about which you understand nothing. That is why I said that your ridicule was frivolous.

        3. Dear Mordechai,

          I completely agree with you. Anyone who reads these "arguments" of Michi critically sees that they are complete nonsense. When someone clearly shows him where he is writing nonsense, then he simply has no words,
          And he presents the second monitor as being "biased" and "using emotion instead of head."

          Miki himself is strongly biased against Haredi, against prayer, and against divine intervention in the world.
          He commits a huge blasphemy against God in the world. And the main thing is that he writes how serious it is to "be biased"

          And to top it all off, he is a provocateur with a small personality, evil, and, as I recently showed on the website, not a man of truth (although when it comes to lies, there are worse people than him).

          I will end with what an online blogger (an atheist, actually) wrote about you:

          "He's a slob, a troublemaker, and full of himself, even when he's talking complete nonsense."

          Lips will be watered. A spectator's view. A description of Michi.

          1. Ahand, maybe yes, maybe not, but what is certain is that you are just a pretentious and funny Kanye Katla. I was happy to update

          2. May our teacher Ehud teach us what that goal is that I strive for.
            (I'm asking honestly, do you think he's evil and a liar? What do you think the goal he's striving for?)

            1. Reply to UM

              Look, in my humble opinion, he wants us all to use more reason (the one that's fine by itself).
              The thing is, he doesn't notice that he's just talking nonsense.

              For example, note his following quote:
              "Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and exercising their minds, they prefer to meditate on Hasidic proverbs that require nothing and require no effort."

              I don't understand how anyone can possibly not criticize Miki for this argument.
              First, I'm willing to bet that 99% of those present at Meron do study Gemara and theoretical issues, etc., and also embrace the intellect, even if they don't do so with the intensity of Michi.

              Secondly, who said that a spiritual effort to try to delve into all sorts of "Chassidic sayings" is not better than engaging the mind in some endless philosophizing or rambling on an issue in the Gemara?
              Who? Who said that?

              The most important thing is adherence to God.
              If what leads a person to devotion to God is reciting "Imrei Shefer Hasidim" or an uplifting faith experience in Meron, then on to the kifak (I assume that the person truly adheres to God and not to the admor who lights the fire).

              Now that I think about it, it's possible that one of the things that drives me is jealousy.
              His books are not really successful, to say the least (not through Steimatsky or otherwise).
              Except for the provocative posts, this blog is generally uninteresting (except for a small group of regular readers).
              Another example – YouTube:
              It probably hurts Micky that Hasidic rabbis (and their ilk) manage to reach, for example, tens of thousands (and sometimes even more) of views on a YouTube video, while Micky himself barely reaches a few dozen views on a YouTube video (he is really very good at it, and the truth is, even in the little I listened to, I didn't find any great wisdom, to say the least). So Micky is perhaps jealous, and in response acts in an ugly way.

              In conclusion, and contrary to (or in depth of) my opening line, it's not that it hurts me that we don't use our minds enough, but simply that there is a devil of envy behind/deep down in everything.

              If you or anyone else wants to respond to what I wrote here, please do so in a matter-of-fact manner. Thank you!

              1. 1) According to your first suggestion, you are stupid and foolish, but not evil.
                2) You and Michy simply disagree on basic assumptions: You claim that the way to worship God is through such Hasidic devotion (or at least that it is primarily intellectual reflection), and Michy claims that intellectual reflection is the only way to worship God (except for the commandments, of course).
                3) a) Only the last few columns were about Platonism, a topic that doesn't really appeal to people to read.
                B) The lower passions are supposed to push you towards higher goals, that's what moral books are for.
                4) I personally think the concepts should have been refined a bit more in this column.
                5) A note unrelated to the column: Ehud, you always argue against Miki from his well-known and historically unhesitating statement (there is something about Miki that he is not willing to incorporate aphorisms when it comes to history, this is probably what causes the criticisms of the fifth notebook) that the pogroms were carried out against the Jews because of their *rightly* hatred and that he does not understand why they are not carried out today.
                This is truly a baseless statement: a) Pogroms are committed because of hatred, not because a person is obsolete.
                b) Today we have a country, and a UN that doesn't like us shooting at innocent people.
                And still, Ehud, this is a mistake, which can be argued about or not, but it does not serve as evidence of Michi's infinite stupidity.

              2. Reply to UM

                1. I don't think I wrote about Miki being stupid or moron.
                This is a very smart man, a doctor of physics, graduated with honors, etc.
                What I did write is that his arguments *on issues where he is intellectually biased* are stupid, false, or just plain unfounded.

                2. I argue that there are many ways to adhere to God – acts of kindness, a military career for the people, rumination on the Gemara (intellectual study), Hasidic devotion, etc. – “In all your ways acknowledge Him.”
                I disagree with Michy on his basic premise – that the intellectual matter is of utmost importance (and by orders of magnitude), and that this is the most serious way to serve God.

                Again, the main thing is that he simply writes nonsense. For example:

                "Most religious people think God is an ATM"

                "The people are stupid and vote for Bibi even though he is a funny person"

                "The Haredi Jews in the 19th century behaved in an ugly way towards society, and therefore pogroms were carried out against them"

                "Almost the entire Jewish people prayed (spoke to God) that Nachshon Waxman would return alive"

                Sorry, these are simply unfounded things (at best) or just lies. And of course there are many more examples.

                If you would like to continue the discussion, please do so in a new reply, as space is getting limited.

                Shabbat Shalom, endless faith and joy!

              3. To Ehud,

                I don't like (to put it mildly) to engage in psychological analyses of others. "Evil" is a moral assessment, "envious" can be a moral or psychological assessment. In the latter case, I don't share it, since I'm not a psychologist and even if I were, I haven't examined the patient yet.

                And most importantly, regarding the goals that Mikhi pursues – they are much deeper and more sinister than what you wrote here. Read the third book in the trilogy and you will understand that the man is a Trojan horse and a fifth soldier of the enemies of the Torah and Judaism. No less! Do not be impressed by his Torah columns and Lithuanian rants, do not be impressed by the breadth of his education (apparently it cannot be denied that he is truly a T.A.H. and a very educated person), do not be impressed by his verbal virtuosity (admittedly Leibowitz for the poor, but still) and do not be impressed by his cynicism and sarcasm. It is all a smokescreen.

                Behind everything stands a dark and sinister goal that took me some time to figure out from his books and columns on this site as well, and it is not necessarily a lust for honor and power. Not that it can't be. On the contrary, on this site I subtly hinted to him that his pretension to be "clean" of biases, heuristics, and "smear" lacks both a philosophical and scientific basis (I do understand something about this, and I agree). No one is "clean." The difference is between those who are aware of this and are as careful as they can be, and those who believe (like the judges of the High Court, for example) that their wisdom stands up to any bias and heuristics that only affect "plebeians."

                But the goals of Michy that I alluded to are not related to these petty desires. Note that in the thousands of philosophical pages that Michy has written in his life so far (at least the ones that I have read) there is not a single shred of innovation or idea that was not preceded by those greater and better than him. His contribution to philosophy is one big zero! (Apart from making some deep issues accessible to laypeople, the value of which is limited given the low trust that his mediation deserves for him and the Akmal).

                So why did he bother so much? Because his goals are ideological – the destruction of Judaism and Halacha from within. If I had the time and energy, I would write a long, reasoned article detailing everything and removing the bearded mask from his face. But (a) I don’t have time, (b) health restrictions, (c) I don’t have a public position anyway and no one will read or take it seriously, so it’s a waste of effort and time. That’s why I’m so pleased that among the legions of Mikhi’s groupies on this site there are also some who stick a pin or two in the inflated balloon (which sometimes bursts in a burst of insults).

              4. You would write a reasoned article but you don't have time. Reminds me of the stories about the Rebbe who would write a book that would excuse all the Shach's objections to the Taz, but was afraid of a hint of pride.

              5. On the 25th of Iyar 5774

                Liad – Hello,

                Maimonides and Ramada are trying to lead a revolution, but in completely opposite and conflicting directions.

                Maimonides attempted to establish a unified Judaism. To formulate a unified law and to formulate binding principles of faith. The opposition to him was for the suppression of other methods, in law and thought, that had gained a place in various circles.

                In contrast, Ramda advocates 'autonomy' as a supreme value. In 'No one has dominion over the spirit', Ramda demands the right of each person to determine their own theological view, without being bound by either the words of the sages or the words of the first and last.

                In "Moves Between the Standing" Ramda claims the supremacy of "halachic autonomy," which frees from obligation to the authority of the first and last, and in fact not even to the authority of the Sages, by placing "morality" as the decisive factor.

                If Maimonides sought to create one Torah for all of Israel, Ramada leads to the fragmentation of Judaism into millions of teachings of 'the righteous man in his own eyes will think and do.' The difference is fundamental.

                Best regards, Yaron Fishel Orner

              6. The combination of the two trends – the aspiration for the unity of the Torah together with the aspiration for the personal connection of each and every one – came through the path of Rabbi Kook.

                On the one hand, there is an aspiration for a Torah decision, to create 'Torah sovereignty in Israel,' and on the other hand, this unity must be achieved, not by uniting forces.

                What Rabbi Kook did in thought is parallel to what Rabbi Yosef Karo did in halakhic law. First of all, Beita Yosef brought the various methods and explained them, and then he ruled according to the majority opinion.

                The Bible and the Shulchan Aruch were a kind of virtual 'Sanhedrin', in which all opinions were discussed, and through listening and mutual understanding - 'counted and concluded,' and this is how the Rabbis worked in their writings, to create a deep understanding of the logic of the various methods.

                When you learn and understand each other, you can reach many points of agreement, and even in what you disagree with, you know how to cherish and appreciate each other.

                With the blessing of Shabbat Teva, may you be blessed.

              7. Paragraph 2, line 2
                …to achieve this unity, not through the victory of one, but through the unification and integration of forces.

                Paragraph 3, line 3
                … and then he decided…

                Paragraph 4, line 2
                … where all the information is gathered…

              8. Many good things are common to Rav Mikhi and Maimonides. The canvas is short. In both of them, the sincere concern for the masses of people who are lost and misled by a lack of learning and a lack of understanding, and the terrible fear of a subtle trickle of Judaism into idolatry on the one hand and disdain for Torah study and practical mitzvot on the other – are touching. Try to see the good.
                And while you're arguing, an innocent child was murdered this week who went to study Torah in a yeshiva.
                Good afternoon

              9. To Mordechai,
                Can we know who you are? That is, a little beyond the general characteristics that do not indicate an individual.
                Assuming that you are indeed associated with the Haredi community, are there others like you (meaning a number that is beyond the minority), who have acquired an 'external' education (whether self-taught or 'formal'), and know how to state things accurately?
                I was favorably impressed by the content of your words.
                Do you know Rabbi Michael personally?
                thanks.

              10. According to past self-references, Mordechai is a professor at Bar Ilan, I think in computer science (he certainly understands game theory).

              11. You went too far. Probably a lawyer of ultra-Orthodox origin with an education in the humanities and only a popular acquaintance with game theory (nothing more than that is needed for Migo matters)

              12. Anyone who knows Sen's impossibility theorem does not know game theory from popular literature.

              13. You are the second person to ask here, and I don't understand why. There is nothing relevant to the discussion or interesting. (Sometimes I bore myself so much that I fall asleep walking...). I don't define myself as Haredi, so what?

              14. To Mordechai,
                When we encounter other dimensions of intelligence (which, of course, is realized following the 'will'/determination of God), along with its realization in a way that is evident to the intellect (an active choice of the person), it certainly arouses curiosity regarding the subject and its derivatives.

              15. To all the guessers.
                To the best of my recollection, I have never encountered an attempt at "outing" on this site. I wonder what motivates the "hunt" to reveal my identity and why is it of interest to anyone here? If the intention is to keep me away from the site, one can say openly and directly that I am not welcome here and will stop. (I will not be offended).
                By the way, all the guesses are wrong.

          3. *** A very correct, but personal, statement has been deleted. There is no place here for personal and offensive references, what’s more, every reader can see this for themselves. There is no need for the reading public in this service (MA)***

    3. Wow..you also mixed "philosophy" with emotions here, not unlike Wagner, right? Wagner, Schopenhauer? Heidegger? They still study Heidegger at the University of Jerusalem? Better, Mordechai, to be a moral nihilist. It's also good that you didn't mention Leibowitz and his Judeo-Nazis..and to dip everything well with the word "anti-Semitism"

    4. You are not an expert in philosophy.
      In sins – you are not a scholar either.
      But you speak of a scholar of Torah in derogatory language taken not from Israeli sources, but from the language of the press.
      Secular.
      And if instead of reading secular newspapers you were to go to the website "In the World of the Haredim" - you would see
      Defense of Yaron London. The blog owner brought a video of a well-known Haredi (in commenting circles, not in learning circles) –
      In it he delivers his speeches and says about Remembrance Day and Independence Day: "Your grief is not our grief, your joy is not our joy."
      And now, Rabbi Mordechai, is the owner of this blog (an ultra-Orthodox rabbi) also an anti-Semite?

  16. I agree with the gist of Ron's words. Although I wouldn't call it anti-Semitism, but rather just contempt for humanity (comparing the ultra-Orthodox to the greedy). And since contempt is a value position (accompanied by emotion), there is much more here than just a factual description of what goes on inside London's complex psyche.
    What's more, if the contempt were directed at ideology or even at Haredi practice, fine, but here it seems to me that it is directed at the people themselves, including the unfortunate victims.
    And the timing is also not appropriate from a "value" perspective - after all, he could have written the same thing, say, another month, the exact same opinion (which he believes is correct), but that would have been much less of a pointless blunder.

  17. You are factually wrong (sorry, confusing the mind, so as not to come off as too gentle and polite)

    A. On the day of the Carmel disaster, I attended a wonderful Hasidic performance that took place at the Nation Buildings, and the entire performance was transformed into songs of emotion and sadness in order to identify with the disaster.

    B. When you talk about Haredim who do not donate, you are making a gross generalization. And I am not talking about the impoliteness (swear at this terrible concept) of you and Yaron London who compared the Haredim to a herd of animals in a time when a little sensitivity is needed, but I am speaking mainly from an intellectual perspective. Is it because the mainstream of the Haredim does not donate that they all deserve criticism? Even those who have degrees, work in senior positions and contribute to the economy (among those who were crushed were some of them). Do the white shirt and the hat eliminate the individual? Do they eliminate the achievements and contributions of each person? Are you supposed to feel alienated even from those who do donate and do so often with social sacrifice (unlike the average secular person) just because they adapted their dress code to Western culture?

    You also wrote that the Haredim do not contribute to the health sector, while there are thousands of volunteers in dozens of rescue and medical aid organizations.

    The feeling is that you wrote out of emotion, and as you wrote at the beginning of the article. Emotion can lead people to talk nonsense. (That's actually a valid point...)

    PS I really wonder why you take such an approach, because far fewer people are convinced that way. As a person who talks about rationalism and intellectual decisions, wouldn't you want them to accept your words?

    1. Yossi, I'm sorry, but I have no chance of ever convincing people who make arguments like yours. These are empty words that completely ignore things that I've already explained clearly. Well, when the emotions subside, maybe you can read again.

      1. And another note, about not understanding what I'm reading. This column is not trying to convince people not to be Haredi or not to like Haredi, but to think rationally and not emotionally. Therefore, I do not strive for the goal of convincing people against the Haredi, and in any case, the harsh writing does not touch my goal. Those who are willing to address the arguments and not get emotional will be able to derive the lesson and achievement required from my words, and those who are not - it will not help in any way. Let them continue to read Yated Ne'eman and WALLA.

        1. Even if the essence of the article was not about the Haredi lifestyle, there is no doubt that you would want to convince people of the righteousness of your teaching, even if it is secondary to the main point of the article. Moreover, you miss the main point of the article in this way, since people develop antagonism towards all things. (Most of whom, as is known, are emotional and not calculated and rational like you). You often seem to be right and not wise, even though in this article you somehow missed the two limits.

          You completely failed to respond to the claim. Time and again you tend to belittle the claimant instead of responding to the claim and then preach against this phenomenon itself.

          I see absolutely no difference between racism towards Ethiopians, Mizrahi and Circassians and the Haredim, although what holds them together is some kind of shared ideal (which is also not accurate at all, because Satmar Hasid and Chabadniks are by definition also under the same umbrella called "Haredim" despite extreme agenda gaps). Writing generalizations in such a tone ("I won't lie that I was happy for a while"), in addition to being disgusting and repulsive, has all the ills of racism. It causes unnecessary hatred, inflames passions and widens the gaps between Haredim and the general public, and also indirectly blocks many Haredim from progressing because they are put in the same row with those who do not contribute, etc.

          Of course I didn't understand anything and everything has already been answered and I'm a fool and don't understand.

          1. Indeed. You answered yourself and saved me. When I see questions, I will try to answer them. I didn't notice any of those with you.

            1. I will try in the future to offer question marks, if they constitute a barrier to understanding (!)

              1. Below are my questions.

                A. In your opinion, doesn't the harsh, blunt, and aggressive style cause people to develop antagonism, both against the central argument the article deals with and against the other arguments that you are ostensibly trying to convince between the lines? And if so, as a person trying to influence, isn't it advisable to refine things so that they are more acceptable to people?

                B. Would you make similar statements towards Ethiopians?
                You will probably argue that Ethiopians are not harmful, but I am speaking against the generalization and the enormous damage it brings to the discourse directly and to the progress of Haredi society indirectly. After all, not all Haredis are not contributors or harmful (question mark)

                C. You separate manners from substantive arguments, but along the way you trample on every most basic rule of manners and write in an extremely insensitive manner. Do manners themselves have no value?

                D. You explain at the beginning of your speech that you enjoy arguments that hide behind cynicism, these questions were quite clear within what I said. Oh wait, I'll add – wasn't that so?

              2. I have a surprise for you: adding question marks doesn't turn statements into questions either.

                1. In my opinion, no. At least to those to whom I am addressing. I have already explained this.
                2. Definitely if my feelings towards them were similar. You answered that yourself.
                3. I write in a super sensitive way.
                4. There is no question here either.
                That's it. I won't respond to such trolls anymore.

              3. It's great that you were able to answer these questions. Personally, I've been convinced by you more than once, and these kinds of statements make me think there's an emotional motive here, which makes it very difficult to address your arguments in a matter-of-fact manner.
                It's really insensitive to share the joy you felt following the death of 45 people. I find it bizarre that this is even a topic of discussion.

              4. I have to expand on this joy for Eid, even if you see it as trolling. It just doesn't give me peace.

                A. If you don't agree with the feeling and agree that it is terrible, why are you sharing it? Forget that it is not fun to hear such a feeling shared about death, you are precisely explaining here why emotions have no real value, so why are you spreading problematic emotions so publicly? Is the feeling and desire to rape a girl also worthy of sharing or should it be treated?

                B. If you justify that joy, how come you don't see a problem with generalization? How is it possible to feel joy for the same reason also toward good people who contribute to others, who were there, among other things?

        2. If your goal was, indeed, to "educate" people to think more rationally, then you have failed. At least in my opinion. Rationality also involves the distinction that you fail to make here between "truth" and "truth-telling." What is truth-telling in this case? For the sake of discussion, let's assume that all of London's words are true (I really think most of them are) and therefore their statement is tantamount to "truth-telling."
          On the other hand, "truth" itself is broader and brings into discussion various considerations relating in this case to emotions, values, assessment of the acceptability of things and perhaps most importantly - the centrality of timing. A rational person is one who bases his moral decisions (in this case, to write or not to write a provocative article/column) on familiarity with the broader truth and not on the somewhat childish impulse to "tell the truth." Cognition precedes the norm and the act of its fulfillment.
          Please note: I in no way think that anyone is forbidden from making the (mostly correct) claims of London. On the contrary, in an "academic" forum and especially at a different time, it is obligatory to criticize the Haredim and their problematic mentality.

          Furthermore: There is a certain common denominator between the "sanctification of emotions" and the emotional discourse that accompanies it and those who are so determined to "tell the truth" under any and all conditions. I don't put you in the same boat as the "herd" (I sinned in this myself) who try to think from their gut about everything and everyone, but you are definitely anchored in the same marina.

          In my vision of a rational society, it is absolutely forbidden to forbid people like London or you from expressing their opinions in almost any form and at any time. Including in this case. But the second section of that "document" states that one should try to "educate" them - a task that you are not the only one allowed to pretend to carry out - that telling the truth is not the main thing, but the truth itself.

  18. How do you really distinguish between the real need for politeness and the decline of PC?
    Is the distinction that when you want to make a certain claim and avoid it because of a sense of need for politeness, is that PC?
    I can think of examples where politeness clearly prevents making a claim, for example, at a condolence meeting for the families of the victims of Meron, telling them: "I told you so" (which would be on the tip of my tongue if I were going to such a condolence meeting).
    I can't put my finger on the difference. Is using the word "nigger" impolite? I don't know.

    1. Even if Yaron London thinks so, this childish flaunting of what he feels or doesn't feel shows cruelty and a desire to annoy.
      And one more thing, it's a bit ironic that you criticize someone for condescending writing..

      1. There is a difference between someone who is arrogant, knows it and says it, and someone who pretends not to be arrogant, but among the shitheads arrogance arises. I imagine that the criticism is for the hypocrisy or the lie, not for the arrogance.

        1. Correct division. But beyond that, I didn't criticize her for being arrogant. I pointed out that she also has arrogance like he does. And here's another arrogant statement of mine: Reading comprehension is also important.
          Oh, and London's desire to annoy does exist and is completely understandable and completely legitimate.

    2. After all, I wrote that it wasn't. You can certainly avoid presenting an argument out of politeness. Using the word nigger is not polite if it offends someone (and that's the situation today). You can rebel against the imperialism of insults, where every word becomes offensive, and not cooperate with it. But it's a question of politeness. PC is something else, and I defined it briefly in the column.

  19. I saw many rabbis who came out against the introduction of Meron in the wake of the disaster. Rabbi Arousi, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, Rabbi Lior.

  20. A lot of text.

    There is an explicit and demanding prohibition against the dead. All those who go to Rashi's grave violate it.

    But to the same extent, those who agree with and demand Yaron London's words are also transgressing and demanding the dead.

    But because those who turn to Yaron London's words also violate the "Do not turn to the ancestors and the learned," it seems that their situation is worse than that of those who go to Rashi's tomb.

  21. "He wrote the truth with remarkable honesty... a description of the feelings of a liberal Israeli who felt alienated from the ultra-Orthodox...
    "What is not obvious here? What is here worthy of criticism? This is an authentic and honest description of feelings that many Israelis feel but do not dare to say because of consideration for the Haredi."
    There's only one thing I didn't understand. What does it have to do with this being the truth and this being something felt? There are many true things I don't say, and if you need an example - I don't tell someone I don't love and whose relative died that I'm happy for him, and I assume that if you see someone say that you wouldn't compliment them on "honesty that is worthy of note." In the same way, I don't tell someone on the street that they are ugly even if they are truly ugly. Not sharing in the grief of families of your people who lost their loved ones in such a great disaster, or worse, rejoicing for their death, it certainly doesn't elevate, and if someone still feels that way, it's worth examining their actions and seeing how they are working on themselves so that in the future they won't feel that way, and certainly not making it public, certainly not at such a terrible time.

    1. To the wonderer – Hello,

      For exposing his savage hatred, to the point of joy for the suffering public, Y.L. deserves great praise. The liberal left always boasts of its feathers of morality and sensitivity to human dignity and freedom. Y.L. stood and discovered that there is neither morality nor sensitivity, neither human dignity nor freedom. He deserves a Pulitzer Prize for important journalistic exposure! 🙂

      Best regards, Faivish Lipa Sosnowitzki Dahari

      1. מאחורי דבריו של י"ל עומדים גם תיסכול ומצוקה says:

        It is possible that some of Yal's hatred also stems from his envy. He grew up with the insight that the secular leftist is the 'salt of the earth', progressive, enlightened and successful, compared to the religious and right-wing who are dark and primitive and will soon disappear from the horizon.

        To them, the national, traditional, religious and ultra-Orthodox public is only growing, both in numbers and in political influence. Not only have we not disappeared from the horizon, but we have also 'stole their country.' Hence their hatred of Netanyahu, who represents the dark 'Jews' who stole the country from the enlightened 'Israelis.'

        And when the 'state thieves' also receive empathy and participation in their grief – it is already beyond the capacity of the 'Israeli' who was robbed to bear it 🙂
        How Kishon said: 'Sorry we won' 🙂

        Best regards, Prim Tibi

        1. There may be a point of truth in Y.L.'s words, and it is what he calls 'agoraphobia,' the aversion to crowds. There is something crude about crowds. Extroversion stands in some contradiction to introversion. And it is not without reason that Michal, the daughter of Saul, abhorred David's joyful interference with the 'mothers of his servants.'

          But he whose spiritual world is truly illuminated by the secret, knows how to see through the coarse mass veil, the noble interiority that lies within. This is the way of David, who is able to distinguish between 'mothers' and 'mothers'. He who fails to connect with the interiority of the masses - perhaps it is really better to stay away from the masses.

          Best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner

          1. The distortion in his view is the attribution of the masses to a particular sector. In every sector there are people who think and delve deeper and there are those who think less. The idea that someone who thinks differently than you doesn't think is a great distortion.

            Best regards, Ya'far

        2. In the Book of Acts, I remembered to them the covenant of the firstborn, 5645.

          The outpouring of anger – by Yaron London and Ramda – at the Haredim indicates the complete opposite of alienation. One does not speak of strangers in such blunt terms. One gets angry at those who care to be angry at, and when a person is outraged by the leadership or views of his relative – he 'pours out his anger.'

          Perhaps that is why it is said that the terrible curses in a rebuke are really blessings. Anger indicates high expectations from the one being angry with, expectations whose disappointment at not being fulfilled is infuriating and outrageous.

          When one reads Moses' rebukes to his contemporaries, one gets the impression that they are a stubborn group of rebels and refusers. And look, it is a wonder, at the end of the rebuke in which Moses speaks of the exile that will come to the people as punishment – comes the promise: 'And I will remember for them the covenant of the first ones, with which I brought them out of the land of Egypt…'. Who are those 'first ones' whose covenant the Lord will save their children by? – The generation of the wilderness…

          An overt rebuke indicates hidden love, but an overt rebuke accompanied by overt love is more effective. Thus, the last of the prophets, Malachi, opens his harsh words of rebuke with "I have loved you," and announces that the great zealot, Elijah the prophet, will also be the great physician, who will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, and bring about correction through dialogue and mutual listening.

          With the blessing of Shabbat Tava, Simcha Fishel Halevi Plankton

          1. And evidence of something that he cares about,

            After all, if there had been a disaster in China or India that would have aroused sympathy in Israel – would Yaron London have bothered to publish a post to loudly declare his lack of concern? He would have remained silent and that would have been the end of it. The mental need to inform the committee of how much the disaster was unknown to him is the strongest evidence that he cares, and he is trying to suppress this concern.

            But what to do? It won't work. A Jewish heart will remain a Jewish heart, and denial has not succeeded.

            Best regards, Chief Halevi

            1. And to Yaron London's credit, it should be said that he did not bother to express his indifference to the disturbances in the mixed cities and the rockets from Gaza. This is also progress.

              Best regards, Chief of Staff

          2. Which is true, true. And I think he himself wrote that alienation is at the farthest end when joy is closer to the ego. Hatred is better than indifference or disdain. And yet hatred has bad consequences. It will hurt him too in the end.

        1. Where not? In the column itself and in the talkbacks. Putting things out there is not meant to hurt but to set a mirror before this society. Look at your own actions. You differ ideologically, study in separate institutions, separate parties, separate places of work, separate colleges, do not contribute and exploit, and now you think we will have empathy for you? He also did not go to a person but to say it, but wrote it on a general and public stage that typical Haredim do not even usually see. There is no problem with that. On the contrary, say what is good at the time. In short, not only are the things true, but writing them is also useful.
          An example of this is participation with the Palestinians in the Nakba disaster. If I were to write that I have no empathy for the victims of the disaster, that would be true and also a good thing. It is the same here.

  22. All along it was pretty clear that the whimsically based "moral system" you advocate would lead you to these kinds of statements and agreements.

    The truth has come out.

  23. igod uploaded a video in response to the disaster, calling on the rabbis to stop this idolatry that is taking human lives.
    Go build a country…

  24. I usually don't respond here. It seems to me that if I had studied at Bar Ilan, we could have talked a lot, but despite everything I disagree with you, it's impossible to really have serious discussions in writing. But I'll try this time - it seems to me that there is a perception, even a reasonable one, that sees merit in the ability of a person or a Jew to feel the pain of the public, the more complete the person is, the wider the circle. In other words, it's a moral standard. I'll be honest - unfortunately, I didn't shed tears over the Meron disaster either, but the difference is in the word unfortunately. The difference is that Shiron London put an exclamation point after this statement. I see this as a flaw that we should try to overcome, but certainly not brag about. A parable about prayer (another institution that you don't accept, but you'll be able to understand it, continued) - I can say that I can't direct, explain exactly what in prayer today bothers me, but to say it with sadness, hoping that I'll be able to improve, and I can break the mold. It seems to me that this is also the difference between London and the teacher in question – she experiences the dissonance, she does not deny her true feelings, but she understands that they are complex, somewhat flawed, and yet she herself gives room to both movements – the distant sincerity, and the desire to hurt and identify.

    1. How many times can I go back and explain?! There is a virtue in participating in the public's pain if you feel a part of it. But even if you feel a part of it, there is no virtue in feeling it. Feelings are facts.

  25. There is an equally big problem (in my humble opinion...) and that is the reference to the thoughts of idle and empty-headed people like London and his ilk...
    It's understandable that they would say and do anything to increase their damn ratings for a living, but what about a clear-cut TV station like the many filthy websites and screens that frequently poison the public atmosphere...
    At least there is no reference to the vain words (according to rumor) of Rebbetzin L. Greener, who will live…

    1. In my opinion, he is neither boastful nor empty, and his words here were also points of view that are worth considering. In general, I examine the words, not the speaker.

      1. To the best of my recollection, in the Corona controversy, there was no substantive reference to the position of those opposed to the mainstream position, and even disdain was expressed for their very audacity to go against the concept…

        But a more fundamental question – is referring to the words of the London Poacher (according to Google, which testifies to itself) indeed for the purpose of seeking the truth and publishing it, or is it, as with the Poacher and his friends – an attempt to increase ratings and nothing more?

        Because I feel that raising the slanderer's thoughts at such a time and in such a way does not contribute positive value, it mainly causes anger.

        Does the end justify the means?

        Is it appropriate to provoke a provocation in order to raise a point for discussion (no matter how important it may be)?

  26. What annoys me the most is the constant comparison between Lag BaOmer in Meron and a trance festival. It’s annoying because that’s what I answered a few years ago to a secular person who asked me why I was going to Meron. I told him (after one year of having a little fun in Meron) that I was going because it was the craziest festival there is, and holy!!! After a few years I answer myself – listen.. you haven’t been to a good party in a long time…
    You don't have to worry about Rabbi Michi.

    1. Everything is correct, except for the word “in holiness.” It’s exactly the same.

      1. It's not the same at all. The music sucks, everyone is dressed inappropriately for a party, it's crowded! Really crowded! Lag Ba'Omer in Meron is a nightmare disguised as "holiness", it doesn't even come close to a trance festival. A trance party is fun. It's relaxed and pleasant. There's good music, and wine that makes a human heart happy. Below.

  27. It reminds me a bit of Leibowitzian childishness, which is unable to see the complexity that exists in phenomena and in man. Either a pure mitzvah or idolatry – there are no intermediate shades.

  28. 1. It's a shame you don't study the Bible. If you had read the Book of Job, you would have learned that blaming the mourner for his trouble is not desirable before God.
    While this may seem obvious to most people, you could actually learn a few new things there.
    2. There is a big difference between saying that there is a reason that we do not know and saying categorically that it happened in the course of nature and that there is no statement from God towards us. The difference is that someone who follows the first path will wake up to ask themselves what I can improve. They will probably arrive at things they have already thought about, and not something completely new, but perhaps they will still make some progress. Someone who thinks that everything is in the course of nature will not wake up to reflect on any event.
    3. God doesn't want to teach us anything, he just wants to allow us to learn.

  29. And yet, Miron…
    As someone who is quite averse to the move to Meron, etc., I got to ponder things.
    In my opinion, despite my personal inclination, the ascension to Meron is nevertheless important. The path you present in the books and on the website is not suitable for the general public, it is a very aristocratic path.
    A large public also needs culture and cannot rely on intellectual inquiries, etc. The aliyah to Meron gives people cultural and experiential value and there is a push for them to keep the mitzvot (in practice, this is what many people who have made the aliyah to Meron have testified to me), and this gives, at least on the part of the people themselves, added value. It should be noted that although emotion is just emotion and perhaps it should be less significant, in practice it works and has a great impact on people, and therefore it needs to be nurtured, especially if people see it as a significant part of the service of God, and even if it is not really that subtle, it affects the entire attitude towards Torah and mitzvot.

    1. Even if you are right, this brings us back to the issue of holy lies: is there justification for inventing and lying to yourself and others in order to strengthen yourself in the service of God?

      1. In the month of Omer, 5752.

        To Ramada – Greetings,

        What does a 'holy lie' have to do with serving God emotionally and experientially? What strengthens a person's connection to his Creator is, God willing, a 'lie'? Didn't the Rambam teach us that the joy that a person feels when performing the mitzvot is a great principle, and so did King David say: 'Serve God with joy, come before Him with singing.'

        David learned this secret from the great counselor who taught him: 'In the house of God we walk with emotion,' and for this teaching David held a favor for him and called him: 'Rabbi, my master and my knower.' Perhaps the angel Michael, who is 'a distinct intellect', can lose God without the need for emotional reinforcement - but King David, who aspires to pass on the Torah to all the avenues of the people - understands that the Torah must also be passed on with the help of emotion, experience and joy.

        Best regards, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel

        1. חידושו של רשב"י בשנה: חיבוב המצוות אף הוא 'חיי עולם' הי"ג says:

          On the 25th of Iyar 5774

          Indeed, Rashbi also criticized the fact that "they assume eternal life and engage in temporal life," and those who diligently study the Torah as Rashbi does are exempt from even the service of prayer. However, after he had shut himself away in the west for another year, the year 13, Rashbi was relieved when he saw a man running with two hadas, opposite "remember" and "keep," and said, "How beloved are the commandments to Israel." We conclude that according to Rashbi's conclusion, what brings a person to love the commandments is their greater virtue than "eternal life," since loving the commandments leads to a person's persistence in engaging in them over time.

          Best regards, Ya'far

          1. In line 2-3
            … After he had shut himself away in the cave for another year, the thirteenth year, Rashbi was relieved when he saw a man running in honor of Shabbat with two hadas…

  30. If the rabbi agrees, I would like the rabbi to write a systematic review of the question of responsibility in the case of the Meron disaster. Are the participants considered to have harmed themselves? Do the various authorities have a degree of responsibility?
    And another general point, recently there have been many weighty ethical questions regarding life protection, such as the change in the informed consent procedure, which led to the resignation of some members of the Helsinki Committee, the Corona decrees (why is the blood or livelihood of the market vendor less red than the blood and livelihood of the tax authority official, is it permissible to harm a part of the population that is not at risk for the benefit of a population that is at risk?) and now the Meron disaster.
    So many fundamental decisions were made without proper value discussion.
    Instead of Torah scholars taking up the gauntlet and conducting a serious discussion on the questions, I mainly saw a large number of rabbis bowing down and aligning their positions with the state's decisions.
    Maybe the rabbi will pick up one of the stones that currently has no counterpart?

    1. In short, people who come to an event assume that if it is approved then it meets the standards. This is a treaty between a citizen and his state. The state must have committed a crime by not taking care of safety standards (who in the state is, that's another question). Therefore, the basic responsibility lies with the state. Although there is common sense behavior when you see a dangerous place, and we have indeed heard of people who were there and fled for fear of the dangers.

      But there is no room for this discussion, since your question is not defined. What does "who is responsible?" mean? You need to define what the discussion is about: Are they suing the state? The state is suing them? Are they suing an insurance company? Are they suing each other?

      Terms like "folding" have a critical connotation, and this is just your compromise. There is not necessarily folding here, but rather an acknowledgement that the responsibility and authority lies with the state. A rabbi can say what he thinks should be done, but the one who determines (also according to halakhah) is the state. Take as an example Rabbi Kanievsky, who did not "fold" and set the norms for his community himself. In doing so, he led to the deaths of many people, both inside and outside his community. So he acted in the right way? He did not "fold"?

      1. 1. You are right that I did not write down a precise question. The precise question is – what is the law in the event that the injured parties sue the state?

        2. You are right, there is indeed criticism, but not because of the halachic ruling. I did not take a position on the bottom line of the ruling. The criticism is that the decisions are made without a value-based discussion. For example, before the expulsion of Gush Katif *yes* there was an in-depth discussion between rabbis of high standing regarding the relevant halachic questions (the boundary of the mitzvah of settling in the Land of Israel, refusal of an order, the authority of the state). On the issues I listed, there was almost no discussion at all, hence the criticism. Are all the decisions made by the state self-evident? I wonder. In this respect, the criticism applies to everyone, including Rabbi Kanievsky.

        1. 1. If the state was supposed to take care of the standards, then they can certainly sue it. What need is there for a Torah discussion here? This is a legal question, not a Torah one.
          2. The discussion is not taking place because the state is not really interested in what rabbis think about various issues.

  31. I strongly identify with what is being said. And as a woman, my soul is also torn by the tiring intensity of the tasks: "Urgent! Forty women to make challah" (by the way, in Vizhnitz they already sell dough for making challah), "Now don't be lazy with the Psalms! Which chapters are you taking?"
    Beyond commitments that don't always come true, forgetfulness, constraints, it happens to everyone (breaking a vow...?), I ask, why these tasks? What's wrong with one reading of this week's parashat with Rashi? Two pages in Nechama Leibovitz? Half a page with Schottenstein...? (What our poor education allows for),
    My dear sisters, why not upgrade yourself a little? Wouldn't that achieve the same goal, and perhaps even more?

  32. But, on the other hand, regarding the sentence: "It is much more satisfying and uplifting to excrete challah while muttering... and then not to acknowledge that it was of no use in any way. No drop of weeping and sublime murmuring returns empty, as we know."
    Are murmurings and prayers not likely to help? I know your view that God does not intervene in His world, but man does. Hence – is it not possible for prayer (and even murmuring), study, and so on, to bring man to insights, to ideas, to morality – to that true essence that, if he grasps it, he influences?

    1. Whoever wants to gain insight should think and not mumble.
      This reminds me of my late father's advice to our Haredi family members who were busy searching for ways to make a living: There is one proven way to make a living – to go to work. Proven and tried.
      And I was also reminded of the story about Rabbi Kluger, the rabbi of Brody and the district, who had two people from a village near Brody come to him to ask him a difficult halachic question. He thought and thought and did not reach a conclusion. They went their separate ways, and the next day they returned to him and told him that the young rabbi of the village had answered them quite quickly. Rabbi Kluger was amazed that such a rabbi and rabbi was near him and he had not heard of him. He summoned him to his house and asked him how he had done it. He answered him: Listen, your honor. When the people came to me, I did not know what to answer. I entered the room and prayed in tears to God to help me. Immediately my eyes fell on a book that stood out on one of the shelves, I took it out and opened it to the very answer that answered this question, and that is how I answered them. Rabbi Kluger threw him down all the stairs, and said to him: Go home. I thought you knew how to study, but it turned out that you only knew how to howl. This is a story from the stories of dissenters (on the scale of the stories of Hasidim)

  33. The comparison between Yaron and Liat doesn't begin. That's exactly what the criticism is about: Many are killed in a terrible disaster, citizens who share an identity and nationality with you (although not the same values), and you write that in your eyes it's like peeling garlic, calling them clearly derogatory names and even accusing them of making you feel sorrow through their impudence. So much the opposite of a plenum that feels their pain and *makes an effort* to feel part of it. The justified criticism of Yaron is that he is not empathetic, even if he really wants to believe he is. He is empathetic only to those who are not the same. This is not empathy. Animals also feel sorry for their young. Empathy is participation in the plight of *the other*.

  34. The site asked about publishing the investigation into Meshi Zahav on the day he attempted suicide. The questioner brought Rabbi Sharlo who claimed that it should not be published on that day tps://mikyab.net//--1TP3 T95--% 95--

    And you answered like this
    I completely agree with Rabbi Sherlow. It's not about hiding the investigation, but about staying until he finishes his treatment in the hospital. There is no urgency in this investigation class right now, and there is a lack of sensitivity towards the family and perhaps a hand-washing attitude towards those who are treating him (especially if he himself hears about it in the hospital). Beyond that, when he is in his condition, he has no way of responding (if I'm right that he didn't have time to respond on the program itself). If they air it after he recovers, nothing will happen. It seems to me to be just a gut feeling.

    I can't understand how a person who responds with such sensitivity and compassion to even the lowest type of rapist (and who has great value in expressing insensitivity towards him) loses sensitivity to the horror in Meron.

    It seems to me that every word is unnecessary.

    1. Ron,
      Second time in two days that I agree with (almost) every word you say.
      Miki would certainly say that the comparison is flawed because here we are talking about expressing a position on an entire public, and what is at stake is the fate of a private individual.

      But such an answer, if it does emerge, is a cover-up.

      In any case, I'm very interested in how, right before our eyes, a smear campaign against Miki and his opinions is currently taking place here on the site (and I don't know if it's justified or not, because Miki not only spoke nonsense, in my opinion, but also sought to provoke).

      Mordechai went too far in his response to Ehud. There is nothing in these words to say anything against him or his words (it is possible that all of them are true and it is possible that only a small part of them are true).

      In my opinion, this is an excellent laboratory for all of us.

    2. Indeed, every word is unnecessary, including the words you wrote. The divisions are as simple as a whistle, and I'm sure if you had bothered to wait a minute and think a little you would have figured them out yourself.
      1. With Meshi Zahav, it's about a specific person, not the public. London addressed his feelings towards the entire Haredi public. No one should be personally offended by this.
      2. I would also be in favor of publishing Meshi Zahav, but we can wait. This publication may have consequences in personal law. Publishing London's words will not cause any harm, except perhaps for a few robbed Cossacks who will scream.
      3. The Haredi public does not deserve empathy because it itself works to differentiate itself from the public and alienate itself from it. So whining about a lack of empathy is the cry of a robbed Cossack (this is the art of the Haredi). You are eating the work of your own hands. Meshi Zahav behaved in a problematic manner (by the way, as far as I know this has not yet been proven), but he certainly tried to be involved in the public and deserves empathy despite his weaknesses and sins.
      4. The Haredi public is to blame for what happened to them (it is a result of their conduct, and we are paying the price), with Meshi Zahav it is only very indirectly.
      5. The Haredim have hurt and continue to hurt Biron London, Meshi Zahav has not. This has an obvious impact on his personal feelings towards them and towards him.
      I could go on and on about the differences, but any further words would be unnecessary. 🙂

      1. Have a good week.
        I bothered to wait much longer than a minute. I am a devout reader of the site (both the columns and the responsa) and I remembered your answer well in the context of Meshi Zahav. And I thought a lot about finding differences. And when I didn't come up with an answer that would satisfy my mind, I brought up the dramatic contradiction between the response to Meshi Zahav and here. I have no logical explanation for how you can bring up differences (which are indeed differences) in which there is no substantial difference. And I will elaborate as a peddler.

        1. You assume that harming the public (by an influential and highly educated person) should not harm the individual. Nonsense! This is just as insulting and hurtful. If I speak offensively about the Ethiopian community, can I claim that I did not harm the individual?? On the contrary…
        2. The results in the law of life that you claimed regarding Silk Gold, also apply here. As far as I know, there are quite a few injured people who are hospitalized... Maybe this will discourage the medical team from treating them properly. After all, the injured do not deserve compassion, etc.
        3. You wrote that Shamshei Zahav deserves compassion because he did something for the public despite his weaknesses and sins.. Are you serious? It seems to me that most of them, like everyone else in the ZAKA organization, Hatzalah, soup kitchens, helping the needy, are Haredi! Doesn't that deserve a little compassion?
        4. The Haredi public is guilty, and Meshi Zahav is indirectly guilty?? What on earth is Meshi Zahav indirectly guilty?? The man raped children.. He knows that an investigation is going to be published, and chooses to commit suicide rather than face it. What is indirect?
        5. Meshi Zahav has directly and sickeningly hurt so many people. The harm to the Haredi public in London, even if severe, certainly does not justify an offensive post at a time of the brutal death of 45 young people.

  35. You should meet with the great philosopher of fools, Yaron London, and consult with him on the final solution to the Haredi problem.

    Since these are buffalo-like creatures, one can think of creative crocodile-like solutions.

    Good luck.

  36. Regarding the influx of Aggad studies due to the study of Gemara in detail -
    You claim that this stems from shallowness and a preference for the easy way out, but you assume here that even students of agga know deep down that studying the Gemara is of higher value and yet decide to study agga. I think this is not so, but most students, both agga and ayun, will not admit it, but they know deep down that studying a Talmudic issue is intellectually enjoyable but does not add any important knowledge or insight to you - just like playing chess or a puzzle, and not like studying science. The reason for this is that in order to start studying a Talmudic issue, you are forced to accept false assumptions, and after you have shut your nose and accepted them, you can begin to enjoy it. For example, you can greatly enjoy a topic in Tractate Shabbat on the second and third vessels, but you must accept: a. The rules of study and ruling (Gash, etc.) b. Specific to this topic - that God really wants anyone who made tea in the first vessel to be stoned in the presence of witnesses and a warning.

    1. I suppose there are some and there are others, but I think the high ratings have something to do with it. What's more, the very fact of studying a legend indicates shallowness because you don't really learn anything there (even in those very few lessons and articles that are of a good level). Therefore, it is clear to me that as a phenomenon this stems from people looking for an outlet for their own ego.

    2. By the way, it is equally difficult to believe that God cares whether I make tea in the first or second pot. Why do you only talk about the study and not about the actual Halacha? And if it interests Him halachically, why assume that He is not interested in us learning it? Because it is difficult for people and they seek experiences and thrills, and this is where the "ideologies" come from.

      1. I didn't understand why it was contradictory. Of course, everything starts with the halacha itself. I think people don't really believe that this is what he wants. (There was some small prohibition, but stoning?) And anyway, there's no point in studying it. By the way, if you pay attention to what I said, you'll notice that I wasn't talking about those who find studying the Gemara difficult, but rather about those who enjoy it.

        And a side note, in general I very much agree with things you write and greatly appreciate. But in the end, I don't understand how such a systematic mishnah, which seeks the truth without compromise, ends up saying that I won't make tea in the first pot. This is something I can't accept. Since it's so absurd, I don't even see the need to get into halachic quibbles. Apparently it all starts with you accepting the Gemara as formal authority. Could you please provide a link to an explanation of this?

        Thank you very much!

        1. You are entering into a much broader question here. I was talking about a person who is committed to Halacha and yet goes to "study" Hasidism and legends. Someone who is not committed to Halacha should not study anything.
          Your question about tea in a first-class vessel is demagogic, forgive me. If you accept that there is a halakha, then its details are not fundamentally different from each other. Tea in a first-class vessel or eating pork seem the same to me. Halakha has its own ways of development, and you can follow the development of each halakha and see how it was created. There is no point in asking about a particular halakha, one way or another. Even if specifically regarding it, it does not seem to you that God wants it. If pork does seem to you, then I have no part with you. I don't seem to see anything.
          Maimonides in Refa'i Mahal' Teshuvah says that one should do the truth because it is the truth, meaning what God commands. Not because it will bring us any good or benefit. Therefore, misunderstandings of this kind have no bearing on the very nature of the obligation.

          1. The use of the example of the first weapon is not demagogy (appealing to emotion) but mockery - a minor act that requires the most severe punishment at the hands of a person (a pig, for example) is also "a little more logical" (see, for example, all the incorrect and unconvincing explanations about a health problem, internal impurity in this animal, etc.) and the punishment is not that terrible either - whipping, you can live with it. But for the discussion itself, I definitely do not accept the entire halakha as a whole. I argue that even the believers and the recipients do not really identify with the fact that they are "doing the word of God" and that there really is such a serious act here that requires stoning. An interesting survey that could be done (perhaps within the framework of the website?): How many people would be willing to lose all their wealth for this? For example, if your apartment burned down on Shabbat (without fear of personal injury) and you could put out the fire and save a few million, which is all your savings, would you do it or not? Now you will probably argue that people are weak and therefore will fail in the attempt and this does not indicate the degree of their identification. But if Asked which of them would be willing to kill a human being to save a few millions, I think there would be a few of them (I hope none).

            Another thing, even if I accept the halakhic world upon myself, and I already know that I am forbidden to make tea in a first-class vessel, why should I study the issue in Tractate Shabbat for the sake of studying alone if I will not learn anything new from it? Just like in the legend..

  37. Hello Rabbi.
    Question following the post
    1. Does the Rabbi think that emotion has a role in the world? Ostensibly, emotion is supposed to make intellectual truth more evident and more upheld.

    2. As I understand it, emotion is a derivative of opinion and values. So the claim of (some of) those attacking London is about the value world in which he finds himself. He did not define his emotional state as weakness, but as a position he stands by. That is none of my business?

    1. I will clarify 1 more, the human being is composed of several layers, one of which is emotion, it makes sense that the truth should also permeate and be expressed in it, like the well-known difference between saying to your wife I love you and meaning it, not just a weakness to express the truth with emotion. This is morally correct. Or does the rabbi see things differently. (asking about the principle, not about the event itself)

      1. To be honest, I was debating whether to respond. But you're one of several writers here that I use to work on my measurements (so far, quite successfully, to my delight), so I decided to respond to your question anyway.
        (I wrote this to explain why I usually don't respond to your messages, because they are not worth responding to. There is another question here that is in itself worth responding to, and therefore I am responding to it here.)
        This has been explained here more than once. Emotion can express perceptions and attitudes. If it exists, there is nothing wrong with it, and even if it does not exist, there is nothing wrong with it. This is how a person is built. Incidentally, he is also built with the evil inclination and the desire to speak evil. Does this mean that it is worth engaging in this as well? Agam can use emotion for good purposes. When emotion is used for bad purposes or when it becomes the focus of attention, it already contains a dimension of idolatry.

        1. This commenter named Ayalon is not Ayalon, who is one of the regular commenters here on the site and who has met with you several times. This is another commenter with the same name.

        2. Okay, thanks, I realized there was someone else with the same name as me, so I changed the name.

          Regarding 1. So according to the Rabbi's method, it is a type of ability/talent, and it is clear that one should not blame whether one has it or not, and like any ability, it can be misused.
          Agreed, but emotion is more than just an ability, it's an expression of how deeply rooted you are in something, isn't it?

          According to London, I ask in principle how the rabbi sees the value of emotion, if he has any at all.

          2. I didn't quite understand if you answered me on 2, then the claim of (some of) those attacking London is factual, isn't it?

          They simply attack the position and perception that led him to alienation/joy for the Id, "How can you be so arrogant, this is part of your people?" They didn't really talk about the emotion but about its perception, meaning there is a debate here about values/worldview. Does the Rabbi agree with this?

          1. Hello Rabbi, I read your words again, there is no need for you to answer me on question 1, I only understood your words on question 2. I would be happy for you to answer me 🙂 Thank you

            1. 2. I wrote against these claims that my words are directed at. And I explained that the alienation he feels is definitely related to his position, but that this position is necessary in light of the behavior of the Haredim and in light of his perception that being part of a people should not necessarily lead to identification. I wrote that they cooked up this porridge and now they enjoy howling against its existence. So, indeed, this is a factual claim, and I completely disagree with it. I explained that too.

  38. Regarding the Rabbi's policy on comments-

    You encourage readers to be sharp in their criticism, and that in itself is greatly appreciated in my opinion. Usually, opinion writers who want to show to the outside world that they are also willing to accept criticism demand "one basic requirement" from their critics - to write in respectful language. On the surface, it seems logical, but they use this to dismiss completely legitimate questions that every Hattan is asking because they are too difficult. The writer blocks and uses the rules of etiquette like a robbed Cossack, as the rabbi described here.
    Therefore, there is something very good about denying yourself the ability to block and avoid difficult questions.
    The problem with this is that people here don't understand it properly - they think that if they insert words like "idiot", "charlatan", etc., it will make their question witty and sharp (and I was hardly impressed reading some of these comments, they usually don't have any great brilliance in them)

    As a reader, this is very disturbing to me, but I have no other solution to offer, I'm just raising the problem here.

    1. I don't have a solution either. Some of the commenters here are seriously obsessed, some are not the sharpest pencils, and Adam Ewo is not guilty of a lack of talent, but he is guilty of a lack of awareness of it. Others are more pointed, but they have an obsession that is probably motivated by great anger. I allow them to pour out their bitterness here, as long as they are arguments or pseudo-arguments. I only reach for deletion when it comes to outright insults, and usually that's towards others. I have no problem with that towards myself.
      I have already written here that I use some of these responses as a means of my virtue work. Our forefather Abraham was tested in more difficult trials 🙂

  39. Hello Rabbi,
    Below are 2 quotes from the article regarding emotion, which seem to me to be correct, either that emotion is nothing and if you sin at all (below quote 1), or that emotion is a legitimate thing to act upon (below quote 2). I would be happy to resolve this. Thank you
    Quote 1: "I have written more than once about emotions being overrated. We (almost) all have emotions, and indeed it is appropriate to take them into account. However, emotions are now seen as something sacred that should not be harmed. Indeed, one should not hurt people in any way, at least as long as it is not necessary. But emotion is not a guide and cannot guide us as to what is right and what is proper. Furthermore, usually when a person writes and speaks from turbulent emotions, he will speak nonsense. The main reason for the shallowness of discourse in our circles is the glorified attitude towards emotions. Emotion is the father of all sin, and it is responsible for the horrific stupidity and rancor in our discourse."
    Quote 2:
    "But this is an emotional, not a moral, claim. On the emotional level, London's feelings are what they are. These are facts and he is just telling us about them. There is no expression of a moral or ethical position here, so I see no room for criticism of it."

      1. I see now that you answered this above in response to another question-
        "Emotion can express perceptions and attitudes. If it exists, there is nothing wrong with it, and even if it does not exist, there is nothing wrong with it. This is how a person is built. By the way, he is also built with the evil inclination and the desire to speak evil. Does that mean that it is worth engaging in this too? Agam can use emotion for good purposes. When emotion is used for bad purposes or when it becomes the focus of attention, it already contains a dimension of idolatry."

  40. I risk writing things that have already been said and that you have addressed because I don't have the strength and time to go through all the responses. I admit that when I read Yaron London's words, I already imagined your response, and it was more or less what you actually wrote here. And I think the problem with London's words and also the way you address them lies in the basic claim that "emotions are overrated." I definitely agree with the diagnosis that there is a serious problem with the fact that emotions have become an argument in principled discussions about ideas. The fact that someone was offended by a certain statement does not make them right or vice versa, and it is also true in my opinion that contemporary discourse deals with it nonstop and without justification. It has nothing to do with what happened here, nor with the principled claim about emotions. Because emotions are not "overrated" - on the contrary, in today's society, in many ways, emotions are pushed aside. They don't have enough space and people are thirsty for a place where they can simply feel and where their emotions are valid. In the world of therapy (which you love to disparage, completely without justification) there is a significant word in this context: "validation." Validating an emotion is not the justification of the emotion, but the recognition of it. It is not for nothing that a special word was chosen for this purpose, because the justification of an emotion is a non-empathetic act, because who am I to give grades to what another person feels? After all, an emotion is not "right" or "wrong", it is a reality. And when you validate an emotion - you acknowledge it, you acknowledge that it exists, that it is real, that the person feeling it is not inventing or manipulative. This is true both for difficult emotions such as guilt, self-hatred, suicidality - and for "bad" emotions such as greed, hatred and aggression. Recognition of the world of personal and human emotion is the basis for all communication that has tenderness and empathy. It is the basis for almost all interaction that has humanity. It is difficult for me to describe a moral world without this ability and without giving the world of emotion a central and significant place. Yes, that's right - you cannot solve the Schrödinger equation using emotions. But human existence is also made of emotions, and the ability to communicate emotions has been the basis for so much. That is why I strongly object to the statement that "emotions are overrated." I agree with the statement that "emotions should be given their rightful place."
    From here to London's words – as you said, Yaron London is not expressing any kind of statement about reality in his words, but rather describing his feelings. No one disputes this. The criticism of him stems from two places: First – for having managed to bring himself to a state where he is so alienated. One can argue with this, because why are Haredim supposed to be closer to him than Cambodians, etc., etc., and it still seems to me that there is a point to the flaw in this alienation. Here it is a bit of a matter of taste and I can completely understand someone who does not feel shock and upheaval and can even appreciate the inner honesty in admitting this.
    But secondly – many people criticized the timing, and the condescending and humiliating wording. Their comparison to a herd of animals when people are still sitting on their children. And this fits in with London's general personality and with his condescending, humiliating and arrogant statements in other contexts as well. The same post could have been published in a softer form (just as Noked did, and it was not for nothing that her words were received with love), and it could have been published with similar firmness after the bodies had cooled down a bit. He chose not to do this, and as a skilled and polished media person all his life, he probably knew very well what the result of publishing in these words and at this timing would be. Emotions are not overrated – and I wouldn't be surprised if what motivated London's publication was emotion: the desire for the spotlight, for relevance, for being the bad boy who shouts the king naked, for the feeling that he is smarter and superior to the mindless masses. These are all emotions, and it turns out they are not that exaggerated, but important.
    In closing, I will add that if we have any ambition to correct the deficiencies and flaws you describe here, the isolation and suspicion between the various publics – then yes, posts like Noked’s are posts of correction, even when they contain criticism, and posts like London’s are destructive and spoiling posts, which only deepen the alienation and the problem. And again – I will point out and emphasize what you said yourself – the difference between the posts is not the objective content but the emotion. Empathy, closeness, inclusion, recognition and validation on the one hand, and arrogance, contempt, hatred and alienation on the other. Emotion is what distinguishes. Emotion is also what God will bring about correction. I hope so.

    1. If you claim who I am to judge the feelings of others, then don't judge London's feelings. That's on the substantive level. As for the question of whether it was appropriate to express them, I've addressed it quite a bit here.
      I argued that emotions are overrated, not about hiding emotions but about using them as an argument in discourse and seeing the harm they cause as an exclusive concern.
      And regarding the question of alienation between the publics, even if you are right that it deepens the alienation, I am completely in favor. I oppose the leftist/Christian approach of turning the other cheek. The Haredim are mainly to blame for this alienation, and I am absolutely not in favor of petting them so as not to deepen the alienation. They cooked up this alienation and they should not complain about its existence. On the contrary, if there is any chance of any improvement, it is only due to posts like these that present an honest and sincere image to them instead of wrapping their feelings in consideration, some of which is fake and flattering (not all of it, of course).

      1. It's not right for you not to read what I wrote and force me to repeat myself. I explicitly addressed the question of London's judgment of emotion – I wrote that there's not much to say there, although I can understand someone who would say that there's a point in faulting him for bringing himself to a state of alienation (understanding that there may be nothing to judge about an existing emotion, but we still have some control and some choice to shape our personality), and I also added that I can understand this emotion and even appreciate the honesty. So I've already answered that point.
        Regarding alienation – it’s a shame that this is your position. I work quite a bit with Haredim and see how the gaps and differences are softening. If your goal is correction, then in my opinion the path to that end necessarily goes through paths of empathy and understanding (and not just there). It is possible and even likely that here too the secular public is doing a better job, I’m not Haredi so it’s hard for me to know, but I dare to guess that the secular public is indeed better at including the other than the Haredi public, that wouldn’t be a big surprise, although they don’t lack for it either. But in my opinion, this is the goal that should be strived for and I don’t think that posts like Yaron London’s promote such a goal in any way, if anything, quite the opposite. The same goes for any analysis that tries to sterilize and remove emotion from the discussion. Not because those who are in danger or harmed are right, but because emotion is part of reality and it motivates people and it is part of who we are, and the attempt to address an emotional issue (and the social problems of the Israeli public in general are certainly also emotional problems) from a starting point of "emotion is overrated" is doomed to failure, in my opinion.

        1. And one more thing – if when you told me not to judge London’s feelings you were referring to my saying that he is driven by feelings of lust for publicity and the like, then nowhere did I judge what he feels. I judged that as a mature and experienced person, he lets this emotion lead his practical decisions. It is certainly possible not to judge an emotion and to judge actions taken as a result of this emotion. I do not judge a person who feels hatred or anger, but I will judge someone who decides to murder based on his emotions, for example.

  41. I read your words carefully from the beginning and also responded to them. I don't see anything new in your words that hasn't been answered.
    Regarding your last message, you decide that his emotions led to his decision and I disagree with you. I argue that the decision to express his feelings was informed and correct, so I don't see on what basis you determine that it stemmed from emotion. It seems to me that you didn't read my words.

  42. As a Haredi who lost friends in the disaster, I was very hurt by the things said. I didn't see any accusations there, just a big break. I suppose it's entirely my fault that I was hurt, since according to you
    Emotions are the "mother of all sins." And God forbid I want to whine or get angry, because according to you, all angry discourse naturally stems from the "sanctification of emotion"... It's better for me to let my disgusting emotions go, and ask you honestly, do you want to exclude emotion from any discussion? Do you want a discourse that is entirely filled with opacity? A hundred thousand irrational people come there every year, and it's their right to be a little illogical. Even if you hate them (don't deny it). If they feel like being barbaric and pushing and profaning without a source from Sinai - that's their right. I saw something very illogical at a funeral: a grandmother wailing over the grave of her grandson - a boy who was crushed to death. After all, crying won't bring him back to life. Humans are not only rational, but also human, and therefore they "sin" with emotion. Is your utopian world where machines will replace doctors and National Insurance committees? - then the disabled person won't be able to complain about opacity! Because the robots are fed by clear and relevant criteria... We are a logical people, a people of the book.

    But most of the people were unreasonable: they made sure to embrace and identify with their pain, and put the criticism and polarization aside. That's what I love about this people, they are unreasonable.

    1. Indeed, people also have feelings and it is not appropriate to hurt them. On the other hand, I do not see what harm is in London's words. He is simply describing an alienation that he feels, which is of course a direct result of the Haredi policy that insists on alienation and lack of partnership with the environment. At the same time, the Haredi speakers insist on alienation on only one side. They are not supposed to participate in anything and contribute anything, but everyone else must feel their pain, care for them, and feel empathy with them. So I am sorry for the sorrow and mourning and for every person who has passed away. I truly feel the pain of every person who is sorry, but I am not willing to pay the price and not express positions or demand that London not describe his mental state that is required in this regard. The silencing of any critical discourse under the guise of hurting feelings is a well-known Haredi and Muslim technique, and I refuse to submit to it.
      The demagogy that I expect machines to replace National Insurance doctors (by the way, that would probably only be an improvement), is not worth addressing, of course. It is part of the same apologetic and aggressive propaganda that London and my little ego have come out against. The same demagogy that explains to us that in the State of Israel there is anti-Semitism against Haredim because they are not given exemption from the army and are denied budgets or coalition or any other banal thing. So forgive me for not being impressed by these typical attacks.
      What you like about this nation I really don't like. It's that they're unreasonable. By the way, I assume you don't like it either when it's turned against you (do you like the unreasonableness of this nation in relation to the ultra-Orthodox? For example, in their unwillingness to allow separate academic study for those who desire it). When it's convenient, you like it.

      1. It's hard for me to assume that anyone was offended by Yaron London's words. Statements of this kind mainly humiliate the speaker. His language is known for being rude and blunt, even towards those close to him in opinion, and his importance today is nil. Perhaps the Atra Din is the only place where his words still receive 'fasting'. As they say in Latin: Sic transit gloria Mundi.

        Best regards, Over a bottle

        1. Hebrew translation of the proverb in line 4: 'Thus passes the glory of the world.'

        2. In the seventh day, a day will be celebrated on which 'and in the caves in the rock thousands of suns will shine', 28 Iyar 5754

          Yaron London's connections with the world of secrecy began in his childhood. As is known, Yaron London is 'Yaron Zahavi', the founder and commander of the 'Hasamba' group, which is: 'A group of absolute secrecy.'

          Just as Rashbi's group fought the Roman occupiers, so does Yaron Zahavi's group fight against the British occupier. The 'Hasamba' group also operates in a secret cave, which was founded by Yaron Zahavi's father, aka 'Shimon the Locksmith'.

          This explains Yaron Zehavi-London's anxiety about the mass gathering around Rashbi's cave in Meron, since a secret group cannot operate in a crowded place, just as the Hasamba group was abolished when the Tel Aviv Hilton Hotel was built in its place.

          However, this claim must be answered, since the power of the Rashi is the ability to make the secret the property of all. The Rashi teaches us the virtue of the soul of every person from Israel, who, deep down, thirsts for the living God, and therefore the Rashi says that he has the power to 'exonerate the entire world from judgment.'

          One must ask what is the justification for the world being rid of law? Is it good for the world to be a no-man's land, a place where there is law and there is justice?

          The answer to the question is that the Sharshbi envisions a reformed world in which there is no need for judgment, because all who come into the world will do the truth because it is truth, and the good because it is good. They will serve God purely 'for the sake of Heaven', neither out of fear of punishment nor out of expectation of reward.

          The Rashbi believes that he has the power to inspire the entire world to worship God for His sake, a service that is complete only out of love, so that there will no longer be a need for "judgment and judgment."

          In this corrected state, each and every one will reveal the secret of his soul's thirst for God, "like a buffalo that must spend many hours in water to refresh itself and gain strength." Thus, a person will feel the need to connect with the Torah, "there is no water but the Torah," and from it he will draw strength and power.

          Then the "deviants" will become "t'ai'im," from the phrase "t'ai'im lak'em," who will direct and direct all their energies to doing the will of their Father in Heaven, as a form of "work of high necessity."

          Best regards, Yaron Elimelech Zahavi-Zorkin the Excavator

          1. However, Rashbi conditions his ability to resolve the world from the law, with the addition of Jotham, King of Judah, who excelled in his humility, as he managed all the affairs of the kingdom during his father's time of hardship, without attributing greatness to himself.

            For in the trait that Rashbi instills – seeking the truth for its truth without bias – lies the risk of disagreement and division of hearts. The danger is great that everyone will believe that their way is the only truth and will fight anyone who thinks differently, and then the Torah will crumble into thousands of teachings, which belittle and fight each other.

            Therefore, the great humility of Yotam is needed. When the Rashbi's demand for truth is joined by great humility - each one will also find the sides of truth in the words of his rabbis and friends, and then the complete picture will become clear, in which all sides of the truth in all opinions contradict and complement each other.

            Best regards, Yaz

            1. Paragraph 3, line 2
              … May everyone also find the truth in the words of their masters and friends…

          2. [Where did you learn to interpret 'a buffalo that is in need of water'? The usual interpretation is an ox that is caught in a snare and cannot move. And I do have another interpretation of this verse, similar to yours, but I have not seen an interpreter who interpreted it this way. First, fainted and lay down is interpreted in terms of fainting and exhaustion, also as a result of thirst, as in that day the beautiful maidens fainted from thirst. But what is a buffalo that is in need of water? For this, the above is a buffalo that is roasted and burned and all black, like our skin as an oven, they were blackened from the torrents of hunger, and translated, they were blackened and darkened. And Isaiah wants to say that during a siege there is "the famine and the sword" (famine within the city and the sword without), and within the city from the famine and thirst, your children fainted and lay down at the head of all the streets like a buffalo that is in need of water, meaning their skin was blackened and they lay down fainting in the streets.
            And by the way, this verse in Isaiah is an aid to the interpretation of the translation in Lamentations and not in Raba'a, because in the verse in Lamentations they lay down in the open country, young and old, Raba'a interpreted them as lying down dead. And the translation interpreted them as lying down dead, meaning as if they were sleeping. And in the parallel verse in Isaiah they passed away, meaning they did not die, but fainted while they were alive, like a dove whose head the sun beat on and he fainted. And it seems to me that the intention of the translation is that the word lying down means death only for someone who dies on his bed, as is the custom throughout the land, but someone who dies in the open country is called dead. As it is written, "And David heard in Egypt that David lay down with his fathers, and that Joab, the commander of the army, died," Ayish in Radak. Therefore, they lay down in the open country is not interpreted as dead in the open country.]

            1. On the 28th of Iyar 5774

              To the T.G. – Hello,

              I did not make any other assumption in the interpretation of 'like a buffalo', but rather that a buffalo caught in a net naturally suffers from exhaustion from the inability to access and cool off in water, as explained in the Wikipedia entry 'buffalo', which states that buffaloes lie in the water for many hours to refresh themselves.

              Indeed, some interpret the expressions 'He has made His mercy pure' or 'He has made His skin pure like an oven', and 'He has made His skin bitter as the day', as meaning 'heat' as in Aramaic. See Mandelkern's Concordance, entry 'pure'.

              In the blessing of 'Tul Lagina', Ya'az

              1. I don't have the concordance. The three verses you cited were certainly interpreted as heat. But did you find anyone who interprets it as black and burnt and not as black. The interpretation is black and burnt, and therefore your children fainted and lay down from hunger and thirst in the city that Isaiah mentioned in the previous verse, as if you fainted from thirst and like our skin like an oven, they were blackened by the scorching heat of hunger, because hunger blackens the face, just as his face was blackened from fasting – as far as I examined at the time, it is an interpretation that the commentators did not offer.

              2. On the 1st of Sivan, 5754

                "His mercy was multiplied" can also be interpreted in terms of accumulation and multiplication, as in "And they gathered them together like a flock of sheep."

                And according to this, it can be said that a "bull from a bullock" is a bull that is loaded and piled with heavy loads, so that it faints from the weight of its load.

                'Makhmorot' in the sense of 'net' can also be interpreted from the word 'Khamor', in which piles of fish are caught in a net. Accordingly, a trap in which a single buffalo is caught would not be called 'Makhmorot', which is intended for piles of small fish.

                According to my suggestion, 'makhamer' is an adjective for a type of buffalo – a buffalo designated as 'makhamer' for heavy loads.

                Best regards, Faivish Lipa Sosnowitzki Dahari

              3. If the language is cumulative, then 'they lie down like a scumbag, filled with the wrath of God' would be interpreted as 'like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit' – just as the scumbag is full of scumbags, so they are full of the wrath of God. Perhaps this is also the matter of hunger, for from hunger the body indeed shrinks, but sometimes it swells, as is translated from the scum of hunger, swollen like a palm tree, and from excessive swelling they appear to be full of the wrath of God, the rebuke of your God. But interpreting 'scum' as 'scum' is a great innovation. Are there any other examples of the substitution of 2-8?

              4. To the T.G. – Hello,

                In Arabic, it is common for a word pronounced in Hebrew with the letter h to become a soft "k" in Arabic, such as "makhlouf" from the word "haflah".

                In Hebrew, too, there are examples of the proximity between ח and כ, as in the examples in the 'Letter Changes' section of the 'Hebrew Language' website: 'אנחכי' – 'אנחן'; 'חסה' – 'קסה', 'נחשל' – 'נקשל', 'מחיר' – 'מכאר', 'לחכך' – 'לחכך'. And to these we can add: 'בחר' – 'בחר', 'סחר' – 'שקר', etc.

                Best regards, Philsod

              5. And perhaps the buffalo woodpecker is called "toa kemmer" because it tends to bury itself in water to avoid the scorching heat, with only its head protruding. Thus, we find in the language of the Sages who would kemmer (= bury, bury) fruits in the ground so that they would ripen, as mentioned in the first edification of the meaning of "kemmer." For example: "And he shall not kemmer in the ground and eat" (B"M 8:2), "Bosheli kemmera" (Berakhot 40:2) and Oted.

                Best regards, Philsod

              6. According to your interpretation of the meaning of the root "kamer", then roots with the same meaning only with the exchange of letters are:

                Kamer – Tamin
                Grave (buried in the dirt)
                Village (cover. Like a kofarat)
                Kamer (probably the original meaning was not the opposite of concave but a round lid, an inverted bowl)
                Kaman (exchange for Manar)

                I have an intuition that even a word – hunger – is related to this society, I don’t know how.)

                According to the meaning of this heat:

                As a priest
                Hamam or Hamam (alternation of va in mam in the ain verb and mam in bris in the lamd verb)

              7. In the complete translation, he cites several rishonim who interpreted 'Kemar' from the word 'Kemisha', in the sense of a contraction and contraction, just as in Arabic 'Kemesh' means 'contraction'.

                It is true that there is a place to say that 'kamosh' means 'dry', and so on. It would be interpreted as 'he fainted, lying down like a buffalo', a buffalo that fainted from dehydration.

                Best regards, Philsod

              8. It is a net because of the holes in it (it is a net). It is a net. "And you have made for him a net of brass long ago." And there are other roots that indicate holes and the letters all change with קמר:

                Hole (Vau alternates with M. Bump letters)
                Already (already, long ago)
                Dig (dug a hole)

                It is possible that His mercy was wrapped. This is a process in which the mercy envelops something, like the womb that envelops the baby (there is a concept of "I have gathered from this people kindness and mercy. Like peace (the language of Solomon. A garment) Mercy is an envelope that protects the people of Israel). It is like the seine closing on the fish inside after they have been caught inside it.

              9. "Maqbar" means "made of mesh" but "Maqbar" means "made of mesh" but "Maqbar" means "made of mesh" but "made of mesh" means "made of mesh" or
                To gather peace and kindness is like "Wiyas gather his feet into the bed" or "I gather your hands" and has nothing to do with the envelope, the thing is gathered from the outside and returns to its source. Incidentally, in this matter, there was a well-known tendency in Spain to try to find meaning for words that are supposedly synonymous. It is written, "All faces gathered together the faror," and Menachem interpreted, "The faces gathered the faror, and now we are no longer visible," like "The stars gathered together the nigham." But Donesh interpreted, "The faces gathered together the release of the cauldron" (as in "And cooked in the faror"). And R. Y. Kimchi in his open book, where he decided between Menachem and Donesh, wrote that there is a difference between the language of assembly and the language of kibbutz, that kibbutz is to gather many scattered details in one place, while assembly also serves to return something to its source and essence. This type of interpretation is rare at that time.
                The simplicity is that it is the opposite of restraint and jumping, and is parallel to intestinal hematemesis (and perhaps also to scurvy) and is also related to intestinal boiling. That is, literally, the language of warming, and therefore a priest dressed in black.

                [The technique of letter substitutions gives enormous freedom, but the downside is that given great freedom, you need a staggering amount of examples to convince yourself that these are not random links like gematria. You need to review all the possible substitutions and how many of them carry meaning, and compare the content relationship between words with substitutions and without substitutions in order to statistically substantiate the claim. I see no point in scattering anecdotes and a serious methodological introduction is needed before you can approach theories like those that many in history have tried and failed to produce.]

              10. On the 1st of Sivan, 5754

                To the T.G. – Hello,

                There is assistance in linking the 'makaber' to the network, also from the 'bra' used for filtering.

                Methodologically, my tendency is to search, first of all, for all the meanings of a root in the Bible, in an attempt to find the common denominator for the different meanings of that root.

                Therefore, the connection between 'Mechmoret' and 'Nechmaru Rahamyo' works well for me, both of which express a gathering. Gathering and boiling go together, as in the root 'Hama' which means both 'crowd' and 'myria', and in you the nature of the universe when many gather together emerges from the great multitude.

                And so the fish that are collected in the trawl, thrash and jump in an attempt to break free, and in the end they dry up from lack of water so that the crowd suffocates. The heating and the suffocation go together.

                Parallel to this is the root 'hamer', which also includes the accumulation of piles 'hamer hamer', the 'material' that is stuck together to make bricks and vessels, the 'donkey' that carries piles on its back. 'Hamer' also has the meaning of boiling and fermentation, such as 'they will become bitter from their waters', and 'the blood of grapes will drink hamer'

                Even in the language of the Sages, one burys, puts, and buries fruits in the ground or inside, so that they undergo a cooking process there, and there is also 'fermentation in meat' (Pesachim Noach), the fermentation of meat that leads to decay.

                In short:
                In 'Kemer', all stages of the process exist: mass gathering that leads to crowding, fermentation, and heating and drying, as we unfortunately saw in Meron.

                And the correction will be in God by the 'Kamra Davu' (mentioned by Rabbi Nathan), the symbol of the leader from the House of David, who will oversee, manage, and steer the great multitude to be 'as one man with one heart,' friends of all Israel, and we will say, Amen.

                Best regards, Faivish Lipa Sosnowitzki Dahari

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                … also from the 'cave' used for filtering.

                Paragraph 6, line 2
                … in the ground or in a vessel, so that they can pass through there…

              12. It is clear that this collection brought back to him, and not the wrapping of the intention that he took to himself, the mercy that he gave to the people. I just assumed that the meaning of the concept of mercy is like a womb. It is a kind of tangible noun. There is also the word "Rahamiyo". Regarding the methodology, of course, what you say is true, but this is not the place to elaborate on it here. I could write a doctoral thesis on all the material I collected. It has been filtered and refined, sieve after sieve. My sense of criticism is no less developed than yours.

              13. On the 1st of Sivan, 5775

                Indeed, 'Ku'rat' is close in origin to 'Kebra', in which one 'selects' the food from the refuse, then selects and preserves and brings forward the good. Like 'Immanuel' who, in his opinion, will eat butter and honey, chose good and abhorred evil, and like 'Tolginus' who 'scrubs', throws away the refuse, and collects the good into a 'Talika [= sack, pocket]'.

                Kind regards, Schatzmeister

              14. To the Ministry of Health

                This, for example, is something that doesn't pass my review filter. That is, both the change in the order of the letters and the change in the letters. But morning means distinguishing between things (and that's where the word morning came from, where things are distinguished because of the light, as opposed to evening, where things are mixed up because of the darkness)

                But there are many roots that mean dividing into two and cattle belong to them:
                cattle
                Hernia (tree hernia)
                Packer
                burst
                Wound (exchange of parts with a monkey)
                In sweat
                Stride (opening the legs)
                Passover
                Open (exchanges based on the letter . There is an unstressed letter among them that you also used TH which is similar to the letter )
                Peter (Peter Rahem)
                Make (alternate with wound). Make money like a skull fracture is half of a silver ingot.

                Crime (I don't know why but it really feels like it belongs to me)
                Bed (this is where the word middle came from)
                Compromise (hence the words compromise and compromise. And in the Talmud, compromise is called performance. The tallit is cut in half)

                Parting (separation between hairs, etc.)
                In a foreign country
                Badr (Exchange of cock and Aramaic door)
                Feder (Podra (probably an Aramaic word) is probably a powder that is scattered)
                File (A file in its original meaning is something that is pushed between two things in order to split them)

                Betsar (in Aramaic, to reduce. And probably in the meaning of cutting. As in grape harvesting)

                Meat (from the word "bashora" meaning "to spread"). Similar to "scatter"

                Madar (from the word Midor. An Aramaic word ("Maduriah" in Daniel) related to separation)

                Now Fatah is replaced by Pater, and this is replaced by Pekeh – Pekeh is the opening of eyes or ears (both are in the Bible).

                Then

                opening
                Peter
                inspector
                Sober (A sober person is someone whose eyes have been opened. Usually after drinking wine)
                And power (from the word "proved." Also opening eyes)

                And the root of the word "petser" refers to a close family of roots that mean peeling and separating layers:

                Petzel (arrived from Petzel with a transfer to the Ministry of Defense)
                Sculpture (removing layers of wood or stone to create a shape)
                Onion (made of layers)
                Failed (failed)
                Cross-eyed (one eye looks one way and the other looks another way)

                Maybe it's also because of its meaning that it can be picked and cut from the tree, but I'm not sure about that.

              15. But "beecher" in the secondary meaning of something that has been reviewed (the semolina that remains after the flour has been sifted) does indeed alternate with:

                cattle
                Bachar (senior. The best there is. Firstborn)
                Select (Selected)
                Begar (like Bechar)

                It is possible that cattle (from the pair "cattle" and "sheep") were so named because of their size (relative to other domesticated and non-domesticated animals).

              16. And perhaps a 'mature' is someone who can judge (and choose) between good and evil, as opposed to an 'ignorant', who lacks maturity and the ability to choose.

                Best regards, Yaron Elimelech Fishel Baruka

              17. I forgot to comment on Becker's comment as a parting shot:

                opening
                Bater
                And (everyone who says, "God, the Blessed One, and He will give up," will give up (cut off) from my speech)
                Batak (cheek swapping with a beast)
                Resolved (its original meaning is probably indeed opening or passing away. I don't remember how I came to this conclusion. I'll have to check my notebooks. I have good proof of this and the margins of the page can actually contain it)

                Bedek (bidka damia) Its ancient meaning is a breach. Bedek the house. The crack in the house

                Peretz (Reish and Door exchange. This is an exchange that must be checked carefully because it is dangerous. Also, half-exchanges of Zadi and Kof)

                Badeh (interchangeable with Badr with a similar meaning. Distracted as a flute or opening the mouth to laugh)

              18. More:

                In the past
                Cut (also cut)
                Open mouth (opens one's lips or mouth in proverbs)
                Peshach (in the Achaean language, and they will be opened. In Syriac, Peshach means opening)
                Cracked

              19. I remembered what the word "solver" means.

                He explained (alternation of Aramaic words "teo" and "shin." And he will solve our dreams for us. He explained our dreams for us. He gave an explanation. Apparently opening something closed. The dreams. Or opening the eyes to see and experiencing a phenomenon called the Nadiadis)

                Also, add Badh Padh (an Arabic root that creates a well-known word today)

  43. If the story of Ehud Barak has already been mentioned, then his statement is of course problematic for two reasons, which are one:

    1. After all, no one cares about the trivial fact that if he had been born a Palestinian, he would have become a terrorist. He wasn't him, but someone who is a Palestinian and that's how they behave. This is a sad fact. He wanted to say that it's actually okay according to his own system. That is, that they are right in their war against us. And someone like that has a problem perceiving reality or is evil. After all, in our assessment, the Palestinians are terrorists not because of the occupation but because of their natural murderousness. After all, they were terrorists here even before there was an occupation. They will be terrorists as long as we have independent rule.

    2. Or he wanted to say that there is no truth. There are narratives and no one is right. Then he is a normal postmodern psychopath. And the postmodernists are always against the Jews here in this country. For some reason, our narrative is not entitled to respect. Or the narrative that there is truth, as is the usual paradox.

    The storm was essentially about how a former chief of staff and prime minister is actually collaborating with our enemy.

    The fact that you don't understand yourself, Rabbi Michi (and you should have understood this yourself) shows what level of blindness you have reached.

    1. Ehud Barak probably wanted to say that peoples do not fight for the sake of heaven for the floating historical justice but are basically fighting for the national interest. Therefore, in the field of wars, there is a ridiculously high correlation between interest and opinion. Even today, the Zionist left in Israel is far, far from the positions of the Palestinians (in the country and abroad, it was the same) and there is no natural explanation for this other than the usual saying that everyone else is biased and only I, in my honor and in myself, am pure and clean as the whitewash of the temple. What do you do when you encounter such a correlation? In such an encounter, a person needs to understand that he has sucked influences on this matter with his mother's milk and therefore attribute less importance to his opinions on cosmic justice and admit that basically they are fighting for the interest. If a person feels that he has truly and sincerely managed to free himself from his old tendencies and to transcend them and to look at things objectively, and has nevertheless reached a conclusion, then perhaps. But an ordinary person should not be so presumptuous and blind as to think that he has succeeded in this way. Even if the basic relativist argument is invalid, it has weight.
      For example, even if I were convinced that the Palestinians were right in abstract ways, I wouldn't offer them my house. Because morality is morality, but it's too difficult to uphold all the moral imperatives. That's why the narrative discussions also seem a bit pointless to me, if not for propaganda purposes.

      1. I would agree with you except for the Israeli case. After all, they tried to reach peace with them a million times and they want us at sea. Doesn't the interest in living and living without the burden of foreigners belong to cosmic justice? There is no more power for these vanities.

      2. And I'm really tired of hearing this nonsense. What's wrong with people like this? How much can be done? Until when?

          1. The truth is yes. Because there is a limit to ignorance. What place is there for national interest here? To live is a national interest that corrupts the individuals of that nation? Indeed, in the intellectual debate about whether I should exist or not or whether I should be enslaved to another people, I am indeed corrupt. How lucky I am to have Ehud Barak and you to remind me of this. It really seems that sometimes you have to shout at people to convince them. It turns out that if I shout at you a critical mass of times, maybe it will work.

            1. You are welcome to continue shouting. But I have no suicidal tendencies (testicles in the blasphemy) nor patience for this debate. We will meet again in discussions on other topics.

              1. Believe me, I don't have the strength to shout. My lungs are small. And I don't have the patience for this kind of debate either, but think about why I'm so frustrated by this issue. But look, today all the debates in the media are about who shouts louder, and unfortunately it works.

              2. On the occasion of Jerusalem Day 5764

                To Emmanuel – Greetings,

                There is a huge gap between what is seen in the media and what is happening in reality. In the media, it seems that those who shout are heard more.

                But in reality, it is precisely 'still waters that run deep.' Those who speak calmly, in a matter-of-fact and reasoned manner are those who gain a wider public influence.

                For example, how much the media shouts about a certain prime minister, who they say is the father of all evil and corruption. And look, it's a wonder that the more the man is attacked and slandered in the media, the more his power at the ballot box grows.

                The media screams and shouts – and the public on the ground doesn't buy it.

                Best regards, Simcha Fishel Halevi Plankton

              3. I disagree with you and I hope I'm wrong. If that were the case, Netanyahu would have been prime minister long ago. Sa'ar himself is a product of this incitement. It's true that Netanyahu still has 30 seats even after all the incitement, that's still evidence in your favor, but he was already at 35. In the polls before Sa'ar's party, the right (without Lieberman) had 69 seats in the polls. Besides, why do I keep hearing apologies from right-wingers about Netanyahu not being perfect, etc., but still, etc., and not understanding that this is exactly what the media wants. To control the public's subconscious assumptions. They know this well. They learn this in media schools. Repeat a message enough times and it will sink into the heart of the uncritical listener, and the right is in trouble because the only way to fight it is through counter-incitement, but the price of this will be too heavy because the right understands well what the division of the people means from a security perspective, but the other side doesn't care at all about division in the people because, to them, the people (nation) itself is a dirty word and a racist concept. The people for them is the collection of citizens. And anyway, their incitement itself creates division without any connection. So woe to those who create it and woe to those who create it

              4. סער עצמו הוא דוגמה טובה לאי יעילות ההתלהמות (לעמנואל) says:

                On the 1st of Sivan, 5754

                To Emmanuel – Greetings,

                Saar himself demonstrates how harmful rants are to those who engage in them. As long as he took the path of restraint, Saar won 30% in the Likud internal elections. The positive 'credit' stood him in good stead at the beginning of his journey in polls that predicted a double-digit number of seats for him.

                But as he positioned himself as a staunch 'anti-Bibist', for whom Netanyahu's removal is a 'supreme value' in his eyes, the halakhah became more and more tainted and diminished, until he barely passed the threshold, when it was clear to him that in the next elections he would be completely wiped out.

                Now he has no choice. He has burned his bridges with the Likud. He has not earned the public's trust. All he has left to do is conquer the 'monarchy' by force through a coalition with the left, which has insisted that they find a way to get rid of him (and his partner Bennett) as soon as possible. They will conjure up some crazy case and flaunt it or some other patent.

                Too bad for both of them. They could have used their status as balance sheets to get senior positions in the right-wing government. What do they think the left will allow them to lead the government for days? After Netanyahu is ousted – they will both be kicked out too.

                Best regards, Chief Halevi

  44. I have to disagree with you. On one of the days of remembrance for the fallen IDF, I attended a ceremony wearing a hat and a suit. I stood still, hoping. And everyone was looking at me… I represent only myself. I believe that one should identify with the pain of others. And even demonstrate it. This is how I educate my children. Believe me, if His Honor and Mr. London were like me at a funeral and saw a mother crying over the grave of her son who was crushed to death, you would put the hatred for the Haredim aside. For a moment. It has nothing to do with this. You are not the only one who hates the Haredim, and yet the majority of the people demonstrated identification with the pain. I am very surprised if you really believe that I am trying to keep my mouth shut, Your Honor, forgive me, this is ridiculous… But what can you do, there is a wave of hatred sweeping the country even if it is “logical” and I am not the person who is able to stop the hatred with such a response. This is what is demanded of well-known and respected people like you who have a lot of readers…

    1. If you must, who am I to stop you?!
      That you believe this is excellent. I'm sure Yaron London believes this too. But we all have different circles of identification and our empathetic feelings and identification weaken with distance. The question is which group is close to you and which is not. Yaron London claimed that the Haredim are not close to him and therefore his empathy towards them is similar to empathy towards other peoples. If it's different for you – that's fine. So what? I assume you don't stand up for Palestinians to identify with their pain, but even if you do, you're one of the few who do.
      The demagogy you are raising here, even in the last message, is indeed a form of gagging. And if you don't think so, then you should think again. Even the example you yourself gave regarding your identification with IDF Memorial Day is demagogy, since you know very well that this does not characterize the Haredi public as a whole (I wonder why when you show up at the cemetery everyone looks at you in astonishment as you described? Have you ever thought about that?).
      Additionally, contrary to your demagogic slanders (which are made out of empathy, of course), there is no hatred for the Haredim here, neither in London nor in me. Unlike Yaron London, I also have a degree of empathy, but unlike him, I also have harsh criticism of them (more so than he does), and as a result of all this, a certain degree of alienation is created in him (and less in me). The term 'hatred' that you attach to this alienation is a demagogic and biased slander, a beautiful example of the same silence and lack of readiness for self-criticism that I am talking about here. An act of contradiction.

  45. "...the epithet 'hate' that you attach to this alienation is a demagogic and biased slander, a beautiful example of the same silence and unwillingness to self-criticism that I am talking about here..."
    You are right. I repeat myself. You are not a hater, but an alienator. My friend buried a child, I wrote out of pain. It is okay that you did not feel empathy, that you are an alienator, and it is your right to say so. It is not my job to judge whether a child who was killed arouses emotions in others. Especially since we, the Haredim, brought this upon ourselves. We will accept the judgment with love.
    For your information, I am not an advocate for the ultra-Orthodox. Indeed, on Memorial Day I was the only ultra-Orthodox at that event, and I regret that. I am not educating my children about alienation. That is my choice.
    I didn't mean to offend. Certainly not to defame. I apologize. I respect you as a person, and as a scholar, whatever your opinions may be. I sincerely apologize.

    I was impressed that the multitude of people, despite mutual alienation, embraced and shared in the grief. It seems to me that this is how ultra-Orthodox people would behave towards a secular child who had a breakdown. We never know.
    If out of pain I used "systematic and defamatory, biased demagogy," I apologize for that. From what you said, it was difficult to discern that this was alienation and not hatred, at least given your level of involvement with the Haredim. That's how we are, so persecuted, and easily imagining... So again, sorry!

    1. Persecuted? You have been in power for decades. Every government falls without you and obeys your every important interest. You will not find another sectoral pressure group with such political power anywhere. You have exploited and are exploiting the power with relentless economic and social predation and still complain about persecution. And the man is amazed at it, silent to know.

  46. You also generalize all Haredim. For example, I am in favor of separating religion from the state…. Well, I apologize if you feel persecuted because of me. (By the way, do you think these budgets reach a little Haredi like me?..) Really, who knows: maybe when we remove the representatives, out of goodwill you will preserve our basic rights?…

    1. הרבה מהחרדים דוגלים בהיפרדות מהמדינה - אז לונדון אוהב אותם? says:

      If the argument is that the Haredim are hated because they receive budgets from the state – then Shiron London should have been elated with solidarity towards the 'Rabbi Ehrlech' who do not receive money from the state and do not participate in elections 🙂

      And why do leftists hate the settlers who are the first to volunteer for military service, far beyond their proportion in the population? Remember Yair Lapid, who openly said during the expulsion from Gush Katif that he knew there was no political or security justification for it, and the only reason for the expulsion was to harm the settlers.

      Sartre already said that hatred of Jews is the problem of the haters…

      Best regards, Shatz

      By the way, I wish religious and ultra-Orthodox education would receive the same funding as secular education...

    2. myabu
      This is again a completely irrelevant argument, and even demagogic (not to mention postmodern). When there is criticism of the Haredi, it does not necessarily mean that every Haredi acts this way. It is possible that there are those in Al Qaeda and ISIS who oppose throat slitting. It is possible that this behavior even contradicts their own principles (just as the Haredi ideology should indeed have supported the separation of religion and state), but in practice this is what happens. The Haredi as a public act this way, and elect their representatives to the Knesset who lead such a policy. Allow me not to comment on the passive-aggressiveness about preserving the rights of the Haredi.
      Notice that there is not a single honest word coming out of your mouth, despite your attempts, which I believe are sincere, to do so. Try to think about why this is happening, and then perhaps you will be able to understand the feelings of those you are talking to here.

  47. Well, for your information, the Haredi bloc is not uniform. By the way, just like religious Zionism. And the fact that you accuse them of maintaining their power on a joint list – does not mean that they agree with everything the representatives do. The difference is that I do not look at you as a uniform bloc, you want me to represent the “Haredi public” – pay me, that is not my job. I have expressed my opinion, and I do not now have to give you an account of who I voted for in the elections. None of this is at all relevant to the claim that in my opinion the death of any child, of any gender or color, is equally painful even if their father voted for a representative who is a bully in your eyes. I would certainly understand your feelings if I were on our list of representatives. As a person, I have the right to express my pain at the hurt to my feelings and I do not understand what this has to do with silencing them.

    1. This is not about a connection to gagging. This is about gagging. Of course you have the right to feel some emotions, just like London has. And of course you deserve to feel empathy for those close to you. Diverting your discourse there is gagging, because no one has ever disagreed on that, and certainly not in this thread. The postmodern passive-aggressive, which is based on their typical argument "not everyone is like that," "you don't have a monopoly on the", etc., is gagging. Who said that all the Haredim are one bloc? When you refer to the public, you refer to its behavior as a public and not to an individual person who shows up on Memorial Day at the cemetery and admits to himself that he even receives looks of astonishment. Raising these irrelevant points against my claims is intended to gag me, because you are trying to pick at the threads of emotion instead of answering substantively. If you bother to read what I write and don't just give irrelevant answers straight from the gut, you will easily see that I am right.
      That's it. I'm done.

  48. You're right. Sorry if I offended you by going into detail about your emotions. I apologize if I silenced you to lash out at the Haredi public as you please. As I said, this has nothing to do with my substantive argument regarding the insensitivity to my pain as a person who lost acquaintances. Sharing my feelings doesn't hurt anyone, unlike revealing London's feelings. And again, sorry again if I was disrespectful or hurt you. And also for saying the last word. I couldn't hold back...

  49. I await a fan post embracing and loving Arabs who demonstrate their beautiful and lofty sincere feelings on the Temple Mount.

    1. Come on, write your original response to him first, and then maybe the column you requested will appear.

    2. It was said of you, "You did not speak well like the servants of Job." A bunch of flatterers who flatter the public, and woe, woe if a word of criticism comes out of you. The Haredi public is irresponsible, whiny, violent, and shouting. Instead of looking inward, you shout at others. Good health to you.

  50. My response would probably be something like:

    Why did you decide not to publish a post that embraces, justifies, and understands the honest and genuine feelings of some German Jews toward the Jews during the Holocaust?

    1. In yeshivahs they say that those who don't know how to study are going to mess around with halacha. If they saw a halacha arbiter like you who is also a genius on a generational scale, maybe they would change their minds.

      1. There is a contradiction in admiring Yaron London's words.

        "What a disgrace. He wrote the truth with remarkable honesty. There is not a word of anti-Semitism here, nor anything else obscene."

        If he wrote "the truth with remarkable honesty," why do I say "there is no word of anti-Semitism here"?
        If the truth included anti-Semitism, would that negate the truth?
        Not clear. Not clear.

  51. Regarding what you wrote at the end of your statement, I think you made a mistake.
    It is very consistent not to learn from the disaster because the revelry in Meron is not desirable. Because consistently, disasters are always used in this community to awaken and reinforce things that were agreed upon before the disaster that are required, but the routine wears off and causes failures. We have never heard of anyone who changed the method and came to the realization that they were wrong following a disaster that provokes. A change in method comes as a result of thinking, not as a result of the excitement that arises as a result of trauma. You demand that those who claim that disasters were sent to teach something learn what you thought even before the disaster was a mistake. They learn what they thought before the disaster was wrong. (Let's say, they didn't go last year :))

    1. Not true. Exactly what I wrote. If you strengthen yourself and take stock – for my life. I'm talking about those who support learning from the disaster, meaning that it tells us something we didn't know before.

  52. Peace and blessings

    We don't know each other, but your article came to my attention.

    I do not intend to open an in-depth discussion here about the boundary between rationality and emotion (although the greatest rational philosophers already admit that they cannot be separated..)

    I mean, at least in my field, the connection between body (rational, physiological, mechanistic, understandable, researched...) and mind is completely clear and accepted by everyone.

    I have one note for you.

    A rabbi who is also a doctor – he should be careful with his language (and writing) and the word 'stupidity' which appears 3 times in a row in the opening – does not add respect to the writer, to say the least.

    And you 'emotionally' block any opening for dialogue with those with whom you might intend to develop a dialogue...

    Good week

    1. Hello.
      Thank you for your consideration.
      I don't know who you call the great rational philosophers, and I'm quite knowledgeable in philosophy. But in any case, ad hominem is not an argument for me, so even if your description were correct, I don't see an argument here on the merits. In my understanding, the distinction between them is sharp and clear, although one can of course argue about the practical diagnosis (when it comes to this and when it comes to that). I've written about this quite a bit in the past. Readers of the site usually know the background to things and the definition of the concepts, as it has come up more than once in my writings and on the site.
      Regarding the stylistic comment, there is certainly room for discussion. But I draw your attention to the fact that these statements did not refer to anyone in particular, but to the general discourse in our regions, to the extent that it can even be called discourse, which is indeed incredibly stupid (I provide quite a few examples of this on my website). I do not think that such general statements should prevent open discourse, because no reader should take it personally. On the contrary, anyone who feels the same way I do about public discourse is called upon to do so on a more reasonable level. As a rule, my goal is not to influence the general discourse, since I have no chance of doing so. I am trying to influence some of those who read my words, and here it is likely that there are those who are willing to open up to this criticism (although there are also reactions on the website to the style I adopt). For these people, it is very important to me to present things as they are and not to wrap them in polite slurs, and to the best of my understanding this is indeed presenting things as they are.
      All the best,

  53. The truth is, I read the column you wrote two and a half years after the Meron disaster. I am one of those families who were affected by this disaster and I will not go into detail, with all due respect and appreciation: Your insensitivity is amazing. I will not go after you and curse you even though that is what you wanted and wrote at the end of your words... but that is not my level and style, God willing.
    I'm curious where your rabbinate is expressed if your insensitivity reaches this point.
    It's always easy to blame everyone and look down on them. I'm really sorry I read this article. You certainly didn't respect yourself, and as a rabbi you have an obligation to do so.

  54. I read the article. The novelty that came to me was that I thought that my teacher and rabbi, Rabbi Bonim Schreiber, coined the slogan "What is for us and for them?" And here I discover that he was actually referring to the knowledge of "Gedoyilim" (as Rabbi Yankela Galinsky's well-known saying goes).

  55. Thank you for your immense efforts.
    Be strong and blessed and strengthen your strength.
    I would like to comment on three matters that are not the main point of this article, and I would be happy to discuss two of them with you. Perhaps this is not the place to discuss them, so I would be happy if Mr. could direct me to where to discuss them with him.
    A. The first: Ehud Barak's comment about "If I were a Palestinian boy" (and specifically: if, not if. That's in proper Hebrew), in contrast to a statement along the lines of "If I were a Pole in a remote village, I would probably be a Christian," which is more acceptable to me, Ehud Barak's statement is unacceptable to me from a moral and intellectual standpoint. In our time (since Judaism has imposed morality on the world, and not as Mr. believes, but this is not the place here, etc.), it is known that the murder of innocent people is a forbidden and serious act. There is no room for confusion and error here. The one who kills innocent women and children, old men and old women by committing suicide is a traitor to morality, and does not comply with the general moral command (which, as stated, Judaism imposed on the world, in my opinion) that is accepted by all people in the world. No religious justification can overthrow this moral rule or nullify it (and don't make it difficult for me, Amalek. I have a well-organized answer on this matter), and therefore the one who violates it is cruel and evil. And his actions cannot be justified on environmental grounds. This is evil, and someone who is not evil would not do such things. In other words, if I were a "Palestinian" teenager, I would be shocked by the very thought of a suicide attack (and I believe that there are such "Palestinian" teenagers. And they are the proof of my righteousness).
    Second: The emotional experience is presented in your words as a low need. My further proven opinion is that the emotional experience, when it is supported by reason (for example - a person who experiences an emotional experience while singing songs of repentance and awakening, after having deeply understood the matter of repentance, the matter of faith in God who returns to Him, and the correct and proper way of working according to the Torah and the Toshab'a - in other words - not just someone who is enthusiastic about songs of repentance and awakening as a New Age, spiritual experience in Shekel, but someone for whom the songs of awakening constitute a crown of precise and decisive intellectual work) - such a person has reached the peak of his spiritual level as a person. Thus in the joy of the house of the water, through which Jonah, according to the legend, attained prophecy. This legend explains a deep and true matter. And on what basis do I say this? According to Wittgenstein, and the people of logical positivism, the intellectual ability to define things and work with them rationally is language-dependent. When there are words capable of describing a certain matter, I can define it intellectually, and use it in cognitive uses. When there is no word in the language that describes this matter, it is not accessible to me intellectually. The intellect has a language limit. On the other hand, emotion, when based on the intellect, is not subject to this limit. It may awaken levels in a person that cannot be defined in words, that are not subject to language limitations, because they are above and beyond limited linguistic definitions. I can define a function that helps calculate the amount of water in the cistern full of water that I understand an aqueduct passes through, I can define what pleasure is in the halakhic sense (or not… I would be happy to get a tip on the subject from Mr…), but I cannot contain in language the sublime emotion in the closing prayer on Yom Kippur (again, not from a blind search for spirituality, but from a sincere, verified and intellectual response). If I define it in words and intellectually, I will only touch on part of it. That is, it is higher and deeper than the realms of the intellect alone.
    C. You wrote "main and bland." Well, bland in Hebrew is tasteless. Not seasoned. On the other hand, that which is not main is bland. Indeed, comment C is bland (and not bland…) to the previous two comments.
    As mentioned - I would be happy to discuss the matter with you anywhere (virtually) you see fit, throughout this site or in general. Please write to me at the email you replied to, so that I can see.

  56. And more… Regarding the end of your words:
    E. You wrote that in studying agga, musar and Tanakh, one does not learn anything that was not previously in the mind of the learner. And again - reality denies the words of Mr. For myself, things that were contrary to my view, when studying Tanakh or agga, were renewed. For example - the status of the mitzvah of studying Torah, in my opinion, was reduced from his birthright, which was given to him in later times. This is a very important mitzvah, but not a birthright. And where does it come from? From studying Tanakh. The words of the prophets prove that God does not see the study of Torah as a higher value than all others, but rather in relation to the stranger, the orphan and the widow, in relation to the poor, and in the desire to do good. This is a truly living example (one in a thousand) of the fact that studying Tanakh and agga may create in the learner new and important insights that were not there before. So - everything depends on the learner, and does not depend categorically on the field of study. Don't you agree with that?...

    1. A. Ehud Barak's comment on "If I were a Palestinian boy" deals with the question of what would reasonably have happened. A distinction must be made between guilt and responsibility. When such a boy commits atrocities, he is held responsible. But the guilt is reduced because of the environment in which he grew up. I have often divided here between guilt and responsibility (you can search the site). A Palestinian boy who acts this way is within the bounds of reason, see factually how much support there is for it there. This does not mean that he is not responsible and that the act is right. The fact that there are other Palestinian boys does not prove anything. It only proves that it is not deterministic, but the behavior of a reasonable person is not deterministic but reasonable.
      You write that I will not turn you away from the Amalek act, but I do turn you away from this and many other commands of killing and punishment in the Torah, and other clearly immoral acts (such as bastard laws, discrimination against women, and so on). And even if you don't find such things in the Torah, it doesn't change the fact. In their opinion, Islam has such commands and therefore they are obligated to them.
      B. I have written more than once that the emotional experience can express a situation that has value, but it itself has no value. A person who does not have an emotional dimension but has reached that state (which is not expressed in emotion because he does not have such a department in the brain). In my opinion, he lacks nothing.
      I'll leave the matter of verbal description aside because I've dealt with that well in the past. You're talking about intuition, not emotion. You can search here on the site.
      Regarding "tef" and "tef" I've been debating this for a while. I think there's also a place to write "tef" in the sense of "tasteless" regarding such things.

      Regarding learning from legend and the Bible, you repeat things and examples that have been thoroughly discussed here. See mainly in columns 134-5 and the talkbacks that follow them, and much more here on the site.

  57. Thank you for your time and answers.
    A. This is exactly where I wanted to get to! Ehud Barak spoke about responsibility, not guilt (I understand the difference well even without your words on the site, which I haven't read yet). As long as we agree that there is responsibility here, and that the act is a bad act - then the person who did it has the duty to avoid it. Is it difficult? Let him take a pill (as one wise man used to say...).
    A.2. The Palestinian boys who don't do this - prove a lot! They prove that there is another way. That things are not deterministic. Exactly as you wrote. Therefore - I come with a moral argument against those who do this. And AT - it is unreasonable. This is indeed a difficulty, but I expect a person to act morally even when it is difficult. And vice versa - I have a moral argument against the one who does evil, even when it is difficult!
    B. Regarding immoral acts, or immoral commands - the discussion is long, and I would be happy to conduct it with you. However, for the sake of length - or if another place is chosen, and if the place is convenient for you - then at least we will discuss each case on its own merits. Regarding Amalek: In all areas of the Bible (and hence the answer to why it is important to study it), no war of extermination was waged against Amalek based on the command from the Torah. The only war of extermination against Amalek came only and only after an explicit command from God, through a prophet, to fight against Amalek. Since we know the Torah, we have accepted that we do not interpret the written Torah as we wish, but rather based on the Oral Torah. Since there is almost no organized Oral Torah regarding the war with Amalek (limits, reference to various situations, etc.), we do not know exactly what the essence of the command and its limits are. It is very reasonable to assume that the essence of the commandment is to destroy Amalek only after an explicit command from the Creator, through a prophet. If the matter is honest, then the commandment to kill Amalek is illuminated in a different light. If God had commanded through a true prophet, to destroy me by Hamas - I would have no claim against the murderers. I would have been commanded to surrender my life into their hands. This is an explicit, living, and up-to-date command from God. It is reasonable to think and believe that this is one of the boundaries of this commandment, and then - everything changes. This is not a command to destroy a people, based on a distant command in some Torah, which I do not know if it is true or not (as Hamas and other atrocities do - they kill women and children based on a written command, from a Torah that is questionably true) - but a living, current, and up-to-date command from God. Wouldn't you agree with me?
    C. Regarding the study of legend and the Bible - perhaps the argument I wrote in section B, as an example of Bible study as violating religious thinking and its conclusions, is not terribly trite here. Perhaps there is someone in the world who can innovate what was not written and said on your site, and he is writing to you now?

  58. Since the previous response was written in a hurry, I will add a few things, with your permission:
    A. My point, which perhaps was not made clear enough, is that there is room for moral blame, even where you call it responsibility. The very possibility of avoiding the act, and the very fact that there are those who avoid it for moral reasons (the other Palestinian boys, who do prove a thing or two…) - indicate that it can be done, and that these things are not deterministic. Therefore - there is a moral argument against those who do such acts, and it is not possible to morally dismiss them with the argument of "if I had been…". If you, for example, were a Palestinian boy - you would have avoided it. Proof? You are a devout believer in the Torah, and try to observe the light as much as the severe, according to your understanding, and yet - you have developed a moral reluctance to eat the Amalekites. Even though your environment is in favor of the act, and even considers it a commandment from God. And even though you were born into a persecuted and beaten people, who naturally justify eating their enemies, especially after the Holocaust.
    B. In addition and as a clarification to section B in my last response: And the Amalekites existed for hundreds of years (from the year 1,400 - around which, according to the calculations accepted by me, the Israelites entered the Land of Israel, until around the year 1,000 - the days of David) and yet - no king, judge or leader set out to destroy Amalek. He did not try to fulfill this commandment. Why? Why did Saul awaken to this only after God's command, and even then - God did not rebuke him for his procrastination, and for the fact that he did nothing about it until the commandment. It is very reasonable to assume that the boundary of the commandment is that only after an explicit command by a prophet, Amalek should be destroyed. Again - Toshab'a sources on the subject - are meager and incomplete. Therefore, there is room to supplement them from our own understanding.
    C. A trifle is not the main thing. It is difficult for me to see how something that is not the main thing is tasteless. It can certainly have taste, but it is not the main thing. And whoever blesses the main thing and dismisses the trifle can also dismiss something quite tasty….
    D. From Section B we learn about the importance of studying the Bible as stated.

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