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With Virtue – A Look at Racism (Tor 445)

With God’s help

To my friends from the religious kibbutz

One Shabbat a few months ago, I touched glory. I finally felt what Shlomo Artzi feels after the third encore in Caesarea, filled with an enthusiastic, applauding audience. I spent Shabbat in Jerusalem with the members of the religious kibbutz to talk to them about the people of Segula, racism, and the relationship between the two. In the morning, I received an aliyah for the Torah, and after I finished and returned to the venue, I was greeted by excited cheers from all sides all the way to my seat. I understood that this was given to me by God for the moving and high-quality performance I presented of the piyoot "Bless the Blessed One." I felt that I had truly transcended this time, and it is no wonder that I considered going up again for the encore, but to my surprise it became clear to me that the aliyah after me was already filling the place, so I gave up (I do not understand the argument). Needless to say, his performance was weak and paled in comparison to the performance that your faithful servant gave there. As an alternative encore, I decided to dedicate a column to them that will present what I talked to them about there, and I hope that the column will be as popular as if I were a guest on the encore.

Around the same time (who said "private providence" and didn't get it?!), I was asked in the response here on the site about racism, and I promised a column about it. Although I have dealt with this more than once in the past (see the columns 10, 206 and more), but the overall picture I will present here will consolidate things into a systematic rule that empties the concept of racism of its content to the joy of all of us (or at least to the joy of my own heart).

Racism as I explained it to my daughterRacism and factual claims:

The concept of racism suffers from severe ambiguity, and its broad and careless use creates its own disparagement. Anything that someone doesn't like is "racism," while fashionable racism (the kind that is accepted by the Jewish people, due to the 'racism of low expectations') is not, of course. There are a lot of slogans and demagogy in the discourse on racism because the concept itself is very elusive, and as I will try to show here, it is highly doubtful whether it even has a defined content.

Let me start by saying that in the term racism as it is commonly used, race is not a fundamental issue. Race is one parameter, but to the same extent a similar attitude based on another parameter, such as gender, age, nationality, religion, skin color, height, the first letter of the name, shoe size, and so on, would also be called by this unflattering epithet. But for the sake of convention and for the sake of simplicity, I will also speak here mainly about racism and leave you with the necessary expansions.

I will start with a simple assumption, and I assume that it is universally agreed upon. Racism is a word with a negative connotation. We can speak of it as a purely descriptive word, but that is not the connotation that interests us here. When someone is accused of racism, it is a condemnation of them. I will add here that even if someone thinks that racism is not problematic, they must still agree that discussing it belongs to the ethical realm (just as an atheist who does not believe in God must first define what he does not believe in). If so, racism is a term that belongs to the ethical-ethical field. A neutral distinction between people, that is, a description of a difference in itself, whether true or false, is not racism. A false distinction between people or groups is a factual error, not a value error.

I suppose we can agree that the statement that blacks on average play basketball better than whites, or the statement that LeBron James plays (not on average) basketball better than me, a white person, are not racist statements. They are factual descriptions. But to the same extent, the statement that Reuven has a higher IQ than Simon, or that blacks on average have a higher IQ than white people, even if they are not true, are not racist statements. These are factual claims, except that this time it is a fact that is more significant in the eyes of many people (those who give more importance to IQ than to basketball ability). To the same extent, the statement that blacks on average are shorter, or dumber, than white people, is not a racist statement. These may be incorrect statements, but they are factual errors, and as such they cannot be considered racism.

Sometimes there is a value fallacy that leads to a false factual distinction. For example, you don't bother to get to know some group of "others" (another race), and yet you allow yourself to determine their general characteristics. The end product is a factual distinction (sometimes a failed one), but this was created from a value fallacy. And yet, if in the end you claim a factual distinction, then even if in my opinion you are wrong, there is no racism here. In other words, I will not argue against you that you are morally wrong, but that you are factually wrong. The arguments I will raise against you will not be labeling you as racist or dark, but factual arguments on the merits of the matter. It should be understood that mistakes are made for many reasons (stupidity, inattention, indifference, hatred, etc.), but when arguing about facts it is wrong and inappropriate to focus on the reasons for the mistake. Evidence must be presented against the proposed position and not accused of a value label (infidel, racist, evil, etc.).

Implication: The accepted definition of racism

Now you can see that the accepted definition of racism is problematic. For example, Yehuda Shenhav inHis article Provides the following definition:

Attribution of inferiority, to an individual or group, by using stereotypical traits and by framing the difference between groups in terms of an unchanging biological essence.

He then extends this to distinctions not based on biological-racial grounds.

Also inEncyclopedia of ideas, write similar things (this name is also cited under the name Shenhav):

Race is a concept that defines the differences between groups of people in terms of differences in biological and genetic development. Biological differences between races are the result of the frequency of occurrence of a dominant gene in a given race. Racism is an expression of actual and theoretical social practices that base attitudes towards other people on biological and cultural differences, perceived as deterministic and unchangeable foundations. Making the biological (skin color), social (country of origin) or cultural (eating habits) immutable (ivory and pigeon [2008]).

Racial differences exist, but treating their owners on the basis of these differences and perceiving them as essential, unchangeable foundations is racism. By this definition, racism is essentially essentialism. Shenhav and his colleagues believe that when you treat any characteristic as unchangeable, that is, essential, you are racist. I will come to the component of racist behavior later.

But the question of whether any characteristics are intrinsic, that is, modifiable or not, is a purely factual question. Again, even if someone is mistaken and thinks that these characteristics are unmodifiable and in fact the truth is that they are, then they are mistaken in the facts. As I explained above, a mistake is not racism. Furthermore, I do not know where the knights of the war on racism derive the confidence from that every such characteristic is truly modifiable. This is a factual assumption, and as such it also requires substantiation. The assertion that any claim about the essentiality of a trait is racism is a prima facie, and certainly unfounded, claim.

And in general, what does it mean that a characteristic is intrinsic and unchangeable? Does it mean that even brain surgery cannot change these characteristics? And what if there is a technique for lightening the skin, then now racism disappears because it turned out that black skin is not an intrinsic characteristic (i.e., it can be changed)?! That's really strange. Today there are techniques for changing sex (at least on the biological level, and I don't rule out the possibility of techniques for changing conscious and mental sex. This is certainly possible in principle, even if we're not quite there yet). In principle, it's also possible to transplant a human brain into a monkey, or to enhance brains with chips. Does this mean that the intellectual capacity of monkeys is not an intrinsic characteristic? Is the assertion that there is a difference between the intellectual capacity of humans and that of monkeys racism? And in general, is a characteristic like intelligence changeable or unchangeable?! In conventional terms, no. So any reference to someone's intelligence is racism?

Think of someone who tells blacks that they are mentally inferior, and therefore they must have brain surgery to improve their intellectual ability. I suppose they would say that he is strictly racist, certainly according to the accepted definitions, even though he is hung up on a trait that he himself admits can be changed (by surgery). After all, he himself is suggesting that an inferior race make a change! Or look at the fundamentalists who believe that sex reassignment surgery does not really change the sex but only the external (biological) appearance. They simply assume a different definition of sex. Here it is not even a mistake but just an argument about definitions. Can a wrong definition (even if we assume that there is such a thing as wrong definitions, and add the assumption that this specific definition is indeed wrong) be considered racism? This is very unlikely.

Is treating groups differently based on belief or religious affiliation legitimate? This is certainly a parameter that can be changed. A person can adopt a different belief or religious affiliation and change this characteristic of themselves. Is it because of this that it is permissible to discriminate between religious groups or treat them unequally? Shouldn't such treatment be labeled 'racism'?

Furthermore, when it comes to species and large groups, the characteristics suffer from inherent ambiguity. At most, one can speak of a distribution or an average of the trait in question in the group. Even if someone claims that whites are less intelligent than blacks, it is clear that in his opinion blacks can also be found with an IQ lower than that of any group of whites. At most, he is talking about an average. Can anyone say for sure that the average IQ of blacks and whites is the same? Where does this figure come from? Especially if one adopts the criticism of intelligence tests and IQ scores that is so fashionable among opponents of racism. If the tests themselves are not a measure, how can one know that the average is the same across all groups, species, and races?

Another example is physical abilities. I mentioned the innovative statement that blacks are better basketball players than whites from Hungary. Is this a racist statement? It seems to me that this is a simple fact and there is no problem in expressing it. And if someone says that Hungarians play better (a statement that is wrong on average), is he racist? Beyond that, of course, one can find good white players and bad black players, but on average it is difficult to doubt that blacks play better, and I doubt to what extent this can be fundamentally changed (unless we perform a comprehensive set of analyses on all whites). So now I will ask: is this an intrinsic characteristic, or is it modifiable? It depends on what one means when one talks about change and essentiality. In the conventional sense, one can argue that this is an intrinsic statement, and yet, it seems to me that it, like its opposite, are not racist statements.

Even if it were not factually true that blacks play better, what is wrong with such a statement? The same goes for a similar statement about differences in intelligence (I'm not going to mention it). These are factual claims, true or not. You can argue and bring evidence here or there, but what about racism?! I mentioned above that sometimes such a conclusion is reached because of a prejudice against blacks or whites, and then there is a whiff of racism here. But still, the bottom line is that there is an error of fact here (if any), and a factual statement, even if it is wrong, is not racism. In short, the principled claim against a racist is not that he is stupid (even if it is true), but that he is evil.

Interim conclusion

If it is a factual claim, it should be tested against facts and observations, not against values. Values are not supposed to dictate facts. Subordinating facts to values is a fallacy, very typical of the postmodern era that denies pure factuality (it was preceded by pragmatism, which has already been vilified here more than once). It seems to me that opponents of racism are no less, if not more, than racists themselves. Both sides prefer to see reality through eyes that match their values, and the argument/difference is at most whether these are positive values or not. Some are comfortable seeing the world as composed of different groups, while others are comfortable identifying between the groups or blurring the differences between them.

Both sides talk about seeing reality through value-based lenses (and probably see reality incorrectly), and therefore, in principle, both sides are wrong and misleading. Reality should not be subordinated to values (this is the naturalistic fallacy). Not because it is always wrong, since one of the two opposing statements is necessarily correct, but because values are not the prism through which it is correct to determine facts. It is not reasonable to identify racism, which is ethically flawed behavior, with perceptions or statements that refer to facts.

Racism on the Ethical Level: Profiling

We have seen that racism cannot be reduced to the factual level. A racist attitude or position belongs to the value level, meaning that it is a type of attitude toward certain groups or people and not just a factual view of differences between their characteristics (essential or not). Here we come to a second characteristic (also hinted at in Shenhav's definition): determining an attitude toward groups or people according to their (essential) characteristics. To be racist, in addition to the factual diagnosis, an attitude that is built on this diagnosis is also required. A statement that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites is not racism, but at most an incorrect statement (or not). But giving them discriminatory treatment based on this statement can be considered racism. This is what is called "profiling" today, that is, determining a profile of a group according to some (essential?) characteristics, and determining a different attitude toward the members of this group based on its collective profile.

But even here the road is not over. First, we must distinguish between justified and unjustified treatment. If the treatment given to a group is justified on the basis of its profile, there is no racism here. Adding only Jews to the minyan is not racism, because essentially only Jews join the minyan (in my personal opinion, only believing Jews join, and according to this there is not even a whiff of racism here, but even without that it should not be seen as racism). Accepting outstanding athletes to compete solely on the basis of their sporting skills is not racism. The reason for this is that their profile is relevant to the treatment in question.

Racism or discrimination

So what is racism anyway? Determining an attitude towards group X based on characteristic A, when characteristic A is irrelevant to the attitude in question. For example, I don't let black people into my club because they have a low IQ, even though the activities in the club do not require intellectual skills. Racism is when I don't let black people into the swimming pool, even though their skin color has nothing to do with the activities that take place there (see here andhere). But here too one can wonder what this has to do with racism. Think of a situation where I am not allowed into the swimming pool simply because they don't like me, or based on an arbitrary lottery (they decided that one in three people who come will not be able to enter, just for no reason). This is discrimination that is not based on profiling, and therefore it is certainly not racism but discrimination or exclusion.

Is there a difference between these two types of discrimination? There is, but it does not seem relevant on the ethical level. I see no difference between discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics (racism) and casual or arbitrary discrimination. In short, the problem with racism is not profiling, but discrimination and exclusion. My problem with someone who does not accept black people into a club or swimming pool is not his racism and his need for their characteristics, but that he discriminates against people without justification. Why does it matter whether the discrimination is based on profiling or on a lottery? Discrimination is discrimination, and it is bad regardless of its reasons. If so, talking about racism that can only refer to the ethical level seems completely irrelevant on the ethical level. There is no moral value in not being racist. The value is not to discriminate and to treat people equally.

At most, it can be said that racism on the factual level is a source that is bound to lead to unequal and discriminatory treatment. Experience shows that when there is profiling, it often leads to discriminatory treatment, but the ethical problem is the discriminatory treatment, not racism.

Attitude towards an individual within a group

There are situations where profiling is done for a group, and it is assumed that if it is correct then all members of the group are characterized in the same way (this is a problem of The Almighty in the army). For example, suppose we conducted a study and came to the conclusion that the IQ of a certain group is lower than others. As mentioned, this claim in itself is only a description and therefore does not contain racism in the ethical sense. Now we can ask what about the attitude towards this group? Ostensibly, in contexts where IQ is relevant, we can also treat the members of the group according to the factual findings that are valid about them (not admitting them to university, or to the 'Talpiot' track in the army).

The problem arises in relation to a particular member of the group who is not characterized in this way, that is, who belongs to the intelligent minority in that group. Such a person is entitled to be treated fairly according to his qualifications, regardless of the group he belongs to. Treatment of such a person based on group characteristics can be considered improper profiling, or racism. For example, what would we say about a teacher who gives a low grade to a student of Mizrahi origin simply because he is convinced that, on average, students of such origin are less successful (let's assume for the sake of discussion that this is factually true)? This is profiling at its worst.

But here too I will make two reservations:

  1. There are situations where there is no escape and one must rely on profiling, due to a lack of the possibility or resources needed to provide individual treatment. For example, disqualifying an Arab MK from sitting on the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Security Committee (or subcommittees) can be justified if we do not have the tools to check his loyalty. The suspicion regarding the lack of loyalty of Arabs in security matters is well-founded and it is certainly justified to take it into account in relation to them. Of course, if we know of a particular person whose loyalty is clear - then of course there is no justification for this. But if we have no way to check or the check is very expensive and there is no practical possibility of doing it - then this is a completely legitimate decision and there is no racism in it.

The same is true for security checks of Arabs at the airport (in the US after 9/11, when strict checks began at airports, severe criticism arose about profiling. The fools wanted everyone to be checked equally. In Israel, such claims are raised from time to time as well). But at the airport, it is impossible to be satisfied with checking suspects because there is not always a way to know who is a suspect and we risk attacks that will not be prevented. On the other hand, checking Jews is foolish because there are no Jewish terrorists (at least with regard to hitting airplanes). The stubborn opposition to profiling in these contexts is a confusion of values, and it reflects political correctness in its worst form.

About the above inWikipedia Criticisms of the KBA diagnoses have been brought forward, all of which focus on the question of whether the parameters by which the KBA score is determined are relevant and whether they are biased. But the main criticism, which for some reason is not brought forward there, is completely different. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that these parameters are relevant and not biased on average. Let's assume that residents of development towns or people of Mizrahi origin are, on average, endowed with less talent or less education or less good leadership skills. Any reasonable person understands that in such large groups (Mizrahi, or residents of the periphery), whose members received a low KBA score simply because they are such, there are exceptional people. And aren't there talented and leadership-minded people who live in a development town or of Mizrahi origin? Every person deserves treatment that suits them specifically, regardless of their group profile. There is no justification for discussing a person's fate only according to the profile of the group to which they belong.

This criticism is very true, and it is not even politically correct. And yet, in light of what I have explained here, if it is very difficult to test individual suitability directly, there may be justification for using an index like the KBA. Furthermore, because it is about the fate of people (in our society, military service is the gateway to many things in the future), many resources must be invested to try and circumvent the need for the KBA (yes, to test skills individually). Indeed, a few months ago (August 2021) the IDF changed the parameters of the KBA.

  1. Even if an individual is treated inappropriately because of collective profiling, and even where this is not justified (because they have exceptional characteristics), the ethical and moral problem in such a relationship is not racism but discrimination and exclusion (as I explained above). Therefore, such a situation also fails to establish a moral claim for racism. Although here we can see the meaning of racism as a foundation for discrimination. Profiling expresses a relationship with an individual within a collective, and therefore is an opening that calls for discrimination and unequal treatment of individuals within the group. As I explained above, even in such cases, racism is not an independent moral failing, but rather a relationship that may lead to moral failings.

Interim summary

The conclusion that emerges so far is that there is no moral or ethical flaw in racism. At most, it constitutes a mental infrastructure that may lead people to discrimination and exclusion, or inequality, and these are indeed moral flaws. Carrying the name of racism in vain stems from the sensitivity created by the Holocaust and the discrimination of blacks in the US (as well as Mizrahi Jews in Israel). Sometimes it is done innocently, but my feeling is that sometimes it is a deliberate manipulation, which tries to create a subconscious identification between discrimination and Nazism. Hence the widespread use of race terms, even though discrimination is problematic on any background (and even without any background at all. Arbitrary discrimination). This failure, beyond being a failure, is also a shot in the foot of the fight against discrimination (as often happens in the discourse of political correctness), because if the claim against me is that I am racist, it is enough for me to show that I am not racist to escape criticism. The relevant discussion should revolve around the question of whether I provide equal treatment and do not discriminate, and not the question of whether I am racist.

The conclusion is that racism needs to be removed from our DSM of negative values. There is and should be no such value. Blaming a person or an attitude for racism is an unhelpful, and in most cases even harmful, deception. There is no place for such a moral accusation, and its use is a mistake at best, and demagogic manipulation at worst.

Now I will try to demonstrate this briefly through several different contexts. I have dealt with most of them here in the past, and therefore I will need them here in summing up what is being said, in order to demonstrate the analysis made above. I will say right here that the last example (the essential claim about a noble people) is the only one that comes close to reflecting a value problem of racism, and even there it is at most a whiff of racism and not something really solid.

A. The Nazis

Well, you could have guessed that the first example would be Nazism. That's where it all starts. The fact that the Nazis were based on a racial theory does not mean that racism is wrong, or even that it is wrong. If the Jews were truly corrupt and harmful and greedy, etc., then would it have been permissible to exterminate them in extermination camps and crematoria? And if their racial theory is wrong, is the problem that they were wrong and held a false doctrine? The problem is what they did on the basis of this racial theory. There is no doubt that racial theory helped them to assimilate their doctrine and act according to it, but in the end, the moral problem of the Nazis was not racism, but that they were unjustified murderers. What was unusual about them was not their reliance on racism, but the systematicity, form, and scope of the act of extermination.

No one would have thought to prohibit characterizing groups by shoe size, even if the Nazis had chosen to murder by shoe size. I assume they also wouldn't have used the term "shoes" for anyone who discriminates against others on any basis (or without any basis). The Nazis also wore pants when they murdered and even used guns. So now it's forbidden to wear pants or use guns (for justified purposes)? Is now everyone who shoots a deer and kills it (completely wrong, of course) a Nazi, or perhaps a racist? The hysteria about the Nazis is understandable, but precisely because of it, drawing conclusions about everything that concerns them is deeply flawed.

B. The Haredi attitude towards Mizrahi

In a column 206 also here (For some reason I also remember a column about Emmanuel, and now I can't find it.) I spoke out about the discriminatory attitude of the Haredi towards Mizrahi. A clear example of this is the affair of the students at Emmanuel. One of the most famous is that the acceptance of Mizrahi students into "Ashkenazi" institutions in the Haredi sector (only there are Ashkenazi and Sephardic institutions) is problematic. Although it is usually justified on the basis of factual characteristics (television in the home, a different form of learning, a different tradition of jurisprudence, a different culture, different role models, and so on). One can like or dislike (mostly not) the division of institutions and communities in the Haredi world, but given this division, I see no particular problem with such relevant distinctions. An institution that chooses to educate its students on the fact that Rabbi Shach is the great one in the universe and everything else is a zero, or that educates on the Lithuanian ethos and voting for the Agudath Israel party and nothing else, without television and Western culture, Hasidic songs and not Mizrahi songs, and the like, is certainly expected and likely to refrain from accepting Mizrahi students. This is a completely factual distinction, and there is no trace of racism in it. The choice to see these parameters as important parameters that define the educational direction is of course strange to me and I do not like it, but it is at most stupidity and not racism.

It can of course be argued that if they had examined the students individually, they would have discovered that there are Mizrahi students who meet the relevant criteria (admire Rabbi Shach, listen to only Hasidic music and study Torah in the Lithuanian way), and that the decision based on the collective profile is problematic. But here too, the reservations I raised above must be taken into account. To what extent can one examine, what is the cost of failing, and so on. Furthermore, such institutions usually do accept Mizrahi students, but in smaller numbers, and this is actually an excellent indication that there is no racism there at all. After all, on average, these distinctions are correct, and therefore a substantive examination will yield results of a majority of Ashkenazi students, also for completely substantive and relevant reasons.

In significant parts of the Ashkenazi Haredi world, there are quite a few incorrect stereotypes about Mizrahi, and this is where we can see a problem. But it is a mistake and not a value lapse. Only if they adopt the stereotypes even though they know they are incorrect can we perhaps see this as a problem. But I don't think this is the usual case. The fact that they don't bother to check is laziness and mental fixation, but again, not racism. After all, even if there is unjustified discrimination in student admissions, the problem is discrimination and exclusion, not racism.

One might expect that they would introduce affirmative action in admissions to give Mizrahi students a chance to "advance" (in the terms accepted there. Even the Mizrahi students who so desperately want to be admitted to that institution probably believe that this is progress). But this is a demand that goes beyond the law, and certainly not complying with it is not racism. Just as a university that does not accept weak students just to give them a chance to advance is not accused of racism. The criterion of abilities is relevant in admissions to a university, and the criteria of Mizrahi/Ashkenazi are relevant in admissions to an Ashkenazi institution.

C. Psychometrics and university admissions

In a very similar way, one can talk about the claims regarding the university admissions cutoff, both for students and lecturers. They point to a minority of Mizrahi people in Israel (does that still exist?), blacks in the US, or women (?), but this very difference does not indicate racism or even discrimination. The difficulty in admitting to a university for weaker populations is a matter of concern. Although it is possible to demand an individual examination of each candidate and not to introduce group profiling, it seems to me that no institution really grants admission based on collective criteria. The differences are the result of the relevant policy (which can of course be criticized). Do we expect to introduce other criteria only to achieve artificial equality? If so, then the alternative criteria should be presented, and not be satisfied with pointing out the numerical difference. I recall an interview with a school principal in Tel Aviv that I heard many years ago on the radio. He was very proud of the fact that he had canceled the computer course at the school, because he saw that female students were weaker than male students in this area. And back to our subject, even if there is a problem with the admission criteria, it is not a question of Racism is a mistake. And the moral problem is discrimination, not racism or gender.

D. Torah study for women

Regarding women's study of Torah, there is an ongoing debate (is it still ongoing? I mean outside the 'Mount Moriah' sect). It is usually framed as whether women are less qualified to study Torah (their minds are light, their wisdom is in the field, etc.). Some cry and others cry, and the question of essentialism arises here (which we saw above is usually linked to the question of racism), since this is an argument that the female nature is innate and structured and cannot be changed. The debate is also usually conducted on a factual level. Women are offended by this distinction and men who are subject to political correctness are ashamed to say it and even convince themselves that it is not true. I have written more than once that, at least from the facts on the ground, it seems that women are not yet reaching high levels of scholarship. There may be many justified reasons for this, but this is the fact for now and anyone who denies it is simply burying their head in the sand (as the commandments of political correctness dictate). Anyone who dares to say such a thing is of course immediately caught in a catapult (from experience). In the best case scenario, they will deny the facts or explain to him in a good-natured manner that I actually know someone who is truly elite (according to the 'law of small numbers'). Others explain that this is racism, that is, they attack this claim on an ethical level. But in light of what I have explained so far, these discussions are irrelevant.

If this characterization is correct, then there is no gender bias here and no error, but rather a correct factual description. And even if it is incorrect, then there is an error here that may lead to discrimination. In any case, the question of essentiality is a question that lies on the factual level and must be discussed there (it is not easy to decide, of course, and it is even quite difficult to define the parties, etc.). And I have not yet mentioned the strange fact that anyone who claims that there is a difference in abilities between women and men is repeatedly asked to provide evidence for his statement, but the claim that there is no difference is perceived by men and women as something that is self-evident and does not require any proof. At most, they explain to you that there are circumstances that justify this (their exclusion at a young age, the inability to invest time and the lack of educational institutions in adulthood, etc.). But the fact that there are justified circumstances does not mean that women have the same abilities as men. At most, it can be argued that there is no evidence for the opposite claim. In these debates, the facts are blatantly and explicitly subordinated to agenda and ideology. But regardless of all this, the factual question has nothing to do with questions of values (racism).

In any case, even if there is a problem with these distinctions, it is clear that there is no claim here under the value clause of racism/genderism. At most, it is a mistake, and perhaps it leads to discrimination. I have already mentioned that the value claims that are made when dealing with the factual level are a shot in the foot of the struggle. This factual error (assuming it is an error) must be dealt with on the factual level and not dismissed as a fact claim on the basis of value claims. Reality is not subject to values (it was here before).

As someone who has been involved in Torah study for women for many years and who cares about it (but refuses to let desire and agendas overshadow his view of reality), I find these discussions silly and questionable how well both sides of the debate are defined. What does essential mean? What is considered unchangeable? Does brain surgery count or not? And despite everything, I definitely see a problem with excluding women from study, but this has nothing to do with claims about their abilities. I will now explain this on two levels.

The fundamental problem with this policy is not in the nature of the distinction (whether it is correct or not), but in the treatment of an individual person according to collective profiling. Even if we accept the assumption that in the collective profile women are on average weaker than men in their abilities in studying Torah, so what? We are talking about a huge group, about 50% of the world's population. Clearly, there are also those among them who are not weaker than all men, and I am sure that there are also quite a few among them who are superior in their learning abilities. So at least let these women study Torah. Here we can already smell a moral failure, but as mentioned, the failure is discrimination and exclusion, not essentialism and racism. Essentialism may lead to discrimination and exclusion, but the moral problem is discrimination, not essentialism. The question of essentialism is factual, and as such it must be examined directly on the factual level.

So far I have argued that there are talented women and therefore they should not be prevented from studying Torah. But my principled argument is much broader. Even if we assume that all women are less talented than men (there are no elite women at all), it is still not clear why they are prohibited from studying Torah? Is someone who is not talented in a certain field prohibited from engaging in it? If he wants to – that is his right. This is the main argument regarding women’s study of Torah, and it makes all discussions about profiling and the reliability of the factual distinctions that underlie the discussion unnecessary. It also sharpens the disconnect that must be made between the factual and the ethical levels.

E. With virtue

People rebel against statements that we are a special people, claiming that this is racism. They mean the statement in its essential interpretation, that is, the assumption that we are a people endowed with special qualities (special spirituality, etc., which is attributed toKhazari with its five steps). I personally think that there is no indication for this claim of fact, but in order to examine it, one must define the concept of a 'special people', a very difficult matter and, in my opinion, almost impossible (in the second book of my trilogy, I devoted Chapter 22 to this matter). But even without going into these difficulties, the claim that we are a special people in the essential sense must be examined on the factual level. If it is true, then there is no reason to claim it and there is no trace of racism here. If it is not true, then it is possible and necessary to argue about it, but this debate is on the factual level (to show that there is no difference in average behavior, etc.) and not on the value level. At most, it is a mistake, but it has nothing to do with a value failure. In my personal opinion, this is a kind of disconnection from reality. To my understanding, as I explained there, a special people means a people chosen by God and given a mission, and not a people with other essential qualities than other peoples and human beings.[1]

The conclusion is that profiling, even if it is spiritual, needs to be examined factually (whether it is true or not). Although the conclusions drawn from it (treating non-Jews differently, for example, dismissing their good deeds as if they did not truly come from kindness and morality) are the closest thing to a value-based failure of racism that I know of. This is the canonical example of value-based racism, and it is different from all the examples cited above. This is an impractical attitude that stems from racism, and therefore it cannot be mapped onto another value (such as discrimination or exclusion). But again, at its root this is a factual question, and therefore even if there is a problem here, it is not a problem of racism but of error. I definitely think that the difficulty in arguing about it (again from experience) stems from built-in racism. This racism causes people to see and interpret the facts in the world in a selective and biased way. When you bring them evidence of Gentiles doing good deeds and Jews doing bad deeds, and even if you bring statistics, they will reject you out of hand (for Jews it is intrinsic and for Gentiles it is an external aspect to them. The devil knows what is meant by that). But in the end, it is a wrong worldview and not a moral flaw. If they had reached these conclusions without their racist basis, there would still be a factual problem here and perhaps also a moral one, and that would be the very same problem. The racism in the background is not important for the moral discussion. Beyond that, if behavioral consequences are not derived from this observation, there is no real moral problem here (although there is a smell. Because a person's evidence and moral judgment are matters of value significance). And if unjustified behavioral consequences are derived from it, then again the problem is not racism but the consequences: discrimination, exclusion, or unequal treatment.

It seems to me that the attitude of many in the religious community towards Gentiles, without talking about the practical implications (inappropriate treatment of them) but only about the interpretation given to their character and motives, is the closest thing I can think of to the ethical failure of racism. It is a racist failure because here there is no discrimination on a practical level and no practical implications at all, therefore there is no other ethical problem here. Whoever nevertheless sees such an attitude as an ethical problem, it seems to me that this is the closest thing I can think of to an ethical flaw that can be called racism. But as mentioned, here too it is mainly a racist scent and less solid racism (in taste rather than substance).

[1] My argument is that this choice can also be arbitrary or based on cultural and value differences (Abraham educating his descendants to do righteousness and justice), and it is not necessary to depend on essential qualities. Such a choice, even if it is arbitrary, is not discrimination. Assuming that God must choose a certain people, then even if there is no difference between the peoples, the choice must be made (see, for example, Maharal Netzah Israel Chapter 11 onwards). And certainly as long as it does not give the chosen people privileges, there is no moral problem here.

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  1. With God’s help

    I am surprised because from my initial observation it seems that the discussion here is entirely about definitions. That is, the rabbi seems to assume that:

    A. "Racism" does not mean a claim of fact, true or false.
    B. "Racism" is not taking discriminatory actions, or at least the actions cannot be criticized based on the word "racism."
    C. "Racism" is something that people see as a bad thing, and if we combine the previous assumptions, it turns out that it is unjustified.

    But if the entire discussion is about definitions, where is the place for criticism? One can call a person who makes false assumptions about various groups out of laziness or simply a distorted worldview, or alternatively who discriminates on such a basis, a "racist," a "mushiko," a "timkbekto," or a "kokuriko" (the word so beloved by the rabbi). What is the point of criticizing someone who calls such a person a racist based on a different definition of the term racist, where racism is ethically wrong?

    Unless the intention was merely to distill the problematic and say that it is not in the assumption that there is a difference but in the practical implications or in the laziness of arriving at such an erroneous assumption, but I don't know if that's what you're referring to, and even if so, I didn't understand why the rabbi claims otherwise (it is possible to recognize the value of "not thinking nonsense about another person" ethically. For example, halacha recognizes the value of a law that is based on merit and meritorious service).

    1. By the way, regarding the Rabbi's claim that if we assume that all women (or even most of them) are different in terms of their ability to learn from men, there is still no reason to prohibit them from learning. I wonder, aren't the opponents relying on the words of Chazal and Maimonides according to which women are not only "less capable" of Torah readings because of their character, etc., but the combination of this character with Torah creates (at least according to most) real harm: "teaching incantations," "extracting the law from the words of the rabbis based on their poor understanding," etc. One can agree, one can disagree, and one can not understand the rabbi at all, but it is difficult to make claims about someone who assumes the truth of this claim from the perspective of "why not?"

      And did I not understand?

      1. And regarding women's Torah study, there are also men who interpret the Torah in terms of the words of the rabbis (some of whom are considered Torah gurus). Is this enough to prohibit them from studying? Let them interpret it, and we will correct them or we will not accept their words.

    2. You are mixing up a discussion of definitions with an analytical analysis of a subject. What I am showing here is that conceptual analysis shows that racism in its ethical meaning is almost empty of content. If you define racism in a factual sense – to your health. That is semantics. And if you think that is agreed upon by everyone – then excellent. For some reason I hear accusations of racism all the time around me, but maybe you live on another planet.

      1. Thank you Rabbi, I think I understand better now. But I assume that the attack on the "factual" levels with anger stems from the fact that they tend to lead to discrimination, etc. (because if they are correct then why not really discriminate), and therefore society is interested in suppressing this, and not the very ability to discriminate, which is sometimes necessary. In other words: even if the problem is in the result, the problematic factor, which is the justification for discrimination, should be addressed, not the consequence, which is the discrimination itself, in a sweeping manner.

        And regarding women – again, I wonder, aren't men obligated? And what's the point of taking out a D&C for the sake of showing off and so on? It can be argued (in principle) that women are more prone to this and therefore should be prevented from doing so because the risk is greater. It doesn't matter whether I agree or not – but the claim is not logically unfounded, but at most realistic.

  2. Well, that's what happens when you disdain psychology.. 🙂 Not a word or reference to the instinctive repulsion of man from the other, to the tendency of people to project onto that other all the bad qualities they imagine (and in most cases, their own), and the attempt to destroy this other as part of the novel attempt to deal with our own evil by erasing it. All these things that have been discussed quite a bit and that have great meaning, content, and logic are lost in the fog of definitions. Just because we can define things doesn't mean we understand the phenomenon. Once you've defined the map according to your own eyes and placed all the things according to the definitions, then the illusion is created that the entire problem is clear and solved, when in fact all you've done is describe it in other words and the question remains. Think of a Brisk analysis of an issue – I’m no expert on this, but from my experience, there are sometimes situations where all the analysis does is divide into parts, without explaining why this division has meaning or even what its meaning is, and thus the entire “analysis” is nothing more than a new way of describing the question without moving a millimeter closer to its solution. So you differentiated between different behaviors (fact-finding, discrimination, etc.) and seemingly covered the whole space, but in fact you completely ignored the mental movement that stems from and is created by racism and feeds it: the fear, hatred, disgust, contempt – the things that lead to all the ethical failures you described, and are likely their foundation. So let’s define this mental movement as racism – you can call it by another name if you really want to insist that “racism” is an empty concept (I’m not responsible for the definitions of ivory, for that matter) – but it is the main thing and the heart of the matter, and you didn’t say a word about it. I suppose you might tell me that I have no proof that the mechanisms I describe exist – but I can honestly tell you that I know them, first of all from myself, and also from a reasonable assumption that they exist in other people, because they explain so much. The assumption that all people are simply rational beings from the planet Vulcan who can at most make mistakes in their analysis of reality is the one that requires proof, in my opinion.

    1. I have no argument with the psychological claims you presented, except that they are irrelevant to the discussion.
      I did not come to solve the problem of racism, so the claim that I did not solve anything is irrelevant. I came to define the concept and make some fundamental distinctions that show that it has no value content (which I think is also important when we come to solve the problem. It is important to define it first).
      In all your words, I did not find a single argument against anything I said. You pointed out problematic traits of human nature, and this is certainly worth discussing and seems very reasonable. But what does that have to do with my words? What exactly do you disagree with? I get the impression that there is one starting point for my words, but you can see that in my discussion of Am Segula, I point to racism in a psychological sense that is close to what you described (although there it has traditional reasons, Torah sources, and the like, beyond psychology). I was willing to talk there about the smell of racism, but even there it is not racism in the full sense. Of course, any similar reference like the ones you described deserves the same characterization (the smell of racism).
      And in particular, I don't understand what all this has to do with my disdain for psychology. I'm not dealing with psychology here and it doesn't relate to the discussion in any way. Except for one aspect that I commented on: that factual racism can form a basis that leads to discrimination and exclusion.
      Of course, I also don't assume that people are completely rational, and this can be seen in every section of this site. On the contrary, I usually lament irrationality. Among other things, this irrationality is expressed in a tendency towards emotionalism in conceptual discussion, and in mixing up levels of discussion (and in particular between psychology and essence).
      Regarding your lack of skill in scholarly analysis, I take that as a personal insult (and I also disagree) 🙂

      1. Well, I wrote this in the middle of the night, so I really wasn't clear. My point was that I really have no complaints about your analysis here – so your response is justified – the analysis is perfectly fine. But in my opinion, if we settle for this analysis when discussing the issue of racism, we miss the main point and the heart: the mental mechanisms that create this phenomenon – and I don't care what we call this phenomenon: But in my opinion, when people express disgust with racism, what is behind it are not the concepts you described, which are indeed empty of value content, but precisely those mental and psychological mechanisms. It is clear to me that in your opinion psychology is irrelevant to the discussion, but that was exactly my point: ignoring psychology on this issue really empties the discussion of its content to a large extent, and therefore it is no wonder that this is the conclusion. Because racism in its wrong sense is first and foremost a *psychological* phenomenon with value implications, and not a philosophical phenomenon with value implications.
        And regarding my lack of skill in scholarly analysis – thank you, and indeed most of the little I have came from you and Rabbi Blumenzaug, but it is still little :-)

        1. Everything you wrote here and before fits into my comment that racism can lead to various value problems. That is indeed true, and the mechanisms you described are part of the issue. I think we have no argument, except that I think psychology is irrelevant to the discussion.

  3. In a peaceful country, two races live peacefully. All members of one race, the Round race, are endowed with every talent, and all members of the other race, the Triangle race, are not (except perhaps for the talent for war, in which the Triangles are very talented). All the playing field is perfectly fair and in the end one race occupies all the positions of power and wealth. Is this the optimal situation from a utilitarian point of view? Will it create a stable society? Is it *worth* for the Triangle race to live in such a country and not to secede and establish another country (or, in fact: push the Round race out into another country, or into another world)? Do such questions seem relevant to you?

    1. I think it is only indirectly relevant. For me, morality is not consequential (but rather, in the Kantian sense, a hypothetical consequence), and therefore such a consideration does not reflect on the question of whether it is moral or not. But sometimes a consequential consideration can determine policy even in the absence of moral considerations, and therefore I will certainly understand triangles who would not agree with such a policy. Incidentally, there may of course also be triangles who would agree that this is truly the best situation for them as well.
      But beyond all of this, even if I accept your consequentialist argument in the value dimension (for example, according to the categorical imperative, the situation in which all roles are with the triangles is not an ideal situation and therefore it is not right to act in this way), then the conclusion is that it is not right to hand over all roles to the circles. Why is this related to the question of racism?

      1. Another preliminary question for you. Two people on a desert island each stick a finger in a dam, in such a way that if one of them were to remove the finger, both would suffer greatly. One of them is tall and picks delicious fruits from nearby trees, and the other is short and content with picking weeds and fruits that have fallen from the tree. The shorter one is of course allowed and invited to send his maid to pick some of the no-man's-land fruits (if the maid's-land grows longer, he will also succeed). What does magical deontological morality say in such a situation? That is, what is the taller one's duty to do, and what is the shorter one (who is very strong, by the way) allowed to do. And what if the taller one does not pick the no-man's-land fruits but also plants the tree (the shorter one does not know or is unable to plant short trees, or there are none).

          1. The connection is that complaints about racism *always* deal with the fact that a certain group is in a relatively worse position (and perhaps it has better alternatives than continuing to be a quiet and comfortable partner in society. Or it has the ability to drill a hole in the common ship). Now someone comes along and explains to that group that everything is justified according to moral laws and draws their attention to the fact that the 'rules of the game' are fair. In my opinion, such an explanation (a kind of discussion of a collection of principles that you and others call morality) simply does not harm the point of the discussion. Although of course everyone has the right to decide to discuss something irrelevant to their own pleasure.

            1. We're back to the discussion about consequentialism. We've had it more than once. The fact that I think something is justified and it doesn't convince anyone else is unfortunate, but to me it doesn't mean much.

              1. Yes, but in a society that benefits from all its parts, I thought even strict deontologists would agree that fair "rules" are not enough. This is the case with the example of the low and the high.

              2. Could you please address the example of the low and the high above directly, and confirm that in your opinion both will stick their finger in the dam and the high will eat the fruits and the low will not, because that is appropriate and fitting?

                [I personally don't understand where the idea comes from that a person's body or his thinking tools, things that "nature" has bestowed upon his 'soul', belong to him "in principle" more than others. In my opinion, this is a clear naturalistic fallacy (although of course it can be bridged with a principle). The same goes for things that a person has created with talent and effort. But I didn't need it here.]

              3. I'm trying to ask about the case before we even get to its fundamental analysis. I haven't been able to identify what's wrong with what I've formulated. In the above case (or is it that I didn't understand the case itself?) is the higher person who benefits from his height allowed to take all the fruits for himself or is he obliged to share with the lower person.

              4. Two people live together in some place. The prosperity of both depends on the effort of both, that is, if one of them stops trying, then both will lose a lot. One of them has a natural advantage that allows him to produce more when the rules are equal and justified. [A short and a tall man live on a lonely island. Both stick their finger in the dam and if one takes their finger out, both will be flooded and suffer. One of them is taller and therefore only he can reach the fruits, and the short one manages to reach only the fruits that fall, which are few and bad. The equal and justified rules are that everyone is allowed to take fruits from the desert as he wishes].
                The dilemma is whether the higher, since he needed the efforts of the lower to stop the flood, even though the lower will certainly continue to make efforts because it is also critical for himself, then the higher must share with the lower everything he achieves. Or, since the fundamental opening conditions are equal, and only the natural opening conditions are different (one had the opportunity to receive a higher body and one did not), then the inequality in the outcome is of no importance, and the higher is morally entitled to take all the fruits and the lower is forbidden from beating him in order to take the fruits.

              5. For the sake of this matter, let's assume that a person's body (and his thinking abilities and diligence, etc.) "belongs" to him and not to others.

              6. I'm not at all sure that this is a moral question. It's a question of ownership and a question of negotiation. Does the inferior have bargaining power? If he can threaten to stick his finger out, then of course he will win half. But if not – then no. Beyond bargaining and negotiation, I don't think there is a moral obligation here and everyone will keep theirs. If the inferior is poor, he can ask for charity and there is an obligation to give it to him. But if not – then why would he demand equal distribution? Communism?

              7. Because the high achiever succeeds in obtaining fruits thanks to the efforts of the woodcutters and water carriers. The low have no bargaining power because sticking out a finger is worse than receiving fruits.

              8. This is essentially the communist argument. The tycoons should share with the public, because it provides them with security services, garbage, factory workers, etc. In my opinion, there is no such moral argument. It is just a question of bargaining (game theory).

              9. So, in your opinion, all "racism" that does not cause harm but rather refrains from giving is perfectly morally fine? So what is the claim about discrimination in the column and that someone took something from someone in the first place?

              10. Wow. That's a big challenge for me. Not necessarily to answer, but to understand how you inferred that from what I said? I can't see even a hint of that in what I said.

              11. Exactly. Morality is not causing harm to another. Not giving to him is not "immoral." Indeed, if there is no problem of harm, then there is really no discrimination. (The assumption is that usually government institutions or public institutions belong to society as a whole, not just to those who staff them, and therefore they do belong there.) And it certainly doesn't belong to bring claims for giving. That was the evil and corrupt communism. And if it seems problematic to you, it's not because of anything related to morality. It's because of aesthetics. In the Jewish people specifically, there is a covenant (which God is responsible for maintaining) of mutual guarantee, and then there is a problem with the virtue of Sodom because there is a commandment of charity, but then there shouldn't be a problem for the rich to give because charity is a type of investment that God is supposed to return to the one who gives. In any case, it's not a concession, but an investment (the fear-based view is that the Jewish people are an organism and whoever gives charity is a cell that invests in the body to which it belongs and will receive it back from the body anyway) and everyone benefits. But even charity cannot be brought and claimed by force (even though it is a demand from God, and therefore even the Jewish Law can in principle impose it as on any other positive commandment).

              12. Rather, explain to me. The taller one took all the fruits for himself, and gave a share to his friend, and the shorter one did not. What is the problem? These people do not want to teach women Torah or publish their articles, these people do not want to accept Sephardim, let's say there is no reason. Why is this not the theory of games, etc.

              13. But how were Sephardim and women essential to the Torah study of Ashkenazim and men? If so, they can bargain and get a share.

              14. (Emanuel, I ask Rabbi Michi about his view that even the essential should not be given anything if he has no bargaining power. And if so, let alone the non-essentials like women and Sephardim, etc. So what is the point of discussing whether there is illegal racism here? After all, they didn't take anything from anyone, they just refrained from allowing or giving them anything. If I am allowed to prefer myself, why shouldn't I be allowed to prefer whoever I want?)

              15. If they have no bargaining power, then it's a sign that they have nothing to give. We're not talking about an oppressor (he gave to me and because I'm strong I withheld his share. It's about assessing how much he deserves from the start - how much his contribution is worth - and that's determined by bargaining). I don't have to give someone something if they don't give me anything or I can get by without them.

              16. He will answer you whatever he thinks is right, but in my opinion, I do not think that women must be taught Torah. They should not be prevented from studying on their own from books if they want to, but they do not have to be taught. And in this case, I do not know how worthwhile it is. Indeed, educated women in other subjects should have equivalent Torah education (it is not possible for them to have academic education but to be ignorant and common people in the Torah field). But still, from my experience, women interpret Torah according to the words of the rabbis (and their minds are indeed light, but that is not related). And the nonsense that, according to Rabbi Michai, the great Torah scholars, say is not interpreting Torah according to the words of the rabbis, but something else. Our eyes see that the vast majority of Torah students deal with feminism and women's laws all day long, and you will not see a single woman who deals with the laws of firstborns or the actions of a priest. And they also show ignorance (not to say infantilism) in what they deal with.

                And Sephardim are not required in principle either. But Sephardim are a different story (although there is no racism again in not accepting them if they want a yeshiva with an Ashkenazi character. After all, they also want an Ashkenazi yeshiva) because there is a mitzvah to teach Torah to men and if a Sephardim wants to grow in Torah, it is in our interest to teach him. Indeed, in order to maintain the European Ashkenazi character of a yeshiva, it makes sense to limit the number of Sephardim if they are not willing (or cannot) join. There is also the matter of public funding and the matter is complicated.

              17. If the funder conditions the funding on a requirement (for example, not to discriminate) and the requirement is violated (discriminates), then it is a problem even if the discrimination is completely justified, and that is not what the column is about (as I understood it).
                Mm. Now I will wait for Rabbi Michi's response, from which it will probably become clear that I made some incorrect logical leaps, etc.

              18. No one is obligated to teach women Torah or to teach anyone Torah. What I said is that there is no permission to prevent them and forbid them. Don't you see the difference between these two? You don't want to teach, don't learn. Everything is fine. But to fight against it and boycott those who do it, and to preach to women that they are not allowed to learn (when they are not equipped with the tools to understand that this is nonsense, because they were not taught), is definitely discrimination and exclusion.
                Beyond that, assuming that there is an obligation (explanation and commandment) to study and teach Torah, then refraining from teaching someone is also wrong. And refraining from teaching women because they are women is even less wrong.
                It's not like just not giving someone something of mine that they don't deserve and have no obligation to give them, like in the example you gave. I really don't understand this strange discussion.

              19. I really don't see the difference in your method. To boycott means not to bear fruit, and you explained in Totod that it is always permissible even without any reason (as long as the rules of conduct are fair and all differences arise naturally). Preaching is problematic only if it causes a problematic boycott, and since the boycott is not problematic, then neither is preaching.

              20. So I understand that your argument is essentially that a person has a moral obligation to act equitably towards others, even when giving charity or choosing who to buy from at the grocery store, as long as he is not deprived of it or has no 'justified' reason. But to my surprise, you don't write that (and that's how I understand you right now).

              21. To my surprise, I write things that are clear and they are not understood. My argument is that when there is no obligation (moral, religious or legal) to give, then I can choose to give to whomever I want. And of course it is dedicated to me and not everything needs to be divided equally. Confiscation and preaching is the use of illegitimate tools because you are using power inappropriately. Of course, if you believe in a certain direction, you are allowed to preach in its favor. The question is whether this direction is really appropriate.
                I repeat again that this seems to me to be mere insistence. I see no point in discussing it.

              22. Because if so, then I didn't understand the desire to discuss the discrimination against Sephardim and the non-publication of women's articles. [And in my opinion, if the MIT takes the time to look more closely, it will be seen that the matter depends on Ashley Rebarbi and from whom it will be derived. Mm, that's how it seems to me].

              23. I deleted your request. I'm just debating whether to use inside information and reveal to my son that he also participates in chess and rating matters and that he should score points against you... 🙂
                In any case, I hope the continuation is more enjoyable and useful and good luck in everything.

              24. If he's into quick games (bullet for minions). I once tried to use a chess rating to estimate for myself the times of day when thinking is sharper, if there are any. I played morning, noon, evening, and night, then I downloaded all the data and tried to analyze it with all sorts of tools that I deal with. I got a weak indication that night is the most successful. I don't know if this is really relevant (maybe chess is different from thinking about an idea, and maybe quick chess only tests the efficiency of instinctive thinking), but it's an interesting curiosity.

  4. "I suppose we would agree that the statement that black people on average play basketball better than white people, or the statement that LeBron James plays (not on average) better basketball than me, a white person, are not racist statements. They are factual descriptions."

    Absolutely not true. That's a racist statement.
    Of all the possible differentiating parameters (and there are many), you chose a race-based parameter. This is a racist statement that stems from a racist perception. Even if it is true, it is still racist.

  5. And of course the most common racism is a parent's love for their own offspring.

  6. The column about Emmanuel is in some modern ultra-Orthodox online magazine. I read it there.

    1. It was a response column to someone who tried to explain the differences between Ashkenazi and Spanish culture in order to justify discrimination and also claimed that part of the Spanish mentality is whining. And you mentioned there that this is a judgmental characteristic (he tried to tease it out as a fact of my being a guard).

  7. I think racism manifests itself when it implies an advantage/disadvantage for one ethnic group over another.
    A distinction must be made between preference, which is indeed an individual's subjective feeling for his country, his people, his culture, his language, his home cuisine; and a sense of superiority that an individual holds in relation to another from another ethnic group.
    For example: I love the State of Israel and the people of Israel very much, because I was born into it. If I had been born in Zimbabwe or Finland, I would probably connect more with these peoples. However, as a member of the people of Israel, I do not see myself as superior or as having an inherent advantage over a member of another culture. I love the State of Israel and the people of Israel very much, but I do not think that the State of Israel is the best country in the world. Israel is the country to which I am most emotionally connected, simply because it is my homeland, but I am aware that in fact it is not the most successful and advanced country in the world and that there are countries that are probably better at it.
    Therefore, it is important to distinguish between personal preference based on affiliation and a sense of superiority based on affiliation. The latter is, in my opinion, an expression of racism.

    1. Thinking that your country is the best is racism? Strange. Whether it's true or not, there's no racism in it.

  8. Hey

    On one side it says:
    "Defining the concept of 'people of virtue' is a very difficult matter and, in my opinion, almost impossible."

    On the other hand, it says:
    "To my understanding, as I explained there, a special people means a people chosen by God and given a mission, and not a people with essential qualities different from other peoples and human beings."

    So I went to the dictionary and saw that one of the definitions of the word "definition" was:
    "Providing an explanation or interpretation of a term or concept"

    On the one hand, you said that it is not easy to define the concept of virtue, and even impossible.
    On the other hand, you defined/interpreted it easily, in one line, and quite correctly in my humble opinion.

    So it's almost impossible and yet you did it in one line?

    1. You don't need a long school day for this. At first I talked about the essential interpretation, and in my opinion there is no good definition for this and it is doubtful how much content it has at all. Then I presented my position that it is not about an essential virtue but about choosing for a task. Not very complicated, neither the definition nor the resolution of the contradiction.

      1. In order for me to understand you, please give two examples:
        Something that has an interpretation, but its "essential interpretation" (i.e., the definition) cannot be given.

        Something that has both an interpretation and an "essential interpretation" (definition).

        1. I'm not sure if you understood what the rabbi said.
          The Rabbi's intention is not that there are two types of definitions (essential and non-essential) and one is easier to give, but rather that in interpreting the specific term of segula there are two different directions of understanding at a basic level: an understanding that it is a fundamental difference or some kind of metaphysical charge, or alternatively that it is a purpose or goal. The Rabbi argued, as I understand it, that interpretations in the first direction are more difficult to define clearly, since they are inherently more abstract and abstract. In other words: the claim is not that every concept has two levels of definition, but rather that in interpreting the concept of segula there are two possible directions, and not two levels but two possibilities at the same "level" - except that one of them is more difficult to define clearly than the other.

          1. Thanks for the explanation, things are much clearer now.
            Regarding the essential definition – why not claim that it means that it is easier for the people of Israel to adhere to God?
            Overall, it's pretty clear, and that's the metaphysical charge.

            Second, if it's just a purpose/purpose, they probably stem from some other advantage.
            Like choosing who goes to the officer course based on certain merits, or choosing
            Who works as a pilot according to certain benefits.

            I mean, if they chose the people of Israel to lead, that also means they have a substantial advantage, doesn't it?

            1. You can claim anything. The question is whether it is true. In my opinion, no. There are differences between any two groups, of course. The essential question is whether the difference between the people of Israel and all the rest is different from the differences between any two peoples. Beyond that, God's choice can be completely arbitrary (what would you do if all the candidates for the officer course had the same abilities?) or depend on non-essential characteristics (but cultural and other, which can also be changed).

              1. I will add in the margins of the Rabbi's words that there was only no reason to assume that there was no difference, and that was enough. But I am amazed at the great men of Israel throughout so many generations who stuck to this issue, since the Torah explains exactly why the people of Israel were chosen and there is not a word there about uniqueness: "Because of the Lord's love for you and because you keep the oath that He swore to your fathers." Even according to the Rabbi, who believes that it is impossible to draw clear conclusions from the Bible due to the multitude of interpretations, I, the little one, do not see how it is possible to explain this differently without significant arguments (although the Sages did a beautiful midrash on these verses that the people of Israel are a humble people from the words "not from many of you," but I came to the plain meaning of the Bible).

  9. I don't really understand why the rabbi says that if it's factual then it's not racism.
    It's true that this is factual, but it still doesn't contradict the fact that the debate is in the realm of values.
    If we take the example of shoe size, for example, let's say that studies say that on average people with higher shoe sizes are stupider, this in any case will hardly cause anyone to discriminate against people with higher shoe sizes, and they will continue to look at them individually and not collectively, simply because people will not perceive it as a reason, but rather as some correlation that they cannot explain.
    On the other hand, in checking Arabs at the airport and being suspicious of them because statistics say they are more likely to commit terrorism, something else is implied here, and that is the assumption that the mere fact that they are Arabs is also a reason for them to be terrorists (because they are educated in such a culture, or for all sorts of theological reasons, because Ishmael lived by his sword, etc.).
    So overall, the argument of anti-racism advocates to racists is that just like there will be all sorts of things that you will agree are just correlations even if you can't explain them, and that in any case won't make you discriminate against them. So you have to assume that everything is not causal, and if you discriminate against Arabs, then that's a sign that you already assumed from the start that being Arab is a reason for him to be a terrorist, and in any case, the over-checking at the airport comes from ethical racism and not from a factual claim.

    1. You repeat what I wrote, that racism can indeed cause discrimination and value problems, but it is not a problem in itself.

  10. It seems like this has already been written before, but perhaps there is a point in putting it in my own words.

    I want to suggest that racism is not the factual claim that there is a difference between different populations, but the moral claim that this difference should be preserved.

    1. Probably both. The racist thinks that there is a factually essential difference between what he identifies as "races" (meaning both physical and spiritual differences) and therefore there is a moral obligation to create policies that distinguish or discriminate between the races.

      1. You attribute a failure to the racist. Because, as is well known, it is impossible to derive from the fact that there is a difference the claim that there should be a difference.

        Beyond that, the racists' factual claim is certainly true - there are differences between different races, we can only argue about what the differences are, what they stem from, and whether they can be eliminated.
        Therefore, the point of disagreement with them can only be over their ethical claim – that is, their claim that these differences should be preserved and not abolished.

        1. Phil, in my opinion, you are also wrong about the factual level behind the racist position. A good racist is not satisfied with the trivial claim that there are observable differences between races, but, as I have already written, these differences are also spiritual. In his opinion, his race is "better" than other races in character traits, religious and moral capacity, etc. Therefore, he can justify his normative position demanding different treatment of other races.

          1. It really doesn't matter whether it's a spiritual difference or not. The claim that there is a spiritual difference between races is still a claim of fact.

            The claims that discriminatory treatment should be derived from this spiritual difference, or that action should be taken to preserve these differences, are moral claims that are not derived from this fact. It is only on this moral plane that the dispute between racists and their opponents is resolved.

            1. It is clear that the claim regarding spiritual differences is a claim of fact. Who said otherwise? But this is where the dispute between the racist and his opponents begins. He sees spiritual difference as a necessary (even if not sufficient) condition for discrimination, and they do not. In other words, the dispute begins with the facts.

      1. It is usually not expressed explicitly, but if you want to generously interpret the racist position, this is the way to go, in my opinion.

        Specifically regarding the last two examples you mentioned in the column – gender roles and the people of Israel as a special people, the claim is clearly made.

        Opponents of Torah study for women claim that it is inappropriate to eliminate the differences between men and women, and like them, believers in the Am Segula thesis often also hold to the traditional position of Judaism against missions, and they oppose converting all Gentiles even if it were possible.

  11. "So what is racism anyway? Determining an attitude towards group X based on characteristic A, when characteristic A is irrelevant to the attitude in question."

    While I tend to disagree with the assertion that arbitrary discrimination is not usually covert profiling (when a person says that he is just discriminating because he doesn't feel like it, it is suspicious that he doesn't feel like detailing the basis for profiling), the decision to what extent to focus on a micro-characteristic is wrong in my opinion.

    Your argument is that they choose a characteristic that they believe is relevant to the relationship in question, so since they claim it is a relevant characteristic then it is not racism but a value lapse.
    But for every racist example, there is a second-order reason why it is not. Let's take your example: "Racism is when I don't let black people into the swimming pool, even though their skin color has nothing to do with the activity that takes place there." But if a pool owner claims that this scares away his audience, is that racism?

    Moreover, you can always argue that blacks have a relevant trait X (say, violent, and that hurts the activity) and then you will argue that it is not racism. It is just that parasitizing negative characteristics to a racial group for no reason will usually include enough general negative traits for something to have an effect given an interaction that is not completely sterile.

    And I wanted to add two more points for now:

    A. Nazism:
    The comparison between race theory and murder based on shoe size is demagogic. Good luck getting people to murder based on shoe size (although women in ancient China might have been willing…). But even today, if you prove with signs and wonders that the existence of a certain community will cause us all to die painfully and horribly, I'm pretty sure that in a broad survey there would be quite a few supporters of eliminating that community.
    To say that the problem is the murder and not the racial theory and ignore that the racial theory itself is a call to murder is ridiculous – the problem is not that they held an ideology but that they acted on it? Ideology without a call to action is a meaningless collection of data points.

    And the conclusion regarding racism is the same: to say that there is no problem with holding misconceptions but only acting on them disconnects the ideology from the call to action, when the perception itself often includes a call to action, is artificial.

    B. The Haredi public:
    In addition to the above, it is not clear to me why the approach of the ultra-Orthodox public can also be defended according to your method.
    In the Haredi community, attitudes change when appearance changes (Sefardim who look Ashkenazi) – which shows that the characteristic (skin color) is really irrelevant to attitudes because it is not all about the same concerns that you mentioned (for example, "the Lithuanian ethos and voting for the Agudat Israel party and no other, without television and Western culture, Hasidic and not Mizrahi songs") because these concerns are not supposed to disappear between siblings in the same family where one is darker and the other is lighter. More detailed in Ma'ain David's article:
    https://iyun.org.il/article/haredi-discrimination/white-privilege/

    1. As for the pool owner – this is definitely not racism. Maybe it's not appropriate to do this, but what's with that and racism?!
      I'm not talking about liars who attribute traits to groups just to justify discriminatory treatment. I'm talking about people who genuinely believe those traits are theirs (whether rightly or wrongly).

      As for the Nazis, I answered that in my own words. There is no fundamental difference between shoelessness and racism. You could argue that in practice racism leads more easily to discrimination and murder than shoelessness. I agree of course, and it is still not racism that is the crime, but murder.

      Regarding the Haredim, you state that visibility matters there. I really don't think so. In any case, if visibility is the determining factor, then clearly I have no defense for it, except if someone were to argue that visibility expresses essential qualities (there is a correlation, even if not causation).

      1. I will summarize the two points you responded to:

        1) I argued that not only can one lie and manipulate traits, but that racism automatically manipulates negative traits that are ultimately relevant to the relationship.

        It surprises me that you are clear about the issue of Am Segula, where you wrote, "I definitely think that the difficulty in arguing about it (again from experience) stems from built-in racism. This racism causes people to see and interpret the facts in the world in a selective and biased way" – but you are not willing to accept that regarding the other examples just because they are practical examples and not theoretical examples.
        I think that it is easier to see that this is a distorted view in advance through practical examples.

        2) I don't understand where in your words or response you referred to the fact that Nazism (and other racist concepts, say KKK) are not only an assertion about differences between races but also a call for active action that stems from them.
        My argument is that just as I see contributory guilt in incitement to murder, I also see contributory guilt in the Nazi concept. When it comes to calling for the murder of Spodik wearers, I will also argue that it is morally wrong and condemnable – and not just the murder itself.

        And we will just quote from your golden tongue:
        "…What we have seen so far has not dealt with the question of causal causation. There is no claim here that the instigator has no causal role in the result. On the contrary, it is reasonable to assume that he causally shares responsibility. Suppose Reuven incites a thousand times, there is certainly some chance that one of the instigators will commit the act. To clarify matters, think of a controlled experiment: taking a group of a thousand incited people and another control group with a thousand other people, I suppose that there is a higher chance that one in a thousand instigators will commit the act than one in a thousand people in a normal situation. In other words, it is difficult to deny that the instigator has some share in the causal responsibility for the result..." (column 43, more on incitement)

        Since you agree that there is moral significance to calling for murder and not just the murder itself (and murder is obviously more serious), I don't understand why Nazism is different in your eyes.
        (And from here I also conclude about racism: there is also a moral wrong in calling for discrimination, not just in action. And a racist perception is definitely a call to action)

        1. I don't know how to rewrite what I wrote in white Kiddush letters in the column itself and you claim you didn't see it. So I'll stop here.

  12. Even the thing you wrote that is closest to racism ("the smell of racism") is not racism at all. Without taste and without the smell of racism. It is simply arrogance (which I have no problem with if it is true. And I do believe it is so (except for the pride as follows). That is, people think that they are infinitely better than others (which apparently there is no problem with if it is really true. The only thing that feels bad about it is that arrogance belongs only to God and pride is an obscene quality). And again, it is arrogance based on nationality. But all arrogance is based on some background and who hates to see arrogance based on race or nationality than arrogance based on some other background? In short, the concept of racism is completely empty. Not almost empty. Completely empty. There is a problem with discrimination or arrogance. But racism is simply something that does not exist

    And I also believe in the words of the author of the Tanya about the significance of the actions of the Gentiles and their external and internal. This is evidence for us from the mouths of Kabbalists who see deep into a person's heart and know their intentions (which most of the time are not aware of at all). And experience also proves much of this (although in terms of experience, the majority of the Jewish people are also Gentiles today according to this. But the minority who are good in their internality are all Jews). In short, the absolute majority of people are egoists and all the good they do stems from the interest of the majority unconsciously (and in the moment of truth, the bad in them comes out and it turns out that it is neither their good nor their evil). There are a few true people (people of virtue) who do indeed act well because they are good, but these are special people. And they are all Jews.

    1. Emmanuel.
      Are the Righteous Among the Nations also intrinsically evil? And not necessarily in the halakhic definition. Righteous Among the Nations who saved Jews in the Holocaust, for example. Or even people who saved other people. From a foreign nation. Kitchen? Are they also intrinsically evil? /. And what about historical analogies of halakhic Righteous Among the Nations like Naaman, the commander of the army of Syria?

      Not that if you claim that it is, it is such a terrible claim. But if that is the case, a Gentile, deep down, has always been evil, evil from a moralistic point of view, and has no ability to change that. The practical consequence of this is that all Gentiles are exempt from any moral claim and moral obligation - they can never act differently. And therefore, perhaps defining them as evil is paradoxical. Because they have no ability to choose between good and evil - they are just like lions or predatory wolves.

      1. The halakhic concept of Righteous Among the Nations is actually very relevant here. In any case, your question is a very good one and I have pondered it a lot, but the author of the Tanya probably also knew such gentiles in his generation and despite that he said what he said. I too once had an Arab hitchhike innocently stop for me and drive me to an Arab bus driver who stopped for me at a bus stop even though I wasn't there and I ran to it even though he didn't have to and wanted to do me a favor (and later he swore like a madman) and said that those who saved Jews in the Holocaust were neighbors. There is a real question here of gratitude and not forcing kindness. But the truth still hasn't moved from its place, and this is also from my experience. I would not hesitate to bomb the village of an Arab who did good to my people if he didn't flee that village and that village, let's say, is hiding a murderer who murdered one of my people and is protecting him (and this is where the issue of the influence of the environment comes in, as follows)

        It's simply a matter of human nature. It's not that they are wicked, wicked people like Hitler. It's that humans are like animals (including most Jews today) - and that, by the way, is worse than wicked. Wicked people have a choice to repent. An animal doesn't even know that it's wrong (which is okay with animals, but not with humans who are like animals). But in truth, all humans have the potential to be human and good deeds do indeed show its existence, but it's still only a potential, and at the moment of truth, when it clashes with their ego - an ordinary person has no chance (not even free choice) to act differently from what the animal inside tells them. This is where the Kabbalah doctrine that I preach here morning and evening (and look a bit like a madman) comes in, which is related to correcting the ego and through which the potential is put into practice. In any case, there is a difference - in the level and resolution of the collective - between the Jewish collective and other peoples. And this is the story of internality and externality. The individual draws his inner self from the collective to which he belongs. The influence of the environment is enormous. Most of our behavior stems from the subconscious and is shaped by the society in which a person lives. In fact, the only free choice a person has (at the behavioral level. Not a specific act and perhaps even that) is in choosing the environment in which he is. Later, from it he will draw his desires, aspirations, thoughts and worldview (even if he is a philosopher). It is not that the Gentiles are a glitch in creation. This is a matter called in Kabbalah GO (Golgotha and Eyes) versus AHP (Ear, Nose, Mouth). It is a type of internality versus externality. Israel is the GO and the nations of the world are the AHP. The correction of the GO precedes the correction of the AHP. And the AHP draw their correction from the GO. This means that Israel is supposed to be a light to the nations and in the future they will show the nations the path of truth ( "For from Zion shall go forth Torah, etc.)
        And by the way, even in Israel there are those who are G.O.A. and those who are A.H.P.

        In short, what I'm telling you is that you need to look generally and also to the future (which interprets the past). You don't want to live under the mercy of such Gentiles. And if they belong to evil nations and don't want to leave them, you can't ignore that when you're fighting that collective. All their goodness will explode in your face and they will turn on you. That's not exactly eternal piety, is it?

        1. Corrections:

          "Anyway, your question"
          "Or a bus driver..." (and then drove like crazy).

          "And even more so"

          "In fact, man's only free choice (at the behavioral level. Not a specific act, and perhaps even that) is in choosing the environment in which he lives."

          "(Gollum and Eyes)"

          "Belonging to evil nations...when you fight one of the nations to which some Righteous Among the Nations of the World belongs."

          In addition, the usual Israeli approach to this issue is really infantile, emotional, and childish. I am really ashamed to see all the politicians who pour out their love to these Righteous Among the Nations. There is gratitude and there is flattery. It is not the same thing. We need to get used to not accepting favors from outsiders only when it is absolutely necessary and there is no other choice.

  13. I can't help but think of the story "Apartment for rent."
    In the story, each time a different animal comes and insults one of the tenants based on facts (the squirrel cracks nuts noisily, the cuckoo abandons her children, and so on). Only when they come to the pig does he choose not to insult based on facts but rather racism: "How can I, a white man, sit in the same room with a black cat? It doesn't suit me and it doesn't suit me." This time the author didn't write that the cat was insulted (because there's nothing to be offended about when there's no fact at the base), but rather all the neighbors together respond to the pig, "Get out of here, pig! It's not suiting us or beautiful either."
    In fact, the pig is an ethical racist because he doesn't want to sit with the black tenant just because she is one (perhaps psychologically it comes from fear of the other and the unknown, he thinks this is how he protects himself and his children).

  14. In the 24th of Shvat, 22nd of February

    The argument of 'racism' against the election of the people of Israel is fundamentally unfounded. After all, anyone from the world who is truly and sincerely prepared to accept the 313 commandments that Israel was obligated to follow is invited to join and become an inseparable part of the 'people of virtue,' about whom it is said, 'The noble ones of the nations were gathered with the God of Abraham.' And after all, the Messiah is a descendant of Tamar and Ruth, who said, 'Your people are my people, and your God is my God.'

    And not only that, even the enemies of Israel and its great haters and their descendants were accepted as righteous. Nebuzaradan and Nero Caesar, who destroyed the Temple and killed tens of thousands of Israelites, converted. After all, some of Sisera's sons taught Torah in Bnei Brak, and from them - Rabbi Akiva; some of Sennacherib's sons taught Torah in Jerusalem, and from them - Shemaiah and Avtalyon; and the sons of Haman taught the infants of the house of Rabban, and from them - Rabbi Shmuel bar Shilat (Sanhedrin 177, according to the version of Rabbi Aharon Hayman, author of 'Toldot Tannaim va Amrai'). And last but not least. From the descendants of Balak, who called Balaam to curse Israel, the dynasty of the House of David grew up until the Messiah.

    The powers of evil and hatred can be transformed into the powers of goodness and love.

    Best regards, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel

    1. The concept of 'virtue' can be interpreted as 'capable' of potential. Someone who was blessed with fathers like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and who was blessed to receive the Torah of God and the teachings of wise and righteous prophets and their disciples for dozens of generations - has an abundant preparation for high virtues. And as such, the demand on him to realize the abilities inherent in him is great.

      Prof. Benjamin Oppenheimer showed, based on an Ugaritic source, that 'segal' is a vassal, a representative of the king. This is consistent with the definition of the Torah further on in the statement, "And you shall be to me a vassal out of all the peoples. And you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation." The people of Israel have a unique calling, to be 'the priests of God' who bring the faith of God and its values to all of humanity.

      And Onkelos translated, "And you shall be to me a beloved people" - "a beloved people," and as Chazal explained, since every beloved person is created in His image - Israel is known for its special affection, "that sons may be called to the place." This special affection of a son for his father does not expire, as the law states that "in this way and that, sons are called," and for no reason will the father abandon any of his sons, but will do everything to bring him to complete correction, worthy of the son of the King of kings.

      Best regards, Aisha

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