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asked 8 years ago

Hello Rabbi Michi.
I came across a criticism about God playing dice and I couldn’t find an answer to it, and I’m confused.
On the surface, it’s clear to me that the critic is right (it’s simple logic what he’s saying).
Was the rabbi wrong in his words?
 
Quote from the review:

It seems the argument stage is the next paragraph,

Every evolutionary step that creates a non-living mutation leads to a complete break in the process, which interrupts the entire evolutionary chain. In the evolutionary process, we have no [mechanism] that ensures that [the species] will get back on track each time. If at any stage in history a surviving mutation does not occur, the entire process is definitively halted.

What Abraham is talking about is a model of evolution. In this model, almost every mutation creates a non-viable creature, and therefore interrupts the evolutionary lineage it might have led to. Only very rarely does a mutation succeed in creating a viable creature. Therefore,

This is a trajectory of events in which each process has zero chance of not going extinct, and requires the accumulation of all of them one after the other without a single failure in order to reach what is defined as “success.”

I am repeatedly shocked by the low level that apologists allow themselves. There are explicit mathematical models of evolution – why doesn’t Abraham, who has the background to understand them, confront them instead of poor caricatures? Of course, in these models, evolution doesn’t stop just because a destructive mutation occurred in a particular creature.

But even within his model, there is no such result. At the heart of the model is the assumption that mutations will almost always lead to extinction – and therefore, Abraham argues, the entire process will cease. Let’s build a simple model based on this assumption and see if this is indeed the result. But, unlike Abraham, let’s remember that evolution works on populations, not individuals.

Suppose that in generation 0 there is a population of size N0. Suppose that on average each individual produces No offspring. Suppose that there is a chance p that a particular offspring will have a lethal mutation, which will prevent it from producing offspring. If so, in the next generation there will be

N1=(1-p) No N0

Offspring. That is, the population will grow or shrink according not only to the chance of a lethal mutation but also to the average number of offspring. For a species that produces an average of two offspring, the population will shrink only if the chance of each offspring having a lethal mutation is greater than 50%! Needless to say, in nature most newborns are genetically healthy, and lack such a mutation. The conclusion that the abundance of destructive mutations will lead to the destruction of the entire process is therefore absurd. (By the way, most mutations are neutral, and destructive ones are rare, but why let the facts confuse us.)

This model is also extremely poor for understanding evolution, as it does not include its main component – natural selection. It is clear that the moment a mutation is created that increases the number of offspring, it will spread rapidly in the population. Therefore, even if these mutations are rare, they can build on each other. And as mentioned, a high incidence of destructive mutations, even if it existed, would not (necessarily) stop this process.

The important point is that what happens depends on the models, and on the values ​​of the parameters in the models. It is not possible to simply conclude that having a lot of destructive mutations will lead to the halting of evolution or the extinction of the population. To argue this seriously, one must show that this is the case in realistic models. Avraham does not even try to address the real models that biologists use*, and therefore his argument is not even worth a serious response. In real models, there are empirically-based percentages of empirically-based processes, and there is no halting of evolutionary processes there.

Avraham is, among other things, a respected physicist. He would not dare (or could) publish an article (or book) that discusses physical models in such an inaccurate and unserious way. But when it comes to apologetics, anything is allowed. Anything to justify his preconceived beliefs. He allows himself to ignore the real models, and place in their place a skeleton that does not even deserve the title of “scarecrow.”


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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago
This is nonsense. I explained in the book and in the articles that the laws of nature within which the process takes place are what ensure the formation of life. When the laws are given, then there is an explanation that I called “within the laws,” and this is what neo-Darwinists deal with. For an explanation inside and outside the laws, see my article here: https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%98-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%98%D7%AA %D7%99-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99-%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%D 7%9C%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%95%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94/ Even in the “realistic” models he talks about, these are models that assume certain parameter values, and there of course the process is possible (a fact. It happened. Why do we need models? There is reality).

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א' replied 8 years ago

Are you referring here to the question of who ensured that mutations multiplied and that the islands in the sea would be close together?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

You can also put it this way.

א' replied 8 years ago

Thank you very much.
But where does our intuition really come from that only a tiny number of systems of laws will create complex things? Maybe it's not that tiny, but let's say a quarter of all possible systems? How can we deduce from the systems we know every day, the laws of nature that express interactions between atoms? Maybe that's where most interactions will create things?

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

This is not intuition but mathematical fact. A typical set of rules will not create anything complex and certainly not something stable over time. This is what complexity (=entropy) means, and this is the second law of thermodynamics. Why are you more surprised when you see something complex than when you see something simple? Because something complex is created with a lower probability, and the more complex it is, the smaller the chance that it will be created by chance.

יעשיבע בוחער replied 8 years ago

I too have been exposed to this criticism. In my many sins, I do not delve into the subject to get a considered opinion on who is right, but it is worth knowing that the critic is not just an atheist but a political activist of a party (that does not pass the electoral threshold...) that is extremely anti-religious. So even if Rabbi Michi is known on the one hand as a very religious person and on the other hand as a very fair person, so that there is a certain concern that his conclusion is not one hundred percent objective, look at his critics, the concern that they are not objective is many times (and many times) greater. With apologies to the Rabbi (the response is addressed to the questioner)

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