Question regarding the text of the supplication for Monday and Thursday

I consulted with a friend of mine on this issue, and he drew my attention to the verse in Jeremiah 10:25, "Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not know you, and on the families that do not call on your name: for they have devoured Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have called him Nebuchadnezzar."
It seems that the Sephardic supplication was based on this verse. Could it be that the intention of the supplication is only for the Gentiles who "eat Jacob" and not for all Gentiles, wherever they may be?

The verse is worthy of mention. But the wording of Tahanun does not seem binding to me. If you wish, interpret it to include those nations, or omit it.

What's the problem? You will eradicate those nations that did not know you.

I happened to come across this conversation, just a nice person. Someone who went through the Holocaust doesn't understand the pointless and insensitive question at all, and where in his honor does he have the audacity to so easily let someone use a passage because he doesn't like it?

Someone who went through the Holocaust for six million doesn't understand this beautiful soul's question at all (slap him) and he supports the Holocaust for billions of peoples in the world. Truly a model of taste and sensitivity.

To the questioner

Rest assured. The vast majority of today's Gentiles are also mindless savages. They are like the cat that was trained to be a waiter and the moment it saw a mouse it dropped the tray and chased after it. In any case, there is an interest in eradicating those who do not know God. As it is written in the Book of Eli: "And the sons of Eli, the sons of Belial, did not know God." In the time of the Bible (and according to what I claim is still true today in the Itgaliya in the East and the Itkhasiya in the West), those who did not know God were those who "had no God" in our language. And in any case, they ate Jacob and his name was Nevehu. I do not pray in this way, but if I did, I would mean it from the bottom of my heart.

And Lyol

I don't understand why you care about a holocaust of billions of Gentiles in a world that didn't (and won't) care about the Holocaust of the Jews. Even today you see that no one in the world (except the evangelicals and Trump at their head. Rabbi Michi is amazing at demonstrating his ignorance with his kind words towards him), and especially the left-wing righteous people around the world, don't care about Iran's threats to destroy Israel (and perhaps secretly they hope for its success). Why should I care about them? So indeed, except for a few minor Righteous Among the Nations, I too pray for the eradication of all those godless Gentiles. Truly, the lesson from the Holocaust is not the Jewish manipulative self-righteousness of not hating foreigners (who hate us anyway). The so-called Jewish leftist, whiny conclusion that is approaching from the Holocaust. But the understanding that we are alone in the world and if we don't have anyone for us and never again (the rightist conclusion from the Holocaust).

Nobody really cares about anyone. In your terms, Jews don't even fear God. And what do I care about whether they care about me or not? If I were to deal with the question of whether to make an effort for someone, then apparently if they didn't make an effort for me I wouldn't make an effort for them. But would I care if they suffered or died? Why? I have no words.

Indeed, first of all, most Jews do not have the fear of God (it is something that must be learned. We are not born with it). But when we talk about the resolution of nations throughout history, only the people of Israel had the fear of God at some point in the past at least a few times (and perhaps it still does today in practice, but that does not matter as I will write). And the moment a person has the fear of God even once, he changes. Something about it remains with him forever (the fear of God is the sight of God. The knowledge of the supernatural reward and punishment that exists for good and evil. Karma if you will. Only it has a structure and content and not just a name). It is like a person blind from birth whose eyes were opened for ten minutes, saw the world, and then went back to his blindness. He no longer sees, but he is already fundamentally different from another blind person who has never seen anything in his life. He saw an external and new world. It is the same with us. And the Jews of the time have the ability to absorb something of this collective fear of God into themselves by choosing to be in connection with the people, meaning every Jew in essence who remains and chooses to remain a partner in the fate of the Jewish people. He then absorbs something of this collective awe, which constitutes a kind of potential awe for his own private awe. And in fact, whoever actually holds the collective awe and the form in which it is actually expressed is in the same awe that exists in individuals. The other peoples have never had the fear of God, and if they did, it was perhaps only in a few individuals.

And I'm not just talking about lack of concern, but about concern for aiding evil and not just about non-interference. This is the story with Iran today. The whole discussion about the nuclear agreements is a means for these nations to calm their righteous consciences (and not because they recognize that it is the truth and justice), but secretly in their hearts (probably unconsciously) they (especially the Europeans and the Democrats in the US) would actually be happy if the Jews disappeared from the world (these loud and opinionated people) and Iran would do them a favor by doing so. This is exactly what happened in the Holocaust. It's not just that the world was silent. Secretly in his heart he would actually be happy if Hitler had finished the job. It's not just that the Americans didn't bomb the extermination camps. Not that they owed us anything (they don't). It seems to me that secretly in their hearts they would be happy if the Jewish problem were solved in this way. And in any case, if the rest of the world's people are helping the Iranians today, even if only out of concern for their own interests and they don't care about us (and not necessarily out of a desire to harm us), I am still allowed to pray for their destruction if they are actually helping to destroy us (this is, by the way, what Asaf complains about in the Psalms). If we also don't care about them in this way, then for my part, they too should pray for the destruction of the people of Israel.

Note: When I talk about a Jew choosing to be part of the Jewish people sharing in their fate, I am referring to what is called in halakhic terms "meshmodim." These are converts, many of whom have caused much trouble for the Jewish people throughout history. Today, they are actually part of the democratic Reform Jewish public in the US in the name of postmodern leftist universalism, and also the very hard core of the left in Israel (people like Ofer Kassif perhaps. Not long ago, one of them passed away who was a real Israel hater). They talk about universalism and morality, but it is the morality of slaves. They just want to live well there on the meat pot and they are not really interested in the fate of the other "oppressed" of all kinds. All the talk about "democracy" and globalism is just manipulation (perhaps subconscious) in order not to take a part in the fate of the American nation on the one hand and on the other to win the comfortable material life that Americans bought for themselves with blood and sweat for nearly two hundred years before a Jew set foot in America. And they certainly do not want to take part in sharing the fate of the Jewish people, which is always on the verge of destruction. They simply do not want to be loyal to any people in order not to suffer, and on the other hand they want to enjoy the power of "equality" and some kind of "birthright" of elections. That the Americans won after a lot of American blood was shed (the War of Independence, World War II, etc.). Such an exploitative mentality.. In the end, the anger of the Americans will overcome them – and not the anti-Semites on the right specifically – first from the blacks and the Muslims and the Hispanics and later also from the mainstream. Everything will blow up in their faces just like this mentality blew up in the faces of the Jews of Germany. And I really understand the Americans on this issue.