Ratio website and similar ones
I’m interested in knowing what you think about the Ratio website and the claims made there. https://rationalbelief.org.il/mobile-home-page/
Personally, it reminds me of evangelical websites. For example, the video of preacher Bob Enyart raising doubts about dating methods. https://rationalbelief.org.il/בוב-אניארט-מעלה-ספקות-בנוגע-לתיארוך-ממ/
I didn’t see it as being too different from websites for those who repent, such as Ezra, except that it appeals more to supposedly rational and educated people. From my limited impressions, some of the articles are very problematic.
I’m curious to know what the rabbi thinks about these kinds of claims?
I don’t know the site in depth. You should be careful not to form a position just because the site has an agenda. Many sites have an agenda. You should examine the arguments for themselves. If there is a particular argument you want to discuss – please present it and we will talk.
I meant more the style of the site than a specific claim.
The site brings articles that it searches for in candles, by scientists (sometimes not even scientists), usually not in the relevant field, that go against an accepted theory while presenting one-sidedly without reference to the other claims.
There are fields where the site brings the most absurd conjectures and hypotheses (such as in articles concerning quantum physics) with almost no reference (or very little reference) to the counterclaims, sometimes even trying to create a false impression regarding the accepted perceptions. Sometimes without accuracy.
As in these articles:
https://rationalbelief.org.il/Prof.-Wedward-against-evolution/
https://rationalbelief.org.il/Prof.-Trop-against-evolution/
https://rationalbelief.org.il/Asour-Lahstastir-Ath-Evolution/
The site reminds me a lot of evangelical sites, I have also seen many of the claims there or on conversion sites.
I am interested in knowing what you think about this style.
I also suggest you look at Muslim conversion websites (there are quite a few in English), "Witnesses of God" and the like, and you will see that everyone copies from everyone else.
Indeed, this site pretty much makes innocent Jews feel like they do with other worldly religions.
Are you sure? I actually marked articles that seem interesting in biblical criticism. The fact that most of the defense of the Bible comes from the conservative-Christian side naturally follows from the fact that there will always be more scholars among 2.2 billion compared to 14 million Jews, most of whom deny its tradition.
Also regarding common topics in natural theology and philosophy, if Maimonides, R. Saadia Gaon, Obed Elvevot and others were influenced to a considerable extent by pagan-Greek philosophers and of course Muslims (not to mention the profound influence of Sufi Islam on figures like R. Abraham ben Maimonides), it would be presumptuous to think that similar things will not happen in our time (for some reason Kierkegaard is a Glatt because he was already trained long ago), and at least when the activity is conscious it also comes with a touch of self-criticism.
The site has a clear agenda. It does not pretend to provide opposing or objective information or even to present the matter in a complex way. That is how it should be treated.
Copenhagen Interpretation If I understand correctly, you are claiming that essentially all beliefs are equivalent to each other and the differences between religions are actually cultural and ideological differences?
I haven't really delved into the site, but it seems that it swims against the dominant heretical current in the Torah from heaven as it is, and therefore it is likely that it will invest in presenting the relevant arguments and evidence.
I am not claiming that all beliefs are equal, but rather the opposite - that there is truth, but that no religious community in the world has automatic ownership of it simply because there is no reason to think that there would be one, except for the special revelation to the people of Israel in the Torah. If figures like Al-Farabi and Ibn Sina, Muslims, or Thomas Aquinas, Christians, discuss the simplicity of God, I have no more reason to think a priori that they are right or wrong than I have a priori reason to think that the Rambam or the Barsalver are right or wrong, and it all depends on the determination of the arguments and accepting the truth from the one who said it.
This can be illustrated by the widespread belief in reincarnation, which did not exist in original Judaism but entered us through pagan influence (as Rabbi Saadia Gaon describes in Beliefs and Opinions). There are religions in the world that contain truth that is not found in the Jewish mainstream, because they deny reincarnation, and hence the commandment is to listen to them specifically in this matter, as Ezekiel rebukes, “As for those who have not done, as for those who have done, as for those who have done, as for those who have done” (Sanhedrin 33:2).
The last comment I made to David is mine, but I inadvertently entered it from a computer that was on another account.
Thanks to Yossi for the link to the review (on the ‘Ratio’ website) of Prof. Moshe Tropf’'s book ‘The Riddle of Existence’. The website presents different approaches to dealing with the theory of evolution. Some accept the theory in principle and explain the Torah verses and the teachings of the sages in accordance with it, and some reject the theory and try to refute it. This way, the reader can compare the approaches and choose what seems best to him.
Best regards, Sh”z Levinger
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