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Prayer for a miracle

ResponseCategory: Meta HalachaPrayer for a miracle
Jonathan asked 1 month ago

I have often heard the rabbi say that in principle there is a problem with praying about anything today because reality is deterministic (and of course he makes an exception because we do not have complete certainty). But why should we claim this? Quantum theory shows that the basis of our entire world is ontological randomness. So even if we think that the effect of quantum on macroscopic objects is tiny and therefore prayers are still meaningless – at most there is no philosophical reason to think that prayer does indeed affect reality, but on a halakhic level – it is permissible, because reality itself is not really fixed and deterministic but only behaves as such. Isn't that so?

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Michi Staff answered 1 month ago

Randomness is of no use to the matter. Divine intervention would still be a violation of the laws of nature, even if they are statistical. I have explained this many times.
But I already wrote that regarding the cancellation of the prayer, complete certainty is needed, and I don't have that even without quantum theory.

Jonathan replied 1 month ago

So why did the Sages in the blessings of S. allow praying for the fetus within 40 days? In your opinion, the fact that the sex of the fetus has not been determined does not mean that divine intervention at this stage does not constitute a violation of the laws.

Michi Staff replied 1 month ago

You broke into an open door. Search the site for a discussion of the issue here.

Jonathan replied 1 month ago

In general, what does it even mean to say that a law of nature is statistical? If it is statistical (ontologically) then it is not a law of nature.
A natural law is an absolute and permanent thing. Given A, then B will inevitably happen, if C happens then there is a violation of the laws. In contrast, if there is authentic randomness then this means that given A, both B and C can happen, and therefore if God caused C to happen, this is not a violation of the law because C can also happen within the framework of the law itself.

Jonathan replied 1 month ago

Bounces again.

Michi Staff replied 1 month ago

Not true. There can also be statistical laws. Nature is governed by a certain distribution. If the results deviate from it, it is a deviation from the laws of nature. Think of a fair die that God Almighty causes to constantly fall on a 6.

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