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Between the Zomet Institute and the Weizmann Institute (Column 557)

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Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

“You’ll send your son to the Weizmann Institute and I’ll send mine to the Shimshon Institute, and we’ll see who gets there first.”

(Salim and Raza about his beloved son Nesharke, in the Gashashim’s basketball skit.

With a great and pity-tinged hope to see that schlemazel serving honorably as a PIVOT.)

In column 121 I celebrated finding a marvelous song I had searched for many years. The song is about the squandering of the talents of people like Einstein, Spinoza, and Ahad Ha’am, who could have been magnificent synagogue sextons (shamashim): making kugel and slicing herring (during the Musaf prayer) and reciting the “Mi Sheberach” for those called to the Torah; instead, they wasted their time and abilities on trivialities like the theory of relativity, philosophy, and the like.

There I noted that hearing this raises the following question, which is a serious one:

The question that arises here is essentially what is more important: the Zomet Institute or the Weizmann Institute? Or, in the golden words of Salim and Raza to their son Nesharke: you send your son to the Zomet Institute and I’ll send mine to the Weizmann Institute and we’ll see who gets there first. Is it more important to develop the theory of relativity or an automatic chametz detector? Who is more faithful and contributes more to Judaism: Einstein or the synagogue sexton? What do you say about this? I certainly think these are questions worth pondering. There is something to these claims, except that it’s only a partial truth. But as noted, this is not the place for an overly heavy investigation; we’ll leave that for another time.

About half a year ago Yaakov demanded that I redeem the note, meaning to discuss the question I left open. What really is more important, the Weizmann Institute or the Zomet Institute? Einstein or the synagogue sexton? Einstein and physics, of course, serve here only as a parable. We could speak as well about a writer, poet, or artist in another field who creates masterpieces—and of course also about one who contributes in other areas of knowledge, technology, and science. In this column I will try to address that question, as a continuation of the earlier column.

Several levels of discussion

By way of preface, we can distinguish here among several levels of engagement with the sacred. There is no commandment to be a sexton, though it is a service of communal needs and has religious value. There is direct engagement in mitzvot, such as establishing a “rare-mitzvot society” (transporting groups of righteous people to fulfill the commandments of redeeming a firstborn donkey and, if not redeemed, breaking its neck). These are mitzvot for which we are under no obligation (neither an absolute obligation nor a conditional one). Alternatively, what about engaging in positive commandments (building the Temple, promoting the public’s donning of tefillin), which are already a halakhic duty? Or perhaps establishing and advancing Torah classes for the children of Israel. Is that preferable to developing relativity theory, quantum theory, psychology, evolution, and the like?

For now I will set these differences aside and ask more generally: from a religious perspective, what is truly preferable? I think that from a halakhic standpoint there is no question: all of these, at every level, take precedence. But there’s a sense that this does not exhaust the discussion, because from a broader vantage it is very hard to accept such a sweeping and total ruling. Something here doesn’t really “make sense.” In what follows I’ll raise a few reflections on the matter; I have no decisive and crushing argument for my intuition. I’ll be happy to read additional remarks and arguments in the comments, pro and con.

First formulation: What is more important for humanity?

Of course one can ask: what is more important for humanity? On that question, it would seem that an automatic chametz detector—or even establishing a charity organization—is surely less important to humanity than a significant scientific discovery or even an important work of art (though I assume some will dispute this). Why is that, really? A chametz detector prevents us from a prohibition, and many would say there is no benefit in that to society or to other people; therefore it’s a formal matter and thus less important. But I reject this outright. It is clear that the prohibition of chametz is significant; otherwise it would not have been prohibited to us. There is some spiritual benefit in guarding against it. If so, a chametz detector that prevents our violating chametz is a matter of real significance and does have benefit for the world and/or for ourselves.

One can argue that theoretical knowledge has value in itself. To my understanding, this is a very important value. But beyond the value of knowledge itself, there is here a direct or indirect contribution to healing and helping many people, and these are certainly enormous contributions to the world—somewhat more than slicing herring or even engaging in an actual mitzvah. Of course, one might claim that the rectification of “Netzach within Hod” also constitutes a contribution to the world, and that it is more important than contributions that seem greater to us. Perhaps; but I am very doubtful.

We should remember that regarding science too, there are approaches that locate its principal value in its contribution to humanity—namely, in the technology built upon it. But scientists and philosophers generally see research and the accumulation of knowledge as a value in itself. It is not merely a “means to a mitzvah” for the sake of advancing technology and practical benefit to humanity; rather, possessing knowledge and exercising thought are themselves a very important value. Needless to say, there are many sources in Maimonides pointing in this direction. In his view one gathers that knowledge and study are the true and essential value, while helping people (ethics and technology) are only the infrastructure enabling us to have a proper society and people in sound condition, so that all of us—or at least those of us suited to it—can learn and grow wise.

Second formulation: What is more important for Judaism?

Even if we grant the premise that Einstein’s contribution to humanity is more significant, one might say this is not a contribution to Judaism but to humanity. Therefore we can ask: which of the two contributes more to Judaism?

One can argue that the contribution of relativity theory is also to Judaism and not only to the world. Both because there is Jewish-religious value to knowing the world and the Creator (as noted, Maimonides emphasizes this in several places, should anyone need a source), and because the implications of relativity for healing and improving people’s condition are no less important than saving people through an act (rescuing from drowning) or through charity that improves a poor person’s life. In this sense, we are talking here about charity on an entirely different scale. On this view, this is literally the fulfillment of a mitzvah.

Even if it is a contribution to humanity and a universal value, that doesn’t mean the Torah is indifferent to it. It’s not included in halakhah, but it certainly constitutes a value according to the Torah as well. A Jew is first of all a human being (or at least ought to be), and only afterward also a Jew. The obligations incumbent upon all human beings also apply to him, beyond his particularistic obligations. This is the meaning of the Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a): “There is nothing that is forbidden to a descendant of Noah yet permitted to a Jew.” This, of course, greatly smooths the difference between the two formulations: the question of religious value and that of universal value now appear very similar, if not identical.

Still, even if we accept that universal values possess religious value, one may wonder whether there remains room to prefer the particularistic value over the universal—akin to the legal canon called lex specialis (preference for the specific). I will arrive at this later (in the discussion of the relation between the basic and the important).

Third formulation: What is more important to me?

Even if we conclude that being a gabbai (sexton) contributes more to Judaism than inventing relativity theory, there still remains the question of whether I, as a Jew, would prefer (on an axiological plane, not merely a utilitarian one) to be a gabbai rather than a physicist. Alternatively, as a parent or educator, would I send my child toward scientific research rather than toward a track in “Gabbai-hood: Introduction to Herring Slicing 1,” followed by “Advanced Kugel Slicing”?

Why indeed not? There is, of course, the fear of spiritual decline: quite a few people, when exposed to academic fields, find that their religious commitment and/or faith is impaired. It is easier to preserve religious commitment and faith within a bubble of simple, conservative life—the synagogue sexton, a rank-and-file herring slicer. By the same token one can speak of sanctification of the Name (Kiddush Hashem) in a Jew’s being an important scientist or significant creator (perhaps even more than the Kiddush Hashem of the certified herring-slicers). But these are side matters for the issue at hand. I am trying to examine the intrinsic value, not the collateral outcomes of these pursuits.

If we set those side considerations aside, it would seem that the essential value is engagement in mitzvot. The secular world and life of the mundane are only a platform for the essence of our lives, which lies in the religious sphere. Somehow we’ve learned that one doesn’t merit the World to Come for discovering relativity theory, but for a small or great mitzvah—yes. Beyond that, I have argued more than once that it seems implausible to me that the purpose of the creation of the world and humanity is culture and ethics. Those are only means to a proper society, but it is not plausible that they were the purpose of creation, because if a human society had not been created, we wouldn’t need it to be proper. It is therefore more plausible that there should be another purpose to creation, and it would appear that this is precisely the Torah and the mitzvot.

And yet, with all due respect to the education we received, my intuitive feeling is that this is untenable. Partly because knowledge as such has intrinsic value (not only as a means)—an important value both universal and Jewish—and partly because there is an important distinction, which many ignore, between the question of what is more fundamental or basic and the question of what is more important. This also returns us to the question I left open above, regarding the relation between universal and particularistic value. I will now elaborate.

Between the basic and the important

There is a built-in tension between the basic and the important. Not only do they not necessarily go together, but sometimes they are outright opposites. One source for this principle may be found in Nahmanides (Ramban) on Parashat Yitro, in his commentary on the commandment of Shabbat in the Ten Commandments. He writes there (Exodus 20:8):

“And it is also true that the attribute of ‘Remember’ alludes to a positive commandment, which issues from the attribute of love and is of the attribute of mercy, for one who fulfills his Master’s commandments is beloved to Him and his Master has mercy upon him; and the attribute of ‘Keep’ is in the negative commandments, and it is of the attribute of judgment and issues from the attribute of fear, for one who guards himself from doing that which is evil in the eyes of his Master fears Him. Therefore, positive commandments are greater than negative commandments, just as love is greater than fear, for one who fulfills and performs with his body and money the will of his Master is greater than one who merely guards himself from doing what is evil in His eyes; and thus they said that a positive commandment comes and overrides a negative commandment.”

That is, “Remember” (zachor) is a positive commandment and “Keep” (shamor) is a negative commandment. Zachor is love and shamor is fear. He writes that for this reason positive commandments are greater than negative commandments, and therefore a positive commandment overrides a negative one. But his next sentence is surprising:

“And because of this, the punishment for (violating) negative commandments is greater, and we carry out judgment in them—such as lashes and death—whereas we do not carry out judgment at all for (neglecting) positive commandments, except in cases of rebellion, as when someone says ‘I will not perform lulav and tzitzit; I will not make a sukkah,’ for the Sanhedrin would beat him until he accepted upon himself to perform (the mitzvah) or until his soul departed.”

He states that the punishment for a negative commandment is more severe than for neglecting a positive commandment—which is, of course, a simple fact. But he claims this is “because of this,” i.e., for the very reason just stated. Yet above he wrote that positive commandments are weightier than negatives; so why, for that very reason, is the punishment for a positive less severe?

The She’dei Chemed explains that with regard to fulfillment, a positive commandment is higher than a negative; but with regard to neglect, a negative is more severe than a positive. Transgressing a negative commandment is a graver offense than neglecting a positive; but fulfilling a positive commandment is more significant than refraining from violating a negative. Note that there is now nothing surprising in Ramban’s words; it is even to be expected, since we are dealing with two sides of the same coin. Because the positive is higher, the reward for its fulfillment is greater than the reward for refraining from a negative. But the flip side is that the punishment for neglecting a positive is lighter than the punishment for violating a negative. One can put it this way: the positive is more important, but the negative is more basic. Not violating a negative commandment is a basic requirement; therefore, one who fails to meet it deserves a more severe punishment. But fulfilling a positive is a higher demand; thus one who fulfills it merits greater reward, while one who fails to meet it is not such a serious offender. Fulfilling a positive is righteousness of a high order; precisely for that reason it is not a basic demand, and one who does not meet it is not gravely wicked. Violating a negative, however, is great wickedness; therefore refraining from it is not a great virtue but a basic requirement.

For the same reason there is a hierarchy within the negatives: refraining from very severe transgressions is less “significant” than refraining from lighter ones. So too regarding transgressions from which it is easy to abstain (they carry little cost) versus those from which it is hard to abstain. Conversely, with transgressions that people “trample underfoot” (which everyone belittles and violates), one could argue the punishment should be greater (see Rashi at the beginning of Parashat Ekev), but one could also say the punishment should be lighter (since it is hard to avoid them and perhaps their severity is not great).

Applying this to our case

We can apply this principle to our questions in several ways. First, even if the mitzvot are the purpose of the world, the basic infrastructure required of all inhabitants of the world is to be human beings and to create a proper, mundane society. Therefore, the mundane and the universal are more basic, even though Torah and mitzvot are higher. It is easier to say this about moral values vis-à-vis halakhic values, but scientific knowledge or artistic creativity do not seem like something more basic than mitzvot. Here, of course, we must distinguish between slicing herring and establishing charity organizations or Torah classes.

But from a Jewish perspective one can say that precisely the mitzvot are the basic platform, and scientific research and artistic creation are a second story built atop it. Engagement in them earns greater reward, but abstaining from them is not so grievous. This is not a basic demand of every person, which is why it is also not part of halakhah. On the other hand, it is clear that these values are relevant and shared by all humanity and not only by Jews, whereas halakhah is unique to Jews. Does that not indicate that science and art are more basic and therefore less important? I’m not sure, because the premise that the missions of non-Jews are less important is, in my view, not necessarily correct. They are different, but not necessarily less important or more basic. They have fewer missions, of course, but it does not follow that these are less important or more basic.

People say: “Your this-world is my next-world.” Caring for another’s material needs is a spiritual-religious value. Perhaps similarly one can say that the concern for establishing a proper, moral, and intellectual society has intrinsic value, not only as a means for repairing society and the human being. Even if ethics and science are the platform for a proper society that can engage in mitzvot, investing in and advancing the platform is itself a value, not merely a means.

So too regarding Torah study versus issuing halakhic rulings. At first glance, Torah study is a means intended to enable me to render halakhic decisions. There is some truth to this: learning in order to do; arranging the sugya in accordance with the halakhah; study that leads to action; and the like. But it is quite clear that study itself has value, not merely instrumental value (I expanded on this in column 479 and elsewhere, where I showed that Torah study is specifically non-instrumental study).


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  1. Thanks, interesting as always.
    Idea for a topic for the article: Halacha ruling using GPT chat.
    The new tool in question is based on machine learning. The tool has “learned” millions of texts (Wikipedia, newspapers, articles, etc.) and answers its questions in a very impressive way. Occasionally spouts nonsense, but most of the time it surprises in a good way.
    The tool is not trained on many sources in the Hebrew language, so its capabilities in Hebrew or in halachic knowledge are limited. But still, when I asked it a few questions on the laws of mixed marriage and Shabbat, it managed to answer some of the questions correctly.
    (I recommend the rabbi to try it himself)
    In any case, the question arises: what will happen when such a tool is trained on the entire Jewish bookcase? (The Shabbat Project and more). It is likely that it will be able to overcome any rabbinic scholar, even the healthiest.
    Many halachic questions arise: Is this tool acceptable for halachic rulings? Can we use it?
    And let's think of another question: Can we thereby save thousands of young men who study the halacha so that it will not be forgotten and settle for a smaller number of rabbinic scholars who know the code? The benefit to society would be enormous.

      1. I suggest the rabbi do an experiment. Let the chat read the answers on the site, the posts and the books from 'A Good Measure', 'God Plays Dice', the trilogy and the rabbi's other books.
        When the chat is ready, it will answer all the questions here on the site, the answers will be immediate, and it will save the rabbi a lot of effort and time.
        On second thought, maybe my suggestion is unnecessary? Maybe I'm already corresponding with the chat? Who knows?

        1. The chat has not yet gone through the icons and studied them. Otherwise you would have snatched a few here.
          Reminds me of the joke of R’ Shalom Shevdron who said in a conversation on behalf of the Chazon Ish that it is permissible to say your things in the name of a great person so that they will accept them from you (this is the ruling of the Maghrib. I have dealt with this in the past). Then he added: “And I will not tell you whether the Chazon Ish really said this”.

          1. And Douglas Adams said according to Wikiquote:
            “There is a theory that if anyone ever discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will immediately disappear and be replaced by something even stranger and more incomprehensible.
            There is another theory that all of this has already happened”

  2. Maimonides began the Mishneh Torah with the act of Genesis, but on the other hand he wrote that the act of Genesis should be studied in depth only after the beings Abaye and Rava (really asked your words about the second level of the Torah). I think that one can understand from this a double importance for studying science: both as a foundation (the way of the earth, cooking and cooking) but also as a kind of purpose. Something that can and should be understood in depth only after there is a Torah basis. Maybe it really was thanks to the Torah that you solved the Schrödinger equation for a rotating potential well :-).

    1. Do you see instrumental value in the Torah? Does studying the beings Abaye and Rava improve their philosophy? That is absurd in my opinion.

    2. Here is the quote from the words of the Rambam (end of the chapter of the book of the Rambam) about the beings of Abaye and Rava:
      “It is worth noting that they settle a person's mind first, and furthermore, they are the great good that the Holy One, blessed be He, has done for settling this world so that he may inherit the life of the world to come, and that it is possible for him to know everything, small and great, a man and a woman with a broad heart and a woman with a narrow heart”.
      Three points can be noted:
      – They settle a person's mind first – This is not necessarily an instrumental value, but rather the transformation of a person into a learner ‘first’, in such a way that he has a settled mind for studying the Talmud (which includes Pardes and the Book of Genesis according to the Rambam–s method).
      – They are the great good – for the settlement of this world and the inheritance of the life of the world. Apparently, a kind of Rambam”s approach that Halacha means the connection of wisdom and action (this can be seen at length in the introduction to the Mishnah).
      – It is possible that he will know everything – The Torah basis required for the continuation is not who knows what, the level of knowledge of the short-hearted.

      But as the money brings from the Mishnah – I wish the Rambam had not written this.
      True to this approach, in his second work – The Shulchan Behalak ”T – The author of the book omitted this part of the words of the Rambam, until the Rambam came and re-expounded the words of the Rambam (and snatched them away).

  3. It is said that Bialik said that two Einsteins could have been carved from the brain of the Rogzuber.
    And when the matter was brought before the Rogzuber, the Rogzuber said: , Thus says the legend:
    And from the fall of the – several Bialiks.
    I am amazed at the confusion of our Rabbi Michi at this fake poem from him.
    We have never heard of a Jew who aspired for his son to be a sun in the synagogue, or a gabbai.
    And the question asked is more general, and does not concern only Judaism at all –
    To be Heisenberg – the author of quantum theory and a Nazi – or to be Private Udi Murphy? (The decorated American soldier in the history of the American army).

    Would any American writer have written such a parody of Udi Murphy that he could have been Shockley?
    Yes.

    1. A disgraceful lack of understanding.
      The poem is truly wonderful. Because it completely fits the traditional Haredi way of thinking. Many there will indeed tell you that it is better. They don't even see value in Einstein regardless of the sun. Just worthless in their eyes.
      Obviously, no one aspires for their son to be a sun, but if you were to present an alternative to him, Einstein or a sun, the answer is clear. Incidentally, a caricature is always exaggerated, its purpose is to present a real point in an exaggerated way.

      1. I knew a Jew in New York who served as the minister of the Munkatsch Hasidim synagogue on 14th Avenue in Borough Park (in addition to his usual occupation of arranging the minyanim, etc., he also sold wine in the corner of the synagogue), who was the son of a well-known mathematics professor whom I also knew, in a synagogue in one of the neighborhoods of Queens …
        The conclusions are your own.
        Shaz”e

      2. Well, I also know the wonderful poet B.Michael – and his cartoons are not intended to
        present a real point. A real slap comes from a place of desire to correct – does not belong with him.
        And please answer the issue I presented – to be the Nazi Heisenberg – or a gabai in the synagogue –
        It is possible that even you will give up science in this case.

      3. In this context, I remember one of the Shabbat Kodesh supplements (the Torah supplement of the Yated Ne'eman newspaper) a few years ago. They conducted an interview with a Haredi scientist and in his remarks he and the author explained how from a Jewish perspective there is no difference between a person who works at his craft as a scientist and a person who works as a cleaner, etc.
        But who? A few lines later they quoted the 'great mathematician', Professor Rabbi Rips.
        And the reader is left wondering why in the quotes about other professionals the 'great cleaner' is not mentioned??

        1. It's just a matter of “in your opinion” (that mathematics is a different field from house cleaning).
          A fascinating women's evening with the pilot who became a top book for women and revealed the truth.

  4. Limor, in your messages I recognize trolling and I ask you not to continue with it. If you have an opinion, any opinion, write it clearly and reasonedly. All this confusion is useless. You can use cynicism (even desirable), but only as a way of expressing ideas and arguments. Not in their place.

  5. Hello Rabbi Michi,

    As mozer may have intended, there is a certain unfairness in presenting the question – Gabbay or Einstein (although the song is very cute in my opinion).
    The question is perhaps about Gabbay versus a hot dog vendor on a street corner, or about the Rogochober versus Einstein (without getting into the matter of “ten Einsteins from the Rogochober’s brain”).
    In my opinion, the presentation of the question should touch more on the middle than on the edges – for example: knowing half of the Shas by heart or being the owner of a successful high-tech company.
    Or perhaps even more precisely: knowing half of the Shas thoroughly or knowing all of Shakespeare’s books thoroughly. Running a large corporation or waging a struggle to change the system of government is inappropriate (by the way..).
    I wrote “perhaps more precisely” Because I think you are deliberately trying to emphasize the value of learning in the sacred realm versus the practical world in the mundane realm, with a few steps skipped.

    Anyway, I think that by presenting the question in this way, I can perhaps answer the question according to my intuition. I think that it is possible to distinguish between the general and the particular. That is, it is true that in general there should be doctors, there should be Einsteins and there should also be ”J. Agnonim (sorry, but I just love him), but personally, when I come and decide which way and where I want to be, whether in the ”basic” or “important” place (As you defined it), I choose the important, and I prefer that others choose the ”basic”, only if there is no choice and there are no people who choose the ”basic”, I will go and send my children to the ”basic”.

    By the way, “basic” can also mean physics studies, as long as they are done from within the world of holiness itself (as the Maimonides said and as he did).

    I would appreciate your response.

    1. I will correct the end of my words:
      “By the way, “important” can also be the study of physics, to the extent that they are done from within the world of holiness itself (as the Maimonides said”that you mentioned and as he did)”

    2. Not true. You miss the point. The question is exactly Shemesh versus Einstein. If we accept the assumption that the sacred has a value that is fundamentally different from the profane, then Shemesh is a witness against Einstein. The serious question is precisely this. Precisely when you demand a comparison of levels, you assume that there is no fundamental difference between the sacred and the profane, or between the values of the Torah and the delusions of humans (assuming that beyond the Torah there is no meaning to things. That is the discussion).

  6. According to Kabbalah, the purpose of creation is to reveal the glory of God. This is a bit complicated. On the one hand, it is not for himself but for the creatures because he does not need it. It is a benefit to the creatures (that the glory of God is revealed to them) and the nature of goodness to do good (as if God has no choice in this). The discovery of the theory of relativity and any understanding of the nature of reality and the wonders of creation is a kind of revelation of the glory of God (which is revealed to those who understand the theory of relativity. Perhaps we should call it a revelation of the glory of God). That is why Einstein is better than an average Kegel cutter. But it really has nothing to do with the profession. The vast majority of physicists deal with pizzazz that has very little meaning and most of them are people who lack inspiration and imagination. My brother is a doctoral student in high energies at the Weizmann Institute and he tells me that this field is dead today and everyone is dealing with pointless calculations. Similarly in mathematics (only there it is in proofs instead of calculations) it is better to be a master cobbler at his craft than a mediocre physicist. What is taught is excellence and inspiration (if possible) that will lead to the revelation of the glory of God in the world. There is also the revelation of God in the sacred realms that are relevant to them. In other words, anything that brings new light to the world

    1. Obviously. If your brother is a PhD student, then you are fully qualified to state categorically that the Suns engage in more intellectual and inspired activity than physicists. Besides, the discussion was not about physicists but about Einstein. Reading comprehension is also one of the important skills. I know, because my brother is a PhD student in reading comprehension at the Shimshon Institute.

      1. First of all, I myself have a background in physics and I have the ability to appreciate the work of a physicist. It's just that I spoke on behalf of my brother, who is really into it today, while I have been disconnected from this world for several years (because of the same disappointment). It has nothing to do with intellectual activity, but with creativity and productivity. (which are also something mental).

        In addition, I did talk about Einstein in front of the gabbaim and everything else was a side note. And because of your brother and the Shimshon Institute, it turns out that reading comprehension is indeed one of the important skills for you too.

    2. In my opinion, at the end of his remarks, B mentioned a point that should be relevant to the discussion. What is the area in which you can invest all your strength and not do it at ’half strength’.
      This should not be the only parameter, but there is some truth in the statement - it is better to have an area in which 100% of your strength will be directed to benefit, than an area in which only part of your strength will be beneficial in the end, without necessarily depending on the question of which is better in itself.
      Simply put, what I am trying to say is that Einstein is better than half a sun in the synagogue, and a sun is better than half an Einstein, and the whole question begins in my opinion only by putting a full Einstein against a full sun.
      I am aware of the fact that there are those who would say that even half a sun is better than Einstein, but in my opinion the worst thing is that the person (or even half of him) will be wasted on nothing.

  7. Rabbi Mikhi's words regarding trolling have not changed.
    It's a shame she/he doesn't take some of her own advice:
    “Without pretense, masks, flattery, and speaking in a foreign language” –

  8. A question to the point, what do I say to my son, when he asks which path to choose.

    I tell him this:

    My son, my son, the light of my eyes,
    It doesn't matter at all which path you choose,
    What matters is the devotion to your path.

    My son, my son, my beloved,
    Your true and only choice is the path of truth. All other choices will lead you to it anyway.

    My son, my son, you have truly shared a God from above,
    What is the essence of your hesitation? Because what is standing in front of your eyes? Is the degree of impact on humanity, what would the laymen say? What is the reason that each of the two or three or more options – manages to exist? What is the result you are striving for? Do you notice that you have a fear? What is the name of the fear? What is the root of this fear? That you will make a mistake on the path? That you will not choose the right one? What is the essence of the dispute within you? What does it represent? How can the two options before you be reframed, redefined, in order to free yourself from the old reasons and serve you in a new, unified mental pattern in terms of both the cause and the effect? Is the cause obligated to the effect? Is the effect obligated to the cause? Is the cause the result of something completely different in you?

    My son, my son, my son,
    your question, what to choose, is in itself raw material for the work of virtue. For devotion. For thinking. For understanding. For trust in Hashem.

    In the process of internal examination, you will be able to discover within yourself the fear, the fabricated internal doubts, observe them, and increase your faith, and strengthen your connection with Hashem.

    And my son, how will you know what the answer is?

    You will know when you no longer have a question.
    All the questions in the world,
    are essentially one.
    To bring you closer to the truth, through the knowledge of doubts, refinement and closeness to the blessed One who is the only one who is obligated to release every broken cause-effect relationship. He is He and only He, and not my power nor the power of my hand, doer, doer and doer.
    The more you are purified from within,
    the work of your hands has established it,
    and this is the purpose. For the sake of discussion with Him.
    And therefore,
    processual thinking, the study of internal causality, frees you from the straits in which you are captive to false internal cause-effect relationships. God makes a thorn in the flesh and a healer for Israel. God shepherds you.

    God protects you, my son,
    and all of Israel.

    Be strong and courageous on your way on the very narrow bridge,
    your faith is great, believe in you that you believe in Him. That will lead you when you understand. Understand.
    Understanding. Thinking. Internal contemplation. And He gives you the strength to observe, think and let go of cause-effect relationships that do not belong.
    Every question is meant to be answered,
    from true fear of God.
    For the joy of life and joy in the heart.

  9. What are you angry about? What does the history of man matter to a discussion about, choice?
    What to choose, coffee or tea?? What does it matter, the main thing is that you bless. And try to understand why, why you ask.

    And you, who writes, what do you know about the depths of his heart? Do you think that people act without permission? Do you believe that something is happening here that is against the will of the Blessed One? What do you have? Why are you so terrified?
    What are you afraid of? What do you think will happen?

    Do you really think that people are so foolish that they can be swayed against the work of devotion??
    And if you think that there are such foolish people, then let them go through this until they receive a clear mind.

    Everything is really fine.
    Everything is really fine.
    It's all for the sake of heaven.
    And you too.

    Be strong against your concerns about the unfortunate foolish people,
    They too have real private supervision.

    Additionally, in your writing, you can incorporate both humor and cynicism,
    in order, truly, to free yourself from the fabricated terror that has gripped you.
    It will pass when you go inside and ask, what is the truth? What is really going on here?
    Who is it that has done and will do? Why do I experience this way and not otherwise? What do I know about the accounts of heaven? Who am I? Why am I panicking? What is the reason that God cares? This is fiction, this is a story, all of it,
    from which the rotten pillars of the foundation must be untied.

    1. Hello Liba. Is there any book or place where you can listen or read and delve deeper into the approach you describe?

  10. And don't forget, at every moment of awareness, to ask: What do I want? Why? What do I imagine I lack? Why would I sin against the cause and blame reality for wanting things from it? What is my responsibility here? Why is it difficult for me? What attitude do I hold? Why me? What do I care about myself and what they will think? What is the main thing here? Where am I going? Where did I come from? Why am I carrying a burden of nonsense????? Do I only want the burden of the Kingdom of Heaven? Do I lack money? Think, think, what do you want to receive from reality? For what? Whom do you serve? Whom and what will this money serve? What do you want???

    This is called the method of internal excavations in myself, in my evil inclination,
    in its magnificent ship within me,
    in the search for the truth, drilling holes,
    the truth fills everything with Torah.

    Purification is a struggle.

    If you don't reach it, don't believe in it anyway

    It is a privilege.

    And one should not despair of despair.
    Despair is also raw material for investigation.
    The generallll Blessed are you, Israel
    What a people, Israel
    Alive and well.

  11. I am indeed debating. You already know my sensitivity to censorship. But I am definitely close to activating it. If this continues I will delete everything back.
    As for the popularity of the site, such trolls only harm it and disrupt the discussions. I guess you are also cynical here. 🙂

  12. A. Why not say that our goal is to create a proper society, to develop a culture of morality and science? You wrote that it is unlikely that this is the purpose of creation, but this is apparently unrelated. The purpose of God's creation does not have to be compatible with our purpose in the world.
    B. Why would there be value in theoretical knowledge in itself? This sounds unlikely at all. It is strange to think of a person who possesses knowledge of something (for example, who knows the second law of thermodynamics) as more valuable than someone who does not know…

    1. A. The accepted tradition is that God told us that our purpose is different. Apparently it coincides with His own purpose.
      B. The pursuit of knowledge is an integral part of the value of this. But values are difficult to reason about. One could also ask what is wrong with murder, or simply wasting time.

      1. Wow, the topic in the post is fascinating. I wonder what the Rabbi sees as value in knowledge in itself, does art have value, but does painting also have value? Or is it just an artistic painter? Someone who has skill in something (a shoemaker for 50 years) is also more valuable? Or is it only knowledge that has value?

        1. Art has value. Skill also has a certain value. I don't know how to draw a map with unambiguous criteria. The expression "more valuable" is not used in its conventional meaning by you.

          1. Wow. That's really strange to me. Seeing a skill as valuable regardless of its actual use?
            I don't see why engaging in morality and science would be valuable in itself. But as I said, it's intuition so it's probably not worth explaining.

  13. Admittedly: I haven't read everything yet.
    I read the beginning, hope to read later
    But, I can't help but say that it sounds to me like asking which is better, shakshuka or giflette fish
    The answer would be that it's a matter of personal taste, knowledge, availability of ingredients, and ability to prepare.
    But apparently I haven't gotten to the bottom of the question yet
    Maybe after reading I'll understand more

    1. Maybe you'll really understand more. In the future, I suggest to the so-called "Wait a while, read, and then form an opinion." What's burning?

  14. There is a beautiful story told by Rabbi Aharon Lichtenstein that gives an interesting perspective on the matter of Torah and Derech Eretz

    I quote “Many years ago, the wife of my teacher and rabbi, the head of the yeshiva, Rabbi R’ Yitzhak Hutner, the late, and I traveled to Bnei Brak to comfort him during his mourning period. When I came to him, I found him sitting alone. We talked privately, and it was an open and honest heart-to-heart conversation. Rabbi Hutner told me that one of the scholars who came to comfort him tried to convince him and explain to him how positive the death was, since his wife is now in the world of truth, a world that is all good, and such useless things. Needless to say, these things are not at all appropriate. I remember that when Rabbi Hutner told me the things, he raised his voice and read over that scholar the severe words of the midrash [Leviticus Rabbah, Part 1]: Every scholar who does not have a good conscience is one of them, and Rabbi Hutner added in his thunderous voice, "Did you hear?" Every scholar who has no knowledge, give your opinion. We are not talking here about an ignorant and ignorant person, but rather about a learned scholar who has filled his belly with knowledge and is knowledgeable in the ends and paths of the earth. However, if he does not have knowledge that can guide and instruct him so that he is involved in knowledge with people and practices a good and virtuous way of life among them, and if I had not heard these piercing words with my own ears from my teachers and rabbis, I would be afraid to say them. My opinion seems to be that the knowledge that Rabbi Hutner was referring to is a combination of common sense, the common sense of the "householder" [which some of the scholars' students tend to disparage], with a deep understanding of the situation. A learned scholar who has knowledge tries to understand both the person and his place and status. To this end, a deep psychological understanding is required, along with an understanding and recognition of the developmental and existential reality in which the questioner finds himself. I am extremely doubtful whether it is possible to take into account the Torah opinion of a rabbi and scholar, no matter how great, who lacks the honesty and sincerity to say, "I do not know." From the book "Asheri Adam Oz Lu Bech" by Rabbi Aharon Lichtenstein, zt”l [A beautiful book, truly strengthening in spirit]

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