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Animal Farm: A Coalition of Horror against a Hysterical Opposition (Column 532)

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

This time I’m hitting you hard. Because of its length, I first thought to split this column in two, but in the end I decided that wouldn’t do justice to the argument, since presenting the full picture matters here. So here it is before you, my second manifesto (the first appeared in column 500). And just as I did in the first, so I do now: I shoot evenly at both sides of the dispute. Before you fire off an angry talkback about my “leftism” (or my “rightism”), I highly recommend reading to the end, despite the length, to see the whole picture. May we have success.

“Out of the storm”

In the land of the dwarfs there’s a noisy commotion, armies don uniforms and go off to war. After the establishment of the current coalition of horrors, on the most recent Thursday yet another nail was driven into the apocalypse unfolding before my astonished eyes: a new-old government was formed. No wonder criticism is swelling and raging, with apocalyptic prophecies about the destruction of democracy and the state being proclaimed far and wide. And this morning (Thursday) that only intensifies in light of the High Court of Justice hearing on the appointment of Deri and the (non-personal) “Deri Law.”

At the outset I’ll note that I too think the government that was formed (which in my view is staffed by quite a few intelligent and capable people—more so, in my estimation, than other alternatives currently available) represents a moral low, disgraceful cynicism, and an insult to intelligence of a sort we haven’t seen here in a long time (and there is indeed plenty to compare it to in the past). At the same time I think much of the criticism of it is unprincipled, merely incendiary, and focused on irrelevant matters (much ado about very little). So I want to give a survey—balanced, but lashing out without favors to either side—of the coalitionary horror on the one hand and the oppositional hysteria on the other.

I will also preface what I’ll return to at the end. In my opinion, the disputed issues are relatively marginal. These disputes fuel themselves, and the more one side becomes extreme and unprincipled, the other side responds even less principled, which in turn fans the flames more and more—thus every mouse becomes an elephant. Liberal leftists persecute the conservative right in a very illiberal manner, and it’s no wonder the latter responds with absurd counter-measures. The reverse happens as well. Cool, balanced thinking can show us how high we’ve climbed up our trees and how relatively marginal our real disagreements are—maybe helping both the hysterics and the horrors climb back down.

The background to this column is a series of WhatsApp experiments I ran with a good friend who is very liberal and a clearly active man of the left. To our surprise, we reached very broad agreements about what is proper and improper, and even more so about what is acceptable and unacceptable. It’s important to understand that parts of my positions that he does not deem “proper” can still, after our discussion, become “acceptable” in his eyes—and that too is something. At least he can live with such decisions when they’re made by a majority (which cannot be said for some decisions being made now). I stress: I’m not speaking about style but about substance. I’m not speaking about invective and the style of discourse but about its contents. If we focus on substance and think about it coolly and logically rather than brawling, we’ll discover distances shrink drastically.

Again and again I reach the conclusion that similar experiments would greatly benefit our public discourse, though the chance of that is near zero (one of the main aims of this modest site). My assumption is that people of common sense will reach conclusions not so far from each other if they are willing to listen with an open heart. More broadly, I’ve written more than once that in philosophy and ethics there are almost no polar disagreements; I think the same holds in ideology and politics. The noise and commotion result from the absence of dialogue and an attachment to slogans and placards. Given our current state (with all of us up trees), the chance is sadly near zero, but it’s not upon me to finish the work, nor am I free to desist from it.

On Right and Left

This government is anything but a national right—neither “to the full” nor “to the empty.” It contains quite a few left-leaning features, and central components that are anything but national. For example, here you’ll find a clear presentation of Degel HaTorah’s principled refusal to sit on the security cabinet, on the grounds that they are not citizens of the State of Israel but of the Land of Israel and of the Almighty (behold the so-called “national camp”). True, there are right-wing elements in the government (as in the previous one), but I doubt how far their agendas will be realized in practice. We will quickly discover there is a reality here, not only parties and slogans—and perhaps that’s a good thing. So the statement that what has actually been formed is a kind of populist left government is no less accurate than calling it a fully right-wing government.

From this you can see that criticisms of this government aren’t necessarily coming from the left. Not everyone who opposes Bibi or the Haredim is left, despite what those parties tirelessly try to sell us. It’s more accurate to describe the struggle as a war between horror and hysterical opponents. Not promising for either side. Horror is undesirable, but irrational hysteria is not a recommended way to confront it. I, for one, am troubled precisely by the leftish features in the new coalition—those that advocate centralizing various aspects of our lives, denying freedoms (mainly of Haredim and those needing religious services), granting unreasonable support to parasitic, non-productive populations not in order to lift them out of their situation but to entrench it. I’m troubled by populist (and left-ish) promises with no economic or other feasibility (I mean the promises themselves; in many cases they won’t be realized), by control over our way of life, marriage and prayer rites, and by the threat all this poses to society and to the public purse now and in the future (since sadly some promises will indeed be carried out). In short, my critique of the government comes mainly from the right and less from the left. So spare me the accusations of leftism (which, even if true, are slogans, not arguments).

The hysteria

Before my critiques of the coalition presented below, I must preface: most of the criticisms being voiced are hysterical, baseless, and unfounded. Contrary to the cries of doom, I’m fairly sure Bibi’s appointment as prime minister will not change much regarding his trials. Nor do I see a great chance of some apocalypse befalling civil rights and democracy. I think almost no one, from any side, truly wants such an outcome. Racism likely won’t reign here either (the proportion of racists in the new government is quite low, though it exists). Oh, and fear not: the general education system will not be affected or changed in any way (not for the better either), except for the Haredi system, which will deepen its failures with over-funding. You know what? Even our failing judicial system will not collapse; actually, it might even strengthen and improve in several aspects in which it has struggled to date (the guiding lines presented yesterday by the new Justice Minister Yariv Levin are mostly reasonable and acceptable; the package as a whole is less so). There are even aspects of the new government’s policy that might give reason for hope, like governance and security. But I don’t expect substantial improvement there under the new rule either (let me remind you: the May 2021 riots occurred under Bibi, Bennett, and Smotrich). Time will tell. All this greatly troubles the opposition, but it’s not what troubles me.

There are some aspects, admittedly quite minor, in which the declarations (if realized) would actually correct past wrongs—and there there’s even a chance it will happen (because it really should). They’ll permit the use of public facilities for gender-separate events; more gender-separate beaches will open; perhaps some improvements will come in the legal system and in its relations to the government and Knesset (following the aforementioned press conference by Yariv Levin, it appears they’re serious—see caveat in column 517)[1]; they’ll open discussion of conversion therapy, of trans and queer phenomena, and lower, somewhat, the LGBTQ and progressive tyranny that sets the terms of public discourse on these topics, and more.

None of this stops critics from lumping these together with the more problematic steps expected. In their eyes everything is horror; the hoofbeats of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are already sounding. So why do I too view this coalition as horrifying? Because despite the critics’ hysteria, there are indeed a few serious problems (as they say: the fact you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you). I must say their essence is conduct rather than outcomes. I don’t foresee harsh, irreversible outcomes to most of this government’s policies; but its conduct, its agenda (most of which won’t be realized), and of course its staffing are the main problem. Beyond that, some harmful results are expected from what will be implemented, as I’ll detail now.

What, then, is horrifying here

First of all, the very appointment of such a crew—an astonishing blend of the corrupt, benighted and primitive, petty and vindictive—is a primary harm, even if it yields no concrete outcome. Consider changing Basic Laws without a moment’s thought and without staff work, just to seat a twice-convicted criminal as a minister, and just to split portfolios, ministries, and powers without logic and without any substantive review (likely with significant administrative downsides)—that’s problematic in itself, not only in its results. Someone convicted of tax crimes will be the finance minister who prosecutes us for tax offenses and demands that we obey the laws—especially the tax laws. And I haven’t even mentioned the inciting, corrupt prime minister we’ve received again.

The scandalous way laws have been passed for conjunctural needs has already eroded the rule of law for years, as governments play with the legal system at will and according to their needs, changing it without thought, without staff work, and without regard for the state’s real needs. I’ve written more than once that one of our regime’s foundational problems is that in Israel there are only two branches of government: the judiciary and the executive. Because Israel lacks a Knesset (in the real sense), we have no legislative branch and no independent sovereign (see, for example, column 300), and thus the government does as it pleases with us and with the Knesset, without any check or protection from the Knesset (and soon with less oversight from the courts; it seems some yearn for us to be left with a single ruling branch). The main problem in all this is not the outcomes but the conduct itself—though in the long run there will also be problematic effects on the rule of law and public trust in it.

It’s hard to see how one can take seriously laws enacted so scandalously. I find it hard to believe citizens won’t draw the obvious conclusions and try as much as possible to circumvent the laws, beyond what already happened. For instance, to evade taxes, or to avoid military service. If law-makers are above the law, and if laws are made with no connection to the state’s or the public’s interest but only to personal (not even sectoral) interests, I see no value or logic in expecting any citizen to obey them. I don’t see why taxpayers, especially large business owners, would continue throwing large sums into the public coffers when it’s clear that much of the money is used mainly for harmful, corrupt aims of parasitic, self-interested groups that contribute almost nothing to the coffers they plunder—to swallow their money. If I were a tycoon, I suppose I would do all I could to avoid it (yes, many try even now, but I expect much more. Not all of them are wicked. I personally know some righteous people who pay taxes and don’t try to evade them out of civic commitment). Similarly, I don’t see why youth would be motivated to enlist when there is a privileged group receiving a sweeping, utterly illogical exemption from service, and all this with ever more generous, indiscriminate funding (and I am indeed in favor of a reasonable quota of exemptions; see column 34). So even if in the short term nothing dramatic happens, if these processes continue, I do expect long-term consequences.

Beyond the looming budget hole from funneling billions to baseless, irrational purposes, it’s hard to see moral or economic sense in groups contributing almost nothing to GDP taking over the coffers and emptying them for their needs. Yes, it’s perfectly legal—but it’s utterly illogical and unethical. We can’t ignore data on the Haredim’s negligible contribution to GDP (which, in my impression, is borne mainly by secular Israelis and, among them, by leftists beyond their share of the general population). Think of the appalling Shas videos about the cost of living that make Der Stürmer pale with envy (I highly recommend watching, for example, this one), remembering that it’s produced and circulated by a party whose entire mission is to entrench the poverty and backwardness of its voters and of the population at large. They create poverty and backwardness and then “care” for the weak and “invisible” in a way that ensures they will always remain so (to fulfill the verse “the poor shall never cease from among the land.” Restoring the crown to its former glory, did I mention?). They repeatedly push transfer payments that will never give any citizen fishing rods—heaven forbid—but only fish, at the expense of those being fished.

Note that the vile video above speaks of pet ownership as a typical secular-antisemitic trait—and then you immediately grasp how the counter-steps arrive: there’s no sweeter revenge on antisemites than imposing an exorbitant, unrealistic levy on pet ownership (see here). Someone must fund the increased yeshiva stipends, right? Again, this too of course won’t happen (likely just trolling—see here for Shay Niv’s comments), just like most coalition agreements, because, thank God, there’s also reality on the field of our battered pitch. But the very discourse and conduct are a moral horror, vindictive meanness, and unprecedented intellectual lowness.

These delusional groups freely label various measures as antisemitic and then launch a total war against them. Thus the tax on disposables and sugary drinks became red rags before the Haredi bull—veritable 17th-century decrees in our day. One can debate whether the state’s role is to paternalistically impose health through additional taxes or otherwise (opinions differ worldwide), but for the Haredim such measures are inherently illegitimate, seen as distilled antisemitism. Hence their cancellation is a Jewish day of victory. For some reason the plastic bag law and bottle deposit law passed quietly for them, though based on a very similar rationale. Oh, I forgot—those weren’t imposed by Lieberman (the “new Hitler,” in Haredi argot which, as is known, tends toward understatement and reasonableness). It’s a crazy world, and it turns out many bubble-dwellers buy this infantile incitement.

Consider, for example, the demagogic comparison between the funding (which I support) the previous government earmarked for Arab citizens (following its predecessor, which had already decided so)—which of course Bibi and his friends continue to lie about in terms of scope (but which, I estimate, they too will pass)—and the current massive budgets (which I strongly oppose) being transferred to the Haredim. Again and again we’re told that if Arabs “get,” then Haredim should “get” too (unlike the “leftists” Bennett, Sa’ar, and Lapid, who “gave only to Arabs”). One need not have passed kindergarten to grasp how foolish that comparison is. For those who don’t understand (and it turns out there are quite a few toddlers among us), I’ll elaborate.

We can divide a state’s budgetary investments into three categories: beneficial, necessary, and harmful. Beneficial funding contributes to future GDP (infrastructure, access to education, etc.). Necessary funding is directed to necessary goals even if it doesn’t contribute to GDP (e.g., support for the elderly or disabled, perhaps also cultural investments). Harmful funding is expenditure that, beyond wasting money per se, is meant to produce negative, harmful results with no current or future benefit—a measure with all the downsides.

In this terminology, the budget for Arab citizens was meant to improve their economic and educational situation and integration into general society, address violence in Arab society, and thus bring long-term social and economic benefit to them and to all of us: increased output and reduced violence, perhaps also some increase in identification with the state and reduced feelings of discrimination. That sort of funding is expected from a right-wing government (which is why I think Bibi will continue it). One can’t deny there are perfectly reasonable worries about its use. I’m far from thinking it will all go to terror, as Bibi’s propagandists threaten, but I do think some improper or unhelpful uses will likely be made. In any case, at least by its stated aims, this belongs in the beneficial category. By contrast, almost every shekel now given to the Haredim is dedicated to weakening them economically, educationally, and vocationally; to separating them and preventing their integration into general society; and to pushing them backward as far as possible. These budgets are meant mainly to continue the control of their corrupt, benighted political establishment, enabling it to keep its people in a chokehold (which, frankly, they deserve, since they voted for that junta). The (not great, to be sure) progress achieved regarding them in recent years is now in real danger. Needless to say, the contribution of this budget to current (and of course future) GDP is negative. It’s an “investment” where every penny yields negative returns. No wonder some call it “output-eroding funding” (as opposed to necessary funding that also reduces output but for justified reasons). Needless to say, this is, of course, distinctly left-wing activity. I recently heard in an interview with Yehuda Sharoni (Maariv’s economic reporter) that the coalition agreements promise Agudat Yisrael alone the equivalent of ~40 billion shekels. It’s signed in the agreements, but we can rely on Bibi that this will of course not be fully realized. Still, these are the orders of magnitude and this is the conduct.[2] Now revisit the comparison between Arab funding and Haredi funding and consider what you think of it.

But my main concerns relate to religion–state issues and what will happen to the Haredim themselves, not to direct effects on general society (though I already discussed the indirect, long-term social and economic impacts). Effects on the status of women (such as their ability to serve in various religious roles), the functioning of rabbinical courts, staffing the Chief Rabbinate with benighted conservatives (a continuation of what we’ve had), deepening the Haredi establishment’s control over its people (the “kosher” cell-phone reform), blocking the paths of enlistment and education for Haredim who want them, continued persecution of ex-Haredim, harm through continued strengthening of conversion and kashrut monopolies, and much more. It’s worth noting what has emerged in recent days—that this government is acting to preserve legacy cellular infrastructure (for the sake of “kosher” phones) in a way that will prevent the country from advancing to 4G–5G networks needed for fast, modern devices, which will seriously harm us and output.

Canceling the kashrut reform was the first step of the coalition and new government, in partnership with the Chief Rabbinate. The conversion reform will of course not happen either. Various Western Wall arrangements and the attitude toward non-Orthodox Jewish movements will only regress. All these are expressions of a coalition of political horrors with rabbinical horrors that, in remarkable cooperation, bring upon us a frenzied conservative darkness. The Rabbinate and the government, hand in hand, have democratically seized power and the coffers, collaborating to create regression (what has recently been dubbed “regressive derangement”) and to extend their distorted norms over the religious aspects of our lives. One must understand that at least for some in this gang (the Haredim), this cooperation does not stem from genuine belief that kashrut will improve (there are naïfs who truly believe so; the Rabbinate has always proven itself an effective, professional body—ask the Haredim who so support it why they insist on consuming only private kashrut in addition to the Rabbinate). This is about jobs and control through entrenching the conservative-Haredi monopoly in key positions. In short, they will use secular leftists’ money to persecute them and strengthen Haredi separatism from them.

Chillul Hashem (Desecration of God’s Name)

I decided to dedicate a separate section to this aspect of the horror, due to its importance and essential nature. Generally I strongly oppose using “Chillul Hashem” as an argument against worthy—even legitimate—religious steps. It’s a common tool among religious leftists, and at times the sense is that “Chillul Hashem” serves as a fig leaf for the desire to curry favor. I oppose such considerations about conversion, Shabbat, observance, etc. Yet one cannot deny that such considerations are important in halakhah and at times decisive—even when opposing legitimate steps—and certainly when opposing the horrors I described.

From all I described (just the tip of the iceberg), a picture emerges of a terrible desecration of God’s Name being caused and to be caused. Think of the big picture: the religious and Haredi parties, of all shades (!), have united to zealously enthrone criminals and indictees over society and the state, and to brazenly plunder the public coffers for delusional, benighted aims and to fortify their civil privileges and special rights. In this framework, Aryeh Deri and Bibi swear allegiance to serve the State of Israel and guard its laws (which they themselves set at will). Spare me. In their hypocrisy the Haredim appoint an openly gay Knesset Speaker, then ostentatiously turn their heads aside when he gives his opening speech (see here, and Rabbi Amar’s critique here), as if their hands were not in it. But when Sabbath-breakers and adulterers rise to speak and lead us by their agency and power, none of them turns his head, of course. Apparently their captive public buys it. See the absurdity: we’ve reached a point where the state’s hope for sane, enlightened steps and for preventing part of this darkness rests with Bibi and his gang. Unbelievable—but alongside the others, Bibi is the enlightened part of this coalition.

Here, for example, is a column I just received by one Ofri Ilani (see also here), and I gather there are many others like him among the public:

We stand at a fracture line. It’s time to turn our backs on Judaism

It seems to me that Hanukkah is my favorite holiday. I love the candles burning in the winter dusk and the festive, beautiful songs. This year I lit Hanukkah candles with people close to me, and I watched the flames with sadness. Because next year I will not celebrate Hanukkah. I also won’t celebrate Purim, and certainly not Passover. I do not intend to mark Jewish holidays.

Many around me ask what can be done. They wonder when we will take to the streets against the decrees and injustices of the far-right government and the Haredim. Those are understandable questions. But the current challenge is also an existential one. However you look at it, right now it’s shameful to belong to the State of Israel. It was not infrequently shameful in the past, but now it’s a true disgrace. This place is hostile and vile. And yet, I live here.

Some propose leaving. “It’s impossible here anymore; we’ll renew the tradition and go into exile,” wrote Ze’ev Smilansky. If I had an option I might leave, but experience has shown there is no other place that wants me. For its own reasons the international community is rather apathetic to the frustration of Israelis who oppose government policy, and there’s no reason it will grant us asylum in the foreseeable future. Another proposal is to hole up and declare a secular-liberal autonomy in Tel Aviv and other cities. It’s a nice idea, but hard to see it coming to pass. Israel is too small and too centralized for visions of liberal separatism. We’re stuck up each other’s backside.

There are also other kinds of proposals. Anat Kam suggested in this newspaper placing a decorated Christmas tree on every secular balcony. An amusing thought, but paradoxical. Christmas is a Christian holiday, and Christianity is much more than gifts and shopping. Christianity is a serious matter; it is also the wounds of the crucifixion and the mysticism of the victim, and I am not sure my secular friends wish to identify with those messages. And yet, Kam’s proposal touches on something essential. Revulsion from Jewish identity is a powerful sentiment, now felt by many. We are standing at a fracture line after which many will turn their back on Jewish identity entirely.

There’s no need to convert to Christianity: I know many who would never consider baptism, but would gladly embrace Buddhism in one of its versions. I also tend to believe that many secular people who were hesitant until now will decide not to circumcise their sons anymore. And rightly so. Even secular Jews in Israel preserve many Jewish components in the life cycle. But not all will continue to stick to them.

Some will say the current rule in Israel does not represent “true Judaism.” They will call on us to draw inspiration from progressive or alternative Jewish streams and invoke “the ethics of the prophets.” That option is indeed available to liberal Jews in the U.S., but not so much for us. There is no point in inventing a private version of Judaism—a religion whose whole essence is its tie to the people of Israel. The Judaism present in the space around me is not that of queer synagogues in San Francisco. It’s the Judaism lessons in elementary school, the Rabbinate’s kashrut supervisors, and Chabad’s jelly doughnuts. These are all elements of my identity I no longer want.

As a rule, the claim that Israel does not represent Judaism is absurd. As a historical phenomenon, Judaism in any given period is the organization of the politics, religion, and culture of the Jewish people at that time. Judaism is the polity of the Jews. Hence today Israel is the embodiment of Judaism. Perhaps some will think the correct step now is to strengthen Jewish identity in an enlightened or subversive version. To me that is not the urgent response to the fracture before us. Judaism in contemporary Israel behaves like the Catholic Church in Franco’s Spain. It’s time to turn our back on it. To drop out.

A necessary renunciation

I do not write these things lightly. I have always been interested in diverse religious traditions, but at the same time—from the moment I came of age—I identify with Jewish history and the Jewish story, a Jewish element in my identity. In my research I dealt with Jewish history, and in courses I taught I insisted on teaching topics in Jewish history even to indifferent Tel Aviv students with no interest in the Book of Job or in Lurianic Kabbalah. Whether we like it or not, I believe the Jewish people has a special role in history. But the renunciation is necessary. It is enough for me to be formerly Jewish, like many illustrious figures in history. My disengagement from Judaism does not stem from indifference. For now I believe this is the proper response to the arrogance of all the parties comprising the government—each proudly waving the banner of Judaism. I do not want any tie to Kahanism, not even symbolically.

The vile plans to strengthen Jewish identity require a sweeping boycott and even a sharp counter-movement. If that is the direction Judaism has taken, the result will be that many will not want to take part. Under the current conditions I do not want to say “Who has sanctified us with His commandments,” and to proclaim the might of Israel. I yearn for better days, in which Judaism “will return after a thousand deaths,” in Paul Celan’s phrase. Then I will once again be able to light a Hanukkah candle. But that time is nowhere in sight.

I wrote to the person who sent me this column that I have similar feelings, even if you can gather that they stem from somewhat different reasons (though fairly close). For me, Judaism is faith, not merely an ethnic culture (which in my view has little value), and therefore I have no option to abandon it. I do, however, have the option to abandon the deranged groups that have seized it and are perceived (with some justice) as representing it. But I dedicated the first manifesto to that.

In my estimation, what I quoted above is not a standard leftist, secular despair. It reflects authentic feelings that exist to some extent even in me, because sadly this time they are justified. I think we must take seriously a situation in which the actions of the religious public arouse, abroad and at home (among secular Jews and among the sane segment of the religious public), feelings that identify Judaism with corruption, brutishness, and privilege. This time it can’t be pinned on antisemitism alone. Even someone who justifies parts of the government’s steps cannot deny that these feelings have real basis.

I know that God and the Torah are the last things that interest this band of “righteous” who take Judaism’s name in vain. Not coincidentally, in Israel and around the world, religious Jews are now becoming synonymous with corruption, primitivism, and racism—and to a considerable extent with justice (beyond the exaggerations, which I’ll address later). To our shame, many of the ignorant (including rabbis and public leaders) in the religious and Haredi worlds are exulting and proclaiming “ours has triumphed,” whereas in truth the formation of this disgraceful government is a historic rupture that calls for rending one’s garments. The day the government was formed should be set as a day of fasting and lamentation over a desecration of God’s Name the likes of which we haven’t seen since the state’s founding and long before. If you next hear an “X, how pleasant are his deeds” about any representative of the religious parties in the Knesset—please notify me. If there is a World to Come and reward and punishment, as these folks tell us, I wouldn’t want to be around when they receive what’s coming to them (though I won’t deny some schadenfreude).

The problem with hysterical critiques

Despite the harsh criticism I’ve dealt out here, note that the aspects involved are quite specific: they concern conduct more than outcomes, and the rather minor results that will come will concern mainly the Haredi public, which will eat what it has cooked (and indirectly all of us, in the longer term). The historical pendulum will likely keep swinging; subsequent governments will fix what this one distorted, and so on ad nauseam. As I wrote above, most of the fears expressed in the media and street do not concern these aspects; in my eyes they express groundless apocalyptic hysteria.

Undifferentiated hysteria neutralizes the ability to voice real critiques. When people cry “the destruction of democracy” over every legitimate and even desirable step the government declares, or even over a step whose harm is minor, the correct, substantive critiques are not heard or accepted. People ascribe everything to leftist hysteria—and to a large extent rightly so—the boy who cried wolf.

Indeed, it seems our leftist cousins have now completely lost what little connection to reality they had—and thus the correct criticisms that should be levied at this coalition of horrors (some of which I listed) aren’t heard. These hysterical, unintelligent critics shoot themselves—and all of us—in the foot. I was just sent an op-ed in Haaretz,[3] titled “Still not like in dark regimes,” where Carolina Landsmann, who appears to be decidedly left, warns that these hysterical, false critiques also harm our global image (including that bizarre New York Times piece, which surely feeds on the hysterical portrayals read in Haaretz).

The rest of the column is dedicated to three concrete examples of hysterical criticism. It was important for me to state my principled view of this government of horrors before addressing the opposition’s complaints. Even if the critics are headed in the right direction (in my view), and perhaps precisely because of that, we should put things in proportion to distinguish between the genuine and the counterfeit and make the discussion saner, more balanced, and more substantive.

Two for the price of one: Merav Arlosoroff on numerus clausus and apartheid

Merav Arlosoroff published a screed in Calcalist here, arguing that the new government’s policy combines numerus clausus and apartheid. Well then, all the dark regimes now have something to aspire to. Let’s examine her two claims.

Numerus clausus is setting limited admission quotas for students based on belonging to an ethnic or religious group. In parts of Europe this was done to Jews. Arlosoroff claims the expected decision to prefer military veterans for university admission is de facto numerus clausus. Such a step, she says, is directed mainly against Haredim and Arabs, but since Haredim hardly seek university admission, de facto it’s numerus clausus against Arabs.

This preposterous argument suffers from several serious methodological problems. First, numerus clausus is not judged de facto unless you have proof that the outcome was intended in advance. By her logic, locating a university in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem is numerus clausus against those in the periphery. Not to mention numerus clausus against children who can’t get in. If the consideration is substantive, and the problematic outcomes are only a side effect, you can’t call it numerus clausus. Moreover, one can study in colleges as well as universities; but in universities students receive government subsidies. It is entirely reasonable to give preferential funding to those who gave three years of their lives and/or risked their lives in the army, over those unwilling even to perform national service in their own communities (Haredim and Arabs, as well as Jews who dodge service). True, the practical effect disfavors Arabs—but the step is justified, and again the effect is only de facto. Those who won’t agree with the step because of its outcomes still cannot deny its logic and legitimacy. By the way, Arabs can perform national service, and I assume those who do will receive parity with Jewish servers. They don’t do it, and then they wail as usual. And leftists as usual side with the “weak,” in their familiar way of practicing the racism of low expectations. Moreover, such a policy “disfavors” quite a few Jews who dodge service—so it’s hard to call this an anti-Arab step. That’s for “numerus clausus”; now to our favorite, “apartheid.”

Arlosoroff claims the government plans to stop the over-funding given to Arabs and Arab municipalities, and thereby discriminates against Arabs. Behold apartheid, in the hysterical left’s version. A grave slander upon South Africa. For Ms. Arlosoroff’s information, there is a logical and conceptual problem here: canceling affirmative action is not discrimination but entirely legitimate policy. If there is discrimination, it stems from prior governments’ policy; affirmative action is not a basic right. If Arlosoroff had pointed to current discriminatory treatment there might be room for discussion—though even budgetary discrimination is not necessarily apartheid—especially when aimed at a hostile population that has tried and still tries to annihilate us (I do not claim all Arabs are terrorists; but the collective is our declared enemy). That does not justify discrimination, but it certainly renders it more understandable and further from apartheid. Beyond that, again: canceling affirmative action is simply not apartheid. Incidentally, in recent days it’s been reported that Bibi plans to transfer the same budget to Arabs, as he has decided and done in the past (ignoring his lies and demagogic, violent incitement against them during the previous government).

Of course one can debate each of these steps—ethically and consequentially. Perfectly legitimate debate. For example, I truly support massively increasing support for Arab citizens, but equally support preference for military veterans. If Bibi ultimately transfers the budget to Arabs, then on both counts I would be with him—on the “apartheid” and on the “numerus clausus.”

I ask myself: from whence grows this demagogic, hysterical critique? It’s wild incitement, quite typical of leftist punditry (and in truth also of Bibism). I suppose there’s a bias that begins with real criticisms and worries about the new government and, in the leftist way (and Bibist too), instantly turns into “apocalypse now,” whether or not there’s any basis. Arlosoroff’s article is a paradigmatic model for dozens and hundreds of fear-mongering pieces now being published, all seeking to destroy the government of horrors but actually shooting its opponents in the foot. After reading a ridiculous, biased, unintelligent article like Arlosoroff’s, no wonder even substantive critiques (like mine) are immediately classified as hysterical leftism. The “boy who cried wolf” syndrome, as I said.

Now to the second example: the “discrimination law.”

Background to the discussion of the “Discrimination Law”

What has dominated headlines in recent days (until last night when the discussion shifted to judicial reforms) is the amendment nicknamed the “Discrimination Law.” Critics claim it would allow service providers (physicians, business owners, psychologists, etc.) to act in a discriminatory manner under cover of law—i.e., to refuse service to those they dislike or whose values differ from theirs. The carnival around the “Discrimination Law” is a towering peak of groundless hysteria and demagoguery.

It’s worth understanding the background. Some years ago there was a case of a print shop in Beersheba refusing to provide service to the LGBTQ community requesting flyers for their event. The owner refused, claiming it violated his values, and was sued. The court fined him, and naturally it caused a great uproar. It was seemingly a case of progressive coercion that unjustifiably favored the client’s values over the provider’s, and in effect sought to force him to act against his conscience (see column 296).

In that column I cited a well-known case that reached the U.S. Supreme Court about a Christian baker named Phillips who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple in Colorado. His argument to the prospective clients was very relevant here: “I can make you a birthday cake, cookies, or brownies,” he told them, “but I can’t make a cake for a same-sex wedding.” Phillips’s case wound through the courts for about three years (2012–2015). At first the Colorado court ordered the baker to bake for such events and to change his policy. This was affirmed by the Colorado Court of Appeals. But eventually the U.S. Supreme Court reversed and recognized the baker’s right to freedom of religion (and also freedom of expression; if a cake counts, then a sign all the more so), and ruled that this outweighs the value of preventing discrimination.

In her ruling the Israeli judge wrote that things are different here because we have an anti-discrimination statute obligating her to rule as she did. But as I explained in that column, to my best judgment the statute doesn’t truly mandate that. It’s a rather sweeping interpretation by the judge herself; in that sense, the American precedent is indeed relevant. I am not impressed that our situation is essentially different.

The current amendment arises from conservative religious anger at that case and others like it (for some reason, liberals were silent in a thousand tongues here; in fact, they didn’t remain silent—they preached for ignoring others’ values, like banning gender-separate events in public facilities, and more). I think any rational person understands this amendment is called for, as it corrects a very faulty state. Even the moniker “Discrimination Law” smuggles in a “liberal” (so-called) connotation; in my view it’s a law in favor of respecting the values of different groups. A deeply liberal law. I’m entirely for it.

Now I want to revisit a distinction I made in that column and sharpen it for our case.

A distinction between the nature of the service and the identity of the recipient

A very basic distinction, oddly absent from almost all the critics’ “discussion.”[4] There’s an essential difference between refusing service to someone because they are LGBTQ—which is inherently improper—and refusing to provide service to LGBTQ activities because they contradict the provider’s values—which is entirely proper. To my judgment, everyone should agree to this regardless of their view of the phenomenon itself. If the print shop refused to provide printing service to a person because of his sexual orientation—that would be improper discrimination. But if it refused to provide service for an LGBTQ movement conference promoting its values—this is perfectly legitimate. The second case is not discrimination of any kind. The client’s values do not override the provider’s; liberty should be granted equally to both. I can’t see how anyone calling themselves liberal fails to recognize this distinction.

Everyone understands a physician may refuse to perform an abortion when his conscience forbids it. Another example: suppose at some point an effective conversion therapy for sexual orientation is found (assuming anyone would dare report such knowledge, since that would be strongly tabooed), and a doctor refuses to provide it to someone who wants it. I suspect even the great liberal sages would side with him and argue passionately for his right to act according to his values. For the benefit of the Haaretz readership, more examples: what about printing invitations for a racist organization’s conference? Must every printer produce invitations for Lehava or even a neo-Nazi group? And what about printing their brochures? What would our liberal cousins say about printing invitations or baking a cake for the infamous “wedding of hate”? I allow myself to assume they’d certainly defend the provider’s right to stand on his values. So where did that liberalism go when it comes to other groups’ values?

Rocinante and the windmills

The example most invoked these days is that of a doctor who won’t treat LGBTQ patients. There are letters by physicians and fervent declarations opposing the law, as if they are fighting a holy war for righteousness, justice, and ethics. We were solemnly read the Hippocratic Oath, and one could be impressed by festive loyalty rituals to liberal values. Add to that the letters from businesspeople, pilots and officers, jurists, and more. Perhaps most prominent was the storm, only a few days ago and already forgotten, around Avi Maoz. The hysterical letters and protests by educators, principals, and municipal leaders arose against the imaginary threat of Avi Maoz receiving responsibility for the Education Ministry’s enrichment programs. Here, finally, we have a truly benighted and racist person, with appalling views and severe detachment from reality. But of course he posed no real threat to anything (see for example here in Davar, not suspected of closeness to the Noam party). That didn’t prevent all freedom fighters from standing as one to wage a hysterical holy war. No wonder the storm passed as it came—and so will all current tempests.

All these try to instill in us the sense that we’ve been blessed with thousands of Joan of Arcs, Emile Zolas, Nelson Mandelas, and Martin Luther Kings under every leafy tree. A truly impressive cohort of martyrs. Well, no wonder—we are the chosen people, after all. There are only two minor differences between all these ass-riding paladins and the original Joan and Emile: in our case there’s not a gram of price they are willing and/or will be required to pay for their “stalwart courage,” and there’s also no real enemy to fight. Poor Israeli Rocinante, forced to carry all these Don Quixotes as they march to total war against the fearsome windmills of their imagination. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at these pathetic, pitiable spectacles.

A glance at medical ethics

Returning to doctors and psychologists—our cousins somehow forgot (not for the first time; see e.g. column 225) that clause 16 appears in the Israel Medical Association’s ethical code (read aloud in the Knesset by Michal Waldiger—see here, and needless to say it continues to be gloriously ignored in the public debate):

16. A physician’s refusal to provide medical treatment.

  1. The physician is permitted not to provide medical treatment at the patient’s request if the request contradicts his professional judgment, conscience, or faith. In such circumstances, the physician shall, as far as possible, refer the patient to another appropriate physician.
  2. The physician shall oppose medical treatment forced upon him for administrative or economic reasons if such treatment contradicts his professional judgment or conscience.

Thus medical ethics itself recognizes this distinction as basic. It’s common sense, understood by any reasonable person. So why the outrage? Pure, groundless incitement, nothing more.

Of course one can raise slippery-slope concerns that this law will lead to discrimination based on the recipient’s identity, especially in light of past statements by its promoters and their associates. But the proposers themselves (Orit Strock and Simcha Rothman) repeatedly clarify that this is not their intent—yet interviewers won’t let them speak (see, for example, this interview with Amalia Duek, who refuses to understand the basic, self-evident distinction). Needless to say—none of that helps. The “liberal” justice warriors will continue their deranged campaign to force people to act against their conscience.

The discrimination paradox

The crowning peak of this bizarre carnival is an amusing phenomenon I’ll call the “discrimination paradox.” Some righteous souls outdid all others and announced they would not provide services to bodies that practice discrimination in providing services. See here, for example, the “courageous” step by Discount Bank, whose ethics and morality are always lights unto its path—especially when this “remarkable courage” yields free PR (for the absurdity see Ofra Lax’s segment here) and costs not a gram (if only because it will never be implemented). But Discount isn’t the only brave one in our Sodom. Facebook—the charity—joined the party and so did others, including a group of justice-seeking, ethical attorneys (but apparently not the sharpest pencils in the box), who published the following letter:

Letter from law firms: Commitment to non-discrimination in providing services

The undersigned law firms have emblazoned on their banners the values of tolerance, equality, and human dignity, as well as support for the foundational principles of democracy, including the principle of judicial independence.

Recent calls in Israel’s political arena to erode these values are of sincere and deep concern to us. We are committed to doing all in our power to prevent discrimination of any kind, including on grounds of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation.

Therefore, we find it necessary to clarify that even if the relevant legislation is amended, our firms will not represent clients, and will not do business with entities and companies, that discriminate against people on grounds of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation.

We believe and hope that our clients, as well as the companies and service providers with whom we engage, share our basic values; and that through collaboration and joining forces we can help preserve an equal, tolerant, and respectful society in the State of Israel.

We intend to bring this notice to all entities with whom we work.

What righteous folk! Note they do not announce they won’t discriminate even if the law allows it—that isn’t stated at all. On the contrary: they absolutely will. How do I know? Because the letter says exactly that: they intend to use the law to discriminate against people solely for their views—and, ironically, this is written as part of their opposition to the “discriminatory law.” I rubbed my eyes in disbelief. While opposing the law, they announce they will discriminate based solely on worldview. Moreover, they don’t distinguish between services that violate their values (i.e., that would assist discrimination those entities practice) and denial of service to entities just because they are discriminatory. The upshot is that these esteemed jurists oppose a just, rightful law that contains not a whiff of discrimination, while the measure they take is itself crude discrimination—under the banner of fighting discrimination. Apparently even the sky is not the limit for folly and tendentiousness. You might want to keep that list of signatory firms; if any of us ever needs a lawyer, it’s useful to know in whose hands not to place the case (or is that unlawful discrimination based on ability—“ability-ism”?).

The fanatical brainwashing sweeping along our “liberals” has turned them into an extreme church no less than the religious churches they attack. It’s hard to believe this reflects their true intelligence level. The alternative conclusion is that the most basic capacities for thought and distinction are completely neutralized within that church. Now try to present a substantive critique of government policy and point to real problems when those are your “colleagues.” You present as an idiot among idiots and have no chance to gain even a crumb of attention.

A note on the gray zone

Undeniably, many gray cases exist in the realm of discrimination. Consider hosting an LGBTQ couple in a hotel. By hosting them the owner enables actions that, in his view, are forbidden. Does this fall under discrimination by client identity, or under refusal due to the nature of the service itself? Not simple. How about printing an invitation for a science-popularization event held under the auspices of an LGBTQ organization with its logo? Even baking a cake for a wedding, as in the American case, isn’t easy. Beyond that, clearly one can hide racist motives under the pretext of value-based objections. But to my judgment such concerns don’t justify forcing someone to act against his values. We need to think how to define the law and prevent problematic cases. But as always, we mustn’t let the black zone conquer the white in the name of worry over gray. I’ve noted more than once David Enoch’s point that “slippery-slope worries” are themselves a slippery slope that paralyzes us too often.

Another example: consider someone whose racist values forbid marriage between Mizrahi and Ashkenazi, or between a Hasid and a Lithuanian Jew. Should the “Discrimination Law” protect him too?! In my view, yes. With all the contempt and rejection I feel for such values, I think I must not force someone to act contrary to his values. Likewise in marriage, it’s unreasonable to force a rabbi to marry a kohen to a divorcee, a Jew to a gentile, or a same-sex couple; I hope (though I’m not certain) even great liberals wouldn’t support that. Of course it’s important to provide these populations with alternative options outside a rabbi’s auspices—something our conservative intellectuals don’t always ensure. I think this, among other things, drives the unreasonable demands of the “liberals.” Again, you can see that on this playing field there are hardly any righteous on either side.

Even regarding the print-shop case, I saw a few days ago a clip by Haim Levinson in which he quotes the ruling, claiming the judge (religious, he says) justified the fine because the discrimination there was based on the client’s identity, not the nature of the service; hence she fined them. From what I’ve read (see again column 296), I was not at all persuaded. But this deserves checking, since we must beware of drift in both directions. Either way, what matters for us is that, in principle, one should not coerce someone to provide a service that violates his values—and the gray zone requires careful case-by-case handling.

Finally, I’ll end with another example of inflammatory criticism—this time from both sides.

The “beasts’ parade”

In recent days Rabbi Mazuz’s remarks about homosexuals and their “parades of beasts” were published. These remarks evoke in me a sense of revulsion toward the speaker, who clearly does not understand the phenomenon and speaks without comprehension. Style is not the issue (I certainly have no standing to scold others for coarse style), though referring to a person’s orientation (as opposed to opinions or behavior) as “disgusting” or “repugnant” is truly improper. See also Rabbi Amar’s remarks in this context (to me more severe and problematic). The tone and tenor of both again illustrate the gap between Torah knowledge and talent and plain logic and common sense. Recall these words come a few years after a murder occurred at such a parade in Jerusalem.

Having said all that, despite my complete lack of sympathy for the rabbis’ remarks, I must draw a distinction. In many cases (and as far as I understand, also for Rabbi Mazuz), the reference is to the parade, not to people. Calling the parade a “beasts’ parade” doesn’t necessarily mean gays are beasts. Just as when I say someone behaved like a beast, it doesn’t mean I view him as a beast. This is harsh criticism of behavior, not necessarily a description of the person. The term “beast” or “bestial” doesn’t necessarily refer to the LGBTQ demand for rights and protest against their treatment (which to me are entirely legitimate and justified), but to the manner in which it is carried out in some of these parades (mainly in Tel Aviv, but not only). Many people—like me—who watch some pride parades are filled with disgust. The flaunting of sexuality is indeed bestial behavior (to remind us: only beasts mate in public; shame and modesty are human traits). These are repugnant provocations in the public domain, imposed on the general public who do not wish to see them, including children. That may justify calling it a “beasts’ parade.” Moreover, license for provocation should not be reserved for only one side in this game.

True, norms of modesty differ between sectors; but the marchers’ lack of consideration (I refer to those parades conducted provocatively) for many people’s norms—especially when done blatantly in public—can justify such expressions. I suspect many liberals would join such a description for an act of full sexual intercourse in public. In Rabbi Mazuz’s eyes (and a little in mine), the Tel Aviv parade is quite similar. Still, a few caveats: first, this doesn’t characterize all parades in the country—some are very moderate and focus on the message and rights rather than on flaunting sexuality. Second, remember this is a reaction (wild and improper) to long-standing discrimination, still ongoing—often inspired by the same conservative folk now protesting against it. The provocations are meant, among other things, to jab at those they see as discriminators, which is understandable even if not acceptable. Again we see both sides fueling each other’s attitudes; I’ll return to this.

I do think Rabbi Mazuz’s words involve improper generalization and implied degradation, seemingly born of ignorance of the phenomenon and perhaps prejudice (and also a mistaken categorical conflation between halakhic prohibition and moral baseness, as seen in his attitude toward Amir Ohana). Still, examined on their own, at least parts of his words are within a reasonable border.

Nor is his claim that it’s a disease problematic to me. I’ve explained more than once (see e.g. columns 2526) that the term “disease” is a matter of perspective, so it needn’t carry any negative connotation. Someone who believes the act is religiously and/or morally forbidden will indeed regard the phenomenon as a disease—just like kleptomania, a tendency to desecrate the Sabbath, an obsessive desire to eat pork, or any other negative inclination. Those who see the orientation neutrally or positively, of course, won’t see it as a disease. Thus the term “disease” merely expresses one’s stance toward the phenomenon (pro or con), and nothing beyond that. The automatic offense in debates around this seems to me like a tool for silencing—though at times the use of the term “disease” is exactly that (for those who use it know what reactions it will arouse, even if unjustly).

In this example we see inflammatory rhetoric from both sides of the divide. A more balanced view could yield mutual understanding and more measured, reasonable criticism with a chance of acceptance. I’ll stress again what I’ve written repeatedly: I’m not dealing with style but with content and arguments. Questions of style are tactical; hence they don’t interest me much.

Conclusion: back to conduct and discourse

So what did we have here? A heated struggle between a benighted coalition of horrors and a hysterical, biased (and far from liberal) opposition. Both sides talk nonsense and do nonsense—and above all don’t reason. It’s very hard to insert substantive arguments into this inflamed, unprincipled “debate.” In my opinion, the core problem is not positions but the mode of discourse—the shouting and silencing that prevent level-headed examination and formulation of positions. The positions are an outcome and a symptom of the discourse.

If the discussion were substantive and people were willing to think a moment—to raise arguments and give reasons before writing hysterical, pathetic protest letters—then (recalling my WhatsApp experiments) it would become clear that the gaps between the sides aren’t so great. In most areas the disagreements aren’t that big, and extreme steps by both sides usually occur as reactions to the other side’s extremism. The hysterical side fuels the horrific side, then the latter becomes more hysterical, which increases the horror—and back again. Understand that in the past there were statements by Smotrich and Ben-Gvir that indeed deserved to be called “racist,” though I think they have since moderated and not only tactically but in essence (see column 507). So it’s no wonder the world senses—even if wrongly in my view—that beneath the legitimate steps in the “discrimination law” lie racist motives, and responds hysterically.

Personal legislation by Bibi’s opponents itself triggers an even more extreme counter-reaction (including, again, personal legislation by the other side), which again outrages—and so on. Likewise, the steps of progressives who seize norms and public discourse and deny Haredim rights (like using public facilities and public funding for gender-separate events, separate study in academia, etc.) beget extreme counter-steps (most of which won’t be realized) from the other side—like a 30,000-shekel tax on having cats. Lieberman’s attitude toward Haredim (even if not baseless) arouses their hysterical counter-reaction, which turns disposables and sugary drinks into a battle over a Jewish article of faith against an antisemitic persecutor (whereas charging for bags and bottles is merely unpopular policy)—and so on.

To understand the conduct, see for example this article describing the to-and-fro color changes in the Transportation Ministry under ministers Michaeli and Regev (including a festive press conference to announce it), and marvel at the stupidity on which these “ladies” are spending their time, energy, lack of talent—and above all our money. If you wish, here are more pearls here from our transportation minister Miri Regev about Greater Tel Aviv (of course none will be realized). Why think deeply or do staff work if you can just let a spoiled child spout populist slogans, brawl with leftists, and commit a multi-billion-shekel attack on Tel Aviv?! Likewise, Smotrich’s first step as finance minister is canceling the disposable tax (after deep study, staff work, and impact review), and the religious affairs minister’s first step is canceling the kashrut reform at a festive ceremony in the Chief Rabbinate’s office (surely after they deeply examined the implications in the half hour since taking office). I suspect even this cohort of the challenged doesn’t think these are the most necessary steps—but the brawling matters to them far more than substance. It reminded me how we once laughed/cried when the corrupt council head of Yeruham, who replaced his loathed predecessor, surprised us all overnight by repainting all the street rails (installed by his predecessor). Now this nonsense happens turbo-charged at the national level. Did it happen—or was it a dream?!

One cannot fail to mention in this context the “wondrous victory” and “public sanctification of God’s Name” by our Minister of National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir, who went up to the Temple Mount the day before yesterday (Tue., Jan 3) like a thief in the night through a side gate for a few minutes and fled immediately, then proudly announced that with this we defeated Hamas. I protest the ongoing discrimination on the Temple Mount and the capitulation to Hamas, and I also think the left’s repeated warnings about the collapse of the Middle East and the entire universe (see “Har Homa”)—repeatedly disproven—are hysterical. Still, such a Pyrrhic “victory,” a spectacular capitulation to Hamas as here—I can hardly imagine. Because of their small threats, a minister in Israel’s government must sneak in for a few minutes at dawn using a decoy operation involving the entire system up to and including the prime minister, just to plant a flag on the other team’s turf. A truly marvelous display of sovereignty. Who could see this and still claim we aren’t sovereign there?! Clearly, yet again, we are playing children’s games of who is stronger and who won and who surrendered—games of sneaking in and stealing the flag—instead of dealing with substance. Here too both sides share in the hysteria and childish foolishness.

So what’s the prospect?

Perhaps I’m naïve, but I suspect on both sides there are (well-hidden) quite a few sane people. We don’t see them because this discourse drags everyone to places that, absent it, they themselves would understand and agree are unworthy. I estimate a rank-and-file Haredi understands that parasitism and sweeping shirking of burden are not moral conduct and that he is not truly comfortable with it. At times his reaction—both extreme and offended—results from that discomfort and a lack of better answers to his critics. I’m fairly sure he also understands that a society built on coercion, on narrowing horizons, and on clamping down on anyone who thinks a bit differently—one that has serious problems in the realm of harassment and sex crimes, private gangs of thuggish enforcers, and many “virtues” and their deficits—is far from a model society, despite its (real) merits. Likewise, I believe a reasonable secular liberal understands that such capture of discourse and norms and public resources and the shape of the public square is unworthy. Deep down he also feels there is no such thing as a secular Judaism without Torah and halakhah, and that he takes Judaism’s name in vain. The profusion of writing and talk about “secular Jewish identity” (which yields mainly empty, circular slogans) testifies to that feeling’s strong presence. I also think a sane liberal would even agree to the distinction I presented above regarding the “Discrimination Law.” Every person—even non-Haredi—understands that today’s core studies and education system don’t bring us to lofty pinnacles of achievement and scholarship, and that our secular society is also far from being an open, tolerant, enlightened model society. Moreover, I’m quite sure—naïf that I am—that deep down both sides want to be such: tolerant, open, educated, wise, enlightened, contributing to society, good and considerate.

But we’ve all climbed trees because of steps and counter-steps, and now the storm howls around us—much ado about almost nothing. What’s called here “discourse” or “public debate” consists of media proclamations and collective hysterical, self-righteous letters from the gut, filled with slogans, without discussion, argument, or reasoning. The sense is that everything is agendas and there’s simply no one to talk to. Amid the cacophony of hysterical cries, I can hardly discern one substantive argument—something with a reasonable explanation—from either side. The emotional shouting from the gut deafens the ear and drives normal people to close up in despair.

As I wrote at the start: if we could manage a sane conversation, we’d find the disagreements aren’t as polar as they seem; usually what one side sees as necessary and proper, the other would at least see as acceptable. The escalation that drives us up trees none can defend might be averted; we’d return to ordinary political disputes—without apocalypses, without horrors, and without hysterias. How do we get there in the age of shouty, populist social networks—in the age of “media” without communication? I don’t know.

Finally, like Cato the Elder, I can’t avoid noting that this too relates to our prevalent preference for Hasidic “vorts” and existential psychologism over logical philosophical considerations, conceptualization and analysis, and systematic intellectual study. From this I infer that publishing a long, exhausting column (that also manages to anger all sides) on an obscure site won’t really change the situation. I simply see no other way to try.

And to the listener—may it be pleasant.

[1] As I wrote there, every clause in the proposed reform sounds reasonable to me and defensible in democratic theory; but the package is very problematic—especially in our circumstances, with only two branches and a coalition that may be quite unrestrained.

[2] Part of this goes to commemorating Haredi figures (Rabbi Ovadia and the Lubavitcher Rebbe), and my understanding is that we’re talking about very large sums there as well.

[3] Many of the sources I cite are Haaretz pieces; I use them even though a subscription is required to read in full—mainly because my debate partner (mentioned above) sends them to me.

[4] See, however, here a rare column by Zohar Lederman that recognizes this and writes in Haaretz much like what I write here.


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  1. It is difficult to properly answer such a long column and argue about every mistake and deception (which is full of them).
    And yet, exemption for nothing is impossible.
    “A coalition of horror” consisting of ”corrupt, criminals, thieves” etc’ etc’ etc’.
    And in front of them – “hysterics”. That is, good, smart, honest and dedicated people, but alas, they panicked a little too much.
    Years ago I read chapters from ”Mein Kampf” (the entire book is full of confusing pages and not worth the effort) and also some articles (translated) from ”Stirmer”. This column, alas, reminds me of the same demagogic methods, the same sarcasm and desperate attempt to appear as a “decent critic” of a serious social phenomenon… the same argument of “there are stupid Germans, but the Jews – are the corrupt and the demonic”. (Well, we must not generalize, as Adolf said? “There was one decent Jew who ended up killing himself”, he meant Otto Weininger).

    So the opposition's problem is …hysteria”? That's all? Besides that, they were the symbol of honesty, fairness and efficiency? Do you really believe that? I will not bother to list here all the lies and deceit of Lapid and Co.’ In the establishment of the previous government, (there was not a single commitment they made that was not broken, and they did not abstain from public funds, due to the Bennett family in Ra'anana), and I will not dwell on Lapid's embarrassing ignorance (speaking of "dark" and "ignorant of knowledge", Lapid and his friends, who even compared him to the Creator of the Universe, are of course the symbol of enlightenment and phenomenal knowledge). But, do you really believe in this crazy division of the Israeli public that came out of your pen here? (I almost wrote "poisoned", but it is not nice to express it that way). If so, you yourself are a victim of brainwashing. The display of vanity you have presented here harms first and foremost your own reputation. How can I trust someone who claims to make deep and complicated philosophical texts accessible to me, when in things I can judge he displays the stupidity of an American or British intellectual from the beginning of the last century?

    And one more thing. I recall a conversation I had in the late 1980s with a man who claimed to be a Shin Bet man (I still don't know if that's true). He "explained" to me the genius of Rabin's decision to financially support Hamas (which was a new and unknown organization at the time). According to him, Rabin understood that it was better to fund religious fanatics "so that they would sit in their yeshivahs and kollels and not get involved in politics". All my attempts to explain to him that not all religious people and not all religions are made of the same skin, and that behavior that characterizes a Jewish religious fanatic does not necessarily characterize a Muslim religious fanatic – They fell on deaf ears. (“Do you think you understand more than all the heads of the Shin Bet and the defense establishment”?). Young people in Dahshta who didn't know Yitzhak don't believe me when I tell them about the generous sums that Defense Minister Rabin transferred to Hamas based on this delusional and crazy “concept”.

    And why did I mention this? Because I prefer the Arabs to be mired in the mud of ignorance and ignorance, scoundrels and hard-working, and as little educated as possible. The experience of the last hundred years or more has proven that the more educated they are, the more bitter and dangerous enemies they are. A little history study (and some research literature on the connection between terrorism and education, etc.) wouldn't hurt.

    1. It's really unbelievable. I don't understand how he lost his basic sense of criticism. Falling for such brainwashing would never have happened in the life of the old Miki. I know he had a bad and bitter experience with the Haredi world and he was burned (and rightly so. I really understand why he was angry with them in that specific case), but I didn't expect it to make him join the enemies of the Jewish people (or foreigners at best). Maybe it's dementia. I don't know. Really not.

      The amount of lies, evil, and opacity on the left is a thousand thousand times more than there is among the Haredi. No wonder they feel like they're in exile (today I feel the same way even after the victory of the right. In fact, the real victory will be when all the officials in the country are lovers of the Jewish people). It's permissible to deceive the evil thug (and the Jews who help him too).

      It seems as if the state was founded by people who don't care about the Jewish people at all, but only wanted to rule over other people, and since they got a kick in the ass from the Gentiles (Dreyfus, etc.) after their attempts at assimilation failed, they decided to take it easy on the only suckers left. They are the rest of the innocent Jews who in their innocence think about solidarity between Jews. It should be noted that the left always talks about the state and contribution to the state and betrayal of the state. Have you ever heard them mention the word "the people" other than in the sense of a collection of "citizens"? That is, about the people of Israel? This is an obscene word for them (the religion of anti-sin and anti-nationalism, progressive. The holy, empty equality (which of course is still governed by a government headed by the left to decide how to enforce this equality. Because, as we know, everyone is equal, but they are more equal)). I really understand Rabbi Tao.

      By the way, this is a slice of the emptiness of the global left with its bureaucratic mentality. The law is important, not justice. The state is important, but not the nation. The procedures are important, not the goal for which they will be shortened

      Who cares in such a reality whether they go to the army or not? Who is this army fighting for today? It is already on its way to becoming the Red Army. Who should pay taxes or not if they are held in the hands of mindless infantiles who will give them to our enemies anyway?

      1. As a member of the Haredi community, I know it well and know that there are many lights in it and no less dark shadows. (Someone said 50 shades of black…). I fully share the criticism of the Haredi leadership (both spiritual and political), and even when I was a Haredi yeshiva student I was considered an oddball (and hated) because I did not agree to see the great Rabbi of your generation. In fact, I did not see greatness in him at all. But I have never shared the blind and fanatical hatred of the Haredi. They are my brothers.

        The way out of the trap in which the state on the one hand and the Haredi community on the other are trapped is not in columns dripping with hate and sarcasm, nor in budgetary decrees that will drag this community into even more severe poverty than it is in today, and Talkback is not the appropriate arena to clarify this issue. However, I can testify that in closed conversations with yeshiva leaders I have found that they are much more sober than they allow themselves to reveal in public and certainly understand the aforementioned trap.

        As for the left, here too the story is longer and more convoluted than it appears. The root of the evil goes back to Karl Marx (a descendant of Rashi), who developed a delusional and insane theory of a global conspiracy of the bourgeoisie against the proletariat. After Marxism suffered a humiliating defeat wherever it was attempted, the Marxists shifted the ideological focus to the struggle between the "privileged" and the "oppressed", which developed into a huge rambling of "set of situations", etc., and the things are long, tedious and incredibly stupid. The tragedy is that this stupid progressive troll took American academia by storm and from there sent cancerous metastases everywhere, and even reached our holy land and sowed destruction in everything it touched.

        1. You are going around in circles, instead of following Leibowitz who says: Human decisions have no rational basis…
          A person makes decisions not because of something that moves him in the world, but because he wants to!
          It comes out of him into the world.
          And everything he receives from the world into it is a conclusion!
          The world and nature have laws contrary to human nature that the name of the mind and soul overturns and there is no way to measure the human soul!
          But in the physical world I can measure and investigate everything…

    2. Dear Mordechai, you may not have noticed, but the topic of this column is the current debate. In the current debate, the opposition is not the issue, but the criticism it heaps on the government. If you had bothered to read, you would have surely seen that I criticized the opposition for incitement and bias, called them a fanatical church, etc. So the conclusion that these are honest and nice people who are just hysterical is probably hysteria from your bias. As usual, I have to say.

      1. My dear Miki (priceless witness), I took the trouble to read the entire column from beginning to end. When I don't read everything, or when I read in a hurry, I note this (so as not to steal knowledge). My cognitive limitations are well-known and my wits are painful when stepped on… But, in this case, my question was simple – Do you really believe in the dichotomy that your words portray, namely that the coalition is made up of corrupt people, thieves and ”horrors”, while the opposition is made up of pure and honest people who just got overly panicked? If not, you could simply say that your words were written with your usual sarcasm, that you exaggerated for the sake of the discussion, etc.’ and that you didn't mean it. If so – Well, I already said it above.

        Speaking of corrupt people, I don't know who you mean in this column, but in other columns you made a point of calling Netanyahu the "corrupt ruler". In one of them I asked you if you bothered to follow his trial and the hair-raising revelations that came out of it. Are you aware that although more than 30 witnesses have testified so far, none of them have contributed even a grain of salt to the prosecution's position, but all of them as one (some as an evil angel who answers with a vengeance) have contributed quite a bit of material to the prosecution of the investigators and prosecutors for a host of very serious offenses (bordering on treason, and still on which side of the border).
        You ignored my question then, or perhaps it escaped your notice. So I'm repeating it in the hope of an honest answer.

        1. My previous response was incomparably shorter (or longer) than the column, and it clearly seems that you didn't read it either. If you did, it's much more worrying, so I'll judge you for what you're worth.
          I've written here more than once that I'm not following the trial. The judges will say in the end what the picture is, and strong statements like yours are also made from the opposite side. Although it's clear that the followers of that corrupt man, even if there is a guilty verdict, it won't help. They'll hang him for conspiracy too.
          But my arguments are not on the criminal level because I'm not dealing with him. The man is corrupt to the core, regardless of the convictions in his trials.
          I've also written here more than once that there's no doubt that the press and the legal system are persecuting him and treating him badly. And regardless of that, the man is corrupt to the core (as they say: just because you're persecuted doesn't mean there's no reason to persecute you). And maybe that's why they're persecuting him so obsessively.

          1. Replace the word “Netanyahu” with ”Jews” – How does it look now? How do you know that he is corrupt “to the core”? What do you know about him beyond what has been published in the media, which of course is mostly gossip and lies and lies?

            Probably nothing. You are not following the trial because you cannot confuse a philosopher with facts. There will always be philosophical chatter that will render them irrelevant.

            When I mentioned what was revealed in the trial, I meant, of course, the manner in which the investigation was conducted, or more correctly, the stitching of the case and the plot. Even if you are right and ”Netanyahu is corrupt” (Which has not been supported by any evidence so far!), the systemic corruption of the prosecutor's office and the police is much (and much) more serious and worrying. What chance does the simple, innocent person who is caught up in this Kafkaesque system have? And why has the criminal conviction rate in Israel reached 99% (compared to 50-60% in Western countries)? Is the prosecutor's office in Israel so talented that it knows how to single out only the guilty in order to file indictments against them (as its poor excuse)?

            I would expect someone who demonstrated in front of the Chinese embassy for Falun Gong (their persecution is a crime, but they are not innocent righteous people either), to demonstrate in front of the prosecutor's office and the police in protest against the methods of plotting and fabricating cases that were exposed in them, a kind of hybrid of the Stasi, the KGB and the Securitate all together. This is not Netanyahu's problem. You too may find yourself at the center of a Kafkaesque plot from which you will not be able to escape (hello) as long as that is the nature of the system.

          2. As usual, as Mordechai says. All the talk about Bibi's "corruption" is simply mind engineering (repeat a lie a thousand times in the hope that your listeners will adopt it). You don't know Netanyahu firsthand, but only through the media. And this is corrupted by firsthand knowledge (see the entry Nachum Barnea and Arafat and from everyday actions). Rabbi Michi simply wants to be part of the "enlightened" (in their own eyes) who know this is simple and well-known to them (after all, they have no objective reality and anyway they can be convinced of this without a conscience problem). Bibi is no more or less corrupt than any politician, present or past, or military man, or judge, or lawyer, or ordinary salesman. And in fact, than any ordinary person here in this country who has no fear of God. By these standards of corruption, the judicial system and the prosecutor's office and the left in general are a thousand times more corrupt (not to mention the corruption). These are Stalin's spiritual disciples and his successors on steroids. They are the progressives. And in general, the word corruption has degenerated into prostitution. It's better not to use it anymore.

            1. Reminds me of a colleague who once said something to me about how she had no problem with Bibi, that he was allowed to think differently from her. But how did he manage to marry this crazy woman? So I asked her: What do you mean crazy? And she said: Well, everyone knows that Sarah is not normal. So I pressed her: Yes? Everyone knows? How exactly? Have you talked to her? Have you met her? Have you given her a clinical diagnosis? Her answer was simply to repeat the claim: Everyone knows she is psychotic. Certainly not convincing from someone who wants us to listen to him as the lone voice of reason in the chaos of emotional and unfounded reactions to reality (who still accuses Netanyahu's supporters of saying that nothing will convince them otherwise, but establishes without a shadow of a doubt that Netanyahu is corrupt to the core, with no connection to the investigation of these accusations that is taking place these very days).

              1. A very weak claim. Everyone knows that people have a mind and a will. Do you have proof of this? Even in halacha, it is accepted that there are things that are said and then it is assumed that they are likely true. Of course, there is never certainty, but the burden of proof is on the one who denies it. He must prove that there is some conspiracy claim here.
                Without going into clinical diagnoses, I have no doubt that this woman is unstable and suffers from many mental problems, and that we all suffer from them indirectly. What has been published about her, including recordings and testimonies, is enough. You don't need any clinical diagnosis to say this unless you intend to give a specific diagnosis. No one means that, and I assume that includes your colleague.
                In short, your colleague is absolutely right in my opinion.

              2. I assume you mean the recent explicit ruling of the court that whoever called Netanyahu mentally ill must pay them for defamation, yes?
                From the little (and that's an exaggeration) interaction I had with her, it was very difficult for me to discern instability and many mental problems, yours are completely clear because that's what the newspaper says.

              3. Well, it turns out that others have actually succeeded in doing so. Maybe there are times when it's good and times when it's bad.

              4. Sorry, but these are brain fogs. The voice here is “emanating” by people from the same camp who echo each other. There is no conspiracy here. There is simply a bunch of idiots and spineless people here. There is simply a desire to belong to the right society and it is simply like a hoe in a hoe. The fact that a person was recorded shouting when he is angry means that you will have to say that all women are crazy (this is how it is perceived by men anyway). And the multitude of testimonies are played according to the ego needs of the witness when he wants to get publicity in the media. And if Netanyahu sent her to interview someone, it is apparently related to matters of loyalty (to Netanyahu or the people of Israel. Today, every officer (at least those of senior rank) is suspected until proven otherwise of disloyalty to the Jewish people), which women actually understand very well.

                His colleague is not only not right, she is not even wrong. According to her response, she is clueless and that's it.

              5. But why are you dealing with the issue of “this woman” ?
                Why did they deal with Sonia Peres in such a minor way? Not everything went smoothly there either.
                There is no doubt that the press
                is against Netanyahu, so they attacked his family. I hope that at least our Rabbi sees that

              6. Obviously there are biases, but that's the definition of Kla Dala Pesik. And it comes from his people who served in his office and in his immediate environment. So it seems to me that the people who are burning everything here are not them.

              7. This is a response to Rabbi Michi in the thread that started in the first response but there is no longer room to write and the site does not post the answer there. :

                Wow, you really showed me what it is. Very mature: “No. You yourself are a weak-minded”
                Sorry, but this is nonsense. I knew you meant his conflicts with his office staff. All these people from his office sang to the media what it wanted to hear for publicity or promotion. From the swindler Bennett to the couple who jump from party to party of Boogie and Boogie himself. They all showed a lack of loyalty to the Jewish people or betrayed their voters in order to receive approval from the left that controls the state bureaucracy and its institutions. People without a spine. Of course they hate Netanyahu for his centralism, but why betray the Jewish people? Why this lack of spine? In addition to the fact that none of these people are credible to me, the words corruption or madness have no meaning at all when they come out of the mouths of anyone who is interviewed by the media or from media people, especially when it comes to Netanyahu or the right-wing. These words have become prostitutes with them. You can inflate anything to sell what you want to sell. It's called mind engineering. There's no point in not doing it. It belongs in a society that has a certain degree of objectivity (which stems from some kind of connection between its members). Which is not the case in our case. There's a collection of a bunch of smart people and liars with every fiber of their being. It's not even a conspiracy because they tell themselves a story and then choose to believe it. Like lawyers or salespeople. “If you believe it, it's not a lie” as George’ Costanza said. I don't understand why the rabbi doesn't see it. It seems as if he wants to be in touch with them (after all, for them it is an axiom that Netanyahu is corrupt. It is a core belief that precedes the world. And anyone who dares to reflect on it is either crazy or an infidel). Maybe he wants to sell them his wares. So I tell him it is not worth it. I despise this bunch of these intellectuals. You should stay away from them. I do not agree with them and do not agree on anything in matters of politics or Netanyahu. There is no truth in their world. See the stupid cries about the ” death of democracy” by Lapid, the great philosopher, and by Gantz. Levin's ” revolution” is in essence the return of the situation before the coup of the great dictator (and lacking self-awareness) Aharon Barak. It seems that there is no connection at all between their words and reality. In these matters, they are not considered human beings at all and are not counted in a non-committal blasphemy (which certainly does not apply to referring to a blasphemy that comes from haters of the person being criticized or from someone who wants to be liked by the haters). The Haredim rightly distinguished themselves from them.

  2. The amendment to the Anti-Discrimination Law only permits discrimination on the grounds of religion (which we all know is the Orthodox Jewish religion).
    According to the example given by the initiator of the law (Rotman), a religious Jew could refuse to rent a room in a hotel to get better.

    It is clear to us all that the law will not allow a hotel owner to host ultra-Orthodox/religious/settlers.

    So this is not the law of the jungle that will allow anyone to behave in a disgusting manner with their private property, but rather a law that will allow unilateral discrimination.

    I will mention that Itamar Ben-Gvir is currently suing a private company (Facebook) to let him publish his opinions and thoughts according to the Anti-Discrimination Law.

    1. I have not yet seen a formal wording, and it certainly has not been accepted. But the criticisms of it do not assume such wording, and therefore all my words stand. If a law is indeed proposed and passed that permits discrimination only on the basis of religion, then my words will also be directed against it.
      What is ”clear to all of us” is the plural of malchut, I understand. The meaning is to you, and to you only.

      1. The initiator of the law, Rotman, is leading the campaign to legally ban the imposition of a boycott on settlements.

        The same Rotman says that the law he is initiating will allow a hotel owner not to host a Tev.

        If I combine the two Rotmans, the one who creates laws prohibiting the boycott of settlement products and the one who passes a law allowing the boycott of Tev, the picture is very clear.

        It is true that the Supreme Court once blocked such an unequal law, but that is why they invented the override clause.

        Let us recall that the coalition agreements added a ban on ‘racism’ and ’incitement’ against Haredim, so one would have to be very naive to believe that Rotman's law would allow a hotel owner to ban entry of Haredim and Tev alike.

  3. Wow, every word! Can I be your follower? (The “make me a child” dussie). You also managed to convince me about the discrimination law, even though my criticism of it is that the law as explained by Rothman and Struck was not at all convincing (I heard Struck and Rothman, they were not able to convince me as you did here. It is a fact that I needed this article to agree with it), and when the law is not explained well, it attracts negative reactions because there is already great hostility and disinformation towards every step of the government, so that a misinterpretation of the law can only lead to further alienation, deepening hostility, blasphemy, and so on.

    1. They explained exactly what I wrote here, and with great clarity. I heard it with my own ears. But you probably weren't willing to really listen to them, as is customary in our districts. I'm glad you read this column with a willingness to listen.

  4. You assume there will be a pendulum that will return the situation to normal.
    My concern is that because of demographics there will be no pendulum and in fact this government will take small steps and the one after it will continue to go in the same direction in small steps and in a few years the reality will no longer be nice.
    Orit Strok said in an interview that she thinks a doctor will be allowed not to give fertility treatment to a gay man.
    I think she is more interested in the Palestinian issue – I wonder if she is sitting down and someone who is afraid of Palestinian culture is allowed not to have an Arab child.

  5. An opportunity has arisen to drive change in the legal system. To do this, we will indeed have to swallow a few frogs, most of which (like the economic conduct of the Haredim) we have been eating with appetite for many years. It is all a question of the importance of this reform. In my opinion, it is worth it. The same applies to the nature of the reform: it is not perfect, but the situation after it will be much more balanced than the current one. The rest will be corrected over time, as in any pendulum process. The distinction you made between discrimination against a person and refusal to provide service is of course correct, and the ethical position is also agreed upon in my opinion (refusing to provide service is okay and refusing a person is bad). However, there is a hidden assumption here that something bad should be dealt with by law, and it is not. Except in extreme cases (refusing to provide an essential service to a person), such things should be dealt with in the free market, out of pocket. State intervention is morally wrong, creates legalization of gray areas, and neuters the ability of the invisible hand to handle matters, for example by boycotting consumers. We don't need that.

  6. Quote: ” And a distinct and active leftist, with whom we surprisingly reached very broad agreements ”

    What is the wonder? That you reached an agreement with a leftist? Is he much more leftist than the other”?

  7. So a few corrections:

    First of all, they did not stop the termination of the 2nd and 3rd generation networks in the end. The Haredim gave it up in exchange for canceling the reform of Hendel's kosher cell phones.
    The Arabs are the enemies of the people of Israel, some in practice and some by force. They have no choice in this regard. (Like the rest of the Gentiles. When it comes to hating Israel, Gentiles have no free choice at all, let alone the wild and barbaric Arabs)
    In my opinion, the secular leftists (this is unnecessary. Religious leftists are an oxymoron) are not loyal to the people of Israel. They work consciously or unconsciously for the god of equality and anti-racism. And because of that, I am very happy that the money of these mindless, mindless fools who have no commitment to the Jewish people, instead of going to my enemies who will use it against me (in general, it should be said that an educated Arab is a murderer with more abilities. A German, let's say. Maybe civilized, but he will hate you no less than the Nazis), should go to the Haredim who at least have not lost their common sense and basic sanity.
    There is no point in complaining to the Haredim. What do you want them to ask for besides budgets? They do not believe in this country and they have no policy on any issue of foreign or security, etc., and apart from money, they have nothing to gain from being part of the government. So that is what they are asking for. It is normal supply and demand. They did not extort or threaten or take it by force. It is the choice of the secular public and its representatives to give them freedom of choice. They are the ones who work for the god of empty democracy. Equality instead of justice. So let them come up with their own arguments. Of course, if they do this, then we can happily also deny the Arabs the right to vote. I am actually very much in favor. But the left will not be willing to give up on that in life.
    All the accusations of corruption are of course the desired assumption. Those who accuse of corruption are the people of the left who have no concept of truth at all (postmodernism). As soon as someone does not please them, they will invent facts (under the auspices of the police and by threatening to falsely accuse witnesses) or they will invent norms and believe in them with all their hearts (since there really are no objective norms and facts).
    The truth is that there is no morality, justice, or sanity on the left. There is nothing in them. They are completely empty. Only a lust for power and power without taking responsibility. There is no point in talking about desecrating the ’ because of what they will think of us because they do not think. The left complains about forcefulness, but it is a thousand times more forceful than its communist fathers and also lacks awareness in relation to this (which is even worse).

    In short, this column is yet another (sophisticated) mind engineering under the guise of so-called objectivity

    Wishing the people of Israel success against their enemies

    1. I will qualify my words and say that I don't really know if there is mind engineering here (even on the left, I don't know if they are aware of the mind engineering on their part), but I don't think this column is logical (and therefore not objective). I have no idea how it is possible to prefer Haredim over Arabs. I really don't. Everything that is bad in the eyes of the rabbi in the Haredim exists in the Arabs squared. They may have still been a little nice once before, but as soon as they feel that they have power here, the blackmail will skyrocket. And even if they manage to impose their culture/religion on the Jews, they will be very happy about that too (as is seen in their other countries). They are not a particularly liberal public. And I don't know what the Arab public's contribution to the TLP is, while I do know very well what its contribution to crime is. And in general, what sense does it make to invest in the Arabs? Even if in some illusory world they desperately want to take care of themselves instead of hating us, they will still be indifferent to our fate (will they join us to protect us from our haters?). So why should we invest in them and what kind of investment is this? With a negative return? Where is the logic?

  8. You didn't address the override clause, which theoretically would allow the Knesset to enact any law it wants to pass without external criticism or rejection by the Supreme Court. For example, they could pass a law to destroy a specific person and his family and burn them alive, a law to cancel elections and appoint a dictator for an unlimited period, a law that would allow a prime minister to declare war and open the door for a crazy leader who would one day declare war on the entire world. A law that would grant a certain group privileges, and even define them as citizens while the rest of the people would be defined as subjects without rights, and other crazy laws.

    1. I didn't address many other things. My concern here is not a detailed criticism of the entire legal initiative. But an argument based on extreme cases is a weak argument. There is no organized system that can withstand extreme cases. Overcoming extreme cases requires a violent revolution, and that's it.
      Take as an example the current situation, which in your eyes is better, that is, in which a forceful takeover is not possible. But here you see that it is possible in this situation as well. After all, it is being carried out now. But it requires one more step (to carry out Yariv Levin's reform, and from now on to declare an eternal dictatorship). So what? It's not a fundamental difference.

      1. Both Amit Segal and Friedman and Talia Einhorn and Irit Linor smugly disdain the extreme cases with the Ginigs ’ If they want to eliminate all the Ginigs then no court will help” But that is not an argument. Because the extreme case is intended for illustration only. However, there are many intermediate levels – And there a court will help!

        1. Rothman himself clarified the matter, and I heard it myself, and I assume that extreme libertarianism was his starting point that was tempered during the discussion. In any case, that is not what the proposed law is about. No one would think of allowing a blanket libertarian permit, and it would not pass.
          And by the way, I do not categorically rule out this libertarian position either. But that is a different discussion.

      2. Apparently, Michael Derbenu gave an example from an extreme case, which is a weak argument. He disagrees with Judge Barak.
        His Honor, Judge Barak, argued against Judge Alon:
        “And if the secular majority decides to revoke the right to vote for religious people – Even then we will not intervene ” ?
        Judge Alon replied: In such a case, it does not matter what we both rule.
        The things appear in the book “His Honor” on Judge Barak. You can see them here.
        https://books.google.co.il/books?id=LwwpQ9OJ5pQC&pg=PA234&lpg=PA234&dq=%D7%94%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%97+%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9F+%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9F+%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%A7&source=bl&ots=_mm-9LcTOe&sig=ACfU3U1 ZcR_adyP3SGJRAyBJ_U5_tAAeGw&hl=iw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwizkePQqL38AhXYSfEDHQORBXUQ6AF6BAgHEAM#v=onepage&q=%D7%9 4%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%97%20%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9F%20% D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9F%20%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%A7&f=false

        1. Alon's stupid argument. It is clear that if there is a powerful group that decides to break us all by force, there is nothing to do but force. The question is how to prevent processes that are carried out within the framework of the law.

          1. Hello again,
            So here is Prof. Talia Einhorn using it at minute 9:30 (if the Knesset wants to extend its term indefinitely, no court will help) and so is Daniel Friedman and so is Amit Segal – a logical fallacy!
            The one who raises the bar of the legal world

            https://youtu.be/IkhdmZOdmcQ

            And if he has time, there are more lectures by Eyal Gross and Zvi Kahane that represent the prevailing opinion

          2. Alon claims what you claim.
            Barak brought the extreme example that you dismiss –
            It seems to me that there is a clerical error here

              1. I was referring to Rabbi Michael Avraham's response.
                He wrote “Alon's stupid claim”.
                But the claim “What if…” was raised by Barak.
                Probably a scribal error by our Rabbi

  9. In the case of the Supreme Court, Benjamin Ze'ev will be a prey to the Tshp's attack

    We have already learned from the Law of the Law in column 287 that a huge clash between the Supreme Court and the Knesset/government is a kind of 'rabbit game' in which each party pulls the rope to intimidate its opponent in order to improve its negotiating position. No one really thinks about 'breaking the rules'.

    Here too, the two Benjamins, Gantz and Netanyahu, really want to sit together in the government, but both are limited by their voters. This is subordinated to the demand of their voters for a 'right-wing government on the whole', and this is subordinated to the demand of their voters for 'just not Bibi'. And both are waiting for a ’national crisis’ that will allow them to establish an ‘emergency unity government’. Last time it was the ‘corona crisis’ and today it is the ‘threat to the judiciary’ that will allow them to connect out of ‘compulsion and lack of choice’ 🙂

    With greetings, Yaron Elimelech Zorkin Al-Zahavi

  10. Who cares about things, agrees with the criticism in both directions.
    Following the public “discourse” is probably a waste of time, loud and hysterical responses will always outweigh things said with moderate thought and consideration.
    The more disturbing thing to me, as a Jew who lives in the country and wants it to succeed, is that the demographic trend is clear, the Haredim and the Haredim are growing exponentially. On the other hand, the left is dwindling, with the younger generation looking for relocation. The mainstream in Israel has already changed direction accordingly, and there is no reason to assume that this trend will reverse.
    As someone who lives in a religious community, I have seen for 20 years how the dynamics tend to favor the extremists, because liberals will not fight fiercely for their perception. And the silent majority, silent…
    I have difficulty seeing a forecast in which the country produces a sane mainstream.
    I wish I were dead.

  11. In the case of the Bnei Yaakov group, 1983

    But the problem is a real problem. Just as the situation in which the court turns itself into a legislative authority, which makes all the decisions of the elected institutions conditional on the hands of a handful of jurists, is intolerable, so is the situation in which basic laws are changed according to coalition needs.

    And we have already seen in the previous government the tyranny of the majority, that the opposition factions needed the intervention of the High Court to receive adequate representation in the Knesset committees, and how the wives of the cadets were saved from the reduction of the discount in the dormitories, thanks to a High Court decision that determined that a cut from moment to moment that does not allow for organizing is unreasonable.

    Perhaps the preferred solution is that the criticism of the governing authorities be carried out by a broad elected council, whose members will be elected by the public but will serve for a long period of time and will not be able to accept a government position. For example, ninety members, of whom one-third will be elected every five years for a period of 15 years. This way, their considerations will have a dimension of stability and relevance, but also responsibility and listening to the will of the electorate. And they will constitute a ‘Upper House’ that will oversee the relevance of the considerations of the various governing authorities.

    With a blessing, Iz”H

    Thus, Jacob, in his blessing, corrects Joseph's exclusive preference. He creates a balance in leadership between Judah the legislator and warrior and Joseph the hermit of his brother

    1. One of the ills of the legal system is the transfer of jurisdiction in fateful matters to a single judge. The Attorney General has the authority as a single judge to file an indictment or close a case; the Chairman of the Elections Committee can as a single judge decide whether to impose a censure or not; and the President of the Supreme Court can predetermine the decision because he has the exclusive right to determine the composition of the judges hearing each petition. It would be appropriate to follow the advice of the sages: "Do not be a single judge."

      Best regards, Eliza

    2. It is also presumptuous to think that devils who lack experience and professionalism will determine what is reasonable and what is not in the fields of foreign affairs and security, economy and health, etc. An effective oversight body should be divided into committees for each field in which experts and those with experience will sit alongside elected officials, and together they will have the tools to reasonably examine the reasonableness of the decisions of state authorities.

      Best regards, Yanai Elimelech Zwiblinger-Dishonsky

  12. As an Abrecht, I feel a certain discomfort from what you mentioned, but I still can't explain it enough. Maybe you can help me answer the following questions:
    A. A scholarship of 500 or even 1000 shekels doesn't really support a household, so this is not what causes the Abrecht to not enter the labor market.
    B. It is also clear that the Haredim spend much less and are satisfied – relatively – with little. The economic conduct is also institutionalized and organized (Gem”im and the like). Maybe this is not parasitism but correct economics?
    C. The government also funds unproductive studies such as history studies and the like. Is a history professor also a parasite?

    1. Here is free help.
      A. Who said that this would prevent the Abrevet from entering the labor market? An increase in the scholarship will change the number of people leaving. This is not a deterministic cause.
      B. This is not sound economics for several reasons. Here are two: They contribute nothing to the GDP, even if they themselves are doing well. They receive support at the expense of all of us and from this they manage their ‘proper economy’.
      C. There is a difference in quantity and a difference in selection. In the kollels, no one checks who is suitable and who is doing what is required of them, and they do not limit the quantities. What history professors are there in universities? A reasonable dose of students is very positive and I am completely in favor. I referred to the column that deals with this.
      I hope I helped you understand.

  13. Thank you Michael. I've been very anxious the last few weeks and you've really managed to put some order in my thoughts.
    You're doing a real holy work.

  14. Peace and blessings.
    After reading from Risha to Sipa and from Mispa to Risha, I raised a clay pot in my hand and risked that the main thing is missing from the book.
    The correctness of the above thoughts is not new and the new is not correct.
    As a former atheist and a person (trying as much as I can) who is currently observant of the commandments - may God have mercy on him - I have every hope that apart from attacking an entire group that is not useful (an old argument. The facts are different but we will not go into trivialities) your intentions are good.
    With the greeting of Shabbat Shalom.

  15. Just a factual correction: The riots of 1987 did not happen under Bennett and Smotrich, who were in opposition at the time. They definitely happened under Bibi.

  16. The problem with this column is not the facts in it, but the field in which it takes place: ideological criticism of political conduct.
    This is inherently ‘correct’ criticism, much like an economist's criticism of going to expensive restaurants.

    In the political world, people behave in a political manner. This is not particularly new.

    In this context: the letter from the ’rabbis’ (in the absence of another name) against the government, which the rabbi signed, does not correspond at all with this column, and constitutes cooperation with the (demagogic and false) hysteria of the opposition. It is very unfortunate and very sad to see that even when there is so much worthy criticism of the government, the leaders of the religious-liberal public choose to do everything to become a ridiculous sub-niche of Meretz (and in the process succeed in gathering together both the evils of the coalition and the evils of the opposition, and this without political constraints).

  17. People go to his classes and buy his books, unlike your friend who studies for himself and produces no product. I find it hard to believe that these two simple facts have disappeared before your eyes. He doesn't need to advance the world of science, it's enough that people want to pay money to hear what he has to say in order to associate him with the group of productive people, and it doesn't really matter whether you think his words are "contributory" and "valuable" or not (as long as there is a public willing to pay for his content). And if your opinion stands, then you should simultaneously criticize everyone who doesn't contribute to a breakthrough in computer science and physics, including Netflix and Walt and every science fiction and romance writer and consider them "parasites", which is beyond my understanding.

  18. Ofri Ilani is the correspondent for intellectual fads in Haaretz (he is actually a very nice person and I have published several notes on his blog and Gal Katz's, Eretz Hamori). As such, his words should be taken with a grain of salt, on the one hand, but on the other hand, he certainly knows how to identify intellectual fads. Unfortunately, there are elements of blasphemy in this coalition, even though I elected it and I support the steps I hope it will take against the legal system. In this context, it is clear that from an economic perspective, this is a coalition of the ultra-Orthodox left with libertarian elements for decoration.

  19. Rabbi Michael Avraham is apparently a nice person and perhaps for this reason he finds it difficult to accept the situation in Israel. Today, Israel is a Khomeinist state in the making, similar to the Shabbats, Nazism, Khomeinism, the Haredim, and similar episodes in the history of Israel and the nations. What all of this has in common is the inability of good, solid, and educated people to understand that Smotrich’ and Rabbi Yehoshua Shapira are no longer unsympathetic types but rather figures like Savonarola, Mussolini, and Saddam Hussein. The only way to deal with them is with a lot of force, as much force as possible, legal and illegal, until their complete defeat.

  20. In my opinion, you are mistaken in understanding Rothman. He is in favor of discriminating against people, not services. And according to him, a grocery store owner is allowed to refuse to sell a round stick of gum to get better. And ”market forces” will be the ones to condemn the grocery store owner.
    Re: Quote from an interview with him. He is influenced by and a member of libertarian conservative groups in the US (What does that have to do with the spirit of Israel, Grandpa? What does it have to do with elementary education at Gan Bracha to be a good person? Petty)

    https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/sjuaknh5j

    “When Rothman was asked whether a religious hotel owner could choose not to host a group of gays, he replied: “Yes, if it goes against his faith and hurts his religious feelings” – and causes a stir….

    My principled position is that a law prohibiting discrimination in products and services should apply to the state and public service providers with a monopoly, and not to private businesses. A private business that will do as it pleases, and I believe in market forces that will ensure that arbitrary discrimination against people does not pay off.

    1. And on Twitter he wrote arrogantly:
      “Let's make it simple.

      “Freedom means that people can do things I don't like.

      Freedom of expression means that you can also say unkind things about religious people, Arabs, or LGBT people.

      Freedom of occupation means that a person can also behave badly towards customers, and boycott or not, and the customer base will punish him or not.

      That's freedom. Shocking, right?”

      The media/center left/soft right –
      Not just hysterical!

    2. He is not in favor of discrimination, he is in favor of a person's freedom to provide service to whomever he wants. Just as you don't have to buy from someone, so is he. If it's okay or not, it's not the government's business to interfere in it, and it's society's responsibility to take care of what's good. The left (communism) is a control freak who wants to control everything. And so it turns out that I agree with you regarding the state and public service providers or monopolies of all kinds. The left is hysterical about exactly that.

      1. Correction: Just as you don't have to buy something from someone, so they don't have to sell you something or give you a service for any reason. If it's okay but it's not, it's not the government's business to interfere in it, and it's society's responsibility to take care of the good.

        In fact, this is my principled opinion. In practice, the consequences of discrimination against a person should be examined (as opposed to discrimination against a service, which should certainly be allowed) and based on that, decide whether to prohibit it by law or not. Like prostitution and drugs, which in principle I oppose being prohibited by law, but in practice, because there is crime, health damage, and death around prostitution and drugs, so I support them being prohibited by law (but I oppose, for example, prohibiting prostitution and the use (not knowing) of soft drugs (again, after examining the health damage that the state will then have to finance their treatment))

        1. I'm not with you, it's extreme, there is no symmetry between the recipient of a service and the provider of a service. The origin of the law is in the Saletskia that they did in clubs, (not that I'm in Blaine who knows how much, but it happened that they filtered me). What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man – and therefore the law is basically good, and there was no hidden hand and no market forces that condemned the phenomenon and did not prevent selection in clubs for those who do not look like northerners – and they did not have the patience and resources to build their own clubs. Forget it. Get off of it. It has nothing to do with the left and the right.
          And what is even more puzzling to me, is that religion is not so libertarian that in its details a person who is honest in his own eyes will do, but on the contrary, it goes into every detail and educates the person, so I do not understand this radicalization of the party that appropriates religious Zionism for itself

          1. Why leave and why get off. This is what I also believe in. And this is what the economic and political right is built on (the freedom to associate and live as a people that prefers its members over others). It is forbidden to impose by law on “what is hated by you”. Unless there is a Torah state (which is mistakenly called a Halacha state). The Almighty is responsible for enforcing this commandment through reward and punishment. Or a Sanhedrin that can amend regulations. Religion is not libertarian because there is a God and his commandments are like natural laws that those who violate them are punished with consequences. But those who violate the laws of nature are not punished in our courts because reality itself punishes them.

            It was bad that they prevented selection from clubs. And whoever wants to enter such a club, I have no mercy on him if it prevents him by selection. I personally don't want to be a member of a club that wants me as its member or a club that builds its prestige through empty selection (which has no content except that it accepts few people). This is part of the emptiness of the secular world (not necessarily sociological. I mean a world in which there is no God and only humans. Many religious and ultra-Orthodox people also live in such a world)

            1. I don't see how this relates to the laws of nature. In halacha, there are punishments for a fall. It's not like a person who ignores gravity and jumps off a roof, where he is not punished after being convicted of a fall.

              Such an approach to Torah and commandments, that the laws of halacha are laws of nature and a person is harmed by transgressing them, and is not truly judged, is an esoteric approach of the Maimonides and the extreme rationalists on the one hand, and of certain Kabbalists on the other.
              And there too (at least according to the Maimonides) he does not harm himself by transgressing the laws of halacha, but at most prevents himself from achieving enlightenment. And this does not apply to everyone, and a person can achieve them even without halacha.

              This is also not similar to transgressing the laws of nature.

              Likewise, even when there is no fall, there are sanctions that apply to sinners, such as a raiser and a lower one, excommunications, seeing them as converts and gentiles, and so on.

              1. Okay. This is a bit of a long topic. The perception is that the poor in the land are like messengers of God to create evil from among us. If we don't do this, God will judge us all as a collective and we will all be guilty of the individual's sin due to our tacit support of his actions.

                God's punishment is like the laws of nature. Chlorome is like a person jumping off a roof. Only there is a distance between the (visible) result and the act. It is more like the law of nature (statistical) that those who eat unhealthy food will eventually get sick. It is a biological law of nature. There is also the possibility of repentance. That is, the disease can be reversible (as long as we have not reached a certain threshold. Death for example) if the person changes his ways

              2. So it's not like violating the laws of nature. It's true that a corrupt society can be "punished" and destroyed, but we don't see anything similar here.

                It's hard to see justice as collective in reality. Maybe you can argue that it's after death, but there it's for the individual and it's hard to see how such a thing is possible. Except that you claim that individuals will be held accountable for their silence. But here it's hard to see what the individual's responsibility is for public law.

                In any case, it's not libertarianism.

                And it's not at all like the approach of the socio-economic right.
                There's also an approach that a Jew who doesn't believe and actively leaves Judaism is seen as a gentile and won't be punished.

                With unhealthy eating, even if a person suddenly starts eating healthy, he doesn't erase his unhealthy eating.
                It's hard for me to see violating the halakha as violating the law of nature. Perhaps for the approach of extreme rationalists as I said, but in their view it is not a violation of the law, but a person who lives incorrectly.

                The law is mostly a law in the legal sense, with punishment for those who violate it. The punishments of the world receive even more attention than the punishments of heaven, which no one has any idea what they are, what is after the death of the body, how the trial goes, whether there is a trial at all or whether a person causes harm to his soul, whether there is reincarnation or union with the active mind, and more.

                There are dozens of different approaches and methods and sub-approaches and speculations.

              3. It's like going beyond the laws of nature, which include the spiritual nature (the laws of the spiritual world), which of course has a connection to the physical world. What's the problem with formulating a statistical law of nature? (A statistical law like the laws of thermodynamics when they are formulated within the framework of statistical mechanics) Is there no such thing as laws of biology and laws of medicine? Does smoking cause lung cancer with a high probability? And I told you that in biology there is also the possibility of making a repentance (start eating healthy), but that too up to a certain threshold. And so it is in Halacha

                I am not at all arguing with you about matters of Judaism (which you are apparently not a religious person and have insufficient familiarity with). This is the accepted view that the individual is responsible for the actions of the many among whom he lives and is punished for it by the laws of heaven. This is explained in the Midrash on the parsha of Nitzavim, and for this the Moav Covenant was made. And in the teachings of Kabbalah there is a detail of these matters of providence. Like a cell in an organism that is sick and dies alone with the organism even if it itself was not personally sick. Maybe you don't know, but from what I have seen, it seems that the recipients did know about these matters of providence (they were the biologists of the organism that is the people of Israel) and knew about the connection between individual sins and the disease of the whole (as in statistical mechanics). And I am certainly talking about this world and not after death, which is related to the judgment of each individual person individually. But a community does not die.

              4. In short, this is indeed not libertarian, but I am not talking about Torah law, but rather about the law of the land. In general, the Torah laws of mutual guarantee are not socialism; they are intended for Jews according to Halacha and for those who do not convert. The Hadith guarantee is derived not from equality and all sorts of nonsense like that, but from the understanding that we are one organism and we must work for the good of the whole (the body), and this is expressed in the fact that we must also see the good of other individuals, but not because they are different, but because it is the good of the body, just as cells in the body produce substances that will go to all the cells of the body according to their function in the tissue to which they belong. And according to this, by the way, there are those who forbid giving gifts to Gentiles and doing favors with them because it is a waste of the body's resources to foreign bodies. In fact, according to the Torah, when I do good to other Jews, I am actually doing good to myself in light of the perception of this organism. According to libertarians, there is also freedom to unite as a people and a family, and this imposes restrictions and constraints, and this does not contradict libertarianism.

              5. But it is difficult to see reward and punishment in this world, certainly at the level of society. Even statistically, I do not see a difference between a society that lives a Jewish life and a society of gentiles or Jews who do not observe the Halacha. It is accepted that reward and punishment are in the next world, and even laws that state reward in this world, Chazal demanded that their reward be in the next world (such as honoring father and mother - so that your days may be prolonged).

                You claim that this is a statistical law, but can you point to an example? Or provide evidence?
                Making claims without reference is not serious.
                That is, given a society that commits a certain sin, say desecration of the Sabbath, what is the probability that a certain bad thing will happen to them, and what is that bad thing?
                What is the average percentage of victims? What is the variation and standard deviation?
                If the society falls and not the individual is punished, then what is the probability that that society will collapse?

                In what way were those Kabbalists right?

                When you claimed a certain threshold, you mentioned death. That's why I assumed it was a judgment after death. If the judgment is in this world, then what does death have to do with it?

                I try to think rationally and don't accept any claim that a person makes without evidence. From what I understand, that's also the essence of this site.
                But the discussion isn't about me or you, so let's not go in those directions.

              6. Now that you've clarified my understanding. I thought you were claiming that the Torah is libertarian.

                But I don't think the division here is dichotomous. In other words, whatever is not socialism is capitalism and vice versa.
                These are modernist ways of thinking and ideologies. Judaism preceded them and cannot really be attributed to one of the patterns. Certainly in an agricultural biblical society, or an urban society that lives among the Gentiles and doesn't concern itself too much with social and economic issues beyond the community.

                Also, in your opinion, is a concept of mutual guarantee, support for the weak and increasing taxes on the rich, from the concept that all humans are one organism and all humanity is one human tissue and one body, not socialism?
                After all, here too, issues of equality do not come into play as you present it.

                In my opinion, there is no difference in what the actions on the ground stem from.
                In my opinion, increasing taxes, tax brackets, welfare policies are moderate socialism, nationalizing property and the means of production is “heavy” socialism,
                Economic freedom, minimal state intervention in the economy, low taxation and reducing regulators is capitalism.
                It doesn't matter if what leads to this is a desire for equality, just envy of the rich, taking into account weak populations that vote the opposite of what you vote, because that's what it says somewhere, or a perception that we are all one human tissue or alternatively from a perception that sees the individual at the center. Or even just the pragmatism of bringing society to economic prosperity.
                In my opinion, the Haredim are much closer to socialism than to capitalism. And even in religious Zionism I don't really see capitalism.
                From the way I see it, there is no big difference between the right and the left in Israel (except perhaps the extremes) and even in the world it is sometimes difficult to see the differences.
                And many people who boast about one approach act contrary to the same approach they take.

              7. By the way, Judaism also refers to the Gentiles and commands them to impose the 7 commandments of the sons of Noah. When Israel's hand is strong, it is obligatory to impose. How does this fit in with libertarianism and the right of the Gentiles to form their own society?
                From the libertarian point of view, it is their right to work for them, from the Jewish point of view, it is obligatory to kill them and smash their idols. And this does not even require a Jewish law.

              8. To answer all of this (the ways of providence versus what our eyes see) I would have to write a book and even then it would be a complete lie.
                The entire doctrine of Kabbalah is about this..

                It would probably be more complicated than biology, and it is itself many times more complicated than physics (biological systems are infinitely more complex than simple physical systems).
                One can only assume that systems that include things like free choice together with the responsibility of an individual for the whole would be even more complicated. In any case, I'm just saying that today's situation (which supposedly has no providence) is the worst there is. If God punishes someone, it is in order for them to repent (this is something supernatural) and then the punishment will turn into a reward (supernatural in itself). Indifference is the worst. In other words, being subject to the laws of nature without the ability to transcend them is death in and of itself. Reward and punishment in this world are only for one collective with Israel (not any community, etc.). And there are many things that take precedence in matters of reward and punishment that take precedence over keeping the Sabbath (as in matters of medicine, where treatment for that person is prioritized according to what is most critical to him. According to his medical condition. For example, if he has no pulse and is bald, then resuscitation precedes his baldness). So there is one sin (the nullification of a positive commandment in essence) that takes precedence over all the commandments between man and God (even though all the commandments are for man and God) and that is gratuitous hatred (the nullification of a commandment and loving your neighbor as yourself). Of course, there are sins such as murder, theft, etc. that take precedence over gratuitous hatred, but it can also lead to these in the Torah. Regarding the evidence (what is related to my personal experience) and the other things I raised, I will continue to answer you tomorrow, God willing.

      2. Until he sees a Haredi and then becomes more of a Bolshevik than Stalin. His tweets on Twitter betray him. He is not a libertarian. Far from it.

        1. I have no interest in discussing the man (I don't know him personally and I don't have Twitter, etc.). I have an interest in discussing principles. After all, the war is over libertarianism, not hypocrisy or lies. Hypocrisy and lies (or lack of self-awareness) are the lot of the vast majority of people. And that should indeed be fixed first. But in any case, he won't be able to enact laws that are inconsistent or unjust (there won't be public support for that even from the right-wing and religious side of the map). If a hotel owner refuses to host LGBT people because of his religious beliefs (in which case he's also forbidden to host secular people because he's violating the prohibition of nida), then it's also permissible for an anti-religious hotel owner who hates religious people (for whatever reason) not to host Haredim because of his anti-religious beliefs.

          In any case, it's intolerable that they would enact a law that prohibits hating someone. It's like making it illegal to insult people. Wait. That's already there. The courts already do this under the Basic Law ” Human Dignity and Liberty” (A person has the right to dignity). This is of course completely ridiculous. How can such a thing be enforced in an equal manner? This is a way in which left-wing judges silence right-wingers. And beyond that, it is an inhumane demand.

        2. I didn't understand the question. Where are the rights of the Jewish Sabbath-breaker who was stoned? Where did you come up with this libertarianism in Halacha?

    3. What is his opinion of a Muslim doctor who would not want to treat a person injured in a terrorist attack because he believes that jihad has been declared against him and that he is destined to die?

      1. I am not a Tzachi and my opinion was not asked, but the answer to your question from my side, although it is an extreme case, is that it depends on whether it is private or public. If it is private, I would be very happy if he did not actively try to kill me. I wish that is what all Muslims would do. If it is public, then why would Jews pay him a salary. I am really against Muslim doctors in our public health (they have many countries).

        There is nothing to be done. Natural human society and the relationship between its members is something that precedes the state or laws. You cannot live in one society if there are people who save your life because the law prohibits them from saving. I want to live and am ready to live only with people who want to save me, not because of some law, because I am like family to them. Part of libertarian freedom is the freedom to associate and live as a family or as a people. Of course, this denies some of the personal freedom, but the choice to deny this personal freedom was made freely. Because there is more to gain from living with such people than living alone. This is a limitation in reality, not one that harms personal freedom. Moreover, freedom is not a goal but a means (essential and necessary), but that's another topic.

  21. Wow, you really showed me what it is. Very mature: “No. You yourself are a weak-minded”
    Sorry, but that's nonsense. I knew you meant his conflicts with his office staff. All these people from his office sang to the media what they wanted to hear for publicity or promotion. From the majority of swindlers Bennett to the couple who jump from party to party of Boogie and Boogie himself. They all showed disloyalty to the Jewish people or betrayed their voters in order to receive approval from the left that controls the state bureaucracy and its institutions. People without a spine. Of course they hate Netanyahu for his centralism, but why betray the Jewish people? Why this lack of spine? In addition to the fact that none of these people are credible to me, the words corruption or madness have no meaning at all when they come out of the mouth of anyone who is interviewed by the media or from media people, especially on matters involving Netanyahu or the right. These words have become prostitutes for them. You can inflate anything to sell what you want to sell. It's called mind engineering. There's no point in not having a comma. It belongs in a society that has a certain degree of objectivity (which stems from some kind of connection between its members). Which is not the case in our case. There's a collection of a bunch of smart people and liars with every fiber of their being. It's not even a conspiracy because they tell themselves a story and then choose to believe it. Like lawyers or salespeople. “If you believe it, it's not a lie” as George’ Costanza said. I don't understand why the rabbi doesn't see it. It seems as if he wants to be in touch with them (after all, for them it's an axiom that Netanyahu is corrupt. It's a core belief that precedes the world. And anyone who dares to reflect on it is either crazy or an infidel). Maybe he wants to sell them his wares. So it's not worth it. I despise this bunch of these intellectuals. You should stay away from them. I don't agree with them and I don't agree with anything about politics or Netanyahu. There is no truth in their world, see the stupid cries about the ” death of democracy” of the great philosopher Lapid and of Gantz. Levin's ” revolution” is in essence a return to the situation before the coup of the great dictator (and lacking self-awareness) Aharon Barak. It seems that there is no connection at all between their words and reality. The Haredim rightly separated themselves from them.

    1. It's said about fools who don't drive. It's hard to discuss drugs with people who feel a conspiratorial excuse for every fact that doesn't suit them. Just rehab from addiction to bibism. Good luck.

      1. This is not a substantive answer. It must be said that everything that is rejected in a meme is rejected. I reasoned my words well. Nor did I deny the reality of Bibi's conflicts with those who were under him. It simply says nothing about corruption, which has lost its meaning in the public anyway ("Everyone is corrupt". Why is Bibi corrupt and the judiciary and the media not? What is the difference between them? The media hides information about Nahum Barnea and Arafat, etc.) and the judiciary in general does whatever it wants without any connection to justice (a Gush Katif expatriate. There was this judge who went on the radio and was laughed at because of it) according to the same standards for the word corruption). To begin with, I do not believe leftists and those who flatter them. There is no conspiratorial excuse here. I do not agree with them and I do not disagree with them. I simply do not come into contact with them by choice. I think it is quite clear that this is not about Bibiism, but about the abhorrence of the left. And I have no interest in looking for excuses to despise anyone. This is the rabbi who repeats this mantra regardless of the facts.
        Bibiist would justify every step of Bibi's (for example, budgets for Arabs). I am most of the time angry at him because of his cowardice of the left and the world, but apparently the rabbi is not interested in the facts and he decided that hating the disloyal left is called Bibiism.
        This is exactly mind engineering
        I have excellent senses to see if someone says something (and he hasn't given the subject any thought) because he really thinks that way or because of fear of the society in which he lives so as not to be considered an exception (crazy or infidel). That colleague is an excellent example and I know a lot of leftists and they are all like that without exception. And that means demanding. I didn't think the rabbi would be one of them either.
        I don't understand what the point is in being in the middle between the right and the left and trying to find a dialogue. There is no need to force anything on everyone. As mentioned, you don't do business with fools. Why do I need a dialogue with people who are clearly clueless (the rabbi called them hysterical. They don't listen. That is, stupid)

  22. It's a little hard to criticize an article that has one thing and its opposite almost as interesting, for example, your attitude towards budgets for Arabs, in which you claim one thing and its opposite almost in the same line, a contradiction that you yourself noticed, and managed (?) to issue some lame excuse for the contradiction.
    You are probably in a period, from your point of view, where what is important to you at such a time is to play the role of the responsible adult (according to what you think expresses the role)

    1. I think your difficulty in criticizing things stems from your severe limitations in reading comprehension. Is it a lack of intelligence or typical bibliophile bias? I don't know.

    2. I'm just quoting
      “It's worth mentioning what has become clear in recent days, that this government is working to keep the cellular infrastructure from the old generations (in favor of 'kosher' phones), in a way that will not allow the country to advance to the 4th-5th generation that is needed for the fast and modern devices, which will severely harm us and also the GDP.”

      You are welcome to read that the minister actually approved the closure….

  23. Although a chasm exists between us, between our beliefs, I must admit that reading your articles is pure pleasure, always to my mind, sometimes to my heart.

  24. I lost you here
    “I didn't mention the inflammatory and corrupt Prime Minister we got again.”

    Irrelevant and using the language of the rallies

    Sorry

  25. Thanks again for the wonderful things. May you be blessed.

  26. Here are two nice examples of the discrimination paradox:
    https://g.kipa.co.il/1150213/w/

    Sharky shared: “Friends, we are going crazy. A close friend of mine, an educated and curious guy, a real bookworm, and yes, also with a beard and a kippah, is currently updating from Tel Aviv”. Sharky added a screenshot that his friend sent him in which he said, I just entered this store, the man simply kicked me out of the store. “There are no religious books here”, I tried to tell him that I didn't come for religious books, “it's a kind of statement”, when I left he gave me the thumbs up”. Sharky responded: “I am shocked”.

    Online storm: “I got rid of a right-wing ultra-Orthodox customer because I couldn't stand her opinions”
    A business owner told how she stopped providing service to a customer just because she was, in her words, “ultra-Orthodox”.
    https://www.inn.co.il/news/590007/?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&utm_content=1674564993397

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