A Chosen People – A Look at Racism (Column 445)
With God’s help
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To my friends in the Religious Kibbutz movement
One Shabbat a few months ago I touched glory. I finally felt what Shlomo Artzi must feel after the third encore at Caesarea, with a full house cheering and applauding enthusiastically. I spent Shabbat in Jerusalem with members of the Religious Kibbutz movement to talk with them about being a “chosen people,” about racism, and about the relationship between the two. In Shacharit I was called up to the Torah, and after I finished and returned to my place I was greeted with heartfelt cries of “shkoyach” from all sides all along the way back to my seat. I understood that this was duly granted to me for the moving and high-quality rendition I had just performed of the liturgical call “Barchu et Hashem hamevorach.” I felt I had truly risen to the occasion this time, and no wonder I considered going back up for an encore—alas, it turned out the next oleh had already occupied the spot, so I refrained (afushei machloket lo mafshinan—one should not multiply dispute). Needless to say, his performance was weak and pale compared with the show your humble servant had delivered. As an alternative encore, I decided to dedicate to them a column that would present what I spoke about there, and I hope this column will count as though I went up for an encore.
Around the same time (who said “Divine providence” and didn’t get it?!), I was asked in the Q&A here on the site about racism, and I promised a column about it. I’ve dealt with this more than once in the past (see columns 10, 206 and more), but the overall picture I will present here will consolidate the points into a coherent doctrine that empties the concept of racism of content—to the joy of all of us (or at least to my own joy).
Racism as I Explained to My Daughter: Racism and Factual Claims
The concept of racism suffers from severe vagueness, and its broad and careless use cheapens it. Anything that someone dislikes is called “racism,” while fashionable racism (the kind accepted in “our circles”—cf. “the racism of low expectations”) of course is not. The discourse about racism is full of slogans and demagoguery because the concept itself is very elusive, and as I will try to show here, it is doubtful whether it has any defined content at all.
Let me preface by saying that in the common use of the term “racism,” race itself is not essential. Race is one parameter, but equally, a similar attitude based on a different parameter—such as gender, age, nationality, religion, skin color, height, the first letter of one’s name, shoe size, and the like—will also be labeled with this unflattering term. But for reasons of convention and simplicity, I too will speak here mainly about racism and leave to you the obvious generalizations.
I’ll begin with a simple premise, which I assume is agreed upon by all. “Racism” is a word with a negative connotation. One can speak of it as a purely descriptive term, but that is not the connotation that interests us here. When someone or some group is accused of racism, that is a condemnation. I’ll add that even if someone thinks racism is not problematic, he must still agree that the discussion about it belongs to the ethical realm (just as an atheist who doesn’t believe in God must first define what it is he does not believe in). If so, “racism” is a term that belongs to the ethical-value field. A neutral distinction between people—i.e., a description of a difference as such, whether true or false—is not racism. An erroneous distinction between people or groups is a factual mistake, not a value failure.
I assume we’ll agree that the statement that people with black skin, on average, play basketball better than whites, or the statement that LeBron James plays (not on average) basketball better than me, the pale one, are not racist statements. These are factual descriptions. Likewise, the statement that Reuven has a higher IQ than Shimon, or that on average black people have a higher IQ than whites—even if untrue—are not racist statements. These are factual claims, except that this time it’s a fact that many people (those who attach more importance to IQ than to basketball ability) consider more significant. Similarly, the statement that black people are on average shorter, or dumber, than white people is not a racist statement. These may be untrue statements, but they are factual mistakes, and as such they cannot be considered racism.
Sometimes there is a value failure that leads to an erroneous factual distinction. For example, you don’t bother to get to know a certain group of “others” (another race), yet allow yourself to determine their general characteristics. The final product is a factual distinction (sometimes a failed one), but it arose from a value failure. Still, if at the end of the day you are asserting a factual distinction, then even if I think you are wrong, this is not racism. In other words, I won’t claim against you that you are ethically at fault, but rather that you are factually mistaken. The arguments I will raise against you will not be labels such as “racist” or “backwards,” but factual arguments on the merits. One must understand that mistakes arise for many reasons (stupidity, inattention, indifference, hatred, and the like), but in a debate about facts it is improper and irrelevant to focus on the reasons for the mistake. One should bring evidence against the position at hand, not accuse it with value-laden labels (heretic, racist, wicked, etc.).
Implication: The Common Definition of Racism
You can now see that the common definition of racism is problematic. For example, Yehouda Shenhav, in his article, brings the following definition:
Attributing inferiority, to a person or a group, by using stereotypical traits and by formulating the difference between the groups in terms of an unchanging biological essence.
He then expands this to distinctions not based on biology/race.
Also in the Encyclopedia of Ideas, similar things are written (there too cited in the name of Shenhav):
Race is a concept that defines the difference between groups of humans in terms of differences in biological and genetic development. The biological difference between races is the result of the frequency of the appearance of a dominant gene in a given race. Racism is the expression of concrete and theoretical social practices that base their attitude toward other human beings on biological and cultural differences, perceived as deterministic foundations that cannot be converted. Turning the biological (skin color), the social (country of origin), or the cultural (eating habits) into something unchangeable (Shenhav and Yona [2008]).
Racial differences do exist, but treating their bearers on the basis of these differences and viewing them as essential foundations that cannot be changed—that is racism. According to this definition, racism is essentially essentialism. Shenhav and those who share his view think that when you treat some characteristic as unchangeable, i.e., essential, you are a racist. I will get to the behavioral component of racism later.
But the question of whether certain characteristics are essential—i.e., can or cannot be changed—is a purely factual question. And again, even if someone is mistaken and thinks that these characteristics cannot be changed while in truth they can, then he is wrong about the facts. As I explained above, a mistake is not racism. Moreover, I don’t know whence the knights of the war on racism derive the confidence that every such characteristic really can be changed. That is a factual assumption and, as such, also requires justification. The assertion that any claim about the essentiality of a trait is racism is, on its face, preposterous and certainly not well-founded.
And in general, what does it mean that some characteristic is essential and cannot be changed? Do we mean that even brain surgery couldn’t change it? And if there exists a technique for skin lightening, does the racism now evaporate because it turns out that black skin is not an essential characteristic (since it can be changed)?! That’s quite odd. Today there are techniques for changing one’s sex (at least at the biological level, and I do not rule out the possibility of techniques for changing mental and psychological sex. That is certainly conceivable in principle, even if we’re not quite there yet). In principle one could also transplant a human brain into a monkey, or augment brains with chips. Does this mean that the cognitive capacity of monkeys is not an essential trait? Is the claim that there is a difference between the intellectual capacity of humans and that of monkeys racism? And in general, is a trait like intelligence changeable or unchangeable?! In commonly used terms—no. So is any reference to someone’s intelligence racism?
Consider someone who tells black people they are intellectually inferior, and therefore must undergo brain surgery to improve their intellectual capacity. I assume people would call him a dyed-in-the-wool racist—certainly by the common definitions—even though he appeals to a trait that he himself admits can be changed (by surgery). He himself is proposing a change to the “inferior” race! Or look at essentialists who hold that sex-change surgery does not truly change one’s sex, only the external (biological) appearance. They simply assume a different definition of sex. Here it’s not even a mistake but just a dispute over definitions. Can an incorrect definition (even if we grant that there is such a thing as incorrect definitions, and further assume that this particular definition is indeed incorrect) be considered racism? That is highly implausible.
Is it legitimate to treat groups differently on the basis of belief or religious affiliation? After all, that is certainly a parameter that can be changed. A person can adopt a different faith or religious affiliation and change that characteristic. Does that mean it’s permissible to discriminate between religious groups or treat them unequally? Should such treatment not be given the ethical label “racism”?
Beyond this, when it comes to species and large groups, characteristics suffer from inherent vagueness. At most one can speak of a distribution or an average of the trait in question within the group. Even if someone claims that whites are less intelligent than blacks, it is clear—even to him—that one can find black people with an IQ lower than that of some group of whites. At most he is speaking about an average. Can anyone state with certainty that the average IQ of blacks and whites is identical? From where is that datum taken? Especially if one adopts the oh-so-fashionable critique among anti-racists of intelligence tests and IQ measures. If the tests themselves are not a metric, how could one possibly know that the averages are identical across all groups, sexes, and races?
Another example is physical abilities. I mentioned the innovative claim that black players are better at basketball than white players of Hungarian origin. Is that a racist statement? It seems to me it’s a simple fact, and there is no problem stating it. And if someone says Hungarians play better (a statement that is false on average), is he a racist? Beyond that, one can of course find excellent white players and poor black players, but on average it is hard to doubt that black players are better, and I doubt how essentially changeable this is (unless we perform a comprehensive regimen of surgeries on all white-skinned people). So now I ask: is this an essential characteristic or one that can be changed? It depends on what is meant by “change” and by “essential.” In the commonly used senses one could argue this is an essentialist statement, and yet, it seems to me that it—and its opposite—are not racist statements.
Even if it were not factually true that black players play better, what’s wrong with such a statement? The same goes for a similar statement about differences in intelligence (hush—do not even mention it). These are factual claims, true or not. One can argue and bring evidence this way or that, but what does that have to do with racism?! I noted above that sometimes one reaches such conclusions because of prejudice about blacks or whites, and then there is a whiff of racism. But still, at the end of the day, there is (if anything) a mistake of fact here, and a factual claim—even if false—is not racism. In short, the principal charge against a racist is not that he is stupid (even if that is true) but that he is wicked.
Interim Conclusion
If it’s a factual claim, it should be tested against facts and observations, not against values. Values should not dictate facts. Subjecting facts to values is a fallacy—very characteristic of the postmodern era, which denies pure factuality (it was preceded by pragmatism, already disparaged here more than once). It seems to me that opponents of racism are no less, and perhaps more, prone to this than racists themselves. Both sides prefer to view reality through lenses that fit their values, and the dispute/difference is at most whether these are positive values or not. Some are comfortable seeing the world as composed of different groups, and others are comfortable identifying groups or blurring the differences between them.
Both camps speak of viewing reality through value-laden lenses (and are probably also seeing reality incorrectly), and therefore, in principle, both are wrong and misleading. We must not subordinate reality to values (that is the naturalistic fallacy). Not because it is always wrong—for necessarily one of the two opposing statements is true—but because values are not the prism through which facts should be determined. It is not reasonable to identify racism—which is a flawed ethical conduct—with views or statements that relate to facts.
Racism in the Ethical Realm: Profiling
We have seen that racism cannot be exhausted in the factual realm. A racist attitude or stance belongs to the ethical realm—that is, it is a kind of attitude toward certain groups or individuals, and not merely a factual view of differences between their characteristics (essential or not). Here we arrive at a second component (hinted at in Shenhav’s definition as well): determining an attitude toward groups or individuals according to their (essential) characteristics. To be racist requires, beyond the factual diagnosis, an attitude built upon that diagnosis. The statement that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites is not racism, but at most a false statement (or not). But giving discriminatory treatment on the basis of that statement can be considered racism. This is what is today called “profiling,” that is, determining a group’s profile according to certain characteristics (essential?), and determining a different attitude toward members of that group based on its collective profile.
But even here the path is not complete. First, we must distinguish between justified and unjustified treatment. If the treatment given to a group is justified on the basis of its profile, there is no racism. Counting only Jews for a prayer quorum (minyan) is not racism, because essentially only Jews are counted for a minyan (in my personal opinion only believing Jews count, and by that there isn’t even a whiff of racism—but even without that, it is not to be seen as racism). Admitting outstanding athletes into a competition solely on the basis of their athletic skill is not racism. The reason is that their profile is relevant to the treatment in question.
Racism or Discrimination
So what is racism after all? Determining a treatment for group X on the basis of characteristic A when A is irrelevant to the treatment in question. For example, I do not admit black people to my club because they have a low IQ, even though the club’s activities do not require cognitive skills. Racism is when I do not allow black-skinned people into the swimming pool even though their skin color bears no relation to the activity taking place there (see here and here). But even here one can wonder: what has this to do with racism? Think of a case where I’m not allowed into the swimming pool simply because they don’t feel like letting me in, or on the basis of an arbitrary lottery (they decided that one out of every three arrivals will not be allowed in, for no reason). This is discrimination that is not based on profiling and therefore certainly not racism but discrimination or exclusion.
Is there a difference between these two types of discrimination? There is—but it does not seem relevant in the ethical realm. I don’t see a difference between discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics (racism) and arbitrary or capricious discrimination. In short, the problem with racism is not the profiling but the discrimination and exclusion. My problem with someone who does not admit black people to a club or swimming pool is not his racism and his reliance on their characteristics, but that he discriminates without justification. Why should it matter whether the discrimination is based on profiling or on a lottery? Discrimination is discrimination, and it is wrong regardless of its reasons. If so, speaking about racism—which can only relate to the ethical realm—seems quite irrelevant in that very realm. There is no moral value to “not being a racist.” The value is to avoid discrimination and to treat people equally.
At most one can say that racism in the factual realm is a source that is prone to lead to unequal and discriminatory treatment. Experience teaches that when there is profiling it often leads to discriminatory treatment, but the ethical problem is the discriminatory treatment, not the racism.
Treatment of the Individual Within a Group
There are situations where profiling is done for some group, and it is assumed that if it is correct then all members of the group are characterized the same way (this is the problem of the IDF Kaba index). For example, suppose we conducted research and concluded that the IQ of some group is lower than that of others. As noted, that assertion in itself is merely a description and therefore has no racism in the ethical sense. Now we can ask about the treatment of that group: ostensibly, in contexts where IQ is relevant one may also treat members of the group in accordance with the factual findings applicable to them (not accept them to a university, or to the IDF’s Talpiot track).
The problem arises regarding a particular member of the group who is not characterized that way—i.e., who belongs to the intelligent minority within that group. Such a person is entitled to be treated on his own merits, irrespective of his group affiliation. Treating such a person on the basis of collective characteristics can be considered improper profiling, or racism. For example, what would we say about a teacher who gives a low grade to a student of Mizrahi origin just because he is convinced that, on average, students of such origin succeed less (let us assume, for the sake of discussion, that this is factually correct)? This is profiling at its worst.
But here too I will add two qualifying remarks:
- There are situations in which there is no choice but to rely on profiling, due to a lack of the means or resources required to provide individual treatment. For example, disqualifying an Arab Knesset member from sitting on the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee (or its subcommittees) can be justified if we have no tools to check his loyalty. The suspicion of disloyalty among Arabs in security matters is well-founded, and it is certainly justified to take it into account in our treatment of them. Of course, if we know of a particular person whose loyalty is clear, then there is no justification for disqualifying him. But if we have no way to check, or the check is very expensive and impractical—then this decision is entirely legitimate and involves no racism.
The same goes for security screening of Arabs at the airport (in the U.S. after 9/11, when stringent airport screenings began, there was harsh criticism of profiling. The fools wanted everyone to be checked equally. In Israel too such claims arise from time to time). But at the airport one cannot suffice with checking only the suspects, because there is not always a way to know who is suspicious, and we risk attacks that won’t be prevented. On the other hand, checking Jews is foolish because there are no Jewish terrorists (at least regarding attacks on airplanes). Stubborn opposition to profiling in these contexts is a moral confusion and reflects political correctness at its worst.
In the above Wikipedia entry, critiques of the Kaba assessment are listed, all focusing on whether the parameters by which the Kaba score is determined are relevant and whether they are biased. But the main critique—oddly not presented there—is entirely different. Let us assume, for the sake of discussion, that these parameters are relevant and not biased on average. Let us assume that residents of development towns or people of Mizrahi origin are on average less talented, less educated, or have weaker leadership skills. Any sensible person understands that in such large groups (Mizrahi, or residents of the periphery) whose members received a low Kaba score by virtue of being such, there are outliers. Are there not talented people with leadership skills who live in a development town or are of Mizrahi origin? Every person deserves treatment fitting him specifically, irrespective of his group profile. There is no justification for determining a person’s fate solely according to his group profile.
This critique is very apt, and it isn’t even guilty of political correctness. Still, in light of what I have explained here, if it is very difficult to check individual suitability directly, there can be justification for using a metric like the Kaba. Moreover, because people’s futures are at stake (in our society, military service is a gateway to many things later on), resources should be invested to try to circumvent the need for a Kaba (i.e., to test abilities individually). And indeed, a few months ago (August 2021) the IDF changed the Kaba parameters.
- Even if improper treatment is given to a person because of collective profiling—and in a case where this is unjustified (because he has exceptional traits)—the ethical problem in such treatment is not racism but discrimination and exclusion (as I have explained above). Therefore, even such a case still fails to establish a moral claim of racism. True, here one can see the significance of racism as an infrastructure for discrimination. Profiling expresses treating a person within a collective framework, and therefore it opens the door to discrimination and unequal treatment of individuals within the group. As I explained above, even in such cases racism is not an independent moral failure, but an approach that can lead to moral failures.
Interim Summary
The conclusion so far is that there is no moral/ethical flaw in racism. At most, it is an intellectual infrastructure that can lead people to discrimination and exclusion—or to inequality—and these are indeed moral flaws. Taking the name of racism in vain stems from the sensitivity created by the Holocaust and the discrimination of black people in the U.S. (as well as Mizrahim in Israel). Sometimes this is done innocently, but my sense is that sometimes it is a deliberate manipulation that tries to create an unconscious identification between discrimination and Nazism. Hence the widespread use of racial terminology, though discrimination is problematic on any ground (and even with no ground at all—arbitrary discrimination). This fallacy—beyond being a fallacy—is also a shot in the foot of the struggle against discrimination (as often happens in politically correct discourse), for if the charge against me is that I am a racist, it suffices for me to show that I am not a racist in order to escape the criticism. The relevant discussion should revolve around whether I treat people equally and without discrimination, not around whether I am a racist.
The conclusion is that “racism” should be removed from the DSM of our negative values. There is and should not be such a value there. Accusing a person or an approach of racism is a useless misdirection, and in most cases even harmful. There is no place for such a moral accusation; its use is a mistake at best and demagogic manipulation at worst.
I will now try to demonstrate this briefly through several different contexts. I have dealt with most of them here in the past, and so I will touch on them here only briefly, to illustrate the analysis offered above. Already now I note that the last example (the essentialist claim about a “chosen people”) is the only one that comes close to reflecting an ethical problem of racism—and even there it is at most a whiff of racism, not something truly solid.
A. The Nazis
Well, you could have guessed the first example would be Nazism. That’s where it all begins. The fact that the Nazis based themselves on a racial theory does not mean that racism is reprehensible—or even that it is untrue. If Jews had in fact been corrupt and harmful and greedy, would it then have been permissible to annihilate them in camps and crematoria? And if their racial theory is untrue, is the problem that they were mistaken and held a false doctrine? The problem lies in what they did on the basis of that racial theory. There is no doubt that the racial theory helped them internalize their doctrine and act upon it, but ultimately the Nazis’ moral problem was not racism but that they were unjustified murderers. What was exceptional about them was not reliance on racism but the systematic nature, form, and scale of the extermination.
No one would dream of prohibiting characterizing groups by shoe size, even if the Nazis had chosen to murder by shoe size. I suppose no one would coin the term “shoe-ist” for anyone who discriminates against others on some basis (or on no basis at all). The Nazis also wore trousers while murdering, and even used rifles. So now is it forbidden to wear trousers or to use rifles (for justified purposes)? Is anyone who shoots a deer and kills it (which is certainly not okay) now a Nazi, or perhaps a racist? The hysteria about the Nazis is understandable, but precisely because of it, drawing conclusions about everything that concerns them is riddled with deep fallacies.
B. The Haredi Attitude Toward Mizrahim
In column 206 and also here (I also recall a column about Emmanuel and now couldn’t find it), I addressed the discriminatory attitude of the Haredi sector toward Mizrahim. A clear example is the Emmanuel girls’ affair. It is well known that admission of Mizrahi boys and girls to “Ashkenazi” institutions in the Haredi sector (only there do “Ashkenazi” and “Sephardi” institutions exist) is problematic. Usually this is justified on substantive grounds (television at home, a different study style, a different halachic tradition, a different culture, different role models, and the like). One may like or dislike (mainly dislike) the division of institutions and communities in the Haredi world, but given that division I do not see a special problem in such relevant distinctions. An institution that chooses to educate its students that Rabbi Shach is the greatest in the universe and all others are naught, or that educates toward the Lithuanian ethos and voting for Agudat Yisrael and not otherwise, without television and without Western culture, with Hasidic songs and not Mizrahi ones, and so on—such an institution is indeed expected and reasonable to refrain from admitting Mizrahi students. This is a completely substantive distinction, with not a whiff of racism. The choice to see these parameters as important—defining the educational direction—is of course odd to me and I don’t like it, but at most it is foolishness, not racism.
One could certainly argue that if students were checked individually it would turn out that there are Mizrahi students who meet the relevant criteria (revere Rabbi Shach, listen only to Hasidic music, and learn Torah in the Lithuanian way), and that a decision based on a collective profile is problematic. But here too one must consider the qualifications I outlined above: how much can be checked, what the price of missing is, etc. Moreover, usually in such institutions they do admit Mizrahi students, only in smaller numbers—and that is in fact an excellent indication that there is no racism there at all. Since on average these distinctions are correct, an objective assessment will yield a majority of Ashkenazi students for entirely substantive and relevant reasons.
In significant parts of the Ashkenazi Haredi world, there are many false stereotypes about Mizrahim, and here one can see a problem. But that is a mistake, not a value failure. Only if they adopt the stereotypes while knowing they are false could that perhaps be seen as a problem. But I don’t think that is the usual case. The failure to bother checking is laziness and mental rigidity—but again, not racism. After all, even if there are unjustified discriminations in admissions, the problem is discrimination and exclusion, not racism.
One may expect affirmative action in admissions to give Mizrahim a chance to “advance” (in their terms. The Mizrahim who so want to be admitted to that institution apparently also think this is advancement). But such a demand is beyond the letter of the law, and certainly a refusal to comply is not racism. Just as a university that does not admit weak students merely to give them a chance to advance is not accused of racism. The criterion of ability is relevant for university admission, and the criteria of Mizrahi/Ashkenazi are relevant for admission to an Ashkenazi institution.
C. Psychometric Exams and University Admissions
Very similarly, one can speak about the claims regarding university admissions thresholds—for both students and faculty. People point to the small number of Mizrahim in Israel (does that still exist?), blacks in the U.S., or women (?), but that difference in itself does not indicate racism or even discrimination. The difficulty of admission for weaker populations is substantive. Again one could demand individual examination of each applicant and not adopt collective profiling, but it seems to me no institution truly conditions admission on collective criteria. The differences are the result of substantive policy (which can, of course, be criticized). Do people expect other criteria to be instituted merely to achieve artificial equality? If so, then alternative criteria should be presented, not merely pointing to the numerical difference. I recall an interview years ago on the radio with a Tel Aviv school principal who proudly declared that he had canceled the computer science track because he saw that girls were weaker than boys in this field. Back to our point: even if there is a problem with the admission criteria, this is not a question of racism but of error. And the moral problem is discrimination—not racism or sexism.
D. Torah Study for Women
Regarding Torah study for women, there is (still?) a debate (I mean outside the “Har HaMor sect”). Usually it is pinned on the question of whether women are less suited for Torah study (“their minds are light,” “their wisdom is in the spindle,” etc.). Such and such, and the question of essentialism arises (which we saw above is usually linked to the question of racism), for it is a claim that the female nature is ingrained and structured and cannot be changed. The debate is usually conducted in the factual realm. Women are offended by this distinction, and men subject to political correctness are ashamed to say it and even persuade themselves it is untrue. I have written more than once that, at least from the facts on the ground, it appears that women have not yet reached high levels of Talmudic erudition. There may be many justified reasons for this, but this is the fact so far, and anyone who denies it is simply burying his head in the sand (as political correctness commands). Anyone who dares to say such a thing immediately gets brickbats (speaking from experience). In the common case, they will deny the facts or explain to you, with fine seasoning, that “I actually know Ms. So-and-so who is truly a prodigy” (cf. the “law of small numbers”). Others—men and women—explain that this is racism; i.e., they attack the claim in the ethical realm. But in light of what I have explained so far, these debates are irrelevant.
If this characterization is correct, then there is no sexism and no fault—just a correct factual description. And even if it is incorrect—then there is an error that may lead to discrimination. Either way, the question of essentialism lies in the factual realm and should be discussed there (not easy to decide, of course, and even defining the sides is quite hard; this is not the place). I haven’t even mentioned the odd fact that one who claims there is a difference in abilities between women and men is repeatedly required to bring evidence, but the claim that there is no difference is taken by many as self-evident and requires no proof at all. At most they explain that there are circumstances that justify it (their exclusion at a young age, lack of time to invest, absence of study institutions at older ages, etc.). But the fact that there are justifying circumstances does not mean that women have identical abilities to men. At most, it can be argued that there is no proof of the opposite claim. In these debates, facts are blatantly and explicitly subordinated to agenda and ideology. But regardless of all this, the question is factual and has nothing whatsoever to do with ethical questions (racism).
In any case, even if there is a problem with these distinctions, it is clear there is no claim here under the ethical heading of racism/sexism. At most, it is an error—and perhaps one that leads to discrimination. I already noted that making ethical claims when the discussion is factual is a shot in the foot of the struggle. One must confront that factual error (assuming it is one) in the factual realm, not reject a factual claim on the basis of ethical arguments. Reality is not subordinate to values (it was here first).
As someone who has engaged for many years in women’s Torah study and to whom this is important (but who refuses to allow desire and agenda to overshadow his view of reality), I find these debates foolish and am doubtful whether the two sides in the debate are even defined. What does “essential” mean? What counts as “unchangeable”? Does brain surgery count or not? And despite all this, I certainly see a problem in excluding women from study—but that is unrelated to claims about their abilities. I will now explain this on two levels.
The fundamental problem with that policy is not the quality of the distinction (whether it is true or not), but the treatment of an individual according to a collective profile. Even if we accept the premise that in the collective profile women are on average weaker than men in their abilities for Torah study—so what? We are speaking of a huge group, about 50% of the world’s population. Clearly there are women who are not weaker than all men, and I am sure there are also quite a few who are prodigies in their scholarly abilities. So at least let those women study Torah. Here one can already smell a whiff of an ethical failure—but as noted, the failure is discrimination and exclusion, not essentialism and racism. Essentialism can lead to discrimination and exclusion, but the ethical problem is the discrimination, not the essentialism. The question of essentialism is factual and should be examined honestly in the factual realm.
Up to now I have argued that there are talented women and therefore they should not be prevented from studying Torah. But my principal claim is much broader. Even if we assume that all women are less talented than men (there are no female prodigies at all), it is still unclear why they should be forbidden to study Torah. Is someone who is not talented in some field forbidden to engage in it? If he wants to—he has the right. This is the principal claim regarding Torah study for women, and it renders all debates about profiling and the reliability of the factual distinctions underlying the discussion unnecessary. It also sharpens the disconnect that must be made between the factual realm and the ethical realms.
E. A Chosen People
People protest statements that “we are a chosen people” on the grounds that this is racism. They mean the essentialist interpretation of the statement—that is, the assumption that we are a people endowed with special qualities (unique spirituality, etc., as attributed to the Kuzari with its five levels). I personally think that factual claim has no evidence, but to examine it one must define the concept “chosen people,” which is very difficult and, in my opinion, almost impossible (in the second volume of my trilogy I devoted chapter 22 to this). But even without entering those difficulties, the claim that we are a chosen people in the essentialist sense should be examined in the factual realm. If it is true, then there is no impediment to asserting it and there isn’t a whiff of racism. And if it is not true, then one can and should debate it—but that debate is in the factual realm (showing there is no difference in average behavior, etc.), not the ethical realm. At most it is an error, but it has nothing to do with a value failure. In my personal understanding, as I explained there, “chosen people” means a people chosen by God and given a mission, not a people with essential qualities different from other nations and human beings.[1]
The conclusion is that profiling—even if spiritual—should be examined factually (is it true or not). However, the conclusions drawn from it (e.g., treating non-Jews differently, such as disqualifying their good deeds as if they do not truly come from goodness and morality) are the closest thing I know to an ethical failing of racism. This is the canonical example of ethical racism, and it differs from all the examples brought above. Here we are dealing with a non-practical attitude that stems from racism, and therefore it cannot be subsumed under another value (such as discrimination or exclusion). But again, at its root this is a factual question, and therefore—even if there is a problem here—it is not a problem of racism but of error. I definitely think that the difficulty of arguing about it (again, from experience) stems from built-in racism. That racism causes people to see and interpret facts in the world selectively and with an agenda. When you bring them evidence of non-Jews doing good deeds and Jews doing bad deeds, and even bring statistics, they will brush you off (among Jews it is essential, among non-Jews it is a superficial side—Heaven knows what that means). But in the end we are speaking of a mistaken worldview, not a moral defect. If they were to reach these conclusions without the racist basis behind them, there would still be a factual and perhaps even ethical problem—and it would be the very same problem. The background racism is not important to the ethical discussion. Moreover, if no behavioral consequences are derived from this outlook, there is no real moral problem (though there is a whiff—for viewing a person and judging him morally are matters of ethical significance). And if unjustified behavioral implications are derived, then again the problem is not racism but the implications: discrimination, exclusion, or unequal treatment.
It seems to me that the attitude of many in the religious public toward non-Jews—without speaking of practical implications (improper treatment of them) but only about the interpretation given to their character and motives—is the closest thing I can think of to an ethical failing that could be called racism. It is a racist failing because here there is no practical discrimination and no practical implications at all, and therefore there is no other ethical problem. For those who nevertheless see such an attitude as an ethical problem, this is the closest thing I can think of to an ethical defect that can be termed racism. Yet even here it is mainly its scent rather than its substance.
[1] My claim is that this election can also be arbitrary or based on a cultural and moral difference (Abraham who educates his descendants to do righteousness and justice), and there is no need to hang it on essentialist traits. Such an election, even if arbitrary, is not discrimination. Assuming God must choose some people, even if there is no difference at all between the nations, the choice must be made (see, for example, Maharal, Netzach Yisrael ch. 11 onward). And certainly as long as this does not grant the chosen people privileges, there is no ethical problem.
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I am surprised because from my initial observation it seems that the discussion here is entirely about definitions. That is, the rabbi seems to assume that:
A. “racism” does not mean a claim of fact, true or false.
B. “racism” is not taking discriminatory actions, or at least the actions cannot be criticized based on the word “racism”.
C. “racism” is something that people see as a bad thing, and if we combine the previous assumptions, it turns out that it is not justified.
But if the entire discussion is about definitions, where is the place for criticism? Can we call a person who makes false assumptions about various groups out of laziness or just a distorted worldview, or alternatively who discriminates on such a basis, a ”racist” As ”moshiko” as ”timkabekto” or as ”kokoriko” (the word so beloved by the rabbi). What is the point of criticizing someone who calls such a person a racist based on another definition of the term racist, when racism is actually ethically okay?
Unless the intention was only to distill the problematic and say that it is not in the assumption that there is a difference but in the practical implications or in the laziness of reaching such an erroneous assumption, but I don't know if you are mistaken, and even if you are, I didn't understand why the rabbi claims not to (it is possible to recognize the value of “not thinking nonsense about another person”. For example, the halacha recognizes the value of din al-kaf zekut and so on).
By the way, regarding the Rabbi's claim that if we assume that all women (or even most of them) are different in terms of their ability to learn from men, there is still no reason to prohibit them from learning. I wonder, aren't the opponents relying on the words of Chazal and Maimonides according to which women are not only "less capable" of the Torah because of their character, etc., but the connection of this character with the Torah creates (at least according to most) real harm: "she teaches infidelity," "she takes the law into account according to the words of the rabbis because of their poor understanding," etc. You can agree, you can disagree, and you can not understand the whole thing at all, but it is difficult to make claims about someone who assumes the truth of this claim from the side of “Why not?”.
And maybe I didn't understand?
And regarding women's Torah study, there are also men who interpret the Torah in terms of the words of the rabbis (some of whom are considered Torah gurus). Is this enough to prohibit them from studying? Let them interpret it, and we will correct them or we will not accept their words.
You are mixing up a discussion of definitions with an analytical analysis of a subject. What I am showing here is that conceptual analysis shows that racism in its ethical meaning is almost empty of content. If you define racism in a factual sense – for health. That is semantics. And if you think that is agreed upon by everyone – then excellent. For some reason I hear accusations of racism all the time around me, but maybe you live on another planet.
Thank you Rabbi, I think I understand better now. But I assume that the attack on the ”factual” levels with anger stems from the fact that they tend to lead to discrimination, etc. (because if they are correct then why not really discriminate), and therefore society is interested in suppressing this, and not the ability to discriminate, which is sometimes necessary. In other words: even if the problem is in the result, the problematic factor, which is the justification for discrimination, needs to be addressed, and not the implication, which is the discrimination itself, comprehensively.
And regarding women – again I wonder, aren't men obligated and what's the point of taking out a law to bring it up and so on? It can be argued (in principle) that women are more prone to this and therefore it is appropriate to prevent them because the risk is greater. It doesn't matter whether I agree or not – but the claim is not logically unfounded but at most realistic.
It is not logically unfounded, but it is illogical and unethical.
Well, that's what happens when you disdain psychology.. 🙂 Not a word or reference to the instinctive repulsion of man from the other, to the tendency of people to project onto that other all the bad qualities they imagine (and in most cases, their own), and the attempt to destroy this other as part of the novel attempt to deal with our own evil by erasing it. All these things that have been discussed quite a bit and that have a lot of meaning, content, and logic are lost in the fog of definitions. Just because we can define things doesn't mean we understand the phenomenon. Once you've defined the map according to your own vision and placed all the things according to the definitions, then the illusion is created that the entire problem is clear and solved, when in fact all you've done is describe it in other words and the question remains. Think of a Brisk analysis of an issue – I'm no expert on this, but from my experience, there are sometimes situations where all the analysis does is divide the differences, without explaining why this division has meaning or even what its meaning is, and so the whole "analysis" is nothing more than a new way of describing the question without moving a millimeter closer to its solution. So you differentiated between different behaviors (fact-finding, discrimination, etc.) and seemingly covered the whole space, but in fact you completely ignored the mental movement that stems from and is created by racism and feeds it: the fear, hatred, disgust, contempt - the things that lead to all the ethical failures you described, and are likely their foundation. So let's define this mental movement as racism - you can also call it something else if you really want to insist that "racism" is an empty concept (I'm not responsible for Shenhav's definitions, for that matter) - But it is the main thing and the heart of the matter, and you have not said a word about it. I suppose you may tell me that I have no proof that the mechanisms I describe exist – but I can tell you honestly that I know them, first of all from myself, and also from a reasonable assumption that they exist in other people, because they explain so much. The assumption that all people are simply rational beings from the planet Vulcan who can at most make mistakes in their analysis of reality is the one that requires proof, in my opinion.
I have no argument with the psychological claims you presented, except that they are irrelevant to the discussion.
I did not come to solve the problem of racism, and therefore the claim that I did not solve anything is irrelevant. I came to define the concept and make some fundamental distinctions from which it appears that it has no value content (which I think is also important when we come to solve the problem. It is important to define it first).
In all your words, I did not find a single argument against anything I said. You pointed out problematic features of human nature, and this is certainly worth discussing and seems very reasonable. But what does that have to do with my words? What exactly do you disagree with? I get the impression that there is one starting point for my words, but you can see that in my discussion of the noble people I point to racism in a psychological sense that is close to what you described (although there it has traditional reasons, Torah sources, and the like, beyond psychology). I was willing to talk there about the smell of racism, but even there it is not racism in the full sense. Of course, any similar reference like the ones you described deserves the same characterization (the smell of racism).
In particular, I don't understand what all this has to do with my disdain for psychology. I'm not dealing with psychology here, and it doesn't touch the discussion in any way. Except for one aspect that I commented on: that factual racism can be a basis that leads to discrimination and exclusion.
Of course, I don't assume that people are completely rational either, and this can be seen in every section of this site. On the contrary, I usually lament irrationality. Among other things, this irrationality is expressed in a tendency toward emotionalism in conceptual discussion, and in mixing up levels of discussion (and in particular between psychology and essence).
Regarding your lack of skill in scholarly analysis, I take that as a personal insult (and also disagree) 🙂
Well, I wrote this in the middle of the night and so I really wasn't clear. My point was that I don't really have any complaints about your analysis here – therefore your response is justified – the analysis is perfectly fine. But in my opinion, if we settle for this analysis when discussing the issue of racism, we miss the main point and the heart: the mental mechanisms that create this phenomenon – and I don't care what we call this phenomenon: But in my opinion, when people express aversion to racism, what is in the background are not the concepts you described, which are indeed empty of value content, but precisely those mental and psychological mechanisms. It is clear to me that in your opinion psychology is irrelevant to the discussion, but that was exactly my point: ignoring psychology on this issue really empties the discussion of its content to a large extent, and therefore it is no wonder that this is the conclusion. Because racism in its wrong sense is first and foremost a *psychological* phenomenon with value implications, and not a philosophical phenomenon with value implications.
And as for my lack of skill in scholarly analysis - thanks, and indeed most of the little I have came from you and Rabbi Blumenzaig, but it's still little 🙂
Everything you wrote here and before fits into my comment that racism can lead to various value problems. That is indeed true, and the mechanisms you described are part of the issue. I think we have no argument, except that I think psychology is irrelevant to the discussion.
In a peaceful country, two races live peacefully. All members of one race, the Round race, are endowed with every talent, and all members of the other race, the Triangle race, are not (except perhaps for the talent for war, in which the Triangles are very talented). All the playing field is perfectly fair and in the end one race occupies all the positions of power and wealth. Is this the optimal situation from a utilitarian point of view? Will it create a stable society? Is it *worth* for the Triangle race to live in such a country and not to secede and establish another country (or, in fact: push the Round race out into another country, or into another world)? Do such questions seem relevant to you?
I think it is only indirectly relevant. For me, morality is not consequential (but rather, in the Kantian sense, a hypothetical consequence), and therefore such a consideration does not reflect on the question of whether it is moral or not. But sometimes a consequential consideration can determine policy even in the absence of moral considerations, and therefore I will certainly understand triangles who would not agree with such a policy. By the way, there may of course also be triangles who would agree that this is really the best situation for them as well.
But beyond all this, even if I accept your consequentialist argument in the value dimension (for example, according to the categorical imperative, the situation in which all roles are with triangles is not an ideal situation and therefore it is not right to act in this way), then the conclusion is that it is not right to hand over all roles to the circles. Why is this related to the question of racism?
Another preliminary question for you. Two people on a desert island each stick a finger in a dam, in such a way that if one of them were to remove the finger, both would suffer greatly. One of them is tall and picks delicious fruits from nearby trees, and the other is short and content with picking weeds and fruits that have fallen from the tree. The shorter one is of course allowed and invited to send his maid to pick some of the no-man's-land fruits (if the maid's-land grows longer, he will also succeed). What does magical deontological morality say in such a situation? That is, what is the taller one's duty to do, and what is the shorter one (who is very strong, by the way) allowed to do. And what if the taller one does not pick the no-man's-land fruits but also plants the tree (the shorter one does not know or is unable to plant short trees, or there are none).
I didn't understand anything. Most of all, I didn't understand why it had anything to do with this column.
The connection is that complaints about racism *always* deal with the fact that the result is that a certain group is in a relatively worse position (and perhaps it has better alternatives than continuing to be a quiet and comfortable partner in society. Or it has the ability to drill a hole in the common ship). Now someone comes along and explains to that group that everything is justified according to moral laws and draws their attention to the fact that the 'rules of the game' are fair. In my opinion, such an explanation (a kind of discussion of a collection of principles that you and others call morality) simply does not harm the point of the discussion. Although of course everyone has the right to decide to discuss something irrelevant to their own pleasure.
We're back to the discussion about consequentialism. We've had it more than once. The fact that I think something is justified and it doesn't convince anyone else is unfortunate, but to me it doesn't mean much.
Yes, but in a society that benefits from all its parts, I thought even strict deontologists would agree that fair "rules" are not enough. This is the case with the example of the low and the high.
If the rules are fair, they are definitely enough.
Could you please directly address the example of the low and the high above, and confirm that in your opinion both will stick their finger in the dam and the high will eat the fruits and the low will not, because that is appropriate and fitting?
[I personally do not understand where the idea comes from that a person's body or his thinking tools, things that ”nature” has bestowed upon his ’soul’, belong to him “in principle” more than others. In my opinion, this is a clear naturalistic fallacy (although of course it can be bridged with a principle). The same goes for things that a person has created with talent and effort. But I did not need it here]
I'll try to respond if you explain the question. I didn't understand it.
I'm trying to ask about the case before we even get to its fundamental analysis. I haven't been able to identify what's wrong with what I've formulated. In the above case (or is it that I didn't understand the case itself?) is the higher person who benefits from his height allowed to take all the fruits for himself or is he obliged to share with the lower person.
I didn't understand the case and the dilemma. Could you describe it clearly again?
Two people live together in a place. The prosperity of both depends on the effort of both, that is, if one of them stops trying, then both will lose a lot. One of them has a natural advantage that allows him to produce more when the rules are equal and justified. [A low and a high person live on a lonely island. Both stick their finger in the dam and if one takes their finger out, both will be flooded and suffer. One of them is taller and therefore only he can reach the fruits, and the low person manages to reach only the fruits that fall, which are few and bad. The equal and justified rules are that everyone is allowed to take fruits from the desert as he wishes].
The dilemma is whether the high person, since he needed the efforts of the low person to stop the flood, even though the low person will certainly continue to try because it is also critical for himself, should share with the low person everything he achieves. Or because the fundamental opening conditions are equal, and only the natural opening conditions are different (one had the opportunity to receive a tall body and one did not), then the inequality in the outcome is of no importance, and the tall one is morally entitled to take all the fruits and the short one is forbidden from being beaten in order to take the fruits.
For the sake of this matter, let's assume that a person's body (and his thinking abilities and diligence, etc.) "belongs" to him and not to others.
I'm not at all sure that this is a moral question. It's a question of ownership and a question of negotiation. Does the inferior have bargaining power? If he can threaten to stick his finger out, then of course he will get half. But if not - then no. Beyond bargaining and negotiation, I don't think there is a moral obligation here and everyone will keep theirs. If the inferior is poor, he can ask for charity and there is an obligation to give it to him. But if not - then why would he demand equal distribution? Communism?
Because the high achiever succeeds in obtaining fruits thanks to the efforts of the woodcutters and water carriers. The low have no bargaining power because sticking out a finger is worse than receiving fruits.
This is essentially the communist argument. The tycoons should share with the public, because it provides them with security services, garbage, factory workers, etc. In my opinion, there is no such moral argument. It is just a question of bargaining (game theory).
So, in your opinion, all "racism" that does not cause harm but rather refrains from giving is perfectly morally fine? So what is the claim about discrimination in the column and that someone took something from someone in the first place?
Wow. That's a big challenge for me. Not necessarily to answer, but to understand how you inferred that from what I said? I can't see even a hint of that in what I said.
Exactly. Morality is not causing harm to another. Not giving to him is not “immoral.” Indeed, if there is no problem of harm, then there is really no discrimination. (The assumption is that government institutions or public institutions usually belong to society as a whole, not just to those who staff them, and therefore it does belong there.) And it certainly does not belong to sue for giving. That was the evil and corrupt communism. And if this seems problematic to you, it is not because of anything related to morality. It is because of aesthetics. In the Jewish people specifically, there is a covenant (which God is responsible for maintaining) of mutual guarantee, and then there is a problem with the measure of Sodom because there is a commandment of charity, but then there should be no problem for the rich to give because charity is a type of investment that God is supposed to return to the one who gives. In any case, it is not a concession but an investment (the ancient concept is that the people of Israel are an organism and whoever gives charity is a cell that invests in the body to which it belongs and will receive it back from the body anyway) and everyone benefits. But even charity cannot be demanded by force (even though it is a demand from God, and therefore even the Jews can in principle impose it as on any other positive commandment).
Rather, explain to me. The taller one took all the fruits for himself, and gave a share to his friend, and the shorter one did not. What is the problem? These people do not want to teach women Torah or publish their articles, these people do not want to accept Sephardim, let's say there is no reason. Why is this not the theory of games, etc.
But how were Sephardim and women essential to the Torah study of Ashkenazim and men? If so, they can bargain and get a share.
(Emanuel, I ask Rabbi Michi about his view that even the essential should not be given anything if he has no bargaining power. And if so, let alone the essentials like women and Sephardim, etc. So what is the point of discussing whether there is illegal racism here? After all, they didn't take anything from anyone, they just refrained from allowing or giving them anything. If I am allowed to prefer myself, why shouldn't I be allowed to prefer whoever I want?)
If they have no bargaining power, then it's a sign that they have nothing to give. We're not talking about an oppressor (he gave it to me and because I'm strong I withheld his share. It's about assessing how much he deserves from the start - how much his contribution is worth - and that's determined by bargaining). I don't have to give someone something if they don't give me anything or I can get by without them.
He will answer you whatever he thinks is right, but in my opinion, I do not think that women must be taught Torah. They should not be prevented from studying on their own from books if they want to, but they are not required to teach them. And in this case, I do not know how worthwhile it is. Indeed, educated women in other subjects should have equivalent Torah education (it is not possible for them to have academic education but to be ignorant and a people of the land in the Torah field). But still, from my experience, women interpret Torah according to the words of the rabbis (and their minds are indeed light, but that is not related). And the nonsense that, according to Rabbi Michai, the great Torah scholars, is not interpreting Torah according to the words of the rabbis, but something else. Our eyes see that the vast majority of Torah students are concerned with feminism and women's laws all day long, and you will not see a single woman who deals with the laws of firstborns or the laws of a priest. And they are also ignorant (not to say infantile) in what they deal with.
And Sephardim are not required in principle either. But Sephardim are a different story (although there is no racism in not accepting them if they want a yeshiva with an Ashkenazi character. After all, they also want an Ashkenazi yeshiva) because there is a mitzvah to teach Torah to men and if a Sephardim wants to grow in Torah, it is in our interest to teach him. Indeed, in order to maintain the European Ashkenazi character of a yeshiva, it makes sense to limit the number of Sephardim if they are not willing (or cannot) join the yeshiva. There is also the matter of public funding and the matter is complicated.
If the funder conditions the funding on a requirement (for example, not to discriminate) and the requirement is violated (discriminate), then it is a problem even if the discrimination is completely justified and that is not what the column is about (as I understood it).
M ”M Now I will wait for Rabbi Michi's response, from which it will probably become clear that I made some wrong logical leaps, etc.
No one is obligated to teach women Torah or to teach anyone Torah. What I said is that there is no permission to prevent them and forbid them. Don't you see the difference between these two? If you don't want to teach, don't teach. That's fine. But fighting against it and boycotting those who do, and preaching to women that they are not allowed to learn (when they are not equipped with the tools to understand that this is nonsense, because they were not taught), is definitely discrimination and exclusion.
Beyond that, assuming that there is an obligation (reasonable and imperative) to learn and teach Torah, then refraining from teaching someone is also wrong. And refraining from teaching women because they are women is even less right.
It's not like simply not giving someone something of mine that they don't deserve and there is no obligation to give it to them, as in the example you gave. I really don't understand this strange discussion.
I really don't see the difference in your method. To boycott means not to bear fruit and you explained it in Toto”d that it is always and forever permissible even without any reason (as long as the rules of conduct are fair and all differences arise naturally). Preaching is problematic only if it causes a problematic boycott and since the boycott is not problematic then neither is preaching.
So I understand that your argument is essentially that a person has a moral obligation to act equitably towards others, even when giving charity or choosing who to buy from at the grocery store, as long as he is not deprived of it or does not have a ‘justified’ reason. But to my surprise you do not write that (and that is how I understand you right now).
To my surprise, I write things that are clear and incomprehensible. My argument is that when there is no obligation (moral, religious or legal) to give, then I can choose to give to whomever I want. And of course it is mine and it does not have to be divided equally. Confiscation and preaching is the use of illegitimate tools because you are using power inappropriately. Of course, if you believe in a certain direction, you are allowed to preach in its favor. The question is whether this direction is really appropriate.
I repeat again that it seems to me like pure insistence. I see no point in discussing it.
Because if so, then I didn't understand the desire of Amina to discuss the discrimination against Sephardim and the non-publication of women's articles. [And in my opinion, if he were to take the time to look more closely, he would see that the matter depends on Ashley Rebarbi and from whom it stems. That's how it seems to me].
Please delete my last comment after reading it.
I deleted it at your request. I'm just debating whether to use inside information and reveal to my son that he also participates in chess and rating matters that he should score points against you… 🙂
In any case, I wish you a more enjoyable and useful continuation and good luck in everything.
🙂
Thank you
If he's into quick games (bullet for minions). I once tried to use a chess rating to estimate for myself the times of day when thinking is sharper, if there are any. I played morning, noon, evening, and night, then I downloaded all the data and tried to analyze it with all sorts of tools that I deal with. I got a weak indication that night is the most successful. I don't know if this is really relevant (maybe chess is different from thinking about an idea, and maybe quick chess only tests the efficiency of instinctive thinking), but it's an interesting curiosity.
“I suppose we can agree that the statement that blacks on average play basketball better than whites, or the statement that LeBron James plays (not on average) basketball better than me, a white person, are not racist statements. They are factual descriptions.”
Absolutely not true. That is a racist statement.
Of all the possible differentiating parameters (and there are many) you chose a parameter based on race. It is a racist statement that stems from a racist perception. Even if it is true, it is still racist.
And of course the most common racism is a parent's love for their own offspring.
The column about Emmanuel is in some modern ultra-Orthodox online magazine. I read it there.
It was a response column to someone who tried to explain the differences between Ashkenazi and Spanish culture in order to justify discrimination and also claimed that part of the Spanish mentality is whining. And you mentioned there that this is a judgmental characteristic (he tried to tease it out as a fact of my being a guard).
I think racism is expressed when it means an advantage/disadvantage for one ethnic group over another.
A distinction must be made between preference, which is indeed a subjective feeling of an individual towards his country, his people, his culture, his language, his home cuisine; and a sense of superiority that an individual holds towards another from another ethnic group.
For example: I really love the State of Israel and the people of Israel, because I was born into it. If I had been born in Zimbabwe or Finland, I would probably connect more with these peoples. However, as a member of the people of Israel, I do not see myself as superior or as having an inherent advantage over a member of another culture. I really love the State of Israel and the people of Israel, but I do not think that the State of Israel is the best country in the world. Israel is the country to which I am most emotionally connected, simply because it is my homeland, but I am aware that in fact it is not the most successful and advanced country in the world and that there are countries that are probably better than them.
Therefore, it is important to distinguish between personal preference based on affiliation and a sense of superiority based on affiliation. The latter is, in my opinion, an expression of racism.
Thinking that your country is the best is racism? Strange. Whether it's true or not, there's no racism in it.
Hi
On the one hand it says:
“Defining the concept of a ‘people of virtue’ is a very difficult matter and in my opinion almost impossible”
On the other hand it says:
” To my understanding, as I explained there, a people of virtue means a people chosen by God and given a mission, and not a people with essential qualities different from other peoples and humans”
So I went to the dictionary and saw that one of the definitions of the word “definition” is:
“Providing an explanation or interpretation of a term or concept”
On the one hand you said that it is not easy to define the concept of a people of virtue, and even impossible.
On the other hand you defined/interpreted it easily, in one line, and in a fairly correct way in my humble opinion
So it is almost impossible and yet you did it in one line?
You don't need a long school day for this. At first I talked about the essential interpretation, and in my opinion there is no good definition for this and it is doubtful how much content it has at all. Then I presented my position that it is not about an essential virtue but about choosing for a task. Not very complicated, neither the definition nor the resolution of the contradiction.
In order for me to understand you, please give two examples:
Something that has a meaning, but its ”essential meaning” (i.e., definition) cannot be given.
Something that has both a meaning and a “essential meaning” (definition).
I'm not sure if you understood the rabbi's words.
The rabbi's intention is not that there are two types of definitions (essential and non-essential) and one is easier to give, but rather that in the interpretation of the specific term of segula there are two different directions of understanding at a basic level: an understanding that it is a fundamental difference or some kind of metaphysical charge, or alternatively that it is a designation or a goal. The rabbi argued, as I understand it, that interpretations in the first direction are more difficult to define clearly, since they are inherently more abstract and abstract. In other words: the claim is not that every concept has two levels of definition, but that in the interpretation of the concept of segula there are two possible directions, and not two levels but two possibilities at the same “level” – except that one of them is more difficult to define clearly than the other.
Thanks for the explanation, things are much clearer now.
Regarding the definition of essentialism – Why not claim that it means that it is easier for the people of Israel to adhere to it’ ?
Overall, it is quite clear, and that is the metaphysical charge.
Second, if it is only a designation/purpose, they probably stem from some other advantage.
Like choosing who goes to the officer course based on certain advantages, or choosing
who works as a pilot based on certain advantages.
I mean, if they chose the people of Israel to lead, that also means that it has an essential advantage, right?
You can claim anything. The question is whether it is true. In my opinion, no. There are differences between any two groups, of course. The essential question is whether the difference between the people of Israel and all the rest is different from the differences between any two peoples. Beyond that, God's choice can be completely arbitrary (what would you do if all the candidates for the officer course had the same abilities?) or depend on non-essential characteristics (but cultural and other, which can also be changed).
I will add in the margins of the Rabbi's words that there was only no reason to assume that there was no difference, and that was enough. But I am amazed at the great men of Israel throughout so many generations who stuck to this issue, since the Torah explains exactly why the people of Israel were chosen and there is no word there about uniqueness: "Because of the love of the Lord for you and because you keep the oath that I swore to your fathers." Even according to the Rabbi who believes that it is impossible to draw clear conclusions from the Tanakh due to the multitude of interpretations, I do not see how it is possible to explain this differently without significant arguments (although the Sages did a beautiful midrash on these verses that the people of Israel are a humble people from the words "not from many of you," but I came to the plain meaning of the Bible).
"Very well," replied Yuda.
I don't quite understand why the rabbi says that if it's factual then it's not racism.
It's true that it's factual, but that still doesn't contradict the fact that the debate is in the realm of values.
If we take the example of shoe size, for example, let's say that on average people with higher shoe sizes are stupider, that in any case would hardly make anyone discriminate against people with higher shoe sizes and they would continue to look at them individually and not collectively, simply because people wouldn't perceive it as a reason but rather as some correlation that they don't know how to explain.
In contrast, in checking Arabs at the airport and being suspicious of them because statistics say they have a higher chance of terrorism, something else is implied here, and that is the assumption that the fact that they are Arabs is also a reason for them to be terrorists (because they are educated in such a culture, or for all sorts of theological reasons, because Ishmael lived on his sword, etc.).
So overall, the argument of anti-racism advocates to racists is that just like there will be all sorts of things that you will agree are just correlations even if you can't explain them, and that in any case won't make you discriminate against them. So you have to assume that everything is not causal, and if you discriminate against Arabs, then that's a sign that you already assumed from the start that being Arab is a reason for him to be a terrorist, and in any case, the over-checking at the airport comes from ethical racism and not from a factual claim.
You repeat what I wrote, that racism can indeed cause discrimination and value problems, but it is not a problem in itself.
It seems like this has been written before, but perhaps it makes sense to put it in my own words.
I would like to suggest that racism is not the factual claim that there is a difference between different populations, but the moral claim that this difference should be preserved.
Probably both. The racist thinks that there is a factually essential difference between what he identifies as "races" (meaning both physical and spiritual differences) and therefore there is a moral obligation to create policies that distinguish or discriminate between the races.
You attribute a failure to the racist. Because, as is well known, it is impossible to derive from the fact that there is a difference the claim that there should be a difference.
Beyond that, the factual claim of the racists is certainly correct - there are differences between different races, one can only argue about what the differences are, what they stem from, and whether they can be eliminated.
Therefore, the point of disagreement with them can only be about their ethical claim - that is, their claim that these differences should be preserved and not eliminated.
Phil, in my opinion, you are also wrong about the factual level behind the racist position. A good racist is not satisfied with the trivial claim that there are observable differences between races, but, as I have already written, these differences are also spiritual. In his opinion, his race is “better” than other races in character traits, religious and moral capacity, etc. Therefore, he can justify his normative position demanding different treatment of other races.
It really doesn't matter whether these are spiritual differences or not. The claim that there is a spiritual difference between races is still a claim of fact.
The claims that discriminatory treatment should be derived from this spiritual difference, or that action should be taken to preserve these differences are moral claims that are not derived from this fact. It is only on this moral plane that the dispute between racists and their opponents is resolved.
It is clear that the claim regarding spiritual differences is a claim of fact. Who said otherwise? But this is where the dispute between the racist and his opponents begins. He sees spiritual difference as a necessary (even if not sufficient) condition for discrimination, and they do not. In other words, the dispute begins with the facts.
I am not aware of any claim that there is an obligation to preserve these differences.
It is usually not explicitly stated, but if you want to generously interpret the racist position, this is the way to go, in my opinion.
Specifically regarding the last two examples you mentioned in the column – Gender Roles and the People of Israel as a Special People, the argument is explicitly stated.
Opponents of Torah study for women claim that it is inappropriate to eliminate the differences between men and women, and like them, believers in the Special People thesis also generally hold the traditional position of Judaism against missions, and they oppose converting all Gentiles even if it were possible.
“So what is racism anyway? Determining an attitude towards group X based on characteristic A, when characteristic A is irrelevant to the attitude in question.”
While I tend to disagree with the assertion that arbitrary discrimination is not usually covert profiling (when a person says that they are just discriminating because they don't feel like it, it is suspicious that they don't feel like detailing the basis for profiling), the decision to what extent to focus on a micro-characteristic is wrong in my opinion.
Your argument is that they choose a characteristic that they believe is relevant to the attitude in question, so since they claim that it is a relevant characteristic, then it is not racism but a value failure.
But for every racist example, you can find a second-order reason why it is not. Let's take your example: “Racism is when I don't let black people into the swimming pool, even though their skin color has nothing to do with the activity that takes place there”. But if a pool owner claims that this scares away his audience, is that racism?
Moreover, you can always argue that blacks have a relevant trait X (say, violent, and it harms the activity) and then you will argue that this is not racism. It's just that parasitizing negative characteristics to a racial group for no reason will usually include enough general negative traits for something to have an effect given an interaction that is not completely sterile.
And I wanted to add two more points for now:
A. Nazism:
The comparison between race theory and murder based on shoe size is demagogic. Good luck getting people to murder based on shoe size (although women in ancient China might have been willing…). But even today, if you prove with signs and wonders that the existence of a certain community will cause us all to die painfully and horribly, I'm pretty sure that in a broad survey there will be quite a few supporters of eliminating that community.
To say that the problem is the murder and not the racial doctrine and to ignore the fact that the racial doctrine itself is a call to murder is ridiculous – The problem is not that they held an ideology but that they acted on it? An ideology without a call to action is a meaningless collection of data points.
And the conclusion regarding racism is the same: to say that there is no problem in holding misconceptions but only acting on them disconnects the ideology from the call to action, when the perception itself often includes a call to action, is artificial.
B. The Haredi public:
In addition to the above, it is not clear to me why the attitude of the Haredi public can be defended according to your method.
In the Haredi public, the attitude changes when the appearance changes (Sefardim who look Ashkenazi) – Which shows that the characteristic (skin color) is really irrelevant to the relationship because it is not about all the same concerns that you mentioned (for example, “Lithuanian ethos and voting for the Agudat Israel party and not another, without television and Western culture, Hasidic and not Mizrahi songs”) because these concerns are not supposed to disappear between siblings in the same family where one is darker and the other is lighter. More detailed in the article by Ma'in David:
https://iyun.org.il/article/haredi-discrimination/white-privilege/
Regarding the pool owner – This is definitely not racism. Maybe it is not appropriate to do so, but what does that have to do with racism?!
I am not talking about liars who attribute characteristics to groups just to justify discriminatory treatment. I am talking about people who truly believe that these are their characteristics (whether rightly or wrongly).
Regarding the Nazis, I answered that in my words. There is no fundamental difference between shoelessness and racism. You can argue that in practice racism leads more easily to discrimination and murder than shoelessness. I agree of course, and it is still not racism that is the crime, but murder.
Regarding the Haredim, you state that visibility matters there. I really don't think so. In any case, if visibility is the determining factor, then clearly I have no defense for it, except if someone claims that visibility expresses essential characteristics (there is a correlation, even if not causation).
I will summarize the two points you responded to:
1) I argued that not only can one lie and manipulate traits, but that racism automatically manipulates negative traits that are ultimately relevant to the relationship.
I am surprised that you are clear about the issue of a noble people, where you wrote “I definitely think that the difficulty in arguing about it (again from experience) stems from built-in racism. This racism causes people to see and interpret the facts in the world in a selective and biased way” – But you are not willing to accept that regarding the other examples just because they are practical examples and not a theoretical example.
I think that it is easier to see that this is a distorted view in advance in practical examples.
2) I do not understand where in your words or in your response you referred to the fact that Nazism (and other racist perceptions, say KKK) are not only an argument about differences between races but also a call to active action that stems from them.
My argument is that just as I see contributory guilt in incitement to murder, I also see contributory guilt in the Nazi concept. When it is my turn to call for the murder of the Spodik wearers, I will also argue that it is morally wrong and deserving of condemnation – and not just the murder itself.
And let's just quote from your golden tongue:
“…What we have seen so far has not dealt with the question of causal causation. There is no claim here that the instigator has no causal role in the result. On the contrary, it is reasonable to assume that he causally has a share in responsibility. Suppose Reuven incites a thousand times, there is certainly some chance that one of the instigators will commit the act. To clarify things, think of a controlled experiment: taking a group of a thousand incited people and another control group of a thousand other people, I suppose that there is a higher chance that one in a thousand instigators will commit the act than one in a thousand people in a normal situation. In other words, it is difficult to deny that the instigator has some share in the causal responsibility for the result…” (column 43, more on incitement)
Because you agree that there is a moral significance to calling for murder and not just murder itself (and murder is obviously more serious). I don't understand why Nazism is different in your eyes.
(And from this I also conclude for racism: there is something morally wrong with calling for discrimination, not just in action. And a racist perception is definitely a call to action)
I don't know how to rewrite what I wrote in white Kiddush letters in the column itself and you claim you didn't see it. So I'll stop here.
Even the thing you wrote that is closest to racism (“smells of racism”) is not racism at all. Without taste and without the smell of racism. It is simply arrogance (which I have no problem with if it is true. And I do believe it is so (except for pride as follows)). That is, people think that they are infinitely better than others (which apparently there is no problem with if it is really true. The only thing that feels bad about it is that arrogance belongs only to God and pride is an obscene quality). Again, it is arrogance based on nationality. But all arrogance is based on some background and who hates arrogance based on race or nationality than arrogance based on some other background? In short, the concept of racism is completely empty. Not almost empty. Completely empty. There is a problem with discrimination or arrogance. But racism is simply something that does not exist
And I also believe in the words of the author of the Tanya about the meaning of the actions of the Gentiles and their external and internal. This is evidence for us from the mouths of Kabbalists who see deep into the heart of man and know his intentions (which most of the time he is not aware of at all). And experience also proves much of this (although in terms of experience, the majority of the Jewish people are also Gentiles today according to this. But the minority that is good in its interiority is all Jews). In short, the absolute majority of people are egoists and all the good they do stems from the interest of the majority unconsciously (and in the moment of truth, the evil in them comes out and it turns out that it is neither their good nor their evil). There are a few true people (people of virtue) who do act well because it is good, but these are special people. And they are all Jews.
Emmanuel.
Are the Righteous Among the Nations also intrinsically evil? And not necessarily in the halakhic definition. Righteous Among the Nations who saved Jews in the Holocaust, for example. Or even people who saved other people. From a foreign nation. Kitchen? Are they also intrinsically evil? /. And what about historical examples of halakhic Righteous Among the Nations like Naaman, the army chief of Syria?
Not that if you claim that it is, it is a terrible claim. But if that is the case. And a Gentile, deep down, has always been evil, evil from a dharmicistic point of view, and has no ability to change that. The practical implication of this is that all Gentiles are exempt from any moral claim and moral obligation - they can never act differently. And therefore perhaps defining them as evil is paradoxical. Because they have no ability to choose between good and evil - they are just like lions or predatory wolves.
The halakhic concept of Righteous Among the Nations is actually very relevant here. In any case, your question is a very good one and I have pondered it a lot, but the author of the Tanya probably also knew such Gentiles in his generation and despite that he said what he said. I too once had an Arab hitchhike innocently stop and drive me to an Arab bus driver who stopped for me at a bus stop even though I was not there and I ran to it even though he did not have to and wanted to do me a favor (and then he swore like a madman) and said that those who saved Jews in the Holocaust are neighbors. There is a real question here of gratitude and not forcing kindness. But the truth still has not moved from its place and this is also from my experience. I would not hesitate to bomb the village of an Arab who did good to my people if he did not flee from that village and that village, let's say, is hiding a murderer who murdered one of my people and is protecting him (and this is where the issue of the influence of the environment comes in, as follows)
It is simply a matter of human nature. It is not that they are evil, wicked people like Hitler. But humans are like animals (including most Jews today) – and this, by the way, is worse than evil. Evil has the choice to repent. An animal does not even know that it is wrong (which is okay with animals but not with humans who are like animals). But in truth, all humans have the potential to be humans and good deeds do indeed show its existence, but it is still only a potential and at the moment of truth when it clashes with his ego – an ordinary person has no chance (not even free choice) to act differently from what the animal inside tells him. This is where the Kabbalah doctrine that I preach here morning and evening (and look a bit like a madman) comes in, which is related to correcting the ego and through which the potential is put into practice. In any case, there is a difference – in the level and resolution of the collective – between the Jewish collective and other peoples. And this is the story of internality and externality. The individual draws his inner self from the collective to which he belongs. The influence of the environment is enormous. Most of our behavior stems from the subconscious and is shaped by the society in which a person lives. In fact, the only free choice a person has (at the behavioral level. Not a specific act, and perhaps even that) is in choosing the environment in which he is. Then from there he will draw his desires, aspirations, thoughts, and worldview (even if he is a philosopher). It is not that the Gentiles are a glitch in creation. This is a matter called in Kabbalah the body (Golgotha and eyes) versus the other (ear, nose, mouth). It is a type of internality versus externality. Israel is the body and the nations of the world are the other. The correction of the body precedes the correction of the other. And the latter derive their correction from the former. This means that Israel is supposed to be a light to the nations and in the future to come will show the nations the path of truth (for from Zion the Torah will go forth, etc.)
And by the way, even in Israel there are those who are former and those who are latter.
In short, what I am telling you is that you need to look in general and also to the future (which interprets the past). You don't want to live under the mercy of such gentiles. And if they belong to evil nations and don't want to leave them, you can't ignore that when you fight that collective. All their goodness will explode in your face and they will turn on you. That's not exactly worldly piety, is it?
Corrections:
“Anyway, your question”
“Or a bus driver…” (and then drove like a madman).
“Even so”
“In fact, the only free choice a person has (at the behavioral level. Not a specific act, and maybe even that) is in choosing the environment in which he lives”
“(Gallagher and Einyaim)”
“Belong to evil nations….When you fight one of the nations to which some such Righteous Among the Nations gentile belongs” .
In addition, the usual Israeli approach to this issue is really infantile, emotional, and childish. I am really ashamed to see all the politicians who are pouring out their love to these Righteous Among the Nations. There is gratitude and there is flattery. It is not the same thing. We need to get used to not accepting favors from outsiders except when it is absolutely necessary and there is no other choice.
I can't help but think of the story "Apartment for Rent".
In the story, each time a different animal comes and insults one of the tenants based on facts (the squirrel cracks nuts noisily, the cuckoo abandons her children, and so on). Only when they get to the pig does he choose not to insult based on facts but rather racism: "How can I, a white man, sit in the same room with a black cat? It's not nice to me and it doesn't suit me." This time the author didn't write that the cat was insulted (because there's nothing to be offended about when there's no fact at the base) but rather all the neighbors together answer the pig, "Get out of here, pig! It's not nice or beautiful to us either."
In fact, the pig is an ethical racist because he doesn't want to sit with the black tenant just because she is one (perhaps psychologically it comes from fear of the other and the unknown, he thinks this is how he protects himself and his children).
In the 24th of Shevat 52
The argument of 'racism' against the election of the people of Israel is fundamentally unfounded. After all, anyone from the world who is truly and sincerely prepared to accept upon himself the 13 commandments that Israel was obligated to, is invited to join and become an inseparable part of the 'people of virtue', and of whom it is said, 'The nobles of the nations are gathered with the God of Abraham.' And after all, the Messiah is a descendant of Tamar and Ruth, who said, 'Your people are my people, and your God is my God.'
And not only that, even the enemies of Israel and its great haters and their descendants were accepted as righteous. Nebuzaradan and Nero Caesar, who destroyed the Temple and killed tens of thousands of Israelites, converted. After all, some of Sisera's sons taught Torah in Bnei Brak, and some of them were Rabbi Akiva; some of Sennacherib's sons taught Torah in Jerusalem, and some of them were Shemaiah and Avtalion; and some of Haman's sons taught infants of the house of Rabban, and some of them were Rav Shmuel bar Shilat (Sanhedrin 177, according to the version of Rabbi Aharon Hayman, author of Toldot Tannaim and Amoraim). And last but not least. From the descendants of Balak, who called on Balaam to curse Israel, the dynasty of the House of David grew up until the Messiah.
The powers of evil and hatred can be transformed into the powers of goodness and love.
Best regards, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel
The concept of ‘segula’ can be interpreted as ’capable’ potential. Whoever was blessed with fathers like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and was blessed to receive the teachings of ’ and the guidance of wise and righteous prophets and their disciples for dozens of generations – has an excellent preparation for high virtues. And in any case, the demand on him to realize the abilities inherent in him is great.
Professor’ Benjamin Oppenheimer showed, according to an Ugaritic source, that ’segula’ is a vassal’ a representative of the king. This is consistent with the definition of the Torah further on in the statement ’And you will be to me a vassal out of all the peoples. And you will be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation’. The people of Israel have a unique calling, to be ‘priests of God” who bring the faith of God and its values to all of humanity.
And Onkelos translated and you shall be my people’ – ‘ a beloved people’, and as the sages explained, every beloved person whom He created in His image – Israel is known for its special affection ‘who are called sons of the place’. This special affection of a son for his father does not expire, as the law has ruled that ’either way, sons are called’, and for no reason will the father abandon any of his sons, but will do everything to bring him to his complete correction, worthy of the son of the King of kings.
With blessings, Aisha