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On Education and Educators (Column 419)

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

This column is dedicated to my dear daughter Rivka, may she live and be well,

with wishes for success in her studies at the ‘Drisha’ Yeshiva.

These thoughts were refined with her help, and I hope they will be implemented by me and by her.

This past Simchat Torah, during the hakafot in our parking-lot minyan, the carrying of the Torah scrolls was distributed among the congregants as is customary. At some point they announced it was the turn of “educators who have not yet carried a scroll,” and among others they called my name. It’s hard to describe the sense of insult I felt upon hearing this annoying classification (but I worked on my character traits and said nothing. I hope none of my good-intentioned neighbors read these columns). To call me an “educator”?! Unthinkable! After I cooled down a bit, I set out to clarify why this title sounded so insulting and irritating to me. The answer I reached is set out here in this column.

I apologize in advance for words that may hurt some people, but in my estimation this is the truth and it is proper to put it on the table. In what follows I will note various implications of this view, and from there it will also be clearer why it is important to discuss it. This is also an opportunity to respond to Avraham’s request to lay out my approach regarding the proper form of education. I won’t really lay it out here, but at the end I will devote a few words to that as well.

A brief preface on the mitzvah of education

As is known, the Sages instituted an obligation (rabbinic; see Sukkah 2b, end) to educate our children. Its parameters are not unambiguous, and it appears in the Talmud in a very incidental and unsystematic manner. Already in the Talmud itself, and afterwards among the Rishonim, there are disputes and contradictions on questions such as whether the obligation is also on the mother or only on the father, whether there is an obligation to educate girls or only boys, the ages for education, its form, and so on.

A fundamental dispute between Rashi and Tosafot concerns the very nature of the mitzvah of education (see for example in Kehillot Yaakov to Sukkah, §2). According to Rashi (Berakhot 20a), it is a commandment placed upon the parents to educate their child to fulfill the commandments when he grows up and becomes obligated in them. But Tosafot (Berakhot 48a) disagree and hold that there is a rabbinic obligation upon the minor himself to fulfill commandments. The practical implication is regarding a minor reciting Birkat HaMazon: can he discharge the obligation for an adult who is rabbinically obligated? If there is a rabbinic obligation on the minor himself, as Tosafot understand, then a rabbinic (derabbanan) can discharge a rabbinic. But according to Rashi, the minor is not obligated even rabbinically, since the obligation is on his parents; therefore he cannot discharge an adult who is himself obligated rabbinically to recite it.

One can hang these two understandings on two meanings of the term “chinuch” (education) itself. In the common meaning, education means teaching and preparing the minor for performing his role when he grows up. He must be taught and imbued with his halakhic and moral duties. This is a preparatory stage before the thing itself, and this is apparently the meaning of “chinuch” according to Rashi. The second meaning is like “the dedication (inauguration) of the altar”—that is, the beginning of the very activity. In this sense, to “inaugurate” something means to start its normal operation (and not to do something prior to it). This is apparently the meaning of “chinuch” according to Tosafot.

Kehillot Yaakov there notes that even according to Tosafot there is an obligation on the parents to educate their son; however, in their view there is an additional rule in chinuch, namely a rabbinic obligation upon the minor himself. He wonders there: whence did Tosafot derive two such distinct obligations, and why is this detailed nowhere? In my article in Middah Tovah, Nitzavim–Vayelech 5767, I argued that these are two faces of the familiar mitzvah of chinuch—two sides of the same coin: there is a rabbinic obligation upon the minor himself to fulfill commandments. But since the minor is not yet mature and lacks the responsibility to understand that he must perform his duties (hence he is biblically exempt), the Sages place responsibility upon the parents to ensure that he indeed does so.[1]

Education for adults

Seemingly the mitzvah of chinuch was stated only regarding small children (under bar/bat mitzvah age). But that is not necessary, and in my view not reasonable either. I will illustrate through a well-known analysis among the Acharonim concerning a minor who comes of age in the middle of the Omer count or in the middle of Yom Kippur. The question is whether he must begin counting or fasting from when he becomes an adult. Usually this is tied to the question whether the mitzvah of Yom Kippur is defined as a separate mitzvah for each and every moment (and the Omer as a separate mitzvah for each and every day)—in which case, of course, during the moments/days he is an adult he must fulfill the mitzvot before him—or whether it is one continuous mitzvah, and since he did not fulfill it until now, he has already lost it and there is no point in beginning it mid-way.

As I explained in Column 192 (see also in Column 414), I do not accept that claim. In my opinion, even if it is one continuous mitzvah, the minor who becomes an adult mid-way is obligated to continue, because even as a minor he was already fulfilling it by virtue of chinuch. True, chinuch is only rabbinic and ostensibly there was no fulfillment of the biblical mitzvah; nevertheless, he must continue for two reasons: (1) The requirement of continuity is grounded in the definition of the concept (“counting,” or “fast”) and not in the definition of the halakhic obligation. If he fasted from the beginning of the fast—even if that was only rabbinically—the continuation of the fast constitutes a fast (for he actually fasted a full day), and therefore he must do so. According to this, the one who came of age now fulfills a biblical mitzvah from here on. (2) The continuity requirement relates to the mitzvah, not to the factual plane, yet he still must continue by virtue of chinuch, for even when he grows up there remains upon him an obligation of chinuch. If he does so, then at least on the rabbinic plane one can say he fasted, since he did so by virtue of chinuch for an entire day. According to this explanation, from here on he fulfills the mitzvah only rabbinically (despite being an adult).

The reason chinuch is usually defined for minors is that once they come of age they are biblically obligated in the commandments and therefore there is no point in defining for them a mitzvah of chinuch (in either of the above meanings). But in a case like this—where he cannot fulfill the biblical mitzvah even after coming of age (because of the requirement of continuity)—there is no reason to assume that chinuch does not apply to him. He is no worse than a minor, and if the Sages obligate a minor to fulfill commandments rabbinically, they likely obligate an adult who is not biblically obligated to do so as well. Of course it is easier and more natural to claim this according to Tosafot, who hold that the obligation of chinuch is on the minor himself, but one can argue it even according to Rashi.

What is an “educator”?

Let me return to my wounded feelings. Seemingly, I really am an educator. I am engaged in Torah teaching, and every teacher, as is known, is also a “mechanech” (educator). True, in my case it is generally before “big kids” (students or adults), but essentially it is quite similar. As we have seen, the mitzvah of chinuch can also be defined in relation to adults. It thus seems the crux is not in the audience’s age but in the essence of the act itself. Among us it is common to identify learning with education, or at least to see learning as part of the educational act. But I think this is mistaken.

First, we saw that education concerns what comes before life—as a preparation for it. Learning, however, is a task meant to accompany us throughout our lives. Beyond that (and closely related): the educator’s role is to instill in the pupil values and proper modes of conduct and behavior. To do this, he teaches those values and persuades him in various ways to adhere to them. Yet his fundamental role is the instilling, not the learning. In the educational process, learning serves the instilling.

To sharpen this further, let us examine philosophical ethics instruction. There is a famous witticism about the Greek philosopher who researched and taught ethics and, when caught in unworthy acts, explained that he is a lecturer in ethics and need not adhere in his behavior to ethical values—just as a mathematician who teaches and researches mathematics need not be a triangle. This story is often brought as a joke or to condemn philosophers who do not practice their own doctrine, but to me it correctly describes the role of a researcher and lecturer in philosophy. I would criticize his behavior—as I would criticize anyone who behaves unethically—but the fact that he engages in research or teaching ethics neither adds nor detracts in that regard. A researcher in ethics is to clarify ethical issues and reach conclusions, irrespective of whether he practices them in his personal life.

That is for the researcher. The same applies to one who teaches ethics (e.g., a university lecturer in ethics). He too is not required to any particular behavior by virtue of his role, for his concern is the transmission of knowledge and intellectual modes of analysis. The goals of the researcher and the lecturer lie on the cognitive plane, not the behavioral one. Moreover, even for his students, the aim of a teacher or lecturer is not to direct their behavior but to teach them the field—that is, its knowledge and the established modes of thought and analysis. If the students do not behave ethically, that is not the lecturer’s failure, but perhaps that of their educators and parents, and mainly their own. Only if they acted so due to lack of knowledge or understanding in ethics would that be the lecturer’s failure—but that should not be considered a personal-educational failure; rather a failure in learning and knowledge transmission. If they know and yet do not act accordingly, that is an educational failure, not a learning one.

So who bears the task of shaping the pupils’ ethical behavior? Their educator (and the parents, in their capacity as educators). Indeed, the educator who wishes to create ethical behavior in his pupils also needs ethical analysis and the study of values, issues, and methods of thinking and analysis; but these are tools that serve him in striving toward his foundational aim: forming proper conduct. In the educational process, learning is a means, not an end (except in an educational process whose aim is to educate for learning and its importance; that is not our concern here).

In my article about the role of academia, I sided with the unpopular position of the Hebrew University’s Department of Jewish Thought—there dubbed the philological-historical approach—which sees the role of the lecturer and researcher as clarifying and analyzing ideas without dealing with their instillation and their existential meanings for students. This distinction is similar to what I describe here. A lecturer is not supposed to be an educator, and it is not his job to deal with the existential ramifications of the ideas he teaches. He should focus on teaching the ideas themselves. A beit midrash or school should also deal with instillation, with the existential meanings of those ideas, and with ways to implement them. He engages in research and teaching; they engage in education.

In the controversy at the Hebrew University there was another approach, according to which part of the lecturer’s role is to educate the students and bring them to implement the ideas learned. Even if I accept that a lecturer may choose to engage in this, we should agree this ought not be the core aim of a lecturer in philosophy or Jewish thought. For an academic lecturer, such engagement can be a means that helps students better understand the ideas. Perhaps one can “hitch a ride” on the learning and also try to educate alongside it—but these are two different pursuits. Such a lecturer must understand that in doing this he dons a different hat. Here he is acting not as a lecturer but as an educator. Being an educator is a positive and important role, but it is not the lecturer’s mandate. We can debate whether a lecturer should “waste” academic time on education, and whether he has a mandate to engage in education when he is paid to teach and when students come to him to learn, not to be educated. But even if we accept that it is legitimate, we must concede it is not his core task. He volunteers to perform an additional (important) task different from his task as lecturer and researcher.

For my part, I also favor separating the tasks. I oppose agendas in academia (as far as possible), at least when this is not done transparently (i.e., when the lecturer presents his view rather than all positions and the arguments for and against each). The price of academic purism like mine is the severing of lecturers from tasks that may seem important and beneficial to us, such as educating for ethical behavior. This is true even when I agree with the lecturer’s stance, and all the more so when I disagree with the “educational” directions he chooses. Let him focus on transmitting knowledge and skill—that is his mandate. Values are not the mandate of academics. Give to the educator what is his, and to the lecturer and researcher what is theirs.[2] But that is merely my personal view.

The same distinction from another angle: “Adorn yourself first”

It is customary to demand of one who tries to move another person to action that he himself behave in the manner he demands of others. When I rebuke someone, he often retorts that I too act that way—in effect saying to me, “Adorn yourself first.” Is there substance to this demand? In my opinion, no. If Reuven scolds Shimon for improper behavior, Shimon should examine his words on their merits. If he discovers he was indeed wrong, he must mend his ways regardless of Reuven’s conduct. If Reuven himself is lacking in that matter, it is on Reuven to mend his ways; it is not a condition for his ability to rebuke Shimon.

Psychologically, we are built such that we do not accept rebuke from one who himself is not clean in the matter. But that is a psychological bug, not a substantive issue (no one is perfect). Therefore it is indeed advisable that we correct ourselves before rebuking others—and of course even without rebuking others—but that is only so that our rebuke will be received. It is a recommendation for the psychological effectiveness of rebuke, not an essential requirement. My being “fixed” is not a condition for my “right” to rebuke another, simply because I do not need a right to rebuke. The rebuke should be judged on its own merits, not by the question whether the rebuker has the “right” to say it.

We can formulate it thus. Rebuke can have two aims: (1) Cognitive-intellectual: to explain to the other how one ought and ought not behave. (2) Educational: to persuade him to act this way rather than that. Aim (1) does not depend on my being personally improved in the matter about which I rebuke my friend. But the chances of achieving aim (2) certainly do depend on that (unfortunately; as noted, it is a human bug).[3]

This distinction helps sharpen the difference between an educator and a lecturer. The rebuker serves in two roles: lecturer and educator. The lecturer transmits information, and that is unrelated to his personality and traits. The educator seeks to instill and achieve some personal-practical goal—and, sadly, because of our flawed human makeup, the chance of achieving it depends on the educator’s character and behavior. The educator is required to behave in accordance with the doctrine to which he educates, but the lecturer is not required to behave according to the doctrine he teaches.

We see that the tasks of material transmission (a lecture) and education are in many cases intertwined. Therefore the question whether we are dealing with education or with learning is not determined by what we do in practice but by the fundamental aim of the process. If the aim is educational and the learning only serves it, then it is education. If the aim is learning and the education only assists it or “hitches a ride” on it, then it is learning.

He to learn, and his son to learn

Our tradition has instilled in us a primary value and intuition regarding self-sacrifice to transmit Torah to the next generation. People sometimes feel they are merely a means for Torah to be passed to their children. But if one pushes this approach to the extreme (as sometimes occurs), it produces a very problematic and unreasonable picture. We can see this via the Talmudic sugya in Kiddushin 29b.

The Gemara cites a baraita that discusses a case where it is not possible for both the father and his son to study Torah extensively (Maimonides writes that in any case neither is completely exempt):

Our Rabbis taught: If he is to learn and his son is to learn—he takes precedence over his son. Rabbi Yehuda says: If his son is diligent and sharp and his learning is retained by him, his son takes precedence. As in the case of Rav Yaakov, son of Rav Acha bar Yaakov: his father sent him before Abaye; when he came, he saw that his teachings were not sharp. He said to him: I am preferable to you—go back, and I will go.

On the one hand, the initial ruling is that in such a case he takes precedence over his son—perhaps contrary to the initial intuition I described. The reason is that if each focuses on transmitting Torah onward and does not learn himself, then the son too will transmit Torah onward, to his own son, instead of learning himself. In the end, no one will truly learn Torah. For whom is this entire process undertaken? Someone also has to do the work itself—that is, to learn and develop the Torah. Transmission is only a means to the development of Torah; it cannot be the main goal of the process. Torah must stand at the center of our collective, intergenerational effort, not the father and not the son.

That is the baraita. But Rabbi Yehuda says that if the son is more successful in learning (in various parameters), then the son takes precedence. This continues the same pattern of thought. Although basically he precedes his son, for every person should engage in the important task himself (and the son, when he grows up, will do so as well), if the son is sharper and more successful in learning, then the son precedes. The reason is that the entire process of learning and teaching should be undertaken not for the son and not for the father but for Torah. Therefore, whichever of them is more successful should be the one to learn. The intergenerational transmission is carried out so that, ultimately, someone will do the work itself.

This picture is not only about father and son, but also about teacher and student, and about the public as a whole. There is a collective goal for the public to develop Torah. In a certain sense, we are all supposed to work for it, not it for us. The public must ensure there are among it Torah scholars whose concern is the development and refinement of Torah and delving into it. Everything else is peripheral. In this view, the transmission from teacher to student and to the community is merely a means. The goal is the learning itself.

Of course this is only a partial presentation. In the end, Torah does not stand alone; it is meant to be applied in reality by people. If we only learn and deepen and refine it without ensuring its dissemination and public observance, that is clearly a defective state. When I speak of seeing Torah as the goal, I mean Torah as embodied in individuals and in the community as a whole. Therefore, after the deepening, understanding, and refinement of Torah, it is important that we transmit it onward so that future generations will continue to do so. Still, I propose here a perspective different from the common one—if only by shifting the proportions between teaching and education, on the one hand, and the learning itself, on the other. From this picture it emerges that there is substance to viewing the sacred functionaries—rabbis, educators, judges—as important functions, but we sometimes forget that all this exists for the sake of those who do the work itself: developing and refining Torah. From the vantage point of eternity, what matters is who contributed to the development of Torah and left his imprint for future generations—i.e., to Torah itself. In this sense, we all work for the Torah scholar, not he for us.

Between educator and Torah scholar: “Mizrachnikim” and Haredim

For many years now we have repeatedly observed that among “Mizrachnikim” (religious-Zionists) there is usually an identity between a rabbi, or Torah scholar, and an educator. When I ask students after their hesder program whether they plan to continue learning long term, the answers hinge on prospective positions: rabbi, rosh metivta (R”M), judge, and the like. One remains to learn because he sees value in teaching or in holding some sacred office; another, for the same reason, does not remain (because he does not see value in it, or he does not think it suits him and/or that he will be hired). One can understand this as mere livelihood considerations, but my sense is that there is something more. The typical Mizrachi person identifies learning with preparation for sacred office. He lacks a model of a Torah scholar for wisdom’s sake. Often one can hear questions about the Haredim: Why do we need so many learners and Torah scholars? Do we need so many rabbis and judges? This rests on an implicit assumption that Torah study is a kind of professional training—that is, that learning and research are intended for the sake of teaching and education. Precisely the opposite of the picture I described above. The Haredi ethos (at least the Lithuanian one), by contrast, sees “rabbi” and “judge” almost as pejorative labels. There is a certain disdain for these offices, and many define them as learning “not for its own sake” but for the sake of livelihood (as is also cited in the name of the Chazon Ish). Even a rosh yeshiva, who certainly receives great honor there, is honored not because he is a teacher but despite being a teacher—because he is an original, profound Torah scholar (if indeed he is). This ethos is the polar opposite of the Mizrachi one.

Among “Mizrachnikim,” the honor accorded to Torah scholars is weighted primarily by their office, and much less by their spiritual and Torah level. A rosh yeshiva, head of a mechina (most of the public does not understand that this is something like a high-school teacher, more or less), a community or city rabbi—these are those who receive honor. A Torah scholar—however exceptional—figures less on the Mizrachi screen and range. One can see a rosh yeshiva/mechina whose Torah and spiritual level is a joke, yet he receives royal honor. The office creates the person—and even more so, the attitude he receives. That is also how they usually vet you for a position: they ask if you have rabbinic ordination, as if that were a condition for being a Torah scholar (and even as a condition for being hired not only as a rabbi). Thus the Chief Rabbi of Israel is received in our circles with an aura of sanctity, though he may be a fellow with the abilities of an average yeshiva student, with thinking ability and originality below average, and with a worldview and personality at a kindergarten level. Without referring to anyone personally, there is no doubt we have not had in a long time a Chief Rabbi whom one could truly call a profound and original Torah scholar of stature. But the Mizrachi public has lost its sense of smell for this. If he is the Chief Rabbi, he deserves royal honor. In Column 271 I noted several examples of this fascinating phenomenon, and due to the sensitivity I will not repeat them here. I think that in the Haredi (at least Lithuanian) world, even the balabatim and the amei ha’aretz have not lost their sense of smell, and honor is granted there more or less to those who truly deserve it (at least according to their view; there are distortions there as well, of course).

I noted this also in Column 139, where I discussed two rabbinic figures—both paragons whom I greatly esteem—yet the attitude toward them reflects this phenomenon. I also mentioned there my article on two models of rabbi and Torah scholar, comparing the two famous rabbis of Dvinsk (the Rogatchover and the Or Sameach), where I also discussed this comparison. In both places I described the tendency in our circles to see the rabbi as a public servant (a legitimate view in itself, of course), while ignoring the reverse picture in which we all exist for him. The assumption underlying the common view is that transmission and education are the main roles and missions of a Torah scholar, whereas the truth is the reverse. The sacred functionaries are means for transmitting Torah onward (education and teaching), which in itself is only a means to the fundamental goal of developing and refining Torah.

The complete picture

This picture presents a hierarchy among three functions: the learner/researcher, the teacher, and the educator. The researcher engages in developing and understanding Torah. The teacher engages in granting and transmitting it onward to future generations. The educator engages in instilling the matters so that they will also be actualized in practice and will continue to be transmitted onward. Perhaps we can expound the verse “Educate the youth according to his way; even when he grows old he will not depart from it,” which Rabbeinu Yonah interprets: he will not depart from the path of becoming educated. That is, the improvement is intended not so that he be improved, but so that he continues to improve (see more on this in Columns 170 and 360, and in my article here). Transmitting Torah also has the role that Torah will continue to be transmitted—but we must not forget that, at the very end, there is also a purpose to all these transmissions. We place great emphasis on the teacher and the educator, but we forget the conceptual aspect of this whole process, which in the end is intended for the researcher and the learner.

It may be that this problematic attitude is a reaction to the Haredi attitude, which suffers from the opposite problem. There, emphasis is placed only on the Torah scholar, regardless of office and benefit to the public. There too, the entire public is aimed toward that track, ignoring that not everyone is suited, and that it is also not right to build a public that consists only of Torah scholars. Torah needs to live among the people in the fields. The complete picture is a weave built from integrating these two axes: the principled-eternal view that sees everything as means for the Torah scholars in every generation (the teacher and educator are means to the researcher and learner), and the practical view that sees the application of Torah across broad layers in every generation—and the Torah scholars must serve that aim (here the learner and researcher are means for creating sacred functionaries—educators and teachers). Each of the two publics abandons one of these sides; but the complete picture must hold both in a balanced way. See on this Column 34.

So why was I offended?

For two main reasons: (1) The very identification testifies to a distortion of values and a warped perception of Torah and its study. I am certainly not an educator, for I engage in research and learning and a bit of teaching, but definitely not in education. If one calls me an educator, that expresses the distortion I have described here. But there is something beyond that. My feeling is that there is something inferior in the educational enterprise. It is about training people, using propaganda and appeal to emotion. It is a bundle of skills invented to deal with bugs and has no value in itself. In my eyes this is not of intrinsic value like Torah or wisdom. Before continuing, I will preface an apology for the elitism that will be displayed in the next lines—some of which will be very politically incorrect. I write them nonetheless because it is important to discuss them, particularly in light of the implications I described above.

There is no doubt we also need people who will engage in education; but this is a blameless necessity, not an exalted pursuit in and of itself. In a perfect world, research and teaching would suffice, and people who know what is right would proceed to do it. In our flawed world, we are all flesh and blood, dwellers in clay houses of dust, and therefore there is no escaping education. Because of our bugs, there must be a process that helps a person carry out what he already knows and believes. That is what education is for. But this is a pursuit comparable to technological skill—or the training and shaping of human beings. You deal with children or youth and their problems, and this is very important and helpful, but these are not matters of the loftiest order.

Here we can bring the words of the Gemara in Kiddushin 82a:

Our Rabbis taught: Whoever’s occupation is with women—keep far from him; such as: goldsmiths, carders, [perfumers?], peddlers, weavers, barbers, launderers, blood-letter, bathhouse attendant, and tanner—we do not appoint from them a king or a High Priest. What is the reason? Not because they are invalid, but because their craft is lowly. Our Rabbis taught: Ten things were said about the blood-letter: he walks on his side, his spirit is haughty, he hangs [himself], he sits, he is stingy, his eye is evil, he eats much and excretes little, and he is suspected of sexual immorality, of theft, and of bloodshed. Bar Kappara expounded: A man should always teach his son a clean and easy craft. What is it? Rav Yehuda said: …

The tanner (borski) is among the lowlier crafts whose occupation is with women (in the Sages’ eyes: impulsive and not sophisticated creatures), and whose “association is evil.” Even if we do not accept this regarding women—at least in our day—I think that regarding children it is certainly correct. The educator deals with children, not highly developed creatures, and he must treat them, develop them, and raise them.

On 82b the Gemara adds further:

It was taught: Rabbi says—there is no craft that will pass from the world. Fortunate is he who sees his parents in a superior craft; woe to him who sees his parents in an inferior craft. The world cannot exist without a perfumer and without a tanner; fortunate is he whose craft is perfumery, and woe to him whose craft is tanning. The world cannot exist without males and without females; fortunate is he whose children are males, and woe to him whose children are females. Rabbi Meir says: A man should always teach his son a clean and easy craft, and pray to Him to whom are wealth and property, for poverty does not come from the craft and wealth does not come from the craft, but to whomever wealth belongs—as it is said: “Mine is the silver and Mine is the gold, says the Lord of Hosts.”

True, everyone needs a tanner—but why am I to blame?! There are crafts that are very important and necessary, yet still inferior. Unlike the Sages, I don’t think I would advise people to avoid them, but I do agree that the esteem of a craft is not a function only of its necessity. One must examine the content one deals with, not only its importance; and in that sense, education is not a pursuit of the highest order.

I know this sounds bad to contemporary ears: every labor that provides livelihood is respectable, and who are we to build hierarchies among pursuits and among people (where is political correctness?!). And certainly when it comes to education, whose importance is hard to deny. But the Sages, freed from the shackles of (our) politics, do distinguish among labors and create a hierarchy of importance and stature. Engaging in Torah and being a Torah scholar is a pursuit with spiritual breadth and intrinsic value. Education is a blameless necessity. By the way, when I first heard that, it surprised me greatly: the mitzvah of chinuch is only rabbinic. Biblically there is no obligation to educate.

I am, of course, very glad there are idealistic people who volunteer to engage in education. This pursuit is vital and necessary for all of us, and we should appreciate those willing to enter that quagmire. Their work is with children (like those in the Gemara whose work is with women, or the tanner with hides, or the slaughterer with animals and birds). Yet although we should appreciate their idealism and be grateful for it, that does not mean the pursuit itself has spiritual breadth and is worthy of esteem. To sharpen: I am not saying there are no teachers and educators with spiritual breadth. There are (a minority, in my view). But the very educational act involves dealing with lowly matters—the stage after changing diapers.

As is known, the Gemara in Bava Batra 21a greatly praises Rabbi Yehoshua ben Gamla, who founded organized education in Israel:

For Rabbi Yehuda said in the name of Rav: Remember that man for good—Yehoshua ben Gamla is his name—for were it not for him, Torah would have been forgotten from Israel. For at first, whoever had a father taught him Torah, and whoever had no father did not learn Torah. What did they expound? “And you shall teach them (otam)”—read “you shall teach yourselves (atem).” They then instituted that they seat teachers of children in Jerusalem. What did they expound? “For from Zion shall Torah go forth.” Yet still, whoever had a father would bring him up and teach him; whoever had no father would not go up and learn. They instituted that they seat [teachers] in every province, and they would bring them in at age sixteen or seventeen; and if his teacher became angry at him, he would kick and leave—until Yehoshua ben Gamla came and instituted that they seat teachers of children in every province and in every city, and they would bring them in at age six or seven.

In my view, this is esteem for one who dedicates himself to a lowly craft for the sake of the public and the collective. He deserves great appreciation for his idealism—like one who dedicates his life to changing diapers. But this is not necessarily esteem for the capacities and the pursuit itself. As we saw above, there is a difference between saying that some pursuit is necessary and vital, and that we owe gratitude to those willing to engage in it, and saying that the pursuit is worthy of esteem in itself. In my estimation, that is the proper form of esteem due to educators: they give of themselves to a pursuit that lacks spiritual breadth and intellectual depth; for that they have my full appreciation. But from there to seeing them as Torah scholars—the distance is great. Incidentally, as far as I have seen, the Gemara does not cite Torah statements of Rabbi Yehoshua ben Gamla, and I do not know to what extent he was a Torah scholar. He may have been a great and idealistic teacher and educator (and also a High Priest in a pinch), but the gap between that and a Torah scholar is large.

Before you pelt me with your etrogim, I remind you that each of us accords importance to people, among other things also by their occupation. There are those who esteem athletes, rabbis, actors, singers, doctors, intellectuals, writers, poets, or professors. The meaning of this esteem is that there is added value to what they say by virtue of being such. Of course a person’s traits and personality are very important—not only his knowledge and field of occupation—but here I focus on the latter. An intellectual and spiritual pursuit has a unique added value that deserves esteem accordingly by virtue of the pursuit. Education is not such.

Claims that my words here hurt people and create an unjustified hierarchy are disingenuous. In our world there are hierarchies—some justified and most likely not. Shall we say that the views of our housekeeper, our cobbler, or our garbage collector likewise have added value? Clearly such people can be intellectuals and outstanding Torah scholars—and then, of course, it is important and very useful to hear their views. But that is because they are intellectuals and Torah scholars. Their occupation as such does not create that esteem. So it is with educators. In short: if we are to have a hierarchy, let it be the correct hierarchy.

The honor of educators remains in its place—but they are not necessarily Torah scholars and men of spirit. Some certainly are, but that is incidental, exactly as a garbage collector or housekeeper might be. It is not a direct outgrowth of being an educator, nor inherent to that pursuit. To some extent that is true of every occupation. A “man of spirit” is not a label for one who practices some profession—education, teaching, or anything else—but for one who truly is a man of spirit, by virtue of who he is and his achievements. Still, one who engages in an intellectual field has added value to his words also by virtue of his occupation, beyond his personality and character (with appropriate caution).

In sum: one can be an educator who stands head and shoulders above others, and he deserves esteem for that. But to say about someone that he is an educator is not equivalent to saying he is a Torah scholar or an intellectual. Therefore I, who am not an educator in any way, take that label as an affront. But for one who truly is such, it is clear that calling him an educator does not insult him.

The proper form of education

As noted above, this is an opportunity to add a few words about education as I see it. This is all the more necessary in light of what I wrote here. If indeed education is a kind of training and shaping, is there really room for such an enterprise? Why not leave the pupil to choose his path and shape his character on his own? As I wrote, it is a blameless necessity. The fact is that it is difficult for a person to shape himself entirely alone without the help of educators.

Still, in my view, one should strive for education to minimize as much as possible the components of training and propaganda. There are various euphemisms for this—warm attitude, warmth and love for the students, etc.—but all of these are meant to influence the student not through his cognition; therefore, in my view, although these are the essential components of the educational process, they are lowly actions (tannery). The rest of the components are not education but teaching and learning, as I have explained. I do not think we have the option to educate on the basis of learning alone (though that is how it ought to be), but we should strive to approach that. Present the pupil with the different options, teach him to analyze them and their advantages and disadvantages, and then also exhort him a bit toward the right direction. That too can be done in various ways. One can present him with role models, situations, events, or people, so that he can be impressed, connect, and form a position in worthy directions. But it is never pure learning. Without the educational component (again, learning is not essential to education), it is apparently not possible.

This kind of education takes risks, since the chance that the pupil will choose a path other than the one you are trying to direct him toward is great. In this educational path you acquaint him with different ways and encourage him to choose among them on his own, not merely permit it; therefore it is no wonder the results are less assured (though absolute certainty exists in no approach, of course). I have spoken more than once (see for example here and Columns 67 and 304) about the value of autonomy (that a person will do what he thinks) which is no less important than the value of truth (that he do what is right), and this applies to education as well.

I will not enter into details here, for this is not the place and I do not have a fully worked-out practical doctrine on the matter. But I have described the principled direction as an outgrowth of everything I wrote above, and may it be pleasant to the hearer (just bear in mind that I am not speaking as an educator).

[1] See in our article there further examples of splitting between the obligation and the responsibility to carry it out, mainly in communal commandments.

[2] Similar critiques arise with respect to educators and school principals who educate students according to their agendas (left–right, traditional–secular, etc.). There the critique is narrower and gentler, since educators’ mandate is indeed education and not only learning. The demand that educators not mix in personal agendas is harder to implement than in academia—if it is possible at all. If an educator understands that the occupation is corrupting and immoral, is it not right, from his perspective, to educate his students against the occupation? That is his mandate as an educator. The problem that leads to such demands of educators as well is that education in Israel is centralist—that is, funded and managed by the state’s Ministry of (Lack of) Education—and therefore parents do not know and do not determine according to which values their child will be educated (except religious vs. secular, and even that not entirely).

[3] It has an obvious evolutionary explanation: if every rebuker ensures he himself is improved, that is an optimal way to achieve general social improvement. If you are not improved, you will not be able to achieve improvement in the other. That gives you added motivation to be improved yourself.


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  1. You write here that an ethics lecturer does not have to adhere to ethical values in his behavior. But this contradicts what you have always said, that someone who says "an act is moral" but does not carry it out is flawed and this is a sign that he did not understand what "moral" is, because morality by its very definition requires that it be carried out; like someone who says "I know there is a God but I do not obey him" who probably does not really understand what "God" is.

    1. Interesting comment. But we must distinguish between the understanding that this is the right way to act and actual behavior. Many of us understand that it is right to do X and do not do it.
      But beyond that, it can be explained even without the above distinction. There may be a lecturer on morality who is well acquainted with all the methods and their meanings, but does not understand that this obliges him. This does mean that something in the meaning of the concept of morality is not clear to him, but the information and forms of thinking that he teaches can certainly be correct. By the way, there are quite a few moral scholars who, in my opinion, are in exactly this situation. All those who are not Kantians do not understand what morality is, but they are experts in moral analysis and moral methods.

      1. This means that consequentialists do not understand what morality is. Why? Their consequence is that there is a moral principle that determines what decisions should be made and that there is an objective obligation to uphold this principle. Why does the content of the principles concern the question of understanding the concept, and how does this debate differ fundamentally from debates among deontologists?

        1. Their result has a binding principle but it is not morality. I am talking about someone who does things to achieve the result and not someone who determines what is proper according to the result. In the second sense, Kant can also be defined as their result.

          1. What does it mean to do things to achieve the result? Why is he interested in that result?

      2. I once heard a story, I think it was told by Shalom Rosenfeld, remember it well.
        There was a Jew who was exiled in France between the world wars who was the “great light” of Catholic youth.
        And here, the great light was caught in a place where lights are not supposed to be.
        They said to him: How so? You? You are the compass of the generation.
        And the exiled one replied: I am the compass – not the north.
        So much for the ethics of the ethicists.
        Regarding the commandment of “Be gracious to me – I once heard from our Rabbi Michael Avraham (I think his name is Yehoshua) –
        that the blessing of Nehanin is from the Torah – for its source is the charge “ it is a reason – …”
        And in several places the Gemara asks, “Why did he call me?” It is a sabbarah. This means that what is observed from sabbarah is actually from the Torah.
        Therefore, since without educating children there would be no Torah (nor any other civilization), reason dictates that we must educate them.
        Therefore, singing to a child “Oga, Oga” is a mitzvah from the Torah, and not a lowly occupation.

        A healthy winter for all of us

        1. Exactly the same as tanning and changing diapers. For some reason I have the feeling that people don't really read what I write. That's legitimate of course, but then it's not worth responding and criticizing.

          1. And yet, thus said David before the Holy One, blessed be He: Lord of the world, am I not righteous? All the kings of the east and the west sit in assemblies in their glory, and I have royal hands, anointed with blood and sapphire and beryl, as if to purify a woman for her husband.

            Rest in peace! Our Master!
            I have read your words carefully. As you will argue later.
            It seems that King David disagreed with you.
            And more. You mentioned your article on the dismissal of Professor Rosenk from the Department of Jewish Thought.
            You emphasized there that you do not write “judgmental articles” that you are not an academic. Quote:
            “. Can a researcher engage in Jewish thought with academic (philological-historical) rigor, and then ask his students or readers what all this means for us/them? But that is only on the margins. A university deals with knowledge, not opinions. It teaches, not educates ”
            ???
            It seems that you are satisfied that you are not part of the ”teaching and not educating” .
            Have a good week and good news

              1. You did not address my comment that education is a mitzvah from the Torah.
                For clarification, see there.
                Despite my serious situation – I think I will be able to understand your answer.
                Thank you

              2. If you are optimistic then I will try. Your complaint is not about me but about the Gemara in the Sukkah which says that education is from the rabbis.
                See my article on the status of interpretations and there you will see what the meaning of an interpretation from the Torah is regarding the renewal of a renewed mitzvah (as opposed to a specification of an existing mitzvah).
                But of course none of this relates in any way to what I wrote.

              3. Please send me a link to your article. Maybe there will be fewer questions then.
                And in the meantime –
                The statement “time to do it’ – they violated your Torah “.
                What is its status? After all, it is impossible to claim that there is such a commandment in the Torah.
                After all, it is a kind of foundation for the entire Torah – there is a case where the abrogation of the Torah is its existence.
                After all, without education there would be no Torah (nor any civilization).
                Raising and nurturing children is the existence of the Torah –

                With greetings

                mozer

              4. The article is here on the site. Search: The status of sabbaths. See there that sabbath alone does not become a mitzvah.

  2. You got the Litvak in all its glory 🙂
    Apart from being a high-quality scholar, what other roles in society do you see as having value in themselves (even in a perfect world)?

    1. Not many. Intellectuals of all kinds, perhaps creators in various arts.
      Indeed, I am a proud Litvak (my initials for pride are Lehtev”l), as I have written more than once.

  3. You remind me a bit of the atheists who bother to explain at length why we are nothing more than a collection of choiceless and meaningless atoms, and then go and dedicate their lives to helping, kindness and other noble (and meaningless) values. You explained at great length why in your opinion education is an inferior occupation (come on, the comparison to changing diapers was mainly to annoy, right?) and all of this in a long column within a long blog that is just part of a vast corpus of your books, articles and publications, the large and significant part of which (even if not all) is intended to encourage people to think, to make accurate arguments, to be honest, truthful, courageous and intellectually honest, and to build a more worthy society in your opinion. Dear Rabbi Mikhi, whether you like it or not, even if most of your time you engage in Torah only for the sake of developing the Torah and deepening it, you devote a lot of energy, strength and emotions to educating those around you. Sometimes you also do a pretty good job. “Educate” does not necessarily mean indoctrination, even the opposite. Educating people to think independently is education par excellence, and I think quite a few educators (brrr..) would agree with that. But that's okay. I'll just draw your attention to the fact that your long column here ultimately contains a clear synthetic circular argument. Your starting point is that Torah research is more superior than the growth of good and moral people. It's legitimate to think so, but this entire long column is nothing more than defining the concepts from which you decided which one is more important than the other, without explaining why that is so – and as mentioned, all of this within a format, much of which is highly educational. Therefore, I assume you understand why there is no reason for anyone who thinks differently than you to be convinced by this column. This is one of the things I learned from you.. 🙂

    (And just to clarify, the response is written with great appreciation and love for your work - both Torah and educational..)

    1. David Shalom.
      First, my columns are about teaching, not education. In the column, I insisted that this is a significant difference, even if not a sharp one. My main goal is to clarify ideas and direct thinking, not to instill behaviors. I do devote efforts to this because of the importance of the matter, but the main value in my opinion is the research and thinking itself, not the teaching.
      Beyond that, in my words in the column, I devoted parentheses to explicitly excluding education for thinking and wisdom, which is not similar to education for values, religiosity, or any other form of life. Wisdom and correct thinking are things that are very difficult to separate between research and teaching, because someone who does not engage in research and thinking about them will have great difficulty teaching them (in fact, will do so incorrectly, because in many cases he himself does not think correctly). Therefore, it is precisely here that the teacher is asked to be a researcher as well, and vice versa.
      In a certain sense, and certainly for someone who trusts in logical techniques, every argument assumes what is sought and therefore, ostensibly, is not supposed to convince. As I wrote regarding belief in God, there is a possibility of convincing, but only those who believe in him in their hearts but are unaware of it. The same is true regarding my arguments and any other argument of someone else. I think that people can encounter a column or some argument that they do not agree with its conclusion and be convinced, because the truth dictates its path. When they see things, they understand that they agree with them.
      Furthermore, sometimes a person changes his basic assumptions, especially when he sees what conclusions follow from them. This is another way to convince even in a strictly logical world.
      By the way, it seems to me that you are a very good example of people whose thinking and behavior I am quite proud of. I am very happy to read your criticisms, and even allow myself to think that I have a small part in them. I am writing this to show that it is possible to have an impact, contrary to what you wrote here (or at least what you put in your mouth).

      1. By the way, I have to admit something else here. Teaching actually helps me with studying and research. In terms of definitions, I separate the two activities, but for me they are carried out simultaneously. When I write about a certain topic, it helps me think and examine it. And of course the responses help me even more. Therefore, at least for me, teaching is in the interest of studying, researching, and thinking.

        1. And another addition: writing is part of the very development of the Torah itself. Without delivering to the public (very nicely, about a shekel) what you have brought up in your hand, it is not really development of the Torah. Only when you have delivered the result to the public can it be said that the Torah has developed. Now others can build additional layers and levels on it. I think this is the main focus of my writing, and therefore the problem is mainly litha.
          I just discussed this on Talkback here: https://mikyab.net/posts/7298#comment-55486

      2. Certainly there is a possibility to influence! And truly, when I am asked to name people who have influenced my way of thinking and the way I see the world, you are one of the first (and only) names that come to mind. Unequivocally, and thank you for that! I simply think from my acquaintance with you and your activities, these are goals that are important to you as well. And so we are entering the world of semantics here in the question of what is considered “education”. In my opinion, what you do is definitely considered education, and it seems to me that it is very important for you to know that your students are emerging as people with independent and clear thinking. Not only in terms of the contribution of such thinking to research in the world, but because there is value in it, because it is a high expression of our humanity, and if you manage to help men and women implement this thing, it is an achievement, I think in your eyes too. I understand that you are dividing between education for thinking and education for values, but I think that this division is artificial to a certain extent, because at least I (and it seems to me that you are too, at least it seems so from the efforts you devote to the matter) – believe that sharp thinking free from bias is a value, to a large extent, even if it may sound pompous – it is the implementation of our image of God, certainly according to Maimonides” but not only. And if we define education a little differently – not as “implanting values” but as “growing people”, I don't think that the nickname “educationist” would offend you to the same extent. And rightly so.

        1. But it is mainly the imparting of a skill, not education. This is where education for thinking differs from any other education (even if we say that education for thinking is itself a value, as you wrote).

          1. If this is nothing more than imparting skills, then is the rabbi essentially like a couturier? Because a couturier (supposedly) imparts the skill of executing confidence, courage, and ability.
            Or perhaps the rabbi is like a basketball/fitness coach, such a coach also imparts skill, whether the skill of throwing or of pushing weights.
            Or perhaps the rabbi is actually like a teacher! But a driving instructor, a driving instructor also imparts the skill of operating a vehicle on a regular basis, and also through the knowledge that is passed on from you we learn how to drive.

            1. Indeed, the same thing. There is only a difference between the skills and knowledge imparted in the two cases. Knowing how to drive a car has no spiritual-intellectual value.

              1. Does knowing how to drive a car have no spiritual-intellectual value? Isn't that a 'carriage act'! 🙂

                Is there any better meditation than concentrating on driving, which requires concentrating all your strength to 'read the road', perfect coordination and complete control of the car?

                Best regards, Wingguru Shimananda Putvakar

  4. In the 1st of Cheshvan, 5772

    Everyone is an ‘educator’, whether they like it or not, and especially if they are talented and knowledgeable or are very active. Their words and actions influence those around them, especially those younger than them, who see them as a ‘model figure’ from whom one should learn a worldview and ways of life.

    Just as Abraham had students who learned from him to be ‘loving the place and loving the people’, so Balaam had students who learned from him to hate and despise others. We are all ‘educators’ who influence others. Blessed is he whose influence works in a positive direction.

    With blessings, Sha”[from Hanukkah”]l

    Indeed, ‘education’ is like ‘education is a tool’, the first use of which is for holiness. Likewise, a worthy educator does not ‘do all the work’ for his disciple, but opens up paths and directions of thought, with which the disciple will continue on his own.

    And so in ’Yirah Itanim’ we opened our hearts and strengthened our aspiration for goodness, but this is only ’Hanukkah’, the beginning of the path that was deepened and opened up in the gray days of routine.

    1. And so, it seems that after five posts about the commandments and their boundaries, the site owner can at least be considered an educational facilitator 🙂

      With greetings, Shtsem Hankel

      1. Even Abraham was commended by his Creator for being a man of education, as it is written: “For I know him so that he will command his children and his household after him, and they will keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and to do good.” It is not for nothing that the Torah defined the commandment of its study by saying, “And you shall teach it to your children,” to teach us that the essence of Torah is to be “teaching.”

        With blessings, Sh.

          1. Even from the reason for the precedence of his teacher over his father, which his father brought to the present life and his teacher over the present life, it seems that his teacher's precedence is not only because of his great knowledge of Torah, but because of his educational influence on his student.

            With blessings, Sh”t

            What's more, ’pedagogy’ is a great profession in Torah, and just as there is greatness in study, greatness in proficiency, and greatness in ruling, – so there is greatness in understanding the student's soul and penetrating its depths. It is Torah and it requires great study.

  5. I don't understand how you can compare educators to diaper changers. It's true that both of them do things that are important to the world, but educators care about the future world, raising wise scholars. This is definitely a very important and worthy thing. Just as being a doctor is worthy and honorable, so is being an educator. In the end, an educator has one of the most important roles there is.

      1. And regarding changing diapers –

        Even King David praised himself for saying ’My hands are dirty with innocent blood and the placenta to purify a woman for her husband’ and Moses already answered his angels in the Seretah who wondered what the divine Torah had to do with ’material impurities’, that precisely because of the dirt and lowliness in human nature, man needs the Torah to penetrate the abysses and defilements in which man dwells, and from there the Torah will elevate his soul.

        The tanner's work is difficult and involves a lot of dirt and filth, but the product is of lasting value for many years, compared to the work of the full-bodied perfumer, which exudes the fragrances of Paradise, but they evaporate in a short time. And so it crushes the work of the educator, whose influence is noticeable and preserved for many years..

        With the blessing of Shabbat Tava, Hanoch the Younger Feinschmer Palti

  6. Footnote. You wrote that even an adult is obligated by the law of education as a minor when he is not obligated. What is the explanation for this? A minor is obligated by education in what, in his adulthood, he would be obligated by Torah. But if even an adult is exempt, then what does education have to do with something from which he is always exempt. Just as Israel does not need to practice kimitza in offerings. I remember they say that even if a dangerously ill person who eats on Yom Kippur is obligated by kiddush as in Shabbat, a normal minor who eats on Yom Kippur is not obligated by kiddush by the law of education, since in his adulthood such eating would be prohibited.

    1. In the book of לאיטנים פב

      לטירגיצ – האינים פב

      לאטיגז – האלהים חלום בעל,

      The discussion of the one who is obligated by education was regarding a mitzvah that he began to fulfill at a time when he was obligated by the rabbis, such as a child who grew up in the middle of Yochak or in the middle of the counting of the Omer (and the one who does not leave the ”t in the fast/counting that began at the time of the rabbis' obligation), and they said that he must then complete his fast/counting from the law of education in order to accustom him to the coming years when he will fulfill the mitzvah from the Torah.

      With blessings, Tir Gul

    2. I wrote that it is easier according to the Toss method, which states that the obligation is on the little one himself. It is unlikely that the elder who cannot fulfill his obligation from the Torah did not impose such an obligation on the rabbis. But even according to Rashi's method, which is about parental education, my argument is that they removed the obligation of education from the elder because he already fulfills the Torah. But as long as he does not fulfill it, there is no reason to remove the obligation of education from him.
      Education is to fast, and in this he will be obligated when he grows up. One does not educate him to fast when he grows up in the middle of the day, just as one does not educate him to fast in the year 557, because that too will not return when he grows up.
      Regarding the little one who eats every day, this is a story that I brought about the Aven when he was little.

      1. Anyone who swears that they will make spaghetti in a week should start making spaghetti today, according to the law of education?

        1. How did we arrive at these points? Before the week is over, he has no obligation at all, not because of his age, but because the time of obligation has not arrived. This is within the limits of the oath and not within the limits of the person. I also argue that someone who for some reason (onan) refrains from the commandments will perform them according to the rabbis.

          1. Even a minor who has grown up, if he is exempt from the fast, is not obligated at all, not because of his age, for he is an adult, but because that is the law of fasting. On a feast day, all who are elderly are exempt from the Torah, then according to the rabbis, a minor is not obligated.

            1. It's because of his age. He commits to something at the beginning of the day and then he was small and therefore didn't commit.

              1. On second thought, I don't know why I didn't accept it in the first place. It's really unlikely that a small person would suddenly formally fall between the chairs and not even be required to pay a rabbi.

  7. I was a little surprised that people defined you as an educator. What immediately jumped out at me was your opinion on white lies, which you also fundamentally oppose (apart from the fact that in practice, in your opinion, the harm outweighs the benefit) and in my opinion (you will probably disagree with me) an educator is occasionally required to tell white lies.

    1. This is an interesting comment. I think the consideration of needing them is essentially educational. You are right about that. But as you noted, I also think that the harm outweighs the benefit, and therefore, educationally, it is usually not right to use them.

  8. According to Even Shushan's dictionary, education has 3 meanings:
    Education:
    1. The acquisition of habits, ways of thinking and behavior; the development of the minds, character and spiritual abilities of the students in accordance with a specific ideal goal (as opposed to “teaching”, whose main purpose is the acquisition of knowledge and education): the upbringing of children in the home of the book. Education for the life of a society. Education for my religion.
    2. Faith, the custom is graded in a matter: “Infants are not cared for on the Day of Atonement, but those who educate them for a year or two are allowed to be weaned. What is this education? There was a custom to eat in two hours, feeding him in three” (Yoma Feb.).
    3. Chanukah, a ceremony for the initiation of a new generation, the firstfruits of a new year, the opening of a business, and the like: “He who is ordained to be a high priest, brings two, one for his initiation and one for the duty of the day” (Yerushalmi Shekalim 54). “The initiation of a menorah and its lamps” (Torah, Supplement 1, Shavuot).

  9. As Rabbi Natan Kaminetzky, the late Rabbi, described in his infamous story in the Haredi community. Even in the Haredi community, there is a significant change in the scale of values of a rabbi who is a scholar. The public is slowly flowing towards Hasidism and increasingly values "special" people and phenomena rather than classical scholars who study the Torah in depth. See the "Yanuka" phenomenon. I am no longer sure what is better: a rabbi who received a ordination certificate and can barely understand the question of the Tosafot and certainly cannot make it difficult for him, God forbid, anything. Or a miracle rabbi who is doubtless an Admor, doubtless a circus animal.

  10. There is a human bug that people do not know the truth. In a reformed world, people would know the whole truth and their whole job is to apply it.
    Now seriously.
    After all, every wise person understands that true appreciation is based on work and overcoming, not on results. An educator gives people the skills to internalize that there is good and evil in the world and gives them the reason to choose the good. This is the whole person. A person who achieves high achievements but whose behavior is bad, arrogant and offensive. Many people will value him much less than the person who corrects his standards. Now, an educator is certainly at a very high level because he instills in people the skills for which we came into the world.
    To say that it is a human bug that we do not practice what we know is complete folly because this is the person, this is his work and this is what he was created for. And to liken it to removing a side obstacle like changing titles is delusional.
    It is still possible that the wise scholar is better, even though the educator will make more people become wise scholars and it should be discussed.

    1. In the S”D A’ Dr”H Cheshon P”B

      To the clear man – Greetings,

      You have beautifully presented the importance of the educator who inspires his students to choose wisely and well. Apparently, there can be no separation between the two roles. The educator needs deep and broad knowledge of Torah, it is impossible to love and be loved by what is not known. Only ‘when the oven is full’ himself – does he warm those around him, so the educator must be a scholar of Torah to the fullest extent.

      Even a scholar, whose main occupation is the study of Torah and its development, cannot be confined to an ’academic tower’, for the more his greatness becomes known to the public – the more people turn to him to receive guidance in Halacha and worldview. And as his boundary with students expands, he becomes more and more of an educational figure who influences those who listen to him and seek his advice.

      So that a 'wise student' and an 'educator' are not separate identities, but are integrated into each other

      With greetings, Nehorai Shraga Agami-Psisowitz

      By the way, there is also a 'diaper changing' side to teaching 🙂 A good teacher listens patiently to the ideas that his students 'eject', and in his relevant comments, teaches his students to distinguish between immature thought and revised and well-founded thought that stands the test of review.

  11. You wrote to the Tosafot that education, like Chanukah, is the beginning of the thing itself and therefore it is (also) the duty of the little one. From the meaning of the word, it seems a bit the opposite, in Chanukah the whole thing is the beginning of the perfect thing and not before. The one who builds a new house and does not dedicate it returns from the war, apparently even if during the construction he sleeps in the unfinished house once or twice, that this is not his dedication at all. By the way, Rad”k in the root Chanak writes “the beginning of eating in a new house will be called education just as it would be called the beginning of learning in a boy” (and not as a way to separate initiation from Chanukah) but that seems narrow to me.
    And why do the Tosafot need to interpret the word education in the instruction of Chanukah and not interpret it as a rabbinic instruction in the instruction of learning preparation and assimilation. Apparently your intention is that such education of learning and preparation comes by its nature from others and therefore does not fit with the Tosafot that the little one is obligated to do so. But one could easily say to the Tosafot that a person's duty is to educate themselves to learn, prepare, and practice, just as in driving lessons one practices correct parking [and if so, wouldn't it be "easier and more appropriate" to leave the duty of education largely to the Tosafot than to Rashi].

    1. ואולי גם 'חניכיים' =התחלת העיכול? (לטירגיץ) says:

      In the book of Laitanim, p.b.

      To Tirgitz, greetings,

      According to the way of Radek, education is the beginning of learning, just as the dedication of a house is the beginning of living in it (one of its manifestations is eating a regular meal). It is possible to say that even the gums in a person's mouth are called that because they begin the digestion of food, by the molars and the dissolving saliva.

      The root "lamed" in the Bible can also be interpreted in the sense of "to accustom", as in "war scholars", accustomed and experienced; And so ‘and you shall teach your sons to speak in them’ = to train them to speak in them.

      ‘Learning’ in the language of the sages is also ‘ordering’, as stated on the sons who ’taught them’ = ‘arranged them’. Many times the best and most successful teaching is to arrange the subject before the student in its flavors and methods, while clarifying the explanations and reasonings here and there, and when there is order and clarity in thought – the learner's path to making sound decisions is paved.

      With blessings, Tir Gul

      In the verse: ‘Train up a child in his way, even when he is old he will not depart from it’ (Proverbs 22:6) there are two approaches in the commentators. According to Rashi, R. Yosef, R. Moshe Kimchi, and the Mairi (in the first interpretation) ‘Enoch’ is a commandment: ‘Teach the boy morality according to his own path, his attainment appropriate to each age, and then the lesson will remain in his heart until old age’.

      However, R. D., Harlev”3 and ’There are commentators’ who, in Mairi, interpreted ‘Enoch’ in the sense of ‘habit’: If you leave the child in his own path and habits and trust that when he grows up he will choose the good path– it will not succeed, because if he gets used to going back to the ways of his heart, ‘Even when he grows old he will not turn away’ From his immature path.

      1. In the concordance "Heichal HaKodesh" by Dr. Shlomo Mendelkern, two opinions were presented regarding the root of the word "Hakha" (oral cavity), in which the inflections have an emphasis. According to the ancients, the root is "Hakha", but Radak, on behalf of his father, explained that "Hakha" is from the root "Hanak" and so is it in Arabic and Syriac.

        According to this, it must be said that both the education of a person and the initiation of a house are intended to begin his journey with good taste, so that ’his palate will taste to eat’, so that the good taste at the beginning of the journey will arouse the desire to continue and persevere, and as we ask in the Torah blessing:L ‘And please put the words of Your Torah in our mouths and in the mouths of our descendants…’.

        With blessings, Hanoch Zundil Feinschmecker

      2. Radek's words still seem urgent to me, because certainly not every beginning is called initiation, and what do these two beginnings have in common: the beginning of use and the beginning of teaching. Furthermore, as long as the servant and even later the student is called an initiate, that is, education is the entire process and not the beginning. And why is it necessary to find a common meaning for initiation and initiation, even though a common meaning is sought for a servant and a servant.

        Regarding the word "chek," it seems more likely to me that the root "chek" is like all its friends, "am hetz lev tshel ken ketz eta shadgushim ben tiya יִמֵּךְ חִצַּי לִבֵּעְ". And dropping the verb n seems to me to be rarer, although Radak also wrote this about Bat, whose root is Benat (as in Arabic), as opposed to Kaf, whose pronunciation is Kaf with emphasis, and he did not say that the root is Knaf, and the Knaf is like a spoon, and the cherubim spread their wings as they spread their hands in prayer. And if it is true that the part of the mouth next to the palate is called the gums, rather it means that the palate is separate and the gums are separate. Mm, all of this is a necessary path and there is no nefek.

        1. In the S.D. of B. Bachshon, P.B.

          Lat. G. A. Gott Tag,

          Mandelkern helped explain that Rad's father, Shehak, is from the root "Hanak" from Arabic and Syriac, where the "Hanak" is probably derived from the root "Hanak". Since the language of the Sages was influenced by Aramaic, it turns out that even the "Chinchi" [= "Chinichiyim"] are called this way because they mark the boundaries of the "Chinchiyim".

          Even the emphasis in the inflections "Hanak" (‘Api’ ‘Aphek’ and so on) derives from the root ‘Anf’, for anger is from the root ‘Anf’, as ‘Odech Ha’ Ki Anafet Bi’, and even the snout is called ‘Af’ because it is the beauty of the face, in Aramaic ‘Anfin’. Likewise, ‘Abi Hanahal’ has roots ‘Anb’, [in Aramaic ‘Peri’] as ‘Vanba Sagi’ (Daniel 4:18). And so is the image you mentioned between ‘hand’ and ’wing’.

          In any case, both ‘housewarming’ and ‘education’ are matters of ‘beginning’. Therefore, ‘Abram's apprentices’. They are ‘born in his house’ who were educated by him ‘from a young age’ and have absorbed his way, the way of grace and peace, and are not professional warriors like the soldiers of the four kings. Those ‘apprentices’ are not Abraham's slaves, but independent people, since Abram is careful that they take their share of the spoils. If the boys were Abram's slaves, then ‘what a slave buys, his master buys’..

          Abram's apprentices are independent people, who have absorbed from their educators both the love of kindness and peace, but also the aspiration for justice without compromise, and therefore they fight fiercely against an enemy stronger than them, since their advantage is in their fearless spirit.

          With blessings, Hanoch Hanach Feinschmecker-Palti

          And this is indeed the difference between an ‘apprentice’ and an ’official’. An official acts by virtue of an order, and fears his superior who may order him to pay for the sin of his negligence.

          In contrast, the apprentice’ absorbs the spirit and way of his educator, and even if he grows old or moves away from his educator – The apprentice will remain faithful to the spirit and values he received from his educator. The apprentice does not need the ’whip’ commander who threatens him.

          And so when the Rabbi Kook, the father of the Rabbi, commented on a certain detail that he did not like in the leadership of the yeshiva students, and asked his son ‘Why don't you give them an order to behave differently’ – the Rabbi answered him: ‘When you taught me the Holy Language, wasn't it from the board of ‘I commanded you to command you’ 🙂

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            … The face, in Aramaic: ‘anfin’. …

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            … And they are not professional warriors like the soldiers of the four kings. …

          2. The examples are beautiful, my father (and so is the emphasis on your daughter) thank you

          3. The double meaning of the root ‘فقد’ – both the command and the test of whether the command is complete and the reward involved in this ’فقدية; may also be related to the close root ‘فقد’, since fear stems from the concern about ’what you will do on the day of command’..

            With best regards, Hafs Palti

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              … the check whether the order is filled, and the reward associated with this ’ clerk’ – …

              1. And beyond the common root (according to Rad”k's father) – the ’cheek’ is a powerful tool in the hand of the educator, who’s true will spell cheek’, and when his words are spoken with – Arabs are the cheek of the student (and in the Aramaic of the Book of Daniel, the speech is called ‘taem’).

                With greetings, Haf”sh Palti

                Even the ’smile’, even though its root is ‘cheek’, is useful for ’education’ 🙂

              2. And perhaps the shared root between ‘חנאה’ and ’חכ’ derives from the fact that education in the ancient world was based on memorization, as it is written ‘And she taught the children of Israel and put them in their mouths’.

                Even a rabbi, in instructing his student Rav Shmuel bar Shilat to burden his students with knowledge, uses the image of eating: ‘Add to it and it will be as the Torah’.

                With the blessing of Hafs Palti

                And perhaps the dedication of the house also concerned filling it with dwellings.

              3. Beautiful
                And perhaps in this way, education in animals is done with a switch and a bridle in its mouth, and by this it is pulled and directed and educated, and this is education in the mouth.

              4. In the Bible, the word "teach" is used to describe animals.

                We have not found, neither in the Scriptures nor in the language of the sages, "education" for animals. Only in humans is it said, "He trained the boy according to his way," and "He spat on his teeth," but in animals, we do not find "education."

                In modern Hebrew, the concept "taming" is used for animals, but in Aramaic, "alef" is learning, and it also speaks of humans. In Job, there is "He trained us from the beasts of the earth," and there the man is the one who learns from the beast.

                What we found in the Bible about animals is ‘knowledge’, ‘an ox knows its owner’s crib, and a donkey its owner’s crib. The ox knows its owner‘s crib, the one who nurtures it (as ‘your father has nurtured you, he has made you, and he has prepared you’); and the donkey knows the one who feeds it, the one who fills its crib.

                And through ‘We have taught the beasts of the earth’ we learn that the bond between the apprentice and the educator comes from gratitude for the dedication of the educator who invests in nurturing him and fills his ‘manger’ with knowledge and ways of thinking.

                With blessings, Hanoch Hanach Feinschmecker-Palti

                And perhaps ‘educate’ It is also related to the "educator", since the educator opens up "glimpses" for his student into the worlds of the spirit and thought.

              5. Regarding the dedication of the house (as it is written, “Whoever builds a house and does not dedicate it”), perhaps the reference is to the completion of the work of building the house, which is the placing of the doors (as Joshua says: “With his firstborn he shall lay its foundation, and with his youth he shall set up its doors”).

                The “palate” and the “gingival crevices” are also the doors through which a person enters from his physical food, doors that a person is supposed to open or close as he chooses.

                Even regarding human education, it can be said that it is the placing of “doors” through which knowledge will enter and exit, ways of thinking and communication, through which a person will exchange ideas with the world, will receive inwardly what he decides is worthy of receiving, and will express outwardly what he believes is worthy of offering to the many.

                And as the Maharal explained the meaning of the Halacha, “He who is deaf gives him his whole blood,” since “his form,” the essence of a person, is the ability to communicate with the world, to receive opinions from others, and to express opinions to others. Therefore, according to the Maharal, someone whose opinion is limited only to “his own juice” and cannot exchange opinions with others suffers from a fundamental deficiency.

                With blessings, Hafs Falti

                And according to this way, I jokingly explained that the purified leper receives a blessing on the two main organs used to receive information: the ear, with which one hears, and the toe, with which one scrolls the “smart phone” 🙂

          4. In the 13th chapter of the book of the Hebrew Bible, I wrote that Abram's servants were not slaves but independent people. This is true and not correct. In terms of their status, they were slaves, as it is written: "And he and his servants quarreled over them at night." But Abram does not treat his servants as his servants, but rather he arouses them to war as his apprentices.

            Even in his prayer, he says, "And the son of my household is Eliezer of Damascus," and he refrains from calling him "my servant," and indeed when he sets out to fulfill Abraham's mission, He acts out of complete identification with the spirit of Abraham, and therefore the Scripture calls him ‘the man’.

            With greetings, Hafs Palti

            1. It is worth noting that in the Bible, the word "educate" is always expressed in the word "build", while in the language of the Sages, "educate" is in the word "work". Apparently, the further one gets from the light of prophecy, the harder one has to work in the work of education 🙂

              With blessings, Hafs Palti

    2. In my opinion, Tos’ means that the minor is truly obligated to perform the mitzvot, but the Torah did not obligate him because he has no responsibility. But the rabbis obligate him and place the responsibility on the parents.
      According to your view, the minor is not obligated by the mitzvah itself from the rabbis, but is obligated by the rabbis to educate himself for the mitzvah. According to this, he cannot issue a large yada’ch that is obligated by the rabbis.

      1. Why is it impossible for one to be obligated by the mitzvah itself from the rabbis and the reason in order to educate oneself for the mitzvah. Like the mitzvah to light a candle on Shabbat and some reason. And even if there are different rabbinical obligations, who said that they do not exclude each other, for example, one ate a kazait and is obligated to recite the blessing of food from the rabbis and one doubts whether he has already recited the blessing of food and is obligated to recite the rabbis (Lam”d sfeqa da’Oriyat kol’a da’Oriyat), it is clear to you that the one who is obligated to recite does not exclude the kazait?

        1. This is not the same. In both doubt and in bechazeit, he is obligated by the Rabbinical Law in the mitzvah of Birkat Hamazon. But the minor is obligated in the mitzvah of education for Birkat Hamazon. This is a different mitzvah and not an obligation for a different reason in the same mitzvah.
          All of this is assuming that it is indeed not an obligation in the mitzvah of Birkat Hamazon. But you are right that it is possible that the obligation is in the mitzvah of Birkat Hamazon and education is the reason. Still, in my opinion, this is not the simple matter. Certainly according to what I explained in the Toss. It does not make sense that the minor is obligated in the mitzvah itself only by the law of education, and yet it is the parents who are responsible for fulfilling it

          1. In another response, you discussed that even for someone who says, "Speka da' Torah la homura da' Torah," it is still possible that the doubt does not exclude the certain. And so I thought that according to this, even a rabbinic doubt does not exclude the food as an olive (but in the rabbinic tradition, all debts are added up in the name of one rabbinic tradition, and a small one will exclude a large one among the rabbinic traditions).

            1. I really doubt whether the one who is obligated to provide removes the doubt. Simply put, no (but I haven’t checked yet). But it should be discussed whether this is because the obligation of the doubter is not the obligation of the blessing of food but an independent obligation (as the recent ones have investigated regarding the rule of doubt from the Torah for the more serious). But here it is very unlikely, since the obligation to be strict in doubts is in order to come out of the blessing of food itself. Therefore, it is quite clear that here the obligation is to bless the blessing of food from the law of the commandment of the blessing of food and not from any other law.
              Therefore, it is more likely that the reason the doubter does not remove the doubt is because of the level of obligation and not its type. And further evidence for this is that the doubter does remove the doubt.

              1. The opinion of the Rekah is that even if there is doubt about a matter of Torah, there is no doubt that it is certain, since it is certain, “it still remains in doubt that the obligation is that the one who issues it has already blessed,” and not according to the meaning of the Farach. The explanation of the Rekah is that if the doubter has truly blessed and is exempt from the blessing of food itself and is subject to the law of doubt, this is not the same type of obligation that can issue a matter of certainty. [According to this, the same applies, for example, if a person has a doubt about a matter of rabbinic doubt, he issues a matter of certainty, as if he were also subject to the law of rabbinic judgment. Therefore, all rabbis issue one another, and a minor will issue a major in the rabbinic judgment, even if the minor’s mitzvah is an education]. https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%d7%9b%d7%95%d7%a4%d7%99%d7%9f-%d7%a1%d7%a4%d7%a7-%d7%a2%d7%a9%d7%94

                The difference between level and type (quantitative or qualitative difference) is not clear to me. And from the law that certainly removes doubt, there is no evidence that it certainly relieves the obligation of doubt from the root. And after all, it is like someone who took an oath of money on behalf of one person and came to another and paid for him (or even he jumped in and paid) who is certainly freed from the oath.

              2. Rek”a is not talking about a difference in type but about the possibility that you have already blessed. This means that on the side that you did not bless, you can indeed issue a yad”h. He does not see the obligation to tighten the spikat as a new obligation.
                According to his view, it seems that if there is a doubt about the severity of the rabbinate, he still cannot issue a rabbinate, since there is a side that did not bless. Although if he does so anyway, then in retrospect we are left with a doubt about the rabbinate and one should not bless again. But there is a significant explanation that initially one should not issue.
                Regarding the certainty that one issues a doubt, your words seem to be correct. But it is also possible that this is only in retrospect, since if he blessed, then the one who is doubtful is out of the spikat. But the question of whether to issue from the beginning is not entirely simple to me, since now he has a renewed obligation to issue a spikat. And yet from the explanation it seems to be what you say.

              3. Even if it were as you say in Reka, it is still possible that the one who ate the olive oil could get the debtor out of the rabbinate's jurisdiction.

  12. A. I was a young student when I first encountered Carl Rogers' wonderful book, "The Freedom to Learn." I was studying at Jerusalem College at the time, for a teaching certificate, and reading the book was part of the reading assignments. When I encountered the book at that conservative religious institution, something was very surprising, and reading it changed my life. I couldn't believe that someone had formulated so well the things I thought about education and teaching myself. I don't remember much from the book, mainly I remember his wonderful demand for the teacher, for honesty and authenticity. For students to share his thoughts, his hesitations.
    I just searched a little on Google and found this link, which summarizes quite well the things I remembered from the book:
    https://kotar.cet.ac.il/kotarapp/index/Book.aspx?nBookID=92283558
    Of course with a caveat – This is about a psychologist, and a fascinating discussion in the humanities, not about you.

    B. In the above post, a rag doll of an educator shrouded in clichés, a declamation and a manipulator, was built for the Talpiots, who would not give a second glance to anyone with sense. The serious students, at least, are not stupid, and when they encounter such a missionary, they look the other way and do not even think of listening to the drugged rag in front of them, no matter whether he educates for communism, atheism or the fear of God.

    C. Sorry, but I do not believe in the split described between teacher and educator. When you peel away the caricature you drew here from the educator, what remains is a decent person who has knowledge that he seeks to share with other people, usually young people. Thirsty for knowledge (well, usually). There is no knowledge without tools for processing it, without criteria that are Gothic, spiritual, moral, and so on. These separations are artificial. Wise and well-meaning people will desire to be useful to others, and their students in particular, and will reflect their truth, authentically and sincerely, as Rogers demands, as the Torah demands. Education is not done by recitations but by imitation. The counterfeit is immediately apparent. A child does not imitate what his father/teacher says, but what the father or teacher does. He who counterfeits will create a choir of counterfeiters, he who speaks the truth, even when it is inconvenient - there is a good chance that under the scepter of his teaching and education, truth-tellers will emerge.
    (And a new song was said before him, Hallelujah)

    1. In B”d A’ B’hashvan P”b

      L”d – Shalom Rav,

      Rogers’s point is not only the warmth and love of the teacher for the student, but also the teacher’s preparedness to receive advice even from his younger student. The sages defined this concept by saying: ‘I have learned much Torah from my rabbis. More from them – than from my friends. And from my students – more than from all of them’.

      The teacher may have much more knowledge and experience than his students, but there are always sources and reasons where the students reveal to the rabbi new perspectives that had not occurred to him, so that there is intergenerational mutual fertilization here. And when the teacher is open to hearing – ‘Like water to the face’, the students also open up to listen to the teacher's innovations.

      In this connection, the ’teacher’ not only teaches the student, but also acts as a ‘mentor’, who helps his student develop and realize the talents and knowledge inherent in him. There is no ‘teaching’ from above here, but rather a ‘community’ between two learners, a community in which each one both gives and also receives.

      With greetings, Hanoch Hanach Feinschmecker-Palti

      And on a clear path: the educator does not change diapers for his students, but rather exchanges opinions with them 🙂

      1. תגובתי דלעיל מתייחסת לתגובתו של י"ד שבהמשך says:

        To Life – Hello,

        My response refers to the words of ‘Y”D’ below.

        Best regards, Haf”sh Palti

      2. And it is not without reason that we also call someone who is the ‘greatest of generations’ a ‘scholar’, for he not only teaches others, but is himself always open to renewal and to adding knowledge, both from those greater than him and those less than him.

        And so it must be said that when it is said of a young man who is being educated ‘even when he grows old he will not depart from it’ – then even in his old age he will not depart from being ‘a constant learner’, who does not freeze in place, but makes every day ‘a new beginning, seeing himself as someone who always needs improvement in his path.

        When the educator sees himself even in his old age as a ’student’ and ’a constant learner– Then his words and ways are engraved and accepted in the hearts of his disciples, for ‘words of truth are evident’.

        With greetings, Hasdai Bezalel Duvdevani Kirshen-Kwas

    2. A. I also read it in my youth and was less impressed.
      B. I really wasn't talking about the educator being a swindler, a fool, and a manipulator. I was talking about the educational component within this act, as opposed to the educational component. The educational component is everything beyond learning. That is, what helps to assimilate and internalize things and not to the actual learning of them. This can be done by an authentic, original, and wonderful educator, and still say everything I said about him. And in general, I wasn't talking about the educator as a person, but about the educational act and the role of the educator.
      C. As above.

      1. A. At the time I was probably enthusiastic about the excess of democracy he offered in school, less so today, but the light he shed on the figure of the good teacher – shines for me to this day.
        B. I don't recognize an ’educational component’ separate from the academic component. What is there beyond the academic? Moral conversations? There is an academic aspect to them too. What helps with assimilation and internalization if not the honesty and wisdom of the teacher himself? Pyrotechnic stunts?
        C. As above? In section ’ you said the opposite!

        1. B. Do you identify an educator with a teacher? In my opinion, this is a conceptual error. Even if you are right that every educator is a teacher, it is still not the same. Do you really think that education, in or out of the classroom, is done only by learning. A teacher's personality is an educational component that I was talking about. Using personality in addition to the material being learned (including value material) in my opinion is education, not learning.
          C. I didn't understand what was unclear in my ”same”. I wrote that I distinguish between the educational and learning components and do not make claims about educators as human beings. As human beings they can be wonderful, original, impressive personalities, etc., but their educational work is defined as I defined it, and is distinct (even if not on the timeline) from educational work. Even if they are intertwined (which is not always the case), two different things are still being done here.
          Now I think this brings us back to the endless debates between us over the question of what is "learning", in the second book in the trilogy.

          1. Indeed, a separate definition of the two roles sounds like something late and wrong. In my opinion, there is no difference. As I wrote.
            I assume that this is really related to the old discussion of what learning is. The separations between areas of knowledge. Between matters of law. Deed. Spirit and morality. Yes, it seems completely related. ?

  13. You wrote: “Warm attitude, warmth and love for students, etc., but all of these are intended to influence the student not through his cognition, and therefore, from my point of view, even though these are essential components of the educational process, these are poor actions (Borsky).”
    In my opinion, non-cognitive approaches have the following problem: What do you care? If the student remains influenced by these approaches and does not reach the cognitive place, then he is not mature. And if he is mature and reaches the cognitive place, then these approaches will feel like manipulation to him. I do not deny that it takes some talent and patience to get along with young people (I, for example, do not have them). On the other hand, Borsky also needs some talent. These non-cognitive approaches are still jarring.
    By the way, there is a blog on the Internet called: Teacher, Not Educator (https://morelomechanech.wordpress.com/) that seems to share your reservations.

    1. I will answer what I answered to Zhiva. I am talking about the educational component alone. Around it there is real learning and content. But it is the envelope that supports education, not the education itself.

      1. To Ramadaan, a very good friend,

        The wise man has already said, “A golden apple in a silver socket is a word of wisdom on the lips.” The most correct and true words will fall on deaf ears and will not receive any attention from the students, and will remain as “the one who reads without melody and the one who sings without melody.” They are accepted as “bad laws and laws that will not live in them.”

        The warmth of love, openness, listening, and sincerity of the teacher to his students, along with the order and clarity in the presentation of the words, are what bring about listening. Therefore, just as the most nutritious dish will not be eaten if it is not properly seasoned, -So the real message must also be a ‘nice and acceptable’ thing.

        Best regards, Hafs Palti

        1. Warmth and love are not necessarily necessary. Honesty, dedication, and fairness, even when accompanied by a cold personality, are preferable to them.

          1. Honesty, dedication, and fairness are personality traits. It's not learning, it's education. I'm not saying that these three don't exist or aren't important (although I think that's the case for most people), but just that they're not learning, they're education.

  14. In the Matnitah Tana, it is written: “And the learned shall shine as the brightness of the firmament.” This is a judge who judges the truth with his truth and who collects righteousness. “And the righteous of many shall be as the stars forever and ever.” These are the teachers of infants.
    And in the Midrash of Proverbs 16:11, “In the future to come, the Holy One, the Blessed One, will sit upon them in judgment, and will place a scroll of Torah on His lap, and will say: Everyone who has dealt in this will come and receive his reward, as it is said (Isaiah 33:18): “Whoever counts, who weighs, who counts the towers?” “Whoever counts, who teaches infants for the sake of heaven, they will come and receive their reward.” Who weighs – These weigh light and heavy, they will come and pay their wages. Who counts the towers – These are the scholars of law and haggadot, they will come and pay their wages.
    So first of all – We will meet in the Garden of Eden.
    Second thing is known that ” An upside down world I saw superiors below and inferiors above” – Maybe the one who seems inferior to you in this world, up there is actually superior? As stated – You saw a clear world!!
    And third thing – Is external wisdom something greater than 𔄣 The power of patience and virtues” acquired through toil and sweat so that I could be an educator???
    But which? After all, educators are being trampled on and their stature and importance diminished to the point that the children themselves feel that their parents despise their teachers. And why not despise them even more and give complete legitimacy to the feeling of being insulted by being an educator…
    This way we will continue to undermine the education system. What fun…

  15. You are extremely puzzling because the whole difference between a human and an animal is the choice and you write that in a civilized world a human would uphold what he knows
    If so he would not be a human but an animal
    This is simply a huge disgrace for a person like you, delete this immediately
    They have already written to you that in a civilized world there was no place for learning but a human would only have to uphold his knowledge

    What you write about education being a despicable job is complete nonsense and a terrible misunderstanding because a person who deals with low people may be stupid but a person who influences low people is not their friend but influences them

    And the main thing is you forgot a human came here to choose and the one who gives people a choice is the most honorable what is it to call technical skills
    I don't believe what I'm reading I simply have the urge to humiliate you with enormous humiliation but I overcome my instincts

    1. On the contrary, I despise you. There's no need to get over it. It just needs to be based on arguments and not on stupid rants like the one you're talking about.

      1. If you think my words are a stupid rant, please explain where the mistake is.

        1. How can you explain where the mistake is when all you say is one big nonsense. There's no place to start at all. Some of your claims are nonsense in themselves and some don't touch on my words or have already been answered in the column itself. All the shortcomings. The ridiculous rants that accompany them only add their own graceful touch to them.

          Here's the first nonsense: In a reformed world, a person would uphold what he knows by choice. And this is not an animal but perhaps, if anything, then an angel (or the first Adam before sin. Paradise is almost a founding myth of a perfect world).
          Teaching does have some education, but research is the discovery of new information. I wrote all of this in the column itself. But when teaching deals with new information and not the grinding of existing information, it also serves as a tool for research and development of the field, after all, knowledge that is accumulated and not brought to the attention of the public is as if it were not there. All of this has already been written above.
          A person who influences lowly people is a wonderful occupation, just like tanning and changing diapers. I wrote this in a column. I said that it should be highly valued for the sacrifice, and yet the occupation itself is low (not useless, but low. Changing diapers is very useful, and so is growing wheat and cleaning sewers). Precisely because it is low, it deserves more appreciation for the sacrifice in such an occupation.
          Education does not give people a choice. It usually instills in them what to choose. But even when it gives people a choice (a stupid definition! More correctly: directs them to use their choice), it was still a low occupation. By the way, most educators do not do that either. As an educator, you fix the bug in people. It is very important but low.
          You, like many here, confuse the usefulness and value of the occupation with its intrinsic value. There are very important and very useful occupations, but their intrinsic value is still low. That is why I brought up diapers and sewage. And vice versa, precisely because it is a benign occupation and it is not, those who engage in them should be valued more. Like the tanner. The Gemara I cited speaks precisely about this distinction, which you and others here repeatedly fail to understand.
          Isn't this how you speak, O Minai, the embarrassed and despised man, a worm and not a man. M”A

          1. A. You wrote that the first nonsense is that a person who practices what he knows is like an angel and not an animal. You simply didn't get the point. It makes no difference whether you call him an angel or an animal or a computer. He has no virtue on his own, and of course you insist like an idiot on being caught up in the point that he is like an angel and not an animal because he does good. This is called getting caught up in a side point and running away from the main point
            You didn't answer the main point that writing a bug about something that is the entire essence of a person is simply extreme stupidity
            B Tanner is not low but simply stinks and therefore whoever does it is as poor as changing diapers or not low but poor It is possible that because he does something that is considered despicable he will tolerate despicable behavior
            When you talk about education as a despicable job no less

            A It doesn't stink and even respectable B It doesn't make a person stupid but what did you write that bothers if a low part of a person You are simply a fool It's not low It's the person In short, the disadvantages are not there at all
            You simply don't explain what is low in it but call it low without explaining
            What I will tell you is on the contrary discovering new information is very low because it is a human bug, that a person is not born knowing all the wisdom
            I didn't talk about benefit at all and you didn't read my words I divided between influencer and affected in relation to what you imagined His dealings with women to dealings with children I talked about the fact that this is the highest part of a person's choice and in any case dealing with it is considered a very high thing
            Are you getting into the language with me about whether he gives them a choice or directs them to use it and is that the issue?
            You wrote that most of them don't do it and I will answer you too Most learners repeat nonsense It doesn't matter at all We talked about education itself Surely its main purpose is to give a person the skills of choice
            Apart from that, there is also a lot of wisdom in education that does not exist in many professions
            By the way, studying wisdom has a great danger in it that it causes a person to be proud and behave rudely as everyone who visits this site can see

  16. Corrections at the beginning of the column:

    It is important to discuss her (and not him)

    Her boundaries are not

  17. If I understood correctly, there are 2 parts to the article - 1. The virtue of the Torah and that education is not related to learning. 2. Disdain for education, and the priority that comes when a person chooses for themselves, including the preference for individual education and not educating that everyone must be the same.
    Regarding the first part, I will just ask - who really said that the Lithuanian 'view' is correct, that the Torah is important in itself even without benefit? Maybe education is more important than learning?? It is clear that all the praise for Rabbi Chiya who saved the generation and Rabbi Yehoshua ben Gamla can be interpreted as those who engaged in a despicable thing whose outcome is important, but it is already a decision of the individual whether he values educators, like the question of whether being prime minister is an important position.
    Regarding the second part - it is clear that the person's choice is important, but education when it is done in the right way is extremely important. And if the wisest of all men wrote a book of morals and education, it seems that he thought it was a noble thing.

    1. I say. You may of course disagree.
      You are again confusing the importance and results with the nobleness of the occupation itself.

      1. I ask. Why do you think that the Torah is inherently more important than other useful things? Is this what the Rabbi says, from an explanation or source or, God forbid, from education?

  18. A. The whole idea of identifying something as sublime in itself is strange. It is self-evident that there is no sublime in education and wisdom and other refinements if not to lead to people's pleasure in the end or to help them fulfill their desires or fulfill the desires of a place. A Torah learner is important from the perspective of fulfilling a mitzvah and from the perspective of the devotion of the soul of the living, and in this there is no difference whether he learned what is known or innovated on his own. And if he developed the Torah itself, then he also benefited many, that is, he enabled them to understand the Torah better, just like someone who paves a road to the Beit Midrash or removes an important book from the Genizah. The difference is that paving a road is easy (meaning there are many who will do it, supply is large relative to demand) and also boring, and developing wisdom is difficult (meaning there are few who will do it) and also interesting.

    B. And here is a question. Suppose they discovered a physical theory that is correct up to tens of thousands of digits after the period, but we somehow know that in terms of truth it is incorrect. Do you think that in such a situation there is something noble about researching and searching for the correct theory?! A person may feel great pleasure or great curiosity in such an occupation, like a mathematician who believes that there will never be any practical uses for the mathematics he discovers, but it is noble beyond all measure.

    C. Another question. Suppose that a certain world-renowned genius studied all his days, reached clear conclusions according to his nature in the entire Torah, and put everything down in writing in a simple and clear manner. One day he received a blow to the head and forgot all his Talmud. Now he can go back and study everything again for decades (and come to the same conclusions), or he can, within a year, read everything he wrote for himself and restore his previous state. Which is better?

    1. Another thing about A. I got the impression that people tend to judge others by what they themselves are good at. The rich are interested in how much money someone has. Celebrities are interested in how popular they are. Skinny and handsome people tend to judge by thinness and beauty. Musicians judge by the quality of their music. Chefs especially value the talent of sanity. And even smart people judge others by wisdom. And what preceded it? In my opinion, it is very possible that it is not because wisdom is important to some and wealth to others that some went to the trouble of becoming smart and some rich, but because they are particularly successful in a particular field, they have a tendency to see the world in this specular light and that is what interests them to improve in it.
      I once had a friend who, whenever a certain figure was mentioned in conversation, immediately categorized him/her as handsome/hot. Every time I was amazed anew how this cataloging, like a man in his pocket, and the obsession with attaching this judgment. For example, in my parents' house I don't think anyone was ever described as beautiful. Maybe a little, and it was rare. Children were described as cute, but as for boys and adults, and even less so girls and adults, they didn't care at all about their appearance (and that's also strange, of course) if not about neatness or messiness, etc. One day I realized that I also largely categorize the whole world according to stupidity/smartness and how much. Exactly the same way as that friend. And why, probably because I consider myself (pardon the arrogance) a little smarter than average, and I work in a field in which the main success is in proportion to the degree of talent (and diligence), even though I am like a street urchin compared to others who are many times smarter than me, and not just others far away but others who are close to me every day, and therefore this is the Olympic field that I am mainly interested in.
      Similarly, a good friend of mine from the yeshiva period went into business and became rich as a scoundrel and more than him. More than once he told me, look at so-and-so – In the yeshiva, they were the best and I even felt (this is how he said it about himself) that they were superior to me, and what do they have today against me? This one is an employee in a strategic consultancy and that one has a master's degree in physics and is also an employee somewhere and is improving the kettle's chic. Whereas I (this is how he said it about himself) have succeeded more than everyone else combined. And I tell him that he treats money as if it were the most central global competition in which all the people of the world compete and in this you are very leading, a huge force, but what is the big deal? You succeeded in the field of money and he succeeded in the field of knowledge of physics. It's not that your daily lives are that different, and even if life is different, it's not the most interesting thing.

      It has already been learned that relativism regarding morality does not prove that there is no one correct morality, but it should definitely make a person think eight times before deciding that even though he has a major bias, for him the truth merges with the bias and he is like a judge who took a bribe and issued a verdict that is true to its truth.

    2. A. An old debate. I won't repeat it again. I don't understand why the principle of helping people is acceptable to you. Why is that true? Beyond that, you're talking about keeping the commandments. Does that help people? Why does the adherence to Nefa”ch help people?
      B. Most sublime. The pursuit of pure and unadulterated wisdom.
      C. On the surface, it seems to me that the second one. It saves time. I didn't understand why it's relevant to the discussion.
      As for my biases, I'm being petty. Maybe.

      1. A. Pleasures and obedience/connection to God are as valid as any value. And how did it occur to me that there are no values in the world? But here there is already an entire industrial zone. One day the value of life. Monday the value of property. Tuesday the value of wisdom. Wednesday the value of autonomy. It's a good thing I don't have two stomachs because only one hurts like this. Although I remember that in the past I held on to all these values with great devotion, today I stare at them in amazement.
        C. I wanted to know whether the issue is knowing wisdom or engaging in wisdom.

        1. A. I don't understand. Are you complaining (or staring) at the multitude of values? If you accept in principle the existence of values, then what is your complaint about? That another person has intuitions different from yours? You adopt the intuition that helping others is a value, and then you think that engaging in wisdom is a value. Why does the island hate the island? I stare in amazement at your claims and don't understand.
          B. The purpose of engagement is to accumulate wisdom. Not just to knead so that it doesn't slip.

          1. A. What? In my opinion, you are generating incorrect values, and that is what I complained about. What is strange about this complaint and how is it less shocking than the claim (which I really disagree with, thanks to two carts) that there are no values at all. By the way, adding an incorrect value is of course serious because it undermines correct values, Shalit. A.

      2. B. Regarding the pursuit of wisdom, even if I were to accept as a value (as distinct from human desire) the pursuit of wisdom, wisdom is knowing how the world (or mathematics) works, not how theoretical entities that lack predictive significance actually move. At least that's how it is at the moment.

  19. Until I read this post I was sure that the rabbi is a good example of a good educator. For example this morning's faith lesson No. 14. The explanation of the projection, of the snake within us.
    Educates in the way the rabbi responds in his lessons to comments and questions from the audience, some of them relevant, some of them stupid and annoying. A personal example of asking questions as relevant and also asking questions that are not relevant, answering correctly.

    1. 🙂
      I wrote that everyone does everything, the question is about dosages and mainly the goal. My goal is not educational. I try to behave properly, but not to educate, but because that's how you have to behave. In classes for adults, I don't think I can be seen as an educator at all. I'm not the best person to educate anyone. I try to teach, in those areas where I have added value.

      1. But that itself is education. Modeling proper behavior and providing knowledge. That and nothing more.
        (The purpose of education studies is to teach teaching methods, as well as understanding the student's soul, so as not to harm and to benefit).

        1. I will repeat in a hoarse voice that it is not. Education is an activity whose goal is to achieve the personal improvement of the student. Not every thing that leads to improvement is education, at least in my definition here. If I research a certain topic and it causes the people around me to improve their attitude towards wisdom, that is an educational result, but that is not the goal of my activity. Therefore, I am not an educator.

          1. Please accept my apologies for your raspy throat. I simply could not help myself. I believe in two things: an activity is not necessarily defined by its purpose. And loving wisdom and truth is an activity that would actually be defined as education (=training for a person's role in the world). Shabbat Shalom and Google Mogul, we will rest in peace.

            1. I can only refer you to Tirgitz's statement. Do you think that murder is being an educator? After all, when I murdered someone, there would certainly be many who would be shocked and refrain from violence, and that's how I educated them. In your opinion, every murderer is an educator. Well, now you can surely understand why I object to this classification of myself.

        2. Hayutha, it should also be said that sometimes even a model of inappropriate behavior leads to a good educational result because that's how a person sees, judges, and feels the problematic. Regarding opinions, something like this once happened to me, where I held a certain opinion and when I read someone who presented it very sharply, I suddenly looked at it from the outside and it seemed completely wrong to me, and then I changed my mind.

            1. What you wrote about Yehoshua ben Gamla, you have earned the right to point to great knowledge. I once saw such a distinction in one of the books and I don't remember where it seems to be brought up in the book Mishmar Halevi (in some letter he writes to someone who wants to be caught in a trap) that for everything the Sages gave it its proper place, we should give it the right dose, no less, but also no more. And then he brings as an example Yehoshua ben Gamla, whose honor is placed in its place, but they did not give him anything beyond that. He is still not on the list of morals of the Torah from generation to generation, something like that.

              1. Yael Yehoshua ben Gamla said: ‘If it were not for him, – Torah would have been forgotten from Israel’, then ‘If there are no goats, there are no he-goats’.

                With blessings, may you be blessed”

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