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On the Controversy over Rabbi Melamed (Column 410)

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Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

In recent weeks there’s been a minor storm in the frum crowd over Rabbi Eliezer Melamed. Rabbi Matanya Ariel published a column in which he criticizes Rabbi Melamed for changing his fundamental positions on public issues, and mainly for “sliding” toward liberal directions, heaven forfend. A few days later he published another column explaining his motives for publishing and adding more personal fuel to the fire. The matter also reached the site here, where I was asked my opinion about Rabbi Melamed and his positions. As I wrote there, for many years now I have found myself highly esteeming Rabbi Melamed, even though a significant portion of his positions (especially in the past) run counter to my own. Long before his recent “decline,” I saw in him a courageous person who forms positions on various issues honestly and independently (the indication being that it’s hard to predict in advance what he will say). I’ll add that I don’t know him personally nor his conduct in different areas (unlike Rabbi Matanya, whom we came to know when my son studied at his yeshiva); I rely on what he writes. Therefore my remarks deal mainly with his thought, not with him personally (the critiques addressed both planes).

What is this about?

Rabbi Matanya’s words revolve around several rulings and steps that Rabbi Melamed has taken in recent years. I haven’t gone through all the material and won’t survey it here since that’s not my purpose (one can see a report here). I’ll just briefly note that he published liberal opinions (most are not halachic rulings) on various public matters such as women’s prayer and Reform worshipers at the Western Wall, the status of women, the attitude toward LGBTQ people, ending boycotts of Reform and Conservative Jews, meetings and cooperation with them, budgetary equality, and more. Rabbi Melamed has not retreated from his positions even in the face of criticism, and he continues to meet with other religious groups, to the displeasure of conservative critics and the delight of liberals.

These publications are received in the Hardal (nationalist-Haredi) world with heightened shock in light of his conservative past. Beyond being the son of Rabbi Zalman Melamed (head of the Beit El Yeshiva and founder of Arutz 7, which is headed by his wife, Rabbi Eliezer Melamed’s mother), in his youth he was among the founders of the separate youth movement “Ariel.” He consistently and forcefully advocated refusal to obey orders and opposition to hearing women’s singing in the army, without fearing sanctions (as you may recall, Ehud Barak, as defense minister, closed his yeshiva because of these positions). Add to that his series of halachic books, Peninei Halakha, which spread widely among the public and turned him (in my estimation) into the most prominent and influential religious-Zionist halachic decisor today.[1] One can gather that he is certainly perceived among the Hardalim as “one of us,” and it’s no wonder their public can’t quite digest what has been happening to him in recent years. One focus of criticism, beyond the criticism of the positions themselves, is the dynamism and extreme changes that have occurred in them.

Intellectual independence

It seems to me they are missing something that could have been seen long ago. His autonomous halachic decision-making and intellectual independence have been evident for quite some time, not always in the liberal or “lenient” direction (an unfortunate expression, since this isn’t about leniency and stringency). Therefore, although his directions differ from mine, in this sense I find much kinship with him. He has written more than once that a rabbi should express his positions as they are, whatever they may be, and not be afraid of mockers and opponents, even if they are important rabbis. Shlomo Piotrkowski aptly wrote in his recent response a few days ago that in his critique Rabbi Matanya Ariel didn’t bring even one example of Rabbi Melamed changing a position. He pointed to conservative rulings and approaches in the past, and to more open and liberal rulings and approaches in the present, but not necessarily on the same topics. Apparently he cannot digest what intellectual independence means. I will now try to clear some of the fog, as a public service.

I have written more than once that labels such as conservative, innovative, lenient, stringent, open or closed, deep or shallow, are the sole concern of the scholar. The rabbi and decisor himself should not rule or express a view because he decided he must be lenient or stringent, conservative or innovative. A decisor endowed with intellectual independence should not make sure to align his rulings and opinions with a particular ideological direction (even one he himself believes in), but should decide each matter according to how it appears to him. Sometimes that may come out conservative and sometimes open and liberal—everything depends on the case. Afterwards, scholars of his thought can come and discuss or determine whether he was conservative or liberal, if at all.

It is very important to remove intellectual independence from that list of features. Unlike conservatism, innovation, leniency, or stringency, independence is a trait that should guide the decisor himself (and not just the scholars of his thought). Without it, he is not a decisor but a repository of halachic information. Maintaining intellectual independence and integrity is a consideration within the very process of ruling, unlike innovation, conservatism, leniency, or stringency.

Implications for expressions of support and criticism

For this reason I’m also not very enthusiastic or impressed by expressions of support Rabbi Melamed receives from liberal or secular quarters (and likewise regarding similar expressions of sympathy that I myself sometimes receive from such quarters). Such support is worthless and doesn’t say much, since it comes from liking the bottom line. They are pleased with his liberal ruling or opinion because it suits them. A statement like “So-and-so is a ‘courageous’ decisor” almost always means he rules in the direction I (the liberal) like. I haven’t seen expressions of admiration from those quarters for his courage in expressing a stringent or conservative stance (such as refusal of orders, women’s singing, or founding the “Ariel” youth movement).

My appreciation and support for Rabbi Melamed do not stem from there. I disagree with him on quite a few issues on their merits. It’s true that in recent years he has been moving closer to the path of truth (in my view because he is a man of truth and a straight decisor), but I express support for him because of his intellectual independence, irrespective of the bottom line. Even when his independence leads him to positions and rulings that are squarely opposed to my directions, I will value him for that independence (if indeed the ruling in question expresses independence) and oppose his ruling or opinion. This is support that is not conditional on anything, for it concerns his mode of operation as a decisor and not the bottom lines he issues.

It seems that Rabbi Matanya, for some reason, recommends that a rabbi or decisor decide in advance what the agenda and the “party” affiliation require him to say, and only then rule or opine. In this sense, his critique is very similar to the expressions of support from Reform and liberal organizations, even though ostensibly they are on opposite sides of the barricade. What both sides share is that they support or criticize the bottom line, according to whether it aligns or does not align with their path and worldview.

I too have been accused more than once in the past of being Reform, conservative, Zionist, Haredi, heretical, liberal, benighted, feminist, chauvinist, and the like. I’ve often been asked whether I am conservative or innovative, and which ideological stream I belong to. I try to explain to such a questioner that affiliation with any stream or outlook should, if at all, be determined only retroactively. It should not be a consideration on which the decisor himself relies when forming and expressing a position on any issue. When my future scholars (the “Kurzweils”) come along, part of their job will be to characterize me and my rulings.

To avoid misunderstandings: it’s clear to me that a decisor’s worldview plays a role in his rulings. My claim is that it should not be conscious, and should not change his positions and rulings in cases where it seems to him that he should express a different position than expected. A Zionist decisor will certainly rule in accordance with his worldview, and so will a Haredi decisor, a Hasid or a Mitnaged—and that’s perfectly fine. That is their stance. But when he does not allow himself to say what he thinks because it is not Zionist or not Haredi, then we have a problem. When such outlooks are conscious for him, he is liable to take them into account in the ruling process, and then this problematic tendency is likely to appear.

I recall an anecdote from the time I was a member of the management council of “Noam” High School (first in Pardes Hanna, later in Kfar Saba). There was a period, after the retirement of Rabbi Yagel of blessed memory, when the head of the yeshiva changed almost every year. The council convened each time to choose a head, and after he resigned or was dismissed we convened again to choose a new one, and so on. At some point there was an intense effort by some council members and various surrounding parties (including parents) to select a religious-Zionist rabbi. They felt that the lack of a clear “color” was what was harming the school. As part of this, they approached me as well to try to persuade me to join the campaign. I told them I saw the situation exactly the opposite. Institutions with a clear ideological color already exist—and unfortunately they are as numerous as the sand on the seashore. What characterizes Noam is precisely that it doesn’t make a big deal of political ideology, and that it employs teachers and rabbis of all shades, who even argue among themselves before the students (with the administration’s encouragement, of course). In my eyes this is a welcome and unique situation, and I told them I would very much like to preserve it. I added that in my view this is the main justification for the school’s existence in today’s educational landscape. Ironically, the parents, who were not permitted to participate in the selection process or be members of the council, asked that time to present their position before the council members. When two parent representatives entered to speak, one of them—a woman who didn’t look very “frum”—expressed the parents’ firm position in favor of choosing the… Haredi candidate. It was a wonderful sight in my eyes, and a great reinforcement of the position I supported.

Forming a position according to what is expected from one’s ideological camp is a serious malaise common in our circles. Still, it is strange to me that precisely someone who does not act that way finds himself under harsh criticism. Instead of directing criticism at those who form a position based on what is expected of them and on what their ideology dictates—that is, at those whose every word is predictable and known in advance (so there’s no need for them to open their mouths at all)—it is precisely the one who displays intellectual independence who is showered with criticism for it. Essentially he is criticized for daring to be a decisor rather than a repository of halachic and ideological information (a hollow conduit who “draws and pours from the Torah of his teachers”), as expected of him by the “authorities.” I am astonished!

So much for a general introduction. I will now turn to several more specific points in Rabbi Matanya’s critiques.

On changes in a rabbi’s positions

Rabbi Matanya opens his first column by saying that recently changes have occurred in Rabbi Melamed’s positions, and then writes the following:

Among rabbis of the liberal and “lite” public, these developments arouse joy, expressions of satisfaction and sometimes even excitement. In contrast, to my taste these developments should arouse shock and a sense of contempt for one who has abandoned his values. My sense is that these are the feelings of many rabbis in the national-religious public. Despite these polarized reactions, I feel there is broad agreement: Rabbi Eliezer Melamed underwent, or is undergoing, a very significant, radical, and far-reaching change—a phenomenon that has almost no precedent in the rabbinate.

This neatly describes the consensus I outlined above, whereby both sides relate to Rabbi Melamed’s positions in a non-substantive way. Indeed, as I explained, there is broad agreement on this on both sides of the divide—but in my eyes this is a matter for reproach, not praise.

He then turns to the point of change in positions. He explains that it is legitimate for a rabbi to change his positions due to age and changing circumstances, but here the changes are, in his view, too extreme. He asks:

I suggest the reader not be misled by contorted explanations that will try to square the circle and explain why there has been no change in his views. From conversations with several of his students and residents of Har Bracha it also emerges that this is indeed “not the Rabbi Melamed we knew.” And therefore the obvious question arises—what happened to Rabbi Melamed? Where is the mistake? In what he thought in the past, or in what he thinks today?

One can of course raise this wonder about any small change in views. I don’t see why the quantitative matter (a big change) is relevant to this odd argument. There are two possibilities: either now Rabbi Melamed thinks he erred in the past, or the circumstances have changed and therefore today he believes one should act differently even without changing fundamental positions. I see no problem with either situation. Even if he erred in the past—does that not happen to every sage, including the Sages? Did sages not retract their opinions? Is intellectual honesty and a willingness to acknowledge error a stain on a sage or decisor? Very odd.

Another argument could be raised here, namely that if the same person changes positions then perhaps we shouldn’t rely on him. And indeed Rabbi Matanya writes further on:

And if for so many years Rabbi Melamed was in darkness, why should we rely on him now? And perhaps in a few years he will discover a new light, or return to the former darkness? So maybe we should simply wait until he decides definitively, and only then listen to his opinion? For while a person is entitled to undergo far-reaching processes between himself and himself, there is no justification for such processes to affect the general public.

Rabbi Melamed does not necessarily think that in the past he was “in darkness.” As I explained, either he erred in the past or the situation then was different. Either way, this isn’t about darkness and light but about a completely legitimate change of position, and here Rabbi Matanya is putting words in his mouth.

However, the question of how one can rely on someone whose position is not yet formed is indeed a good and stronger question. Ostensibly it would be preferable to wait until his position crystallizes and then rely on him and accept his directives. I too have written more than once (see for example here) that an indicator that a person has reached the level of issuing rulings is when he finds that his positions are formed (when he returns to the same sugya after a span of years and in most cases reaches the same conclusions). This, however, has no necessary connection to agreeing with the majority of decisors, contrary to what Rabbi Matanya writes at the start of that paragraph (in a sentence I will discuss in the next section). Even so, I must make several important remarks about this claim.

First, I explained that it’s not certain Rabbi Melamed changed his positions. It’s possible the rulings/positions changed because the factual and social reality changed.

Second, as I wrote in the introduction, Rabbi Matanya did not demonstrate any change of position by Rabbi Melamed. He showed that in the past he had Hardali rulings and positions in certain issues, and now he expresses more liberal positions on other issues. Perhaps he always thought one should act differently toward Reform Jews or LGBTQ people? How does that contradict his past positions in favor of a separate youth movement or the prohibition of listening to women’s singing in the army? Again it seems that in Rabbi Matanya’s view the general agenda should dictate the particular rulings—but that is not so.

Third, even if Rabbi Melamed’s positions in certain issues have changed, what is the threshold beyond which it is no longer fitting to rely on him? After all, Rabbi Matanya himself writes that any decisor may occasionally change positions. And who decided that these are the important issues (so that the scope and intensity of his change are high)? Are issues in the laws of Shabbat not more important?! (Shabbat prohibitions carry the penalty of stoning, and one who is an apostate with respect to Shabbat is like an apostate to the entire Torah.) Hardali rabbis tend to see political issues—especially those that are contentious—as the core of the Torah. In my eyes these are questions whose importance is usually marginal. They have social significance, but much less in the halachic-Torah plane.

Fourth, why does anyone need to rely on Rabbi Melamed and his positions? He expresses positions as he understands them and provides reasons. Whoever wishes and is persuaded—accepts them; whoever doesn’t—doesn’t. No one needs to rely on what any given decisor says. If anything, I would join Rabbi Matanya’s call not to rely on any rabbi (and certainly not on a rabbi who does not change positions). I permit myself to suspect that he won’t quite join that call.

Fifth, his words here assume that the decisor is the ultimate path to the one and only halachic truth, and only for that reason do people rely on him. But a different attitude is possible: a person may want a shoulder to lean on—i.e., he wants to ensure that a certain stance is legitimate (not outright nonsense), even if it isn’t the pure halachic truth. For that he may suffice with the fact that Rabbi Melamed expresses that stance, even if later he recants. Perhaps it was not the truth, but it is worthwhile to rely on Rabbi Melamed in pressing times (when a person does not know how to act). I say this as an avowed halachic monist (one who believes there is a single halachic truth).

The significance of a majority

At the beginning of the paragraph I just quoted, Rabbi Matanya raises a claim from the angle of the majority:

What happened that suddenly Rabbi Eliezer discovered the light? And what caused the other rabbis not to discover the light and remain in darkness?

The demagoguery in this argument is blatant. Is a person forbidden to hold different positions, including minority positions? Would a Tanna, an Amora, or any decisor throughout the generations, simply abandon his opinion whenever he was in the minority?

Rabbi Soloveitchik, in his Five Addresses, in his essay on the “Joseph of 1906 (5666),” deals precisely with this question: how he, who was vice-president of Agudath Israel in America, crossed the lines and stood at the head of Mizrachi. Isn’t this a central issue (the attitude toward Zionism)? Surely more central than the order of prayer at the Western Wall or meetings with Reform rabbis, no? Rabbi Soloveitchik changed his stance from one extreme to the other, and even explained cogently that this is what a rabbi and spiritual leader must do if he indeed concludes that the situation has changed or that his positions have changed. He goes against the majority, as Joseph went against the majority of his brothers.

But leave Rabbi Soloveitchik aside (for he too is off-limits to the Hardalim, except where he suits them, like his words about the presumption “tav le-meitav”). Rabbis who supported the Zionist movement were—and still are—a small minority (also in quality, at least in the view of the Hardalim who defer to the Haredim, and rightly so; according to their parameters for greatness in Torah there’s no comparing the magnitudes). How did Rav Kook and his disciples allow themselves to go against nearly all the great sages of the generation? How do today’s Hardalim allow themselves to do so? In Rabbi Matanya’s phrasing: what did they see that all the other great sages of the generation (including the Chafetz Chaim, R. Chaim Ozer, R. Meir Simcha, R. Elchanan Wasserman, R. Chaim of Brisk and his son, the Chazon Ish, as well as Rabbis Elyashiv and Auerbach, Wosner, Nissim Karelitz, and many more)—some of whom were Rav Kook’s own teachers—did not see? And note well: here I’m not speaking about changing positions (as with Rabbi Soloveitchik—that was discussed in the previous section), but about the very claim that a rabbi and decisor should align his positions with the view of the majority of leading sages/rabbis. And perhaps Rabbi Matanya himself is about to abandon his support for Zionism. He should update us before such a dramatic change in his positions; otherwise his students (among them my son) have been relying on him and his directives until now in error.

Who are the great rabbis and leaders of the generation?

Rabbi Matanya also assumes, mainly in his follow-up column, a very specific identity for the “great rabbis” with whom Rabbi Melamed was supposed to consult. Conveniently, these are exactly the Hardalim and their associates (including Rabbi Druckman, who always gets included—and about whom I have said what I have said more than once; see, for example, column 271). This is a typical Hardali case of begging the question: those who do not hold these positions are by definition not great rabbis; therefore anyone who goes against these positions is acting against the view of the great sages of the generation. By virtue of this begged premise, that group of rabbis also appoints itself as leaders of the religious-Zionist public. Moreover, unlike Rabbi Melamed, they crown themselves explicitly with that title—or at least allow the media to repeat that nonsense again and again.

Rabbi Matanya protests that Rabbi Melamed is appointing himself as a leader of the generation and issuing directives in public matters. But as far as I have seen, he did not appoint himself to this, nor is he issuing directives; rather, he is expressing opinions. He did not tell anyone to accept his view. Is a rabbi, however small, forbidden to express an opinion on public matters? I see no reason for that. On the contrary, Rabbi Matanya’s concern stems from the great weight given to Rabbi Melamed’s opinions—even though here that weight does not derive from his appointing himself a leader, but from the fact that the public sees him as a spiritual leader and one of the great figures of the generation, rightly or wrongly. That is, unlike those who have appointed themselves leaders for no good reason, he is actually considered by many to be such—and by a broad, varied, and large public (larger, in my opinion, than the public that stands behind those whom Rabbi Matanya speaks about—but that’s only my impression). But as noted, this entire discussion is ridiculous in my view; I conduct it only according to Rabbi Matanya’s approach.

As for consulting others—here I really don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The very rabbis Rabbi Matanya speaks of do not listen to or consult others; they speak and publish positions and opinions in the name of the entire public and in the name of the Torah, without makeup or hesitation, as if they have a daily meeting with the Almighty—with the backing of the entire religious-Zionist public. To direct such criticism specifically at Rabbi Melamed isn’t even funny.

At the end of his follow-up column Rabbi Matanya reassures readers by claiming that he is not among the “Kav” rabbis. But that really doesn’t matter for two main reasons: first, one should discuss matters on their merits; who the speaker is does not matter. Second, if he already bothers to say this, it should be noted that this is throwing sand in the eyes. The questions discussed here are in no way connected to “the line” (Ha-Kav) but to the Hardal camp. As is known, the Kav is only part of the Hardal (its messianic part). The discussion here does not deal with whether the State of Israel is the realization of redemption and the footsteps of the Messiah, or with the appropriate attitude toward the prime minister, the flag, and the president (the question of mamlakhtiyut, with the accent on the first syllable), but with questions concerning the attitude toward different groups in the population. If so, the relevant classification here is precisely affiliation with the Hardal camp and not with the Kav.

A bit about the form

In his follow-up column, Rabbi Matanya opens with describing his deliberation over whether to take his critique public. He ostensibly uses very polite and respectful terminology and leans on great rabbis with whom he consulted (in many cases Hardalim behave like Geviha ben Pesisa—sending the critique by the hands of students. “It didn’t pass the rabbi’s review,” sound familiar?). But immediately afterward he moves to harsh personal slurs about Rabbi Melamed’s character and personal conduct: arrogance, insensitivity, bossiness, unwillingness to hear other views, unwillingness to receive people for a meeting,[2] including those greater than he, and more.

As noted, I have no acquaintance with Rabbi Melamed and therefore no ability to contend with these claims. Perhaps they are true and perhaps not, but in my view they are irrelevant. It’s important to stress that, here too as in many other cases, people are stricter about manners and style than about content. In my eyes that is an inverted priority scale. I often mock people and positions, but I try to ensure that this is only a matter of style, while the content should contain substantive arguments. Those who protest my style have often received that explanation from me. I have no problem with people laughing at me, speaking ironically, and mocking—so long as that is only the manner of expression of substantive argumentation (and not personal and irrelevant). Personal arguments under a veneer of politeness are hypocrisy and sanctimony in my eyes. Incidentally, I also see no problem in airing matters publicly, including harsh criticism, and even without first directing it to the subject of the critique (unless factual clarification is needed). Therefore, in my opinion there is no need to apologize for that. But if already Rabbi Matanya thinks one must be careful about it, it seems to me he did so in a highly problematic way.

Finally, for some reason the personal critiques of Rabbi Melamed and of the conduct of Arutz 7 (which is managed by his mother) are emerging precisely at the timing when his positions do not suit Rabbi Matanya’s taste. In all the years before, it seems that Rabbi Matanya and his like-minded colleagues got along quite well with Rabbi Melamed’s conduct and even with Arutz 7’s policy. It is possible that the change in his character and in Arutz 7’s conduct occurred simultaneously with the change in his positions, but I find that hard to believe. In any case, to me this looks like a tendentious personal attack.

[1] In my eyes this series is truly a masterpiece. It combines presentation of the conceptual background with primary sources and also practical, up-to-date guidance for our times. The books contain determinations based on his own reasoning on the various topics (and not merely summaries, as is common in such books), grounded in an understanding of contemporary reality and the correct application of halachic principles to it. Although the series addresses the general public (and even students and children), it presents an excellent and comprehensive picture of the subjects at a very good level, and it covers almost all relevant areas of halacha. It is a mighty undertaking, and indeed it also contains an element of innovation.

[2] I saw someone point to a column by Rabbi Amichai Eliyahu as evidence that these are not Rabbi Melamed’s traits. It describes how just now (following the criticism) he readily received for a conversation a group of rabbis who oppose his positions. I’m not convinced, because this happened after Rabbi Matanya’s critique, and it may be part of public relations rather than a real change in conduct.

But to the point: it’s entirely possible that Rabbi Melamed is a busy man and cannot receive for a meeting everyone who wishes to come. It’s also possible he thought the conversation would not be useful because these are un-listening people who sharply oppose his positions and would not be willing to listen. I don’t know—and I’m not sure Rabbi Matanya knows—whether this is his general policy regarding meetings with people. In any case, a person chooses whom to meet, how much, and when. It’s hard for me to see what could provide a sufficient factual basis for such decisive criticism of Rabbi Melamed’s character.

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  1. I too have had a low opinion of Rabbi Melamed for many years, and some of his articles are truly a school of halakhic jurisprudence in my eyes (to be sure – my opinion remains the same). Still, there is something to the criticism, even if some critics did not put their finger on the right point.

    As you wrote, the assessment of whether a posk is conservative or liberal is made from the outside. But after it has been made, there is definitely a downside. Some people listened to Rabbi Melamed assuming that he shared the same world of values with them. The assumption was that in each of his rulings, this world of values is a basic premise. Their feeling is that recently a critical mass of rulings has accumulated, which cannot be explained by substantive rulings based on that world of values, but only on the basis of a significant change in it. Something like rejecting a hypothesis in statistics: there are such extreme observations here that one should probably reject H0. And if such a change has occurred, it is certainly possible that the path of the student and the rabbi has parted ways.

    Personally, I am not at all sure that there is such a critical mass of rulings. But time will tell.

    1. No problem. So they won't listen to him. But is there a place for a call not to listen to him because of that? In my opinion, absolutely not.

  2. This is a response I published to Rabbi Matanya's second article that was published on Channel 20:

    https://www.20il.co.il/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%A8-%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%93-%D7%90%D7%97%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%94-%D7%97%D7%96%D7%95%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%9A-%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94/

    This article is a bluff.
    First of all, there is no such thing as a ruling on matters of the whole of Israel and a leader of the generation. This is a Haredi mentality that the Haredim try to imitate, but it is a fake one. There is no such thing today as “leadership of the generation”. These rabbis are leaders of those who follow them and nothing more. Just as the great men of the Haredi public are their leaders and nothing more. They are not the great men of the generation (in the sense of leaders of the people of Israel). Rabbi Melamed writes his opinion on various matters and whoever wants to listen to him will listen and whoever doesn't, won't, and the voter will choose. All these issues of Reform and kashrut are not clear halakhic issues (ruling on matters of the whole of Israel) and therefore all the laws that the author cites here from the Shul are irrelevant. There is no Sanhedrin today and I have no power to create such an artificial one.

    Likewise, the author's concepts of greatness do not oblige anyone. With all due respect, the fact that someone sits on the Chief Rabbinate Council says nothing about him. Rabbi Metzger was also a chief rabbi and certainly Rabbi Melamed did not have to refer to him at all. The attempt to impose Haredi standards and Haredi mentality on those who are not is ridiculous and self-righteous. Therefore, it is also understandable why Rabbi Melamed did not consult with anyone. There is simply no point in consulting with someone you know in advance what they will say. The issue of privatization of kashrut is a complicated issue, but it does not belong to halachic rulings because it is a matter of halachic policy. There has been no state kashrut in all periods since time immemorial. Likewise, the issue of the attitude towards Reformers. The boycotts of the greats of the generations do not halachically harm anyone. It was not a real and halachic boycott and excommunication. Rabbi Melamed, like Rabbi Stav, are simply people in places where there is no one. Torah greatness does not play a decisive role here from the moment a person has broad enough shoulders (has reached halachic independence). Here, recognition of reality is also important. And what can be done? The Haredi mentality (which also characterizes most Haredi rabbis) is disconnected from Israeli reality.

  3. It is possible to mention the ideological opponent's article without describing his response as "mercifully." This sneer is clichéd and unfair. What would happen if you mercifully gave it up?

  4. Side question
    It is not clear to me what consolidated and stable positions contribute. What do they contribute as an indication to the person himself and why are they relevant to others. As an indication to a person – does stability mean that his true self actually thinks this way? How is a stable opinion over time better than a stable opinion for a moment? And towards others – who said that his true self is more successful in Torah than his previous, still imperfect self? The fact that something more reflects the entire set of assumptions of a certain person (and so far has partly reflected the assumptions of an unknown person who influenced him) apparently does not say anything about the quality of that something.
    I may understand from your words a claim that the percentage of errors in stable opinions is lower than the percentage of errors in unstable opinions. How do you get the impression that this claim is true?
    When I am stuck in the same positions for many years, I always wonder to myself whether I have indeed reached the end for myself or whether I have simply become fixed in my thinking. By the way, and this seems similar and related to me, I am very skeptical about a person who has reached a conclusion and has now forgotten the reasons, what is his justification for following that conclusion. Maybe it is the conclusion of his inner self, but it is no longer his conclusion. In the past you answered me that it is a bluff and his opinion in the past is held to be his opinion in the present if he has no reason to think that there has been a change.

    1. I think there is a process of consolidation of a person until he reaches his own positions. Even then he changes positions from time to time, but in principle he is already stable. Of course, stability is not necessarily consolidation. Sometimes it is just laziness, fixation or conservatism. There is no sharp rule about it.

      1. This concept of "his own positions" is a bit undefined. Even before the consolidation and stabilization, he had positions that he was convinced of at that moment. The positions that followed the consolidation are more consistent with what? With his most solid core of fundamental assumptions? Why is this core interesting.

        1. Corresponds to the truth as it is perceived by a personality as his own. Even an ignorant child can have a position, but it is not yet his position.

          1. And is the perception by the personality an indication of truth or is it simply the definition of his true opinion and is it only relevant to the issue of autonomy?

              1. And does this also improve the shot at monistic truth?

              2. The harmonist. There are different descriptions of the phenomenon depending on the judge, but the Halacha is one abstract monistic truth.

              3. Doesn't this contradict what you explained in your articles about the "Aristotelian" and "Platonic" conceptions of law, and your inclination in favor of the latter, in the name of the perception that the posk should not only strive to discover the law in any given situation, and if he did not know what the law was, he would not have to create it?

              4. Simple.
                If halakha is one abstract monistic truth, including everything that emerges from your discussion with Tirgitz, then the point is the conclusion, and the posek is only tasked with striving for the discovery of the already existing truth.
                On the other hand, if we assume that the point is mainly the methodology and less the conclusion derived from it, this would be consistent with your ’non-Aristotelian’ approach to halakha, but less with your words here

              5. I still don't understand anything. What kind of attitude of mine is this? What is the contradiction?

              6. I am referring to your words in the third column about Platonism:
                I have already written and said many times in the past that a similar debate is taking place regarding Torah study. Rabbi Ovadia and his students/sons hold the view that scholarly explanations (=theories) serve the law, meaning that they are at most a means of organizing and optimizing the use of halakhic data in order to rule on halakhic for any given situation. Once we know the appropriate ruling for any given situation, our academic work is over. In their opinion, scholarship has no value in itself, and at most serves the collection of halakhic information. This is scholarly-halakhic instrumentalism. In contrast, yeshiva scholarship assumes (sometimes unconsciously) that the goal of study is scholarly theory and scholarly explanations. The ‘facts’, meaning the rulings of halakhic in specific cases, only serve this goal and do not constitute the goal of the academic activity. This is scholarly realism.
                So much for your language.
                Later there you claim to justify the Yeshivah scholarly method.
                And I asked.
                If the main thing is the method – as you say there, then the conclusions are merely derivatives of it, and it cannot be claimed that ‘halakha is one abstract monistic truth’, as you say here.
                If the main thing is the conclusion, then indeed the halakha is one abstract monistic truth, but the goal of the posek is simply to reveal the already existing truth: ‘When we know the appropriate ruling for each situation, our scholarly work is over’, as you say there.

              7. Link to the column in question (column 385)
                https://mikyab.net/posts/71518

              8. I fail to understand the difficulty (and again, I don't disagree with anything you said. I simply don't understand it. I fail to see any difficulty here).
                I wrote that the main thing in studying Torah is the method and the way of looking at it. This is a statement about what is of primary value in the act of studying, and not about the question of whether the conclusions are correct or not, and whether they are singular or not.
                In what sense does this contradict the assertion that halakha is one abstract monistic truth? (By the way, ‘halahā’ in this sentence too is not just the bottom lines but the entire complex).
                And even if the above statement was about the content and not the value, and even if what I meant by the word ‘halahā’ here in the discussion was the bottom lines, I still don't understand what contradiction there is here. This is not an excuse or a dispute. I simply fail to see what the problem is.
                Maybe you can give a specific example and we can discuss it.

  5. Shalom Rabbi. You wrote . “The rabbi and the posak himself is not supposed to rule or express a position because he decided that he should be lenient or strict, conservative or innovative” So in your opinion, when Rabbi Ovadia said that one should seek the lenient path, and the words of the permissive, was he mistaken or is it different? I would be happy to explain.
    Yosef, Ch”l

    1. You have to see in what context he writes this. Sometimes there is a situation that requires relief (such as the removal of an agunah, or a time of stress). Taking into account the circumstances is a completely legitimate halakhic consideration. This is in contrast to a posk who says to himself: Because I am easing/stricting, I must rule in this way and that.

      1. There can be a general disagreement about whether, in the face of serious doubt, one should feel that all methods are more stringent or choose the opinion that seems most appropriate to the posk. Ostensibly, posks who share such a general disagreement can reasonably describe their disagreement as strictness versus lenience. No?

        1. True, but that's not what I meant. Beyond that, I personally don't accept the approach of relying on jurists or going to the humara. A jurist should decide according to what he sees fit.

  6. Was I the only one bothered by this sentence??
    ”It is true that in recent years he has been approaching the path of truth”
    It is not appropriate for Ketar to phrase it that way…

    1. Out of respect for my teachings, is it not appropriate to think that my path is true? Do you, for example, believe that you are usually not right?

      1. Suitable is also suitable.
        My comment was only about the wording, which reminded me of a sentence like
        ”In recent years he has been privileged to get close to the righteous/our rabbi”

  7. When I'm stuck in my room with two confirmed coronavirus patients at home - what else is left for me but to argue with you? (And how will I get to the impending judgment days without proper preparation, even in the mitzvot of proving and branching out?)

    I will not address Rabbi Matanya's column here, since I also do not accept the claim that Rabbi Melamed should subordinate himself to some council of elders. On the other hand, I also reject your “doctrine of independence” in Halacha. But that and that are not the issue here and I will leave it at that.

    The criticism (mine, but I think others' as well) against Rabbi Melamed stems from a completely different place. Rabbi Melamed, probably from naiveté, but I do not set any limits - we refrain from seeing the Reform movement for what it really is, not a “stream” Judaism is not a religion that has broken away from it, like the Christians did 2000 years ago and a host of different and strange sects since then. As a trained logician, you will surely agree that it is not possible to classify those who believe in God and the giving of the Torah and those who deny it as believers in the same religion. This is enough to establish that Orthodoxy and Reform are two different religions, even if each of them claims to be the faithful and authentic representation of ”Judaism” (incidentally, Christianity also claims this). However, if the rabbi teaches an Orthodox Jew, he should understand that those who deny God and the Torah from heaven cannot be a legitimate interlocutor in matters of Judaism.

    The matter that the Reformers discovered in Jerusalem and the Western Wall is not religious. After all, the Reform arose out of apostasy in the return to Zion, while erasing all mention of Jerusalem and the Temple from the ancient siddurs and devarims. The pseudo-Zionist awakening of the Reformers stems from financial distress in the face of their emptying synagogues due to the assimilation that is eating away at them (which they themselves enthusiastically cultivate), and those seeking records said that the difference between a Reform Jew and Donald Trump is that Trump has Jewish grandchildren. The Reformers hope that Mount Zion will be a refuge for their salarymen and their wives. Oh, and nothing more! Ironically, the ”enlightened” administration of the US” does not finance their synagogues in the same way that Viktor Orban “the anti-Semite” generously finances the neo-religious synagogue in Budapest (which is also empty, literally)…

    In the diaspora, Jews were forced to argue with Christians and converts by royal decree, but what compels Rabbi Melamed to give them legitimacy today? True, some of them (it is difficult to estimate their exact number today) are Jews according to Halacha, but it is clear that they are judged as innocent for all their words, even if they are “captured virgins” etc. It is possible that they need to be brought closer as individuals, but from here to “dialogue” with Reform priests and recognition of them as a ”sect” Judaism” the road is long. (Actually, it is endless).

    Hence, at least my criticism of Rabbi Melamed is not focused on his &#8221independence”, but on his poor understanding of the historical processes of the last 150 years, and the enormous damage that legitimizing the Reform movement as a &#8221sect” Judaism” could cause to Judaism in the Land of Israel. As mentioned, it is probably naive, but its danger and damage are still numerous.

    1. May you be saved for a complete, quick and easy recovery, thanks to the commandment of proving and proving.
      As you wrote, this is a completely different discussion that I did not enter into in the column. But if you brought it up, I mean that I think you are wrong, for several reasons. Here are some of them:
      1. Reform Judaism is a large group of different and diverse people, and it is not right to include them all in Hada Mehta.
      2. The reasons and ideologies that accompanied the establishment of the Reform movement are not necessarily relevant today. Even among the Hasidic community, there were those who saw a rebellious movement against Halacha and the centrality of Torah study. This is not the case today, and therefore even if there is justice in the initial description, it does not matter to us today. The Reform movement as a movement has long since changed its taste in these matters. By the way, the Haredi movement was also founded against Zionism and the return to the Land within its framework. Should it also be boycotted because of this?
      3. Even if all of this is true, it still does not mean that it is not right to meet with them. Today, this is an existing phenomenon (which in Israel is indeed lacking in power and partners), and there is certainly room for the perception that the right way to deal with it is to meet and listen. And this does not depend on whether they are seen as partners in the journey. It is enough that they are on the same field as us, and the question is how it is more appropriate to promote your values.
      4. I know quite a few Reformers and I think that your explanation is very wrong for them. They truly and sincerely think the way they think, and they did not rise up against anyone but for their own opinion. The fact that Orthodoxy is used to seeing itself as the face of everything, and out of megalomania to think that anyone who thinks differently has no opinion and is only interested in destroying it, is its problem. To the same extent, they can describe you as someone who has no position and is only interested in suppressing and excluding them.
      By the way, from what I have written here you will understand that the description of what happened with the establishment of the Reform is also inaccurate. Orthodoxy was used to a monopoly, and therefore anyone who thought differently and tried to organize was seen as a subversive whose only interest was to harm it. But they simply thought differently and refused to accept the oppression exerted against them by Orthodoxy (which in my opinion acted against them more powerfully and vilely than they against it. As well as Zionism and the Haredi). Are they not allowed to act for what they think and against their opponents? Completely legitimate. The biased portrayal of history is a sick evil.

      1. And above all, as someone who believes in the values of democracy, I think that even if they act against me, it is their right and the state should give them equal treatment. I will fight for their right to fight against me.

      2. Thank you, and good health to Mr. and Mrs.

        I will try to answer according to the points in your response:

        1) Catholic Christianity is also a large group (even larger). In my response, I discussed the Reformed religion, not the Reformed as individuals, who can be nicer and more decent than many Orthodox Jews I know. I have wonderful friends, a couple of Italian Catholics, who can be a model of decency, honesty and innocent faith. This does not clear the Church of what it did to my great-grandfather in the Tissa-Esler trial (A.E.). It seems to me that you too would not disagree that there should be a separation between the attitude towards religion and the attitude towards the individuals who believe in it.

        2) The comparison between the Reformed and Hasidic is beyond my comprehension. Hasidism aroused suspicions at the time, but today it is clear that it has not absolved either God, the Torah from heaven, or the other fundamentals of religion accepted by all Orthodox Jews. (I once read that Tzemach Tzedek attributed to the fact that Hasidism has not deteriorated to this, I don't remember the source, but if Tzemach Tzedek really said this, it is an admirable nobility of soul towards someone who ostracized his grandfather and refused to meet with him).
        If the Reform movement has changed its flavor, the change is only for the worse. Today, the Reform movement does not condition ordination to the "rabbinate" with belief in God or any other condition. How can it be considered a movement in Judaism?

        And finally, I am referring here only to the theological aspect of the Reform and completely ignoring the anti-Semitic poison it spreads in the world. (This movement is one of the most poisonous anti-Semitic arrowheads active today). More on that perhaps on another occasion.

        3) They are really not in the same league as us. I mentioned above that this is one of the most poisonous anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli movements in the world today. (As I think only neo-Nazis are more poisonous). There is certainly room for listening and dialogue with misguided brothers, but as individuals and not as a movement. We have no common denominator with the movement.

        4) Again, I separate individuals from a movement, and between innocent individuals and their leaders (and you can find peace from them in the names of the 13th and 14th generations).

        I recognize in your words a lack of understanding of my words and therefore I will repeat them again. The “megalomania” is not a matter here at all. The question is not what the “authentic” representation of the faithful Judaism of our ancestors is. The question is whether a religion that sees faith in God and the giving of the Torah as its foundation and a religion that does not require this faith can be considered two "streams" of the same religion. In my limited understanding - no! This is not "different thought". This is a different religion.

        The tendentious description of history is indeed problematic. But where is there a description that is not tendentious? (Stalin already noted that history is written by the victors). The historical competition "who was the more villainous" is not my concern here, and it is also not clear to me what oppression was exercised against them by the Orthodox. To the best of my knowledge, they had the opinion, the century, and the power from the day they were founded, and they oppressed the Orthodox. Needless to say, they also fought Zionism and because of them Herzl was forced to move the first congress from Munich to Basel. But all of this, as mentioned, is irrelevant. My words were not at all intended as a historical polemic, but rather a theological one. The main point of my words is that Reform is not a "sect in Judaism" but a religion that has separated from it and has been fighting it ever since. Their "sudden" interest in the Western Wall does not express a longing for the building of the Temple and the return of the sacrificial work, but rather a disgusting advertising and marketing gimmick.

        1. 1. I do disagree. I don't think your words are true about the Reformers as a group either. Their internal division only indicates this. And indeed I would say the same about Christians.
          2. I didn't say it was a movement in Judaism. It is a movement of Jews and as such is a faction in Judaism. Just like secularism. After all, I have written more than once that Judaism is a law. This and nothing else. You talked about how Reformism has rejected Zionism and opposes the state. So I noted that the Haredi movement does the same.
          3. Again, I disagree with you. There are indeed some among them, but you ignore the persecution that the State of Israel and Orthodoxy inflict on them. It's no wonder they don't like us. Do you think that American Jewry should also be boycotted because many of them are opponents of Israel? Or Jews who vote for Democrats?

          I answered everything else in 2. My discussion is not about the question of whether Reformism is Judaism. It doesn't concern me.
          Diagnoses about their motives are left to the heart. There's no point in arguing about it. Certainly when it comes to a gross generalization of your words as well. I'm just saying that they have the right to pray at the Western Wall regardless of why they want to. Just like Jews have the right to ascend the Temple Mount regardless of whether they do so as a political protest or out of authentic religious desire.

          1. 1) I was not talking about the Reformers as a group, but about the Reformation as a religion that separated from Judaism. (A theological statement, not an ethnic or sociological one).

            2) And now, you also agree that they are not a sect in Judaism but a "sect of Jews and as such a sect in Judaism". I admit that I do not understand your point. Are "Jews for Jesus" or "Messianic Jews" also a "sect in Judaism"? Is communism (founded mainly by Jews) a "sect in Judaism"? What defines a "sect in Judaism"? The fact that most of its members are ethnic Jews? (This may define a group within the Jewish people from a sociological perspective, but what does that have to do with a “sect in Judaism”? I wonder).

            3) I am not ignoring any persecution, simply because they did not exist and were not created. The State of Israel was founded as the state of the Jewish people and other religions are not granted any rights in it, except for religions that were active in the country before the establishment of the state (this is a commitment of the Zionist movement to Britain). They do not receive budgets from the state (both because they do not deserve it and because they are still, in God’s eyes, a small group), and are not allowed to marry Jewish couples. Is this “persecution”? It seems like a derogatory term. No one prevents them from gathering and conducting their rituals as they wish.

            My comment on their opposition to Zionism and the state was in response to your comments about them being “in the same boat as us.” So no. They are on the field of our enemies and against us. Their pseudo-Zionist ”awakening” is self-serving. Just like the establishment of the Reform kashrut bodies in the US. What about the Reformers and kashrut? Good question and thank you for asking. They discovered the many dollars in the Muslim ”halal” market in the US. (Muslims do not know how to distinguish between true kashrut and Reform kashrut and swallow these lies).

            Diagnoses are given to the heart. True. But you also will not sign a deal with a partner your heart tells you is a fraud and a liar. K”u when it comes to a rebellious and renegade religion that has been fighting against all that is holy and dear to both of us for over 150 years. I repeat: I have no problem sitting down for a serious conversation with Reformers, just as I have done in the past with Christians (of various types and colors) and Muslims. My objection is to giving a foothold to Reform as a legitimate Jewish movement and “sect.” Because they are not!

            A note on the matter of “their right to pray at the Western Wall.” Please, but according to local customs and without provocations!

            I mentioned my Italian Catholic friends above. They are Professor Mario D’Aglio and his wife, Professor Elsa Fornero-D’Aglio (former Minister of Labor and Social Affairs of Italy). A few years ago, I accompanied this special couple to the Western Wall (accompanied by my wife, whom I recruited for the event as an Italian-born woman whose mother tongue is Italian). At the entrance we parted ways, my wife escorting Elsa to the women's prayer room and I escorting Mario to the men's. They asked why the separation was there, and when we replied that it was customary in a Jewish place of prayer, they accepted it with full understanding. Elsa covered her head and Mario wore a kippah. As we approached, Mario asked me if Gentiles were also allowed to pray here, and I instinctively replied by quoting the famous verse from Isaiah: "For my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (Of course, after a moment I regretted it because I remembered who he was praying to, but it was too late.) The point is that these two devout Catholics understood that they were in a Jewish place of prayer, and accepted all that this implied without a peep or protest. This is also what the Reformers are supposed to do if they want to pray at the Western Wall. No different from any other person on earth.
            By the way, if it's more for me to “show off” that I'm also handsome, I'll keep it. When I was required to remove my headscarf at the entrance to the Sistine Chapel in Rome, I gave up on the visit and didn't go in despite my ardent love of art and my dream of seeing Michelangelo's wonderful paintings. (I thought I would go in because I didn't know that the place was still an active church). In Rome, he acted like a Roman…
            On the other hand, when I was required in Lisbon to remove my headscarf at an academic conference because it was being held “at a Catholic university” – I refused and explained to that idiot that it was a university and not a church. I pointed to the picture of the Pope (of supernatural size) that was hanging there on the wall and added “come to me when he removes his headscarf”…

            1. 1-2. I remind you again that the discussion is about whether to meet with them and get to know them (without legitimization), or to boycott them. Therefore, the question of whether they are a sect in Judaism is irrelevant. They are a group of Jews.
              3. Indeed, these are persecutions for all intents and purposes. What would you say about a country that does not allow Jews to marry as they see fit? Or to pray as they see fit (at the Western Wall)? Not all persecution means trying to kill someone. The Greeks did not persecute us either? After all, they only forbade us from circumcision, a month, and a Sabbath.
              Indeed, I will not sign a deal with a person whose heart tells me that he is plotting against me. But in my opinion, that is not the case here. That is why I wrote that diagnoses are given to the heart.
              Well, then I really should not have complained to the residents of Midreshet Sde Boker who did not want to allow religious Jews to live there. That is the custom of the place. If at the Western Wall they expected you to come with a suit and Hasidic or Lithuanian attire, would you accept that because it is the custom of the place? And when you enter a synagogue and they ask you to wear a robe, don't you get angry? That's the custom of the place. I do.
              And of course there is a big difference between a Gentile who comes to a Jewish place of prayer and a Jew who wants to pray differently.

              1. I did not understand the parable from Sde Boker. Citizens of the country have the right to purchase real estate and live anywhere. What does this have to do with religious customs at a sacred site of worship for a particular religion? Your riddles are too deep for me.

                If a certain dress code were indeed a custom accepted at the Western Wall for generations, it is certainly possible that I would respect it and demand that every visitor (Jewish or non-Jewish) respect it. I certainly respect synagogues that required me to wear a suit and hat as a condition for my late father's yahrzeit. In the first place, I would of course prefer to go to another synagogue. But if it is the custom of the place - it must be respected (even if I believe that this custom has no halakhic basis). What is so upsetting about it?

                There is no difference between a Jew and a Gentile. A Jew who wishes to enter a church is required to uncover his head and in a mosque is required to take off his shoes. When I was asked to uncover my head in the Sistine Chapel, as described above, I did not “assert my right” to enjoy the wonderful art displayed there even though I paid a fortune for the entrance ticket to the Vatican Museum. (The chapel is part of the museum, so I initially thought it was no longer an active church). This is the custom of the place, and I did not come to upset believing Christians, so I gave up the visit (and did not demand my money back as is the custom of Israeli authorities, I should have inquired in advance). It's that simple!

                By the way, during my visits to many other countries I have often been invited by colleagues and friends to tours of places of worship (Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.), and I politely declined in order to avoid being likened to them. (By the way, I also declined an invitation to tour the grave of the Lubavitcher Rebbe’ for a similar reason…).

                This is exactly what I expect from anyone visiting Jewish houses of worship. Respect the customs of the place and the feelings of the believers, (like those devout Catholics who came to the Western Wall with me) or give up visiting the place. This is a basic requirement for a cultured person.

                And once again, the point you are running away from is that we are not talking about a “Jew who wants to pray differently”. No one is restricting Jewish prayer patterns at the Western Wall. We are talking about exterminated Jews who have adopted another religion that has separated from Judaism and want to impose a foreign worship on us in our holy place. (For the sake of this matter, it does not matter whether they are exterminated to anger, babies who were taken captive or any other definition). They should be opposed, just as we should oppose a Catholic who wants to hold mass there. Let him go to his church and they to their temple. The Western Wall has been a Jewish place of prayer for centuries.

              2. Hey Mordechai, I enjoyed reading you and of course, get well soon!

    2. Rabbi Melamed answered the questions regarding his attitude towards Reform here:
      https://www.inn.co.il/news/501141
      In my opinion, the answer is beautiful and detailed.

    3. There is a question here about what is in the hearts of the Reformers. If they see themselves as part of the Jewish people and share their fate and believe in their right to their own state and political independence, then they are no different from ordinary secularists and are captive babies, and the question of whether to cooperate with them is the same dispute as between religious Zionism and the ultra-Orthodox in their cooperation with secularists. But if they do not believe in the Jewish people like those progressive Jews in the US who belong to the Democratic Party who fight the State of Israel and embrace identity politics, then they are definitely annihilated and converted and should be boycotted (the main sin in annihilation and conversion was the departure of the Jewish people and the failure to participate in its fate. This is according to Maimonides in the Laws of the Foundations of the Torah. Rabbi Ovadia also relied on this in his permission to raise to the Torah those who publicly desecrate the Sabbath (I think. Or those who did not publicly desecrate the Sabbath. I do not remember))

      It is believed that Rabbi Melamed met with the Reformers of the second type.

      1. Despite all this, what you wrote about them suddenly sympathizing with the State of Israel, Zionism, and the Western Wall because of a budgetary issue is actually very plausible. I am indeed very suspicious of any Reformist. It would have been more likely that they would have followed their progressive brothers in this trend that has swept the US in the last decade. Why did they suddenly remember their Judaism? It seems that this does serve their rabbis (their rabbis) who are unemployed. But Rabbi Melamed met with a Reform rabbi from France who has a community and discussed with her the saving of Jews (for example, during the Holocaust. After all, anti-Semitism in France is very high today)

  8. Things that are harmful. Speak at the right time, what is good. It seems to me that these days, the days of repentance, are days when we all need to repent of the very common sin of automatic, schematic expressions of opinion and of adhering to any line, without the ability to truly listen to a different opinion and to others. The other side of the coin is fear of expressing a different opinion and the criticism that will follow.

  9. A. When Rabbi Sherlow tried to correspond with Rabbi Bleicher on the subject of how to study the Bible, he received a response from one of the avrechims of Shavei Hebron. When Rabbi Lichtenstein (!) tried to correspond with Rabbi Avraham Shapira on the subject of the demolition of synagogues in Gush Katif, he received a response from one of the grandchildren. This seems to be a very common practice to refer a figure you do not want to respond to to one of the students. B. In general, there is frustration among the teachers of the study of the books of abridged laws. I remember the reactions in my yeshiva that the Shulchan Aruch lost precedence over the Mishnah Berurah.

  10. On the 17th of Elul, 5th of September, 2019, Rabbi Matanya Ariel's criticism does not move me much. Naturally, someone who heads a large community and a yeshiva and institute, who needs to answer many questions and write books and articles on halacha and hashacha every day, is extremely busy. Anyone who wants to get their point across, and especially a great person, would do better to publish their objections publicly, and that way the discussion will be more effective.

    What is puzzling to me is the campaign in which Rabbi Melamed is making a "presentation" for reform. A group that uproots all validity of halacha, and encourages mixed marriages, why encourage it and demand that it be allowed to build a synagogue in the Western Wall Square? They will also hold mixed marriage ceremonies and "Bar Mitzvah" ceremonies there. For Gentile children? For what purpose?

    Best regards, T. Mahon

    1. And perhaps we should teach R.A. Melamed a lesson, that he is concerned about the future of settlement in Judea and Samaria under a Biden administration that is more inclined to favor ‘advancement of the peace process’ and ’Palestinian rights’, and therefore he believes it is worth approaching the currents that are closer to the Democrats, such as the Reform and Conservatives, in the hope that this will have a positive effect on their attitude towards settlement. And so on.

      Best regards, Yaffo

      1. In the Bible and in the Bible

        As I suspected, one of Rabbi Melamed's goals in his meetings with non-Orthodox rabbis is to bring them, and through them their communities, to settle in Judea and Samaria.

        Rabbi Melamed participated in a project organized by the Genesis Foundation, which brought together leaders and intellectuals from various streams in Israel and the Diaspora, with the aim of creating the "Declaration of Common Destiny," which would constitute a common "vision" that would unite all Jews in Israel and the Diaspora. See Zvika Klein's article, "The Revolutionary Scroll You Must Hear About," on the Makor Rishon website.

        Among other things, Rabbi Melamed spoke with the conservative Rabbi Sharon Brause, whose political views lie deep on the left. Among other things, she was chosen to congratulate Obama at his inauguration and demanded of him what was said about Abraham who "saw a burning capital" and concluded that a "leader for the capital" needed to be restored. See her article on Wikipedia, and Yair Sheleg's article, "Judaism in Different Tracks," on the Makor Rishon website.

        In his conversation with her that lasted hours, Rabbi Melamed wanted to show her how little they knew each other, and invited her to come to Israel on her visit to the settlement of ‘Har Bracha’, an invitation that Rabbi Brauz accepted but did not take place due to the coronavirus.

        There is some room for skepticism about the prospect of bringing Rabbi Brause and her French counterpart Delphine Horwiler closer together, since their concern with the Jewish tradition is to take from it what suits and strengthens liberal values, and as Brause says (in Yair Sheleg's article: "Our focus is not 'what I need to do to adapt myself to the tradition' but: what the Jewish tradition has to say to me in the place where I am."

        Even more problematic is the relationship with the French Rabbi Delphine Horwiler, whose liberal community is very small, her great influence is through her books in French that present Judaism from a liberal angle, and one must feel that the dialogue with Rabbi Melamed will not bring her closer but rather strengthen her public influence.

        And as I wrote below, instead of talking to leaders who are not interested in getting closer, it is better You are trying to find ways for your people, and books such as Rabbi Melamed's book "The Jewish Tradition," which summarizes in clear language the principles and customs of Judaism, may, if translated into English, influence the general public who are thirsty for knowledge of Judaism.

        With best wishes, Ya'far

        1. The ‘Declaration of Common Destiny’ which attempts to unite all streams of Judaism around it can be viewed on the website of the ‘Genesis Foundation’ founded by Mikhail Friedman, who is also one of Putin's close friends.

          The Megillah speaks of shared principles of concern for the physical existence of the Jewish people in the Land and in the Diaspora, cohesion and connection between the state and the public in the Diaspora, the establishment of a ‘model society’ that will be a ‘light to the world’, the cultivation of science and progress, and the strengthening of ‘Jewish identity’ based on mutual recognition of the different streams as ’different interpretations of Judaism’.

          Commitment to the Jewish faith and its commandments, and the struggle against assimilation and mixed marriages – are not there. These are only some of the ’legitimate interpretations’, within the framework of ’pluralism’ 🙂

          And we alone will hold on to our old scroll, which begins with the inability to ‘do as each and every one wishes’, and ends with the limitation of ‘desirable to the majority of his brothers’, and even though Mordechai cannot be desirable to all – nevertheless he remains ‘demanding good for his people, speaking peace to all his seed’

          With greetings, Reuel Hiyya Shefsil Ziegler

  11. Rabbi, what is your impression of Rabbi Matanya Ariel based on your personal experience?

  12. It's just a shame that the explicit teaching of the Gracious Yosef and Rabbi Elyashiv 2 zt”l is being ignored. Giving the Reformers a part of the Western Wall. Although some make excuses that are not really based on Rabbi Melamed's reasoning, it is probably not true. And at least the reason that they reduce assimilation and the Western Wall and bring men and women of the Mitzvah to the Western Wall strengthens Jewish consciousness and identity and reduces assimilation was against those great men, at least in parts of the discussions that Bozi Herzog and Avichai Mandelblit [then the Secretary of the Cabinet] had with them. Their need was well understood [they don't lack budgets and combinations, that's simply ridiculous] and they are not interested in legitimacy from Orthodoxy [and some wise man knows his place] and indeed, at first, the activists pushed for it to be approved, until the irritation of a few extremists with giant knitted kippahs jumped on them.
    Rabbi Melamed is allowed to think like Rabbi Elyashiv and Rabbi Yosef, certainly after they get to the bottom of the matter, and does not have to think like others who every morning see how the sun and the entire universe cooperate with the New Israel Fund and the Ministry of Education and other scoundrels.

    1. On the 15th of Elul, 5621;

      Hello, Rabbi,

      I do not know where the support of Rabbi Yosef and Rabbi Elyashiv Zetzil came from in the Western Wall Mitzvah, which the government decided on in early 2016, a few months after the departure of Rabbi and Rabbi to the high places of Ganzei Meromim.

      What existed before the Western Wall Mitzvah was a wide area at the Southern Western Wall, which was designated according to a High Court ruling for equal prayer. But the Reformers did not have enough of this, and the 'Women of the Wall' continued their provocative prayers with the help of the women, and therefore the 'Kotel Mitzvah' was proposed, in which the representatives of the Reformers and Conservatives would be given official representation on the council that would manage the 'equal expansion' and entrance to that 'expansion' from the main entrance to the Western Wall. In exchange, the Reformers and the 'Women of the Wall' would cease their 'prayers' with the help of the women of the Western Wall, which would continue to be conducted according to the tradition of Rabbinic Judaism.

      This compromise agreement, whose sole purpose was to exclude the 'Women of the Wall and the Reformers' The Women's Aid of the Western Wall Plaza is very problematic, because it includes official consent to turning the Southern Wall into a Reform and Conservative place of prayer.

      After all, the 15th century Sages of Spain taught us that a minor sin committed with public consent is more serious than a serious sin committed by an individual of his own free will. However, the Haredi activists believed in early 2016 that being content with weak opposition to the Reform Plaza is not "consent" and that weak opposition should be sufficient to gain the removal of the Reformers from the Western Wall Plaza. However, later the rabbis ordered to oppose it firmly, for the reason explained.

      However, even the "God forbid" of being content with weak opposition was solely to bring about the removal of the Women of the Wall and the Reformers from the Western Wall Plaza. Today, they have forgotten about it and are holding the rope at both ends

      What does this have to do with the actions of Rabbi Eliezer Melamed, the minister of songs of praise to the Reformers as the ’guardians of Jewish identity’? After all, those who are known for their support of mixed marriages, some of their rabbis also participate in mixed marriage ceremonies, and most of them accept the mixed couples and their children into their communities. Don't you encourage mixed marriages and assimilation more than that? What is the meaning of Rabbi Melamed's praises and high-profile meetings with representatives of the Reformers and Conservatives?

      And wonder upon wonder, he keeps meeting with Reformers who are a negligible minority in their countries. Thus, the ’Rabbi’ Delphine Horweiler from France, where Reform Jews constitute one or two percent of all Jews, and similarly Reform and Conservative Jews in Israel, who constitute a negligible percentage of the population, did not find Rabbi Melamed to whom to give a ‘presentation’?

      In the 1950s, Chief Rabbis Rabbi Herzog and Rabbi Nissim Zetzel opposed even the establishment of a Reform minyan at the Hebrew Union College branch. (See ‘Lador ve Lador’ Ch”2: On an Upright Stand, p’ …) and they justified this by the Reformers' striving against Halacha and their aiding in assimilation, and today that the Reformers have gone to extremes in their support of mixed marriages – the prophecy to support giving them a place near the Temple site?

      With regards, T. Mahon

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        … Where did Rabbi Yosef” come from?

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        … After all, the Reformers are known for their support for marriage…

      2. On the Reformers' support for mixed marriages, see Zvika Klein's interview with Rick Jacobs, president of the Union of Reform Judaism in North America, "Mixed Marriage? This is an Opportunity to Connect More People," on the Makor Rishon website, and Hanan Greenwood's article, "84% of Reform Rabbis: We Will Have Mixed Marriages," on the Israel Hayom website. (Among Conservatives, the percentage is smaller, but not insignificant, 8 out of 59). Indeed, these are the guardians of "Jewish identity." 🙂 What does Rabbi Melamed have to look for in them?

        Best regards, T. Mahon

        By the way, Rick Jacobs is one of the ‘J’Street’ people who oppose the ”occupation”. Is he really interested in the Western Wall or the opportunity to bash the Orthodox?

        1. רציונלי (יחסית)-ש.צ הפעם יש לך נקודה טובה says:

          Although I generally disagree with the points you raise. In relation to this point of mixed marriages, I agree with every word. Without referring to the polemic itself. And to everything that branches off from it. In American Judaism, for example, most members of the Reform community are gentiles. Halachically. Rabbi Melamed also responds to this claim on his Revivim website and claims that it depends on which communities are involved. But even if this is true for closed communities. There is a duty to love Israel and to draw near also towards a Jew who married a gentile. And he even expands to the sect and claims that in his opinion this mitzvah also extends to the son of a gentile. And even to the gentile herself because they feel identification with the people of Israel and its fate and must bring them closer and explain themselves to them.

          A very strange claim in my opinion. I do not know of a halachah that claims that there is a mitzvah to love a person who married a gentile and left the Jewish people. (Although I suppose if you see him as a baby who was captured or mistaken just like the average secular person, there is room to argue that..). But of course there is no commandment to love one's son or his partner. And the claim that they feel identification with the Jewish people is already really puzzling in the eyes of most of those sons and grandsons. They do not see Judaism as a component of their identity.

          1. He didn't say there is a mitzvah to love the gentile woman or her son. He said they should be loved too. Not that there is a mitzvah. It's not the same thing. I assume there is no prohibition in that.

            1. Claim: Because Reform Jews accept Gentiles without conversion according to the law and marry Jews to Gentiles, in practice most of them are now Gentiles, and there is no mitzvah to love them as Jewish brothers.

              Answer: Even if this is the case, it is obligatory to love all Jews in the Reform movement, and even if, following the spirit of the times, he is married to a non-Jew, he is still our brother and is called a son of the Lord. And their non-Jewish spouses or children are also commanded to be loved, since they are deeply connected to our brothers, and especially when they feel identification with the Jewish people. And the mitzvah will help us to merit increasing the light of the Torah until everyone wants to join according to the law in the great vision of the correction of the world as the guidance of the Torah in all its details.

              From his website

              Indeed, you are right. It is likely and likely that he did not mean love in the sense of a written mitzvah. I was caught up in semantics here. Simply because his claim amazes me for a reason beyond a doubt - whether it was written that there is room for love as a mitzvah or not as a mitzvah. Descendants of a Jewish father. His personal or impersonal explanation, because of the virtue of Israel that he believes is inherent in them as well. Because of the approach of the Jew who is married to a foreigner in a pleasant way because he is like a baby who was captured just like the secular one, and perhaps it was possible to bring them even a little closer to the true religion or at least give them a door in order to fulfill their obligation or to make them not hate it at least. His claim is puzzling to me because of his somewhat cosmic optimism regarding the Reformers as they are. The reality on the ground shows that most Reform thinkers are just classical Western liberal secularists who dress their statements in a Jews (meaning they preach the same way of life and value system as every liberal, secular/spiritual person who comes to a house of prayer once a week on average in Denmark or Switzerland. Then they claim that this way of life is based on a Midrash from the end of Chazal or some verse in the Bible. To which they give a creative interpretation). Some are also complete atheists. They openly claim that there is no difference between them and liberal concepts. And even classical progressive ones. And they admit that their holidays, prayers, etc. are just an expression of preserving ethnic customs from the end of Chazal and nothing more.

              All the exaggerated furor over this story stems, in my opinion, precisely from what many perceive as a circus. After all, cooperation between the religious sector and the secular and traditional public that is not required by the commandments - and even cooperation with anti-religious figures and elements - in everyday politics, economics, academia, the military and other fields - is a routine thing. That all of us do, and rabbis and religious figures do too. And dialogue or just a philosophical conversation with such elements is nothing new. No furor arose from the fact that Haim Navon hosted Yair Lapid on a radio show, or because Rabbi Sharki meets every week with a psychologist who is ultra-progressive and ultra-atheist.

              The compliments and charm that Rabbi Melamed bestows on Reformers are of course his full right. But they are contrary to reality. His statement that the distance between Orthodox and Reformers is enormous. But that there is also a broad and close religious common denominator is a mistake.

              I think that if the meeting had been a good one, it would have been worth saying that he came to talk to them and have a kind of debate with them about the essence of religion or the purpose of the Torah. It would have been worth emphasizing that he does not see them as a stream or movement that is close to Orthodoxy. And that of course in the meeting he does not grant any legitimacy but only tries to find a way to cooperate with them in neutral areas from endings where there is agreement on both sides - such a storm would not have been created.

              Although on the other hand, it is also his right to phrase it this way. And also his right to think that they are indeed a stream in Judaism and are close to the Orthodox because they at least do believe in one God and observe the commandments between man and man or at least deny idolatry - and also those who start to hallucinate world wars, hysteria, panic, stress just because the Rabbi Melamed met with someone called a rabbi ... or just because he phrased it differently - the problem is in him

              1. I agree with you. I will only add that for me the only thing that is enough for me to cooperate with a Jew is if he shares with me the feeling of sharing the fate and the preference of Jews over non-Jews in this matter (such as the preference and concern of family members first and foremost for family members). Whoever does not share, as far as I am concerned, is outside the fence (he is the one who has put himself out). Which is very suspicious about the standard Reforms who seem to be progressives at heart who work for the God of equality. Or that Rabbi Melamed believes in their Jewish point. But in this matter I have only what my eyes see. But this is a problem in Israel as well. Although as individuals most of the left camp is made up of individuals who are Zionists, as a camp and as a collective it is progressive and not Zionist. Which, as far as I'm concerned, rules out cooperation with the left in Israel to the point of demanding that its people leave the country with their property (since they don't believe in the country and the Jewish people. Nationhood for them is a racist concept and anyone who doesn't believe in the Jewish nation has no right whatsoever here in Israel and should leave. He certainly can't control me (in that case he's an invader and a foreign occupier) and I'm not interested in controlling him either. And I wouldn't split the country into two states. That's not practical). The question of whether there are non-progressive reformers, according to what seems to be a lot of those from France that he met with, is like this:

  13. All the talk about sin of many or sin of one is really wonderful.
    But it is not relevant to the matter.
    There are our brothers and sisters here who need a share and inheritance in the Wall in order to deepen Jewish identity in order to reduce assimilation, and the rabbis' decision was to give them one. And we do not have the authority to reject them from Judaism. This is not recognition of their system, and it really does not bother them whether Orthodoxy recognizes them or not. [And it may even harm the conservative parts there, the more liberal groups will mock them, look who supports you and the Wall that you have achieved...]
    The outline of the Wall was worked on for many years, whether it was Boz'i and Mandelblit, and the outline was still in the lives of the Gersh and Rabbi Avdiya. There is no point in arguing. Learn a little about the compromise and its designers and whose opinion it was, and all the questions will fall into place for you.
    Of course, the rabbis who supported this when they actually brought it to the government were Rabbi Nebenzel, Hagar Kanievsky [because that was what his father-in-law ordered] Rabbi Aryeh Stern, Rabbi Rabinowitz, and almost everyone who had been seriously involved in the issue for years.
    The ones who failed were Rabbi Sh.M. Amar [who was then ridiculed and scorned for this in the Haredi press] Rabbi Tau [and those who followed him/his disciples] and Mati Dan. These were the ones who managed to change the picture for now. You can think they are right and you can think they are wrong and dangerous, but it is important to know the facts.
    Rabbi Melamed does not have to stick to the most extreme line, he has the right to stick to the most logical side.

    1. I don't know what you're talking about, our brothers and sisters. For some reason, it seems to me that all those Reformers oppose the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people. See the related entry. And I hope I'm wrong. The missing ones are we crazy people (the left) who need to bring more Jews here to undermine our independence?

    2. ,הרא"נ תמך בפשרה משום אילוץ הבג"ץ וחזר בו says:

      On the 16th of Elul, 5621;f

      Rabbi Nebenzel initially supported the compromise of the ‘mitzvah of the Western Wall’, out of compulsion due to the threat of the High Court of Justice to permit the prayer of the Reformers and ’women of the Western Wall’. In an interview with ’Behadrei Haredim’, dated 2/22/16, Rabbi Nebenzel makes it clear unequivocally that he opposes any foothold of the Reformers and Conservatives near the Western Wall, but the fear of the High Court of Justice requires accepting the ‘lesser evil’.

      He notes that the principle of the ‘lesser evil’ Based on the ruling of Rabbi Elyashiv 15 years earlier, although there is a difference between the old and the current Mitzvah (and as I explained above, in the Mitzvah of ‘Ezrat Yisrael’, it is a lateral entry and no official status for Reformers. ”C). Yes, Rabbi Nebenzel does not hide his concern that the compromise will be exploited by the Reformers for additional loopholes.

      Shortly afterwards, on 3/3/16, the article ‘Now it is official: There is no rabbinical support for the Reform Wall’ reports that Rabbi Nebenzel conveyed a message to the Chief Rabbinate (through his student Rabbi Yehoshua Katz) that he requested that they do everything to cancel the Mitzvah. A few months later, Ari Kalman reports, In his article, the Chief Rabbis and the heads of the Haredi parties decided: to demand the cancellation of the Western Wall plan, and in the meeting with the Chief Rabbis, the Rabbi Nebzahl also participated in this demand.

      The opposition to the Western Wall plan was led not only by Rabbi Amar, but also Rabbi Mazuz, Rabbi Cohen, and the Chief Rabbis Rabbi Yosef and Rabbi Lau came out strongly against this plan, saying that they were not consulted at all in determining the plan.

      With best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner

    3. Can you explain how you will strengthen the Jewish identity of Reformers (assuming they are Jewish according to Halacha and Akmal) when you bring them to the Western Wall and allow them to conduct their religious ceremonies there?
      Suppose a delegation of Jews for Jesus were to request a Christian mass at the Western Wall Square; would you support this as well, “to strengthen their Jewish identity”? After all, this is a hoax and an insult. Reformers are no different. Reform is not a “sect within Judaism,” but a religion that has separated from it and is fighting it. Holding Reform ceremonies at the Western Wall Square while using Jewish holy objects is tantamount to “conquering the queen, my people, in the house.” A vile provocation that does not strengthen any Jewish identity.
      If you really want to strengthen the Jewish identity of the Reformers, invite them to the Western Wall so that they can see a real Jewish prayer (in whatever form you wish). But under no circumstances should they be allowed to desecrate the sanctity of the Western Wall (which today is as sacred as a synagogue) by holding their religious ceremonies. Even if they get very angry! (Oh, oh, oh).

      1. בין ה'עמך' ל'מימסד הדתי' הרפורמי (למרדכי) says:

        On the 12th of Elul, 5th of September

        To Mordechai, greetings,

        Recognizing the religious establishment of the Reforms as rabbis is of course a great danger, as they will lead the masses to follow them in permitting everything that is forbidden according to Halacha, up to and including mixed marriages.

        On the other hand, it is important to maintain contact with your people in the Diaspora, who are all returning as captive babies whose knowledge of Judaism is close to zero, so that the thin thread that still connects them to Judaism is not severed. There are those who read and study in the Jewish bookcase Brings them closer, there are those for whom food or art, folklore and customs preserve the ’spark’.

        And there are also quite a few for whom entering a painful site with national and/or religious cultural significance, and praying and asking for forgiveness, in the personal way familiar to that person – is what will invigorate and intensify in that person the ’Jewish spark’, the ‘light in the place’ may not immediately restore them to a better state, but it will awaken and strengthen in them the feeling of affection for the heritage of Judaism.

        So the idea that they conceived at the time and established ‘Ezrat Israel’ near the Southern Wall, where even those for whom ’gender separation’ is &#8216allocated’ Because of the liberal education he received, and to pray alone with his concubine in his own way – is not unreasonable on its face..

        The problem is that the Reform establishment is not willing to settle for such a space where they can pray in their own way as private individuals. The Reform establishment is interested in official recognition as an equal stream in Judaism. And they are not interested in being pushed into a side space, so they initially demanded to receive equal status at the Western Wall, and only in retrospect did they agree to accept ‘Ezrat Israel’ at the Southern Wall, and on the condition that entry there be made through the main entrance to the Wall, and that they be given official representation on the council that manages ‘Ezrat Israel’ See in detail on Wikipedia under the entries ‘Ezrat Israel’ and ’Kotel Outline’

        This is the complexity of this affair: How can the connection of the ’Amcha’ in the Diaspora be maintained to the Western Wall as a national and religious heritage site, but without official recognition of the sects and ’rabbis’ that deny the Halacha.

        With best wishes, Eliam Fishel Werkheimer

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          … most of them are ‘captured babies’, …

          Paragraph 3, line 1
          … that entering a historically significant site…

          Name, line 2
          … and praying or asking God in a personal way…

        2. In the 23rd of Elul, 1551

          In accordance with the distinction I proposed between the Jewish ’people’ who, out of ignorance, follow ‘Reform and Conservative rabbis, who should be approached with explanation and pleasant ways, and those &#8216Rabbis’ who know the Torah but interpret it in a way that empties it of its intention.

          Therefore, just as Rabbi Melamed should be criticized for his meetings with Reform and Conservative rabbis, and his proposals to promote the establishment of a Reform place of prayer near the Western Wall, his book ‘Jewish Tradition’ should be commended It concisely explains the principles and customs of Judaism, in clear and accessible language, understandable even to a modern person who does not have a Torah “Dinkota” version.

          The book should be translated into English and Spanish, French and Russian, so that Jews who lack knowledge of Judaism can receive clear concepts of the values of rabbinic Judaism that is faithful to the law, and perhaps the words will also influence their scholars and spiritual leaders, to come even a little closer to the tradition of their people.

          With greetings, Afur

  14. Liron Fish”l.
    You're messing up again, big time.
    Father says to son while walking in the fields. Look at the beautiful wheat from which bread and cookies will be made.
    After a few days, the son comes to father, why did you deceive me?
    I saw with my own eyes how mother makes cookies from dough, not from wheat…

    Years of discussions and with the agreement of the rabbis, they came up with a suitable outline. One or two rabbis stood up and shouted against [when he discussed, Rabbi Tao and later probably Rabbi Amar] Everyone else ran, waited and was glad that it would pass.
    The above managed to arouse an atmosphere of opposition [this is not really difficult, especially for people of a very specific type with very specific thinking habits] and now several more rabbis are joining the atmosphere of opposition.
    Now tell me and tell me. Did the father lie? Are bread and cookies made from wheat or from dough?

  15. עורך חלקון בספרי אדונינו מו"ר הרב נבנצל שליט"א says:

    I am dust under the feet of our master, the rabbi, the rabbi Nebenzel. Literally and as his midrash.
    And there is still something to discuss.
    1. The rabbi claims that the support of Rabbi Elyashiv [and Rabbi Ovadia] ztch was only because of the High Court. There are many who think that other good reasons made them decide so, including considerations that he raised [in public, and without fear. And this is mainly the difference between Rabbi Melamed and Rabbi Ovadia and the rabbi] Rabbi Melamed. Could it be that they actually had the same considerations? What else did he not bring evidence from those who participated in the discussions with the rabbi and the rabbi. Which is indeed according to his hypothesis. [And habits of speaking in particular from the direction of Bozi and Mandelblit who did indeed raise with the elders the situation of the Reform communities abroad and their contribution to reducing assimilation and strengthening identity and connection to the people of Israel, and the reason and need to give them a part of the Wall. And it seems that Bozi said this explicitly on the radio in those days.]
    2. The aforementioned elders were afraid of the High Court and the atmosphere of controversy and desecration of God that would exist in the absence of a solution. Let's assume that according to the rabbi's words, they were only afraid of this. Well, weren't they right? The fear was removed? Our eyes that see...

  16. Today I received a nice link regarding the nature of the Midrashiya mentioned in the column:
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223975214301792&id=1040771182&comment_id=10223975364065536&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&notif_id=1630331336247868&ref=m_notif

  17. Here is another idiot whose rulings cannot be trusted. Not because he is an infidel or evil but because he is an idiot:
    https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1283981

  18. The meeting with Rabbi Amichai Eliyahu was held before the publication of Rabbi Matanya's column. (The publication was after)

  19. The main point here is what was defined in the article as “intellectual independence.” This is the root of the whole matter. There should be no intellectual independence in the ruling of halakhah! This is not a discussion of views but ruling. This disruption is what causes all the disruptions later. It is forbidden to rely on personal views in rulings, one does not study and certainly does not teach halakhah that way.

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