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Reflections Following the Meron Disaster (Column 387)

With God’s help

Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

Although the blood is still boiling and the gates of tears have not been closed, around this bubbling there also bubbles a stupid and inflammatory discourse which, in my estimation, it is time to address rationally (yes, there is such a level of discussion, for anyone who has forgotten).

On Emotion and Foolishness

I will preface by saying that my main goal on this site is to push back against the bluster and emotionalism that characterize discourse in our parts and to try, even a little, to tilt it toward something more logical, substantive, and rational. This applies to religious thinking, but also to human thinking in general. Of course, in our world—awash in foolishness and emotion—this is a suicidal mission, but I realized long ago that I harbor self-destructive tendencies (as Ehud Barak once said: “If you were a Palestinian teenager, I would have been a suicide bomber.” A simple and obvious statement—though that didn’t spare him the predictable emotional outburst it provoked).

What triggers this column is, of course, the discourse around Meron, and also what developed here on the site about it. It faithfully reflects a situation in which intelligent people fall into a mental and emotional fixation that prevents the possibility of dialogue with them. Say something rational and you’ll get smacked straight from the raging gut (and their tearful eyes). So permit me, as is my way, to pour a bit more fuel on this bonfire of vanities, and you are certainly invited to respond and pour it over me in the talkbacks. I’m sure you will, but I write these words for those few who refuse to be swept away by the sentimental foolishness flooding our streets. Good luck to us all.

I have written more than once that feelings are overrated. Almost all of us have them, and of course they should be taken into account. But feelings are now regarded as something sacred that must not be offended. Indeed, one shouldn’t hurt people for no reason in any way—at least as long as it isn’t necessary. But emotion is not a guide and cannot tell us what is right and what is proper. Moreover, usually when a person writes and speaks out of stormy emotions, he will talk nonsense. The main reason for the shallowness of discourse in our milieu is the exalted status given to emotions. Emotion is the mother of all sin; it bears primary responsibility for the appalling stupidity and the bluster in our discourse.

The Cry of the “Robbed Cossack”

The fact that someone is sad—even if he has been deeply hurt by me—doesn’t mean he is right. Likewise, the fact that someone has hurt another person doesn’t mean he is wrong. One can lodge claims of courtesy and timing against the offender, but those often get mixed with substantive claims that well up from the depths of emotion.

This morning I received an email from someone who feels sharp criticism toward Haredi society (he himself grew up in it, and perhaps still belongs to it), and he wonders when his criticism is impolite and when it’s contemporary silencing under the tool of the almighty PC. I wrote back that there is no real connection between courtesy and PC. PC tries to change thought by changing speech and terminology, whereas courtesy only demands that we express things in a way that doesn’t hurt someone. I added that there are no rules of courtesy for thought—only for behavior and speech. In thought, the only rules are true and false. In speech and behavior, one must also consider consequences for others. In the critiques of Yaron London’s remarks that took up significant space here on the site and in the media in general, PC claims and criticisms of discourtesy are mixed together, and many take them into the realm of substance—usually without even noticing. This sharply illustrates what I am describing here.

Incidentally, the over-reliance on manners arises precisely when the claims are correct and you have no adequate response to them. Then you pull out the doomsday weapon and lament that it’s hurtful and impolite and inhuman, and altogether boorish. If you also make sure to be offended and say that the speaker is “dancing on blood,” you will certainly come out on top. Many people and groups who behave improperly—especially when they cannot justify their conduct, morally and/or rationally—when criticized for it, instead of answering, they take offense and accuse (which, of course, is entirely forgotten when they themselves criticize others). In Yiddish, this phenomenon is called “the cry of the ‘robbed Cossack’.” This is another reason it’s wrong to yield to accusations and shut up even in difficult hours. Various Cossacks exploit this for their purposes.

Initial Reflections on Lag BaOmer in Meron

One cannot escape a few opening words about the very “Rashbi carnival” in Meron. It is a bizarre event without equal—perhaps except for the graves-carnival and the tzaddik-cult in Uman. Here’s the recipe: take a day whose origin and meaning are unclear (see Responsa Chatam Sofer, Yoreh De’ah §§233–234), pour into it bizarre contents that our ancestors never imagined and that no one knows what they mean (probably nothing), add a pinch of customs whose foundation is on “mountains of holiness” (i.e., in the office of the middle Rebbe of Weisskvas-Piltz, the one who, after a legal struggle with his brother, managed to gain the slice of the dynasty covering the northern chain of the Shalshelet settlement and who sports a pink-and-gold gartel), mix well, cook for half an hour, and it will immediately become the biggest, most “religious” central event in the world—and all the multitudes of our wise and intelligent people will cooperate with this foolishness. Tried and tested.

As I understand it, this carnival and the mass hankering after it come from exactly the same place as the Boombamela festival or trance parties among secular people. It’s a well-known, if sad, fact that many people feel a deep inner pull toward emotion and ecstasy to lift them out of their a priori everyday life and give them a feeling of elevation. Those parties are just contemporary examples, but this didn’t start today. That was likely also the source of the ecstasy of idolaters who gaped to Peor, or those who danced around the Golden Calf and said to it, “This is your god, O Israel.” People seek an outlet for their longings toward the spiritual, the ecstatic, and the emotional. They want to flee the annoying, cold intellect that forces us to think and to distinguish between Shabbat and the six weekdays, between the essential and the peripheral (and the petty), and between one who serves God and one who does not. And if there is no intellect—whence the distinction?!

Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and using their brains, they prefer to ruminate on Hasidic bon mots that demand nothing and require no effort—even though they teach us nothing. But they grant us sublime experiences of depth without content. Hence the study days and lectures on such topics are packed and teeming with people, while rigorous, systematic learning in various fields is set aside like a stone no one turns. The priestess lies in the corner while the innkeeper sacrifices on the altar.

People prefer to separate challah with fervor and believe it will heal someone’s illness, rather than understand that challah is a commandment like any other that we fulfill because we were so commanded, and that performing it for such aims borders on a biblical prohibition. In the end, it’s just a prosaic acknowledgment of a grim reality. Far more satisfying and uplifting is to separate challah while murmuring (whose source is on those same “mountains of holiness” above), and then to avoid acknowledging that it did not help in any way. No tear and no lofty murmur ever returns empty, as is well known.

Back to Lag BaOmer. It starts with a few rebbes looking for a niche in which to stand out. Apparently they have nothing more interesting and useful to say or do, so how will it be known that they are rebbes? How will we all know they are scions of tarshishim and arelim, who themselves descended from other tarshishim and arelim (was there ever a real tarshish and ariel in such a chain? Who knows?!). I once heard that the Rebbe of Sanz took as a son-in-law for his daughter a “simple” young man who was examined by him on two thousand pages of Talmud. When asked how a prominent rebbe like him permits himself to match with someone so “simple,” he replied that he prefers someone who begins the pedigree over one who ends it. These rebbes enlist the services of gabba’im, fixers, and PR people, and all of them quarrel among themselves and run legal and other intrigues to secure exclusive rights to the sacred lighting ceremonies in Meron. These are rights to spaces in place and time—who will light a bonfire and who won’t—and who will enhance the name of his well-known ariel-and-tarshish rebbe. “My rebbe is a bigger tough guy, for he lit the Lag BaOmer bonfire of vanities with lofty, obscure murmurs at location X at time Y—unlike your rebbe, nebich, who lit only at location Y and time X, and who had only 10,000 foolish Hasidim, not 200,000 like ours. Besides, his face wasn’t really seized with holy rapture and supreme joy like my rebbe’s.” Thus the myths of “chai rotel” are born and become mass articles of faith; I suppose this is exactly how idolatry was born.

This PR machine—purely about money, power, and honor—bears fruit, surprisingly enough, because it clothes itself in those same longings for “spirituality” and experiences in a way that does not require intellectual effort, Heaven forbid (just a bit of pushing and suffering, and murmuring Psalms that will bring salvation in the merit of the tzaddik). The fact that there are serious concerns of several grave halachic prohibitions will not stop our idolaters, nor will it prevent them from staging the largest trance party in the world. When I see the mass, uniform, ecstatic swaying of the crowd at these worthless, tasteless events, I shudder at the immense power of mass suggestion and recall idolatrous experiences we supposedly were spared in these generations. I confess with shame that even I, small as I am, sometimes feel a sense of “experience” when present at various rituals (religious or not). We are all human. But I try to overcome it, and certainly do not turn it into something of value—i.e., into an ideology. At most, it is a surrender to our baser needs—and even that is permissible from time to time. An “experience” is merely a kind of leisure activity (and when it is mass, it is usually base and herd-like, in my view), nothing more.

“All Mockery Is Forbidden—Except Mockery of Idolatry”

I think I have already brought here the words of R. Yitzchak Hutner in his Pachad Yitzchak on Purim. He explains the Sages’ dictum (end of Megillah 25b):

Rav Nachman said: All mockery is forbidden, except mockery of idolatry, which is permitted, as it is written, “Bel bows, Nebo stoops,” and it is written, “They stooped, they bowed together; they could not deliver the burden…” Rabbi Yannai said [we learn it] from here: “The inhabitants of Samaria shall fear for the calves of Beth-aven, for its people shall mourn over it, and its priests shall tremble over it, over its glory, because it is departed from it”—do not read “its glory” (kevodo) but “its heaviness” (kevido). Rav Huna bar Menoach said in the name of Rav Acha the son of Rav Ika: It is permitted for a Jew to say to a gentile, “Take your idol and place it on its shin and tav [i.e., on its posterior].” Rav Ashi said: One whose name is offensive is permitted to be mocked with a gimel and shin [i.e., to distort it disparagingly]; one whose name is pleasant is permitted to be praised; and one who praises him—blessings shall rest on his head.

Why is mockery—apparently not much liked by the Sages (though I do like it)—permitted with respect to idolatry? R. Hutner explains after first clarifying what is bad about mockery per se: it punctures a hole in the balloon of anything important and lets out the air (like a shield anointed with oil). And what is bad about idolatry? There we encounter great importance accorded to things that are intrinsically devoid of importance (wood and stone). Therefore, R. Hutner explains, mockery is the right and proper tool for dealing with idolatry: it pricks the empty balloon of importance and returns it to its natural size. One must understand that indeed the idolaters are hurt by such mockery, and it is certainly impolite to behave that way. True—but no less important is puncturing the balloon of idolatry than avoiding hurting its worshippers. If they worship idolatry, they must bear the consequences of the war against it.

You will surely be surprised to hear that I often engage in the craft of mockery, since it is very dear to me. But I think I always do so (at least this is my policy in principle) where I see a whiff of idolatry—i.e., where disproportionate importance is given to something devoid of importance. In cases of mere mistakes (in my view) or in a debate about a topic that truly has two sides—even if I hold one of them—I do not usually resort to mockery; I conduct the debate in a more serious tone. But where disproportionate importance is accorded to something unimportant—be it a person, a text, a concept, or an idea—there I stand by R. Hutner’s words. Note that precisely in such places people are hurt by criticism, for it touches what seems to them very important. Yet precisely there the Sages instruct us not to recoil from causing that hurt. In a sense, this is the cry of the “robbed Cossack” that I discussed above.

I will add that even in debates of the second sort I present arguments, but I certainly allow myself to present them cynically. This is the important, delicate difference between irony/cynicism and lack of substance. Lack of substance is unacceptable to me in any situation. Lack of substance is when one jokes without presenting arguments—not when one presents arguments in a cynical formulation. When I present a position and people attack it as heresy or mock it—this is non-substantive. But if they present arguments against it—even if phrased cynically—bless them. I very much enjoy such phrasing; it adds some salt and pepper to our lives (you see, I too am drawn after “experiences”). When I am offended by someone’s words, I know I’ve been caught without an answer, and then I make a point of trying to overcome it. That reaction is irrelevant and certainly no substitute for arguments. If I have no counter-arguments, I must honestly admit I was wrong and not use offense to exit the debate with dignity (the “robbed Cossack” effect). In short, cynicism and substance are not necessarily opposites.

Yaron London

I assume there’s no need to present Yaron London’s words about the Meron disaster, which are now appearing under every green tree. Nevertheless, I bring them here in full so your eyes can see them straight. I suggest reading them attentively and critically, without falling captive to emotional traps and distortions that appeared in the media:

Almost nothing.

From my place as an Israeli, Jewish, atheist, liberal, leftist, rationalist, Tel Avivian, I try to honestly examine my state of mind from the moment I learned of the disaster in Meron.

The calamity of my loved ones shakes me. The tremor lessens in proportion to how far the victim is from the seismograph that registers the intensity of my feelings. The troubles of my children and grandchildren produce in me a quake of ten on the Richter scale, whereas the disaster of thousands in Bangladesh scarcely stirs a fiber of my heart. At the far end of the scale lies schadenfreude at the victim’s misfortune, and beyond that—complete indifference. If the intensity of one’s reaction to a disaster indeed marks the distance between me and the community of mourners, how great is that distance?

I recall a figure who appeared on the news broadcast before the deadly commotion broke out. The man boasted of his devotion to tradition: “I haven’t missed a single celebration for decades.” In my heart I wanted to ask him, “And what is the point of such persistence?” but I immediately silenced the question, driven as it was by a condemnable judgmentalism. Everyone has the right to choose his pleasures, and it isn’t for me to judge. In answer to a question about the fear of crowding, a Petri dish of viruses, he replied that “the merit of Rabbi Shimon will protect us.” “Yes,” I said to myself, “it will protect you just as his teacher, Rabbi Akiva, protected the hundreds of thousands of Jews slaughtered in the days of the Bar Kochba revolt.” The answer of this complacent unknown already justified my anger, because the carelessness shown by him and his ilk somewhat increased the danger to those outside their circle—including me.

Know that I suffer from agoraphobia, whose literal meaning is “fear of the marketplace,” and one of its signs is fear of being in a crowded place. Seeing the tens of thousands of men packed into the stadium awaiting the start of the lighting ceremony, almost none of them with a mask covering their face, a thought flashed in my mind that the pilgrims might be struck by some version of the disasters of the Maccabiah bridge, the Arad festival, and the Versailles wedding hall. But I silenced the siren in my head, because I am not the patron of the Haredim nor their tutor, and if they despise danger and so revel in dragging mattresses and sacks of food, crammed into smoke-belching buses groaning up the Galilee climbs, sweating in bursting train cars, if their spirits expand thanks to crowding and rubbing shoulders, to infants’ wails and the singeing of toddlers’ locks, to the blare of shofars and choking on bonfire smoke, and all this for the sake of an ancient sage whose rulings few of them understand but in whose magical powers all of them believe—why should I worry about them?

Helping to quell the sense of immediate danger was the absence of distinguishing marks among the individuals in the images of the masses. They resembled each other as wildebeest resemble one another when they fall to the jaws of crocodiles swarming the Mara River during the great migration across the Serengeti plain. The herd by the tens of thousands charges the river, shoulder rubbing shoulder. The wildebeest slide from the bank like a waterfall and cross the strip of brown water where crocodiles lie in wait, and the viewer cannot tell one from another—unless the cameraman chooses to focus on a struggling calf whose fate is sealed. If, say, one of the gathered in Meron had worn a red shirt, or a wide-brimmed cowboy hat, or stood out by his height, or sported a pirate’s eye patch over one eye—my soul might have fastened to him in some way. But I felt no closeness to the featureless silhouettes—thousands of identical shadows moving in unison on the TV screen. Why should I care if a few dozen of them drop like identical cardboard cutouts at a shooting gallery?

News of the disaster reached me only in the morning, and my reaction was, “Told you so!” An arrogant response, full of condescension and schadenfreude. I condescended to the Haredim as a sober adult condescends to a wild child who drives recklessly and hits a wall. Anger is there, too, because the stupid child defied me, rebelled against my authority, insulted my dignity, and now burdens me with the need to worry about him and take care of him. He also forces me to share his sorrow, because it is impolite to refrain from expressing sorrow—and I have troubles of my own.

I rebuked myself for the “told you so,” but I also could not identify with the tone of mourning with which radio and TV announcers spoke—the slightly slow tone, a quarter-octave lower—reserved for announcements about IDF fallen and for other heavy disasters that occur only in the Jewish world. I knew that immediately we would hear the voices of survivors, accounts by those who almost died and were saved only by a miracle, complaints about policemen who acted this way or that and thereby worsened the disaster, reports of intrigues within the police, Netanyahu in his deep voice would utter sentences taken from the drawer in the chest of drawers in which the words appropriate for such events are stored, demands to establish a commission of inquiry and to dismiss officials, explanations about the Jewish character that excels in sky-high initiative and neglects details (“The redhead forgot the key,” by Ephraim Kishon). One of the Lau rabbis would say that the pain is all of ours and that in such situations disagreements are forgotten, for once again it turns out that we are one people and responsible for each other. Someone would say “Holocaust.” It would not be long before field reporters, prodded by panicking editors, would bring us the pictures of the dead with texts teaching the greatness of the loss. All the deceased would be of noble character, and some would have relatives who had just died in other disasters—because in the Hebrew media there is no disaster victim who dies without a wreath of prior family disasters.

To sum up: for now I express sorrow out of courtesy. I feel roughly what I felt in September 2015, when 2,411 people were crushed to death during the Hajj in Mecca—a faint “oy,” as it were. I try to internalize the sorrow, to resuscitate it, to arouse it, to make it a personal, authentic experience rather than a rote commandment—and the effort does not succeed. For now I feel toward this disaster and its victims much as I felt upon hearing of a tsunami on an Indonesian island. Almost nothing.

Words of steel. He wrote the truth with praiseworthy honesty. There isn’t a word of antisemitism here, nor anything shameful. There is a description of the feelings of a liberal Israeli who feels alienated from the Haredim and, from his perspective, they are like Rwandans or members of another people far away—so their disaster does not touch him on the emotional plane. He of course shares their sorrow, as with the sorrow of any human being who suffers, but he doesn’t feel toward them as toward family whose grief touches him personally. What here is not self-evident? What here merits criticism? This is an authentic, honest description of emotions that many Israelis feel but do not dare articulate because of consideration for the Haredim and because of PC.

These words come after years and generations in which the Haredim maintain an ideology of alienation and separation from all around them; of non-contribution and narrow, sectoral self-interest; of extensive exploitation without a drop of gratitude toward the systems that surround them (health, defense, justice, police, education, psychological counseling and guidance, academia, and more); of laying the blame for every disaster on others and their views and refusing true soul-searching; of primitivism and ossification of thought; of insane, monopolistic coercion of their norms on the general public that does not believe in them, does not acknowledge them, and does not want them—some not even anchored in halacha (Shabbat, kashrut, marriage, conduct at the Western Wall, the content of state ceremonies, and more)—who cares?!; of irresponsible, heavy-footed conduct that harms all of us—economically and in security, and in the past year, in health as well. And after all this, Yaron London, as an atheist and a liberal, honestly admits that he feels alienation toward them, though he even lightly rebukes himself for it (after all, he is a leftist, no?). Isn’t that exactly what they wanted to achieve? This is their policy. So why the rage? He doesn’t belittle anyone’s grief, and if he met a person in sorrow he would surely share it. Here he describes his feelings facing a collective sorrow of some public—not meeting a specific grieving person.

This is truly the “robbed Cossack” phenomenon. Yaron London held up a mirror to them, and suddenly they have no answers or justifications. You do all this to us—flout the rules, revel with graves, and dance with the stars—we protect you, organize for you, and fund you; we are the ones who save you from your own hands (sometimes—we don’t always succeed). And you, in return, despise us and coerce us. And suddenly you discover you’ve succeeded (not really, since the overwhelming majority of the public displayed remarkable empathy). Now you complain. You want consideration and feelings of solidarity—since, after all, we are sons of one father. As noted, when there are no substantive answers, the Cossack takes up the craft of taking offense.

Beyond that, Yaron London expressed a feeling, not a moral or value position. The disaster of any person is sad and we should be saddened by it, and I’m sure that when he sees such a disaster up close he will be sad. He only wondered why, for him, the Haredim’s disaster in Meron differs from that of the Rwandans. The Rwandans did not suffer less (indeed, far more). The claim is that the Haredim are closer to him. But that is an emotional, not a moral, claim. On the emotional plane, London’s feelings are what they are. Those are facts and he merely reports them. There is no value or moral stance here, and therefore I see no room for criticism.

Back to the Difference Between Courtesy and Substance

In passing, I cannot avoid pointing to the words of a teacher named Liat Winder Nokad, who wrote a wonderful and moving post on Facebook—truly a faithful planting, a craftsman’s work, a jar of manna. Very few texts I’ve read are written at that level. I highly recommend reading it.

If you read it, you surely noticed that between the lines there is criticism quite similar to London’s—and just as sharp in substance—but written with great gentleness and empathy (though with no small condescension), and therefore it does not arouse similar feelings in the reader. It would be truly fascinating to compare the content of her words to London’s (they are almost one-to-one) and, alongside that, to compare readers’ reactions to the two posts. The difference between her words and London’s lies mainly in intonation and phrasing, which illustrates just how much people read from the gut rather than the head, and how much they mix courtesy with substance, and form with content.

As I understand it, she does not describe any closeness to the Haredim and certainly not that they are members of the same people as she is. On the contrary, I sense not-so-hidden mockery toward such statements (as Haredi slogans) and a condescending disdain for their primitive conceptions. But in her writing there is extraordinary empathy and an exquisitely gentle style (beyond the very act of going to console mourners in Bnei Brak). The tense combination she achieves is genius—truly an art. I immediately wonder what would happen if she took a similar step toward a disaster that befell Palestinians living here (I can assume that, from her perspective, it is quite similar: not one people—but there is room for empathy and knowing/understanding the other). I am fairly sure that such a step would not elicit a similar response from most readers here—not to mention that they themselves would not take it.

You know what—why speak theoretically?! Ask yourselves what Haredim do in the face of disasters at a song festival or a soccer match. Will you find there empathy of the kind they expect from others here? Will no one there attribute it to the sins of secularism? (“They all engage in nonsense and wasting time—and this is what happens. The hand of God struck those unfortunates!” After all, the Chazon Ish and the Brisker Rav already said wars are because of, and the fault of, the secular.) Would it, for them, be the same sorrow as over the Meron disaster? I have no doubt that for many—the answer is no. Go and see their attitude toward Memorial Day for IDF fallen. It’s not only non-participation in the official ceremonies—that’s entirely forgivable. I’m talking about their principled attitude—what is reflected in the streets and in conversations in the study halls. About the fiery speeches of “what have we to do with them.” I was there and I heard it. Not all, of course—but it is the basic ethos. Incidentally, Yaron London is not “all the secular,” either. On the contrary, the great majority among the secular publicly express remarkable empathy—which (like London) seems to me a bit hypocritical (courtesy obliges). And regarding IDF fallen, these are people who gave their lives for their protection—not just unfortunates who suffered a calamity. And what is the reason for the lack of empathy? Alienation and distance, of course. Most Haredi families do not know soldiers, even less fallen ones. It doesn’t happen in their garden bed—therefore there is little empathy (I’m not speaking of meeting grieving people personally; I mean the public plane). So why should they protest London’s feelings? “Robbed Cossack,” as I said?!

And What About Me?

Contrary to the Greek chorus here on the site that accuses me of identifying with London, nowhere did I write or say that I am not sad about what happened, nor did I express agreement with his words (if only because he makes no claim—he only expresses a feeling). I wrote and said that I fully understand London’s feeling according to his approach and in light of his place and views. I wrote that it is entirely to be expected—natural and fully understandable in my eyes. I also reject with contempt the inflammatory, emotional critiques of him. But I, unlike him, do feel closeness to the Haredim (despite the harsh criticism of them with which I fully agree)—if only because of family connections, religious faith (shared to some extent—after all, they are the sect closest to me), and my personal biography. Some of my best friends are…. But I will not deny that when I heard about the disaster, a few feelings similar to those he describes also passed through me: things like “I told you so,” “a blow to idolaters in the Holy Land,” “a herd of wildebeest,” and the like—and even a bit of schadenfreude (a natural, if undesirable, feeling).

None of this has any connection—nor does it contradict—the sadness one feels at the loss of life and at families in such profound grief and sorrow. On the personal level, that is certainly no less than the personal sadness I would feel if I knew the victims in Rwanda (who, unlike the Haredim, did nothing to me and are not to blame for their situation—but on the other hand, they are also less close to me). I am sure that this is also London’s state. But at the collective level you are not standing before a specific deceased person or a specific bereaved family—you are facing a public that brought disaster upon itself by its own negligent hands, and that constitutes a bitter, harassing, and thoroughly immoral adversary, as I described above. Exactly as Yaron writes—it is the feeling of an adult faced with something that happens to a foolish child who did not heed his voice and brought this upon himself—especially when that child bullies, scorns, and exploits him all his life without any gratitude. Is he expected to feel empathy? But the criers of emotion here, like the media’s PC-soaked ranters—eyes awash with tears and hearts brimming to bursting—are incapable of listening to arguments, let alone understanding them. They cannot see their own blemishes and ascribe their faults to the other. No wonder I feel like I’m speaking to a wall. So instead of talking, I wrote—and pleasant to the one who will hear.

A Theological Note to Conclude

To cap things off, I’ll end with a small point that occurred to me following the disaster, joining the two parts of this column. In Jewish thought it is customary to say that we must engage in soul-searching and learn from everything that happens to us. Personally—as most of you know—I do not think so. Soul-searching—certainly, that’s always good. But understanding reasons for what happens and drawing conclusions—absolutely not. In my view, what happens is (at least usually) the nature of the world, not the handiwork of the Holy One. But for one who thinks that events that occur do come to teach us something, I ask him: what, in your opinion, are we to learn from this event? (Besides strengthening in modesty and sleeve length for women, Torah study, and the prohibition of lashon hara, of course.) If I believed events come to teach us, it would be very hard for me to escape the conclusion that perhaps our intent is acceptable (and perhaps not), but our actions certainly are not. That the cult of graves in Meron is a trance revelry not pleasing before Him.

As you may recall, Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz (rabbi of Ra’anana and former Shas minister) explained to us in toto-d that the “Bnei HaBanim” disaster—the deaths of dozens of schoolchildren from Petah Tikva in a collision with a train—happened because of Shabbat desecration in Petah Tikva (the “Heichal” cinema). And I only wonder: will there be one honest person among the many (almost all) who disagree with me—perhaps Rabbi Peretz himself?!—who would be willing to reconsider his attitude toward the Rashbi carnival in light of what happened? Is this not the hand of God which burst forth a fierce, painful breach among the revelers of idolatry in Meron? This would appear to be a Mount Carmel moment in our day—by their own logic. If one cannot learn this obvious lesson from the disaster that occurred here, then truly events teach us nothing.

For my part, I repeat that from every event that occurs, each person learns what he thought beforehand (as always happens in studying aggadah, Tanakh, and ethics)—that is, he learns nothing from it. From this I also conclude that there is nothing for us to learn from events (on the theological plane), and that the Holy One probably is not trying to teach us anything (otherwise He has failed miserably as a pedagogue—which does not befit an omnipotent being; see my second book in the trilogy). But here I throw down a gauntlet to adherents of the opposite approach. If none of you can be found, that itself will be an admission by the litigants and evidence for my basic position on learning from events. As I said, I think this about the Meron celebration regardless of the disaster, and I also do not think disasters come to teach us anything. But here I argue that anyone who disputes me on both points is presenting a self-contradictory doctrine.

That’s it. I’m done. You may begin to revile and curse me…


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  1. Finally, something sensible, which is understandable
    Many years ago, I argued regarding the Rabin assassination that the only thing that can be learned from it is that the Prime Minister's security arrangements should be reexamined, and when I argued this to leftists, they fumed with rage.
    In the same way, it seems that regarding the Meron disaster, the only thing that can be learned from the event is a reexamination of the safety arrangements at the scene.
    There is no reason to cancel, festivals are a great thing, and football games on Saturday do not allow religious people to attend…

    1. Specifically, you are not right about Rabin's assassination. This is an act that is the result of people's choices. There are certainly moral and other lessons that can be drawn from this (not from the fact that he died but from the fact that he was murdered).

    2. Yes, and the commanders of the strongholds are guilty of the Yom Kippur blunder! Ohana is using Shin Bet methods on the top of the police. Soon Ben Gvir will file a lawsuit with the High Court to prevent Ohana from destroying the police before Ben Gvir himself destroys the police and the army. So they argued about a tape that showed a checkpoint half an hour before the disaster, and in the end they said there was no checkpoint. In this case half an hour? The problem is the traffic jam and lawlessness, and would trying to block help? And in the case of the formation of the government, were Ohana's news leaked to that reporter?

  2. Thank you very much, interesting and important post.

    And despite this, in my opinion, the comparison between the posts is unjustified.

    Liat, even though she belongs to the other secular group, and is critical of Harediism and its method of thinking, she felt the sorrow, the sadness, here, she came to comfort. Why? Would she have traveled to the Chinese? Of course not!

    So what is the difference between Liat's method between the Chinese and the Haredi? Just a vague emotion? Only manners? Possibly, but possibly not. It is possible that Liat belongs to the group of people called ‘Jews’. True, there are subgroups within the supergroup of ’Jews’. There are secularists and there are Haredi, indeed, but it is likely that a connection of moral values and also emotional ones will stand out more towards her own group. But Liat also understands that part of her identity consists of the Jewish people. In the end, this is our family.

    Are there no quarrels within the family? Of course there are. Does every quarrel cause a disconnection? Of course not. That is, at the end of the question, what stands in relation to what, and there is no doubt that death is an extreme-shocking event. Doesn't it move a person?! How is this possible?

    The only answer is that the Haredim did indeed leave that person's family (London, for example), and now the only question is: is this judgment justified?

    So you claim that it is. And here is the gist of it:

    “These things come after years and generations of the Haredim adhering to an ideology of alienation and separation from everything around them, to a lack of contribution and narrow-minded and sectoral behavior, to great exploitation without a drop of gratitude of everyone around them (the health, security, legal, police, education, counseling and educational psychological treatment, academic systems, and so on and so forth), to blaming others and their opinions for every disaster and to their lack of readiness for true self-examination, to mental primitiveness and despondency, to the crazy and monopolistic imposition of their norms on the entire public that does not believe in them, does not recognize them and does not want them, some of which are not even anchored in Halacha, but who cares?! (Shabbat, kosher, marriage, the way things are done at the Western Wall, the content of state ceremonies, and more), about irresponsible behavior that hurts us all, both economically and in terms of security, and in the last year, also in terms of health.

    But does this stand the test of reality? It is necessary to distinguish between leaders, between the positions of publicists, politicians and media people and the majority (!) of the Haredi public. Well, it is really difficult to say about him that he does not contribute. You randomly choose a family in Bnei Brak, and see how much they contribute, to accuse them of self-interest? It is difficult for me to understand where these things come from? The audience will see and judge. Exploitation? No gratitude? I now bring to mind Haredi friends who disagree with me and think ideologically differently and have no memory of any of these things! Delusional. And finally, about the Corona, well, what will I do, most of whom definitely follow the guidelines.

    Bottom line: In my opinion, the main failure is in the impression of the Haredi public of the statements, of the engagement, and not the inner life of the Haredi public, and then we see that it is really not depicted as you describe, very far from it. Really. These things remind me of your opinion that one should not judge people in the form of inaccurate texts, but rather live them – and then understand.

    So well, you do not live the Haredi cyber, in my opinion I know more. And in my opinion, your judgment is unjustified. It does not justify the gap that London is talking about. No, it is not Chinese. And Liat understood that well.

    Sorry for the long post.

    And again, thank you for the post, for the website. I appreciate and respect you very much.

    1. I guess she would also go to the Chinese, if they lived here. That's why I brought up the example of Palestinians.
      And in your words, you are arguing about facts and not values. That we are all Jews is true, but London doesn't feel that it gives priority to the Haredim over the Chinese. What is the argument against him? That's what he feels.
      And as for Liat, read carefully and you will see that you are completely wrong. But my words have been explained.

      1. She wrote a post referring to Turch, confirming that she would indeed criticize Palestinians to the same extent.

  3. And one more word to conclude, you wrote:

    “You know what, why talk theoretically?! Ask yourself what the Haredim do in the face of disasters that happen at a music festival or a football game? Will you find empathy there as they expect from others here? Would no one there blame it on the crimes of secularism?”

    And I agree with the test. But in my opinion you are very wrong.

    Here is a situation: a football stadium. Fifty people died. Wouldn't a standard Haredi feel sorrow? Do you see a post by a Haredi who would say another ‘fifty Chinese people went’? Definitely not! True, there will not be sorrow like when a Haredi goes, but there will never be such a great sense of alienation (London).

    To this it should be added:

    There is a difference between spiritual activity (even if wrong in my opinion and in yours) in which people are united and supertive activity that neutralizes value. The sadness in a religious act – which has the connotation of the sacrifice of a sacred moment, and in which people die – evokes more identification. And there are other differences.

    And yet ” Yes! They would feel sorrow.

  4. Your words are true. And it only hurts that the innocent are innocent. They were hurt and their lives were lost because of this. (Among them is my dear cousin, the lovely student Ariel Achdut, the late)

    And I bring the words of Rabbi Chaim David Halevi on the question “Are there coincidences (coincidences) in the life of an individual?”
    Of course there are! And the explicit verse is “For you shall build a new house and make a parapet for your roof, and you shall not shed blood in your house, for the fall will fall from it.” And the plain meaning of the Bible: "If the one who falls falls, you will not be the one who caused it, as there was bloodshed in your house." Hence, taking precautions prevents disaster. And if a disaster occurs without precautions, it is the fault of the person who caused this disaster to himself and others, and there is no necessary "divine decree." When we know the cause of the disaster that befell humans, we do not need to look for decrees and punishments. And it is very possible that chance and lack of caution in the matter caused the aforementioned barrier. (Response to you, Rabbi Chaim David Halevi, 7th century)

    These words of Rabbi Chaim David Halevi, may God bless him, are a reminder to the fools, the businessmen, and the ultra-Orthodox politicians who knew about the many deficiencies in the Meron complex and remained silent and disdained because of petty politics and interests. And at the height of their audacity, they dare to say that this is a "divine decree." (You can't get more harsh and slanderous than that.)

  5. Even when I read Yaron London's post, I didn't feel anything unusual. The media wants us to express empathy for everything that's happening in the world. It's impossible to open a computer without AdWords, about a child with cancer, about charities asking for money for bereaved families, about the blessings and infinite virtues of various rabbis. The human emotional system is incapable of the pornography that the media presents. The world of admiration prevails over the world of reason. Dancing with Rashbi's teachings drives a million people, but studying Rashbi's teachings does not require a production police and government approvals and gimmicks. I am constantly surprised to see that slowly, year after year, mass rituals are replacing the Beit Midrash in favor of contentless popular worship and the self-gratification of the lives of my children.

  6. On the 23rd of April, 2019

    Yiron London is right! He who does not feel sorrow for the suffering of others is not a human being, and therefore there is no place to demand that he identify with the suffering of human beings. Indeed, these are different species. Chimpanzees will take care of their own kind and homosapiens their brothers, and one should not mix sex with another.

    Best regards, Adam Neander-Tal

    1. I mean, you felt deep sorrow when you heard that dozens of Indians died today from Corona, right?
      What's the point of this stupidity?
      Everyone, according to their social circles,
      It's ridiculous to expect others to feel close to you,
      Of course, when the expectation is just that you're so unlucky that no one wants to get close to you
      The secularists are mistaken in thinking that there is a connection between them and the ultra-Orthodox
      They are arrogant and stupid

    2. On the 3rd of Omer, 5th of September, 2017, a person is not built on intellect alone. A person is composed of intellect and emotion, and both levels must be cultivated simultaneously. An emotional world that does not find its proper development in the direction of positive emotions – finds itself abandoned to the rampage of negative emotions, alienation, hatred, and anger.

      This is the importance of pilgrimage, of which the pilgrimage to Meron is a direct reflection. When they ascend to Zion (in their dream, and to Meron in the sense of ‘I have set up for you Zions’ 🙂 ‘With the sound of Rina and thanksgiving, a crowd celebrates’, and at the head go and dance ‘Chassidim and men of action’ – The heart is filled with sacred feelings, and from there we take the ‘Holy Spirit, a generous spirit’ into the gray routine of everyday life.

      Of course, the pilgrimage should be a return and a rest, as the psalmist says: ‘For I will go alone to the house of God’, with my heel on the side of my thumb, and as it was when the ark was brought up to Jerusalem, when David was very eager and sprightly – the joyful procession stopped every six steps to sacrifice an ox and a ram, and they took care in an orderly manner to distribute to each of the participants ‘Ashesha and a loaf of bread’

      The pilgrimages to Meron on Lag BaOmer and to the Western Wall in the three stages – We are accustomed to the days to come when, as Isaiah prophesied: “And it shall be, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before me,” says the Lord, and as Zechariah prophesied, “A hand shall be upon all the nations that go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem.” And, as we are able to successfully pass the “general return,” thus we will come closer to realizing the desire of our souls and the vision of our prophets.

      The foundation of the success of a mass gathering to become an unforgettable experience is order and organization, the advance preparation of the organizers with the security and rescue forces. Preparation that will give each group and group the space and time they deserve to rejoice in a way that suits them. Preparation will allow for the proper flow of the celebrating crowd, while planning in advance where they enter and where they exit.

      It is hoped that the trauma of the disaster will lead to a rethink and careful and detailed planning of how all the organizations and coordination are carried out, so that the mass celebration will remain an experience for all its participants and then even a cold-tempered Londoner in the song Yaron 🙂

      With best wishes, Yaron Fishel Ordner

      1. והצעה מעשית: קצין משטרה קבוע שינהל את ההילולא says:

        And a little ‘for the sake of’ –

        What happened could probably have been avoided. The fact is that for many years now, hundreds of thousands have been coming to Miron and the event is burned into their consciousness as an experience.

        The great advantage of an event that repeats every year is that you can get to know its dynamics well and prepare accordingly. Anyone who knows – knows that at this time and this is when the ’Rabbi Ehrlach’ lighting takes place, to which many flock. This influx is not a sudden event – you can prepare for it in advance and create an appropriate exit.

        A regular event that repeats every year – deserves to have a permanent commander who will not change every few years, but will specialize in it and only in it, out of knowledge of the conditions and the people involved. Perhaps Nitzav Shimon Lavie would be suitable, as his name indicates that he is the great-grandson of Rabbi Shimon Lavie, the author of the piyyut ‘Bar Yochai’, and the ‘Nimeshach Asherich Shemen Sasson Meherich’ has already taken place at Nitzav Lavie:)

        In any case, it is desirable that the event commander be permanent and not change, and thus the chances of its success will increase

        With blessings, Yafa”r

        1. On the 1st of Tel Ba'Omer, the possibility of ascending to Meron at other times of the year can also help to ease the load on Meron, as mentioned in ancient sources, which were summarized in the articles of Prof. Meir Benyahu, "The Conduct of the Safed Pilgrims in Meron (Sefer Safed = Sefonot 6) and "The Ascent to Meron" (In Zeev Vilnai 9.

          A student of the Ramban who visited the country in the early 14th century says: ‘There all Israel and the Yishmaelites gather on Pesach Sheni and recite psalms there’.

          A visitor from Candia (=Crete) who visited the country in the year 1473: ‘The Hebrews will come three feet to see the burial of the important righteous men mentioned, and especially the burial of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, and they will beg with prayers of forgiveness and supplications to God, blessed be He, to give them water…’.

          The Safed kabbalists came to Meron at various times to meditate on the Zohar. They would also come for the ‘Mishmar’ prayer on the eve of Rosh Chodesh’. The Ari, who in his time had already become accustomed to arriving in Meron on Lag BaOmer, arrived in Meron with his family and stayed there for three days.

          In short: the pilgrimage to Meron is beautiful, even if it is not in a time of need 🙂

          With blessings, it will be beautiful

          1. On the 1st of Tel BaOmer, 2019,

            With the terrible pain of the many precious souls who perished in the disaster, their descriptions present a wonderful list of people full of love of Torah and love of humanity, fear of God with joy of life, immigrants from all denominations and all walks of life, Ashkenazim with Sephardim, Haredim with members of religious Zionism, who joined together in the joy of Torah, ‘for it is our strength and light’.

            May their noble lives be a lamp to our feet, and from them we will learn to align our ways with fear, love, joy and brotherhood!, as King David said: ‘If you are from the Lord, your neighbors will call God what their heads are’ (Psalms Klett)

            With tears and hope, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel’

            1. By L.H. BaOmer P.B.

              The shoddy management of this year's celebration, in which they drastically limited the number of participants, but turned the event into a nightmare for participants who had to wait for hours in parking lots without water, food, lighting, and toilets, proves that neither the police nor Brigadier General (res.) Tesler, who may be experts in security, understand how to organize large-scale events that will provide reasonable conditions for participants.

              Why can they organize hundreds of thousands in a demonstration at Rabin Square, or tens of thousands of participants from all over the world in the Jerusalem Marathon, or to distinguish them from Pride parades? 🙂 The police know, more or less, how to provide security, but they are no substitute for an event organizer whose primary concern is the comfort and well-being of the participants.

              For the event, what they did during the Corona period in Bnei Brak and other Haredi cities, where the municipality invited a major or a brigadier general (res.) as a project manager on its behalf, which led to coordination between the residents and the authorities, coordination that benefited everyone, should come together.

              Here too, it would be appropriate for the mayors of the municipalities whose residents are the lion's share of the participants in the Meron festival to come together: Jerusalem, Bnei Brak, Betar, Modi'in-Ilit, Ashdod and Elad, Safed and Tiberias, etc., and establish an "event management" Which will be headed, for example, by the person responsible in Jerusalem for organizing the many mass events taking place in the capital – and this ’administration’ will make all the coordination so that the event will be both safe and happy.

              Best regards, Simcha Fish”l Halevi Plankton

              1. מנהג התימנים: 'חלאקה' בקבר רחל בערב או באסרו חג השבועות says:

                The Jerusalem custom has been since ancient times to perform the ’halaka’ on Lag BaOmer at the tomb of Shimon the righteous. This year, the Jerusalem Municipality organized a large Lag BaOmer event near the tomb of Shimon the righteous. The regional council ‘Mata Binyamin’ organized a large and successful Lag BaOmer event at the site of ‘Ancient Shila’. The parents and their children climbed to the top of the hill and there Rabbi Yehoshua Shapira cut the first curl for the three children, to observe ‘Tsadik Gozer…’ 🙂

                The Yemenite custom was to give children their first haircut at Rachel's Tomb on the eve or the eve of Shavuot. The custom is described in the book ‘Futach Shearim’ by Rabbi Shlomo Eliyahu Freiman (father of Rabbi Ben-Zion Freiman), who was the sheikh of the ‘Hurva’ synagogue and Rachel's Tomb during the Mandate period.

                With best wishes, Shpil

        2. Indeed, and this is what those who know the place and know it claim. There was an independent Kambetz on the mountain, who knew the place well, and knew how to direct rescue forces whenever necessary. In such cases, he knew how to take command and direct the crowd and rescue forces. This Kambetz passed away this year, and his assistants claim and repeat that he prevented such incidents over the years. And his absence is felt.
          I did not know him, but it is possible that a person with resourcefulness and familiarity with details does the job better than a thousand policemen.

          By the way, this is Rabbi Kuperstock.

  7. I only saw a small part of Yaron London's words, and yet it was completely clear to me that the angry reactions towards him were precisely the tears of a stolen Kozak.
    To be honest, I find it hard to believe that in the general public who are not Haredi/Shas, there are those who feel differently from Meron London. Except, of course, for a negligible percentage.
    That negligible percentage, in my estimation, is the percentage who have difficulty thinking, evaluating and analyzing things for themselves.
    Unfortunately, it seems that this percentage is growing year by year even if no disaster occurred that year.

  8. “I repeat that from every event that happens, everyone learns what they thought before (as always happens in studying legend, the Bible and morality), in other words, they learn nothing from it.”

    I must say that I do not understand the meaning of this attitude towards studying the Bible in general (I myself moderated a lot politically after I began studying the Bible and realized that the attitude towards non-Jews in Israeli society is very different from the traditional halakhic attitude, not to mention other issues in which the interpretation of the written Torah differs from the view of the sages), and in particular why are you convinced that the study of academic issues is clean and pure from these trends. There is an article by Nadav Nev in which he lashes out at the laity who distort the halakhic law from the simple in order to reach conclusions that align with their moral concepts, and indeed he must admit that his demand for the integrity of theoretical logic and adherence to the simplicity of things is a supreme value Foreign to Hazalian thinking.

    1. This is a different discussion and has already been discussed at length in columns dealing with Bible study and Hasidism.

  9. An interesting response to Michi's words,

    Please read Michi's words critically, and you too will find a lot of nonsense and nonsense.
    Anyone who wants to respond to what I write, please respond in a matter-of-fact manner (and preferably seriously) and not tease with things like “Ehud
    You are stupid and dumb”.

    Below is the response to some of Michi's words (there is a lot more nonsense, I simply don't have the energy):

    “Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and using your head”

    Who determined that a religious emotional experience is not more important than using your head?
    On the contrary, we see in the Holy Torah the significance of the matter of emotion:
    “Under which you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and with a willing heart above all else.”
    Our concern in this world is work and adherence to it’.
    Those who adhere to it’ through religious experience – are excellent.
    Those who adhere to it through chatter and familiarity – are excellent
    Of course, one must make sure that when one gets excited or agitated, one is really doing things with devotion (for the sake of it).
    Besides, this claim is so stupid because it is clear that the Haredim (Hasidim and Lithuanians) study so much Torah,
    so to say about them “instead of studying deep subjects . . .” is simply stupid. Syrian Miki.

    “To break challah with devotion . . . and then not to acknowledge that it did not help in any way”

    We do not see where it did have an effect.
    Miki attacks a straw man (religious of course) who claims that anyone who breaks challah means a very specific medicine. “This is how the average religious person's brain works”, Miki implies.
    This is absolutely not the case. Most religious people break challah (or fulfill any other mitzvah) in order to bring divine abundance into the world.
    To think that God is an ATM Most religious people finished their faith classes at about 15.
    But Miki of course still paints them as such.
    So it's true that we can't say exactly where and how it affects, but that Miki paints the religious as ”ATM people”, when it is known that most of them are not that smart, just shows what kind of a scoundrel we are dealing with.

    “It starts with a few Rebbes who are looking for a place to establish themselves in . . . This publicity, which is all about economic interests and power and honor . . . ”
    Miki has no serious evidence that this is how things are. He presents them in a distorted and evil way.
    Maybe they are indeed doing it for heaven's sake?
    Where does this evil judgment come from?
    What is it based on?
    I remind all of us that there was also a lot of splendor and honor in the Temple, so who necessarily determined that what was done in Meron was not with the same logic?

    “For years and generations, the Haredim have adhered to an ideology of alienation and separation from everything around them . . .”

    Of course, he does not mention that almost all the donors (close to one hundred percent) to the organization of the late Rabbi Haber are Haredim or Haredim.
    And of course, he will not mention that, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics, the Haredim have the highest rate of volunteers.
    How does Miki deal with claims that clearly deny entire paragraphs that he writes?
    So it is true that the Haredim have a problematic issue with the state (a large part of it is the fault of the state and the secularists),
    but Miki (and London) are ugly turning this mouse into an elephant, in order to add fuel to the fire of hatred.

    “About the fiery speeches of “What is for us and them”. I myself was there and heard. It's not all of them of course, but this is the basic ethos”

    Again, if this is the “basic ethos”, how is it possible that there are so many Haredim volunteering in hospitals, Bezak”a, etc.?

    “Otherwise he has failed, a diligent pedagogical failure, which is not really appropriate for an omnipotent entity like him”

    Even if he fails, the failure is because of us. Because of our *free choice*.
    No matter how good the teacher is, if the students choose not to listen, even if it is the perfect teacher, then there will be a failure.
    What Michi presents is so absurd, it can be shown with a very simple example - there is no shortage of examples of brilliant teachers,
    both pedagogically and in terms of learning the material, whose class failed because they chose incorrectly.
    So what does this say about teachers?
    Friends, I repeat again, read Michi's words critically and see how much he is misleading everyone.

    1. *** A very correct, but personal, statement has been deleted. There is no place here for personal and offensive references, what's more, every reader can see this for themselves. There is no need for the reading public in this service (M”A)***

  10. Thank you very much for the post.

    They say that in the Zohar it is written that the one who goes to the grave communicates with the soul of the righteous and ascends.
    It is also written that the Cave of the Patriarchs is a place from which prayers ascend to Heaven. And Jeremiah the prophet and Caleb ben Jephunneh went to pray there.
    1) If someone prays that the righteous will save him, I understand why it is idolatry, but what is the problem if he prays that the righteous will pray for him or that ”by the merit of the righteous” [the truth is that I have no idea what that is] God will save him?
    2) I spoke to a friend and told him that there is no source for what they did on Lag BaOmer on Mount Meron, and he immediately used the card ”all according to the opinion of the Arizal” and the sages of Kabbalah who said that the Rashi distributes gifts to those who come, and those who did not deserve to come did not receive an invitation”. Of course, at that moment I couldn't stop smiling, but still, I've never dealt with Kabbalah, so I have my doubts. Maybe the Ari really wrote that?

    1. I said that there is no real עז there, but something that originates from idolatry (we will pursue spirituality). I emphasized this.

      1. 1. Hurting people's feelings is immoral.
        2. Not everything you feel needs to be told to everyone.
        3. It was possible to convey the message or as you called it, “putting a mirror in front of the Haredim” – gently without hurting. He would have saved himself an immoral act and his words would have been heard more.

      2. Surely the words of the Rambam in the Mora are well known. He says according to this that even all the generalities of the Temple and the many commandments associated with it, are not there literally, but something that originates as if from idolatry.
        (And the only distinction is that in the Temple these are commandments from the Torah, and here the Balak BaOmer is a later custom).

  11. Thank you very much for your kind words.
    The streets of Bnei Brak are now full of ads and paskhvilim titled “What does your God ask of you”, which is a stupid rant about the number of deaths, and under this title it really says what does the Lord ask: The City Treasury knows that it is charity (it already published such an advertisement on Friday (!), Rabbi Kanievsky knows that it is prayer and modesty, the Rebbe of Gur knows that it is distancing himself from the harms of technology.
    I am now going to sell your innovation in Bnei Brak: distancing himself from the annual carnival in Meron and from idolatry (or should I say: the work of the righteous) in general.

  12. A.
    I'm sure I'm not the only one, but what bothered me most about London's words was the timing and form. You may be right about his "naked" claim (or expression of emotion), but there is a way to do such a thing.
    When someone is suffering or in pain due to the death of their father, they tell them, "I share your sorrow." This is even though it doesn't really bother you that their father died in a good way and you're even comfortable that now there is an obligation and you won't have to avoid having a cantor.
    You shouldn't treat it with disdain, there is a way to communicate, and a person who is a well-known journalist should not express such feelings on a public platform and just days after the disaster.

    B.
    You're right about the fact that the Haredim are the ones who actually wanted and caused the alienation, and their anger is hypocritical. But a similar argument can be made about London himself.
    Would London have written something like this if a disaster had happened in the Shu'afat refugee camp? I have no information on the subject, but I assume not.
    I argue that the left perceives the world as an international arena of the poor, and towards those who are weaker, you have a greater obligation towards them. The Haredim are the group that deserves the most mercy from London and his friends, they are trapped in traps of ignorance and poverty and are ”unaware of their plight” (Don't argue with me about this perception, in my opinion it's all empty talk). He walks on eggshells when it comes to Arab and Palestinian society, but doesn't bother to show fake compassion towards the Haredim.
    That is, the way he took in this matter may be the more appropriate, but I can't help but wonder whether he would have taken such insensitivity towards another society.
    I am simply skeptical because I don't know enough about London's actions, and therefore I cannot say unequivocally that there is a double standard and hypocrisy here, and that he would have acted differently towards another sector in Israel.

    C.
    There is a very interesting correspondence between those who are certain that such events happen to “teach us a lesson” and people who see the orgies of holiness at R’ Shimon as something appropriate in the religious sense.
    Therefore, it is hard for me to believe that you will find someone who, on the one hand, criticizes the revelry at Meron and, on the other hand, looks for clues.
    There is an implicit assumption here that events always teach you that what you thought was bad is indeed so. It reminds me that immediately after the disaster, people were looking for culprits and somehow everyone blamed those they hated anyway. The right decided it was Getz, the left decided it was Bibi and everyone agreed that the dedications should be eliminated…

    1. These things were explained in my column, and I don't understand what I should add. London, like me, has an interest in holding up a mirror to the Haredi public and making it clear to them where he stands with the public around him. He does this in a forum that Haredim usually don't read, and whoever chooses to be offended is their own problem, but it is what it is. Betad Ne'eman will not publish his words.
      In the letter C, you repeated my argument. And you didn't state that there is an internal contradiction here.

  13. “Beyond that, Yaron London expressed an emotion and not a moral and ethical position”.
    Yes and no. Because emotion is a derivative of a position.
    In this case, a position that does not recognize the existence (or importance) of a Jewish people, regardless of the enormous cultural differences (‘there is no difference between them and the Rwandans’). Such a position creates a feeling of alienation, while an opposite position creates feelings of solidarity.
    And a position can be criticized (and alternatively, it can also be sided with, but this is not a purely emotional-psychological question).

    1. Not true. Even if a Jewish people exists (and I think London completely agrees that it does, and even sees himself as part of it), the question is whether this requires a certain state of mind toward its members. London apparently believes that it does not.

      1. You wrote: “The question is whether it *requires* a certain state of mind towards its members. London apparently *believes* it does not”
        And indeed, it is a question of opinion and understanding, what the attitude towards your people should be. Is this a careless population cut or are these supposed to be brotherly relations (not like real brothers of course, but not like a stranger).
        And the feeling is mostly influenced by the position (not only of course, but also).
        And this is also the reason why people came out against him, because they concluded that he does not recognize the existence of the people or the importance of the relations derived from this connection.

        1. Again, not true. This is not a question of opinion or patience, but a question of fact. What is your mental state? The claim that you have to have mental state X is ridiculous. And the criticism that your state is different is no less ridiculous.

  14. First of all, congratulations on the comprehensive coverage. As always, I read with pleasure. Although, unlike your usual practice, you have not innovated anything in this column, your opinion on the immigration to Rashbi is well-known, your criticism of the Haredi public is also well-known. And you deserve a big thank you for the courage to stand up to the wave of nonsense that is washing over us.
    But for some reason you continue to deny the anti-Semitic nature of Yaron London's post, why do you ignore an entire paragraph in the post?
    “The lack of distinctive signs among the individuals in the picture of the masses contributed to the alleviation of the feeling of immediate danger. They resembled each other as the buffaloes that fall into the jaws of the crocodiles that infest the Mara River during the great migration season on the Serengeti Plain resemble each other. The herd in its multitudes rushes to the river, shoulder to shoulder. The buffaloes slide down the bank like a waterfall and cross the brown strip of water where crocodiles lurk, and the viewer does not distinguish between buffalo and buffalo, and therefore does not become attached to a particular buffalo, unless the photographer chooses to focus on a struggling calf whose fate is certain. If, say, one of the people in Meron were wearing a red shirt, or a wide-brimmed cowboy hat, or were tall, or had a pirate's patch over one of his eyes, my soul would cling to him in some way, but I felt no closeness to the indistinguishable silhouettes, thousands of identical silhouettes moving at a uniform pace on the television screen. What do I care if a few dozen of them fall like identical cardboard figures at a shooting range?

    London describes and compares the ultra-Orthodox to a herd of buffalo!

    Isn't Mr. London's alleviation of the sense of danger by comparing ultra-Orthodox Jews to a herd of bulls, each weighing half a ton, anti-Semitism?

    I suggest a way to diagnose whether the image is anti-Semitic.. Delete the part about the buffaloes, and read the post again.. Suddenly it seems like just a post by a rude and impersonal person who enjoys saying “I told you so” on an inappropriate day. What makes the post “something” is the description of a herd of buffalo falling into crocodile traps.

    The comparison to Liat Winder's post is absurd. She is indeed (rightly) condescending to the Haredim. She feels alienated (understandably)

    But they do not for a moment lose their human image in her eyes even if she herself believes that there is no one to decide and no purpose.

    With the blessing of “The protest of ’ Tears over every face”

    1. Well, and in your opinion, they are not like the buffalo. That's the feeling that came to me too. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It's a factual description of them. You remind me of the Haredi MKs, in whose eyes anyone who doesn't include them in the coalition or doesn't pay them a fee is an anti-Semite who disqualifies them just because they are Haredi. There are factual criticisms that are not related to anti-Semitism. There are those who don't want them in the coalition because they don't agree with them and don't want to fund them. There are those who criticize the herd that dresses and behaves the same, not because of anti-Semitism but because it dresses and behaves the same. That's also an option.

      1. Come on . .

        I'll sum it up like this: Up until this response you were talking about London nonsense that only a Dr. could say. Now you've become just a mute

        1. My claim against London about the image of calves reminds you of ultra-Orthodox scholars shouting anti-Semitism from the podium about budgets. Who do you work for?
          This time, ‘We see you’

      2. Miki
        I'm interested to know where you draw the boundaries of rational discourse. What bothered me most about London (and you) was the principle of denigrating a person as a person when they are reduced to an animal. In contrast to the legitimate "denigration" of ideology or even practice. It simply doesn't make sense (and is morally flawed by the way). I say this as a secularist who identifies with most of London's words.
        Suppose if he had written that what was going through his mind while they were suffocating was that he was passing over them with a Zyklon B container. And adding to the celebration.
        After all, if that were the case, it would be his factual report regarding the content of his thoughts. Would you support his self-testimony in this case?

        1. He didn't liken any person to an animal. That's just a rant. He likened the appearance of the ultra-Orthodox to a herd of buffalo. That's talking about how they behave, and not saying that any of them are animals. That's just nonsense.
          I had no problem in principle if it was an expression of thoughts that crossed his mind and not an endorsement of such an act. Indeed, it's true. Although this expression is offensive, if the background is that these are people who are selling a shilling on me in order to hurt me, then there is definitely room for expressing it out loud.

  15. When Miki writes a philosophical column, he seems like a philosopher. He may really be a philosopher, I'm not knowledgeable enough about philosophy to decide.

    When Miki writes a Torah column, he seems like a scoundrel. He may really be a scoundrel, in my many sins I have been too small to judge.

    But – when Miki writes a publicistic/political column (like this column and the one before it) he appears in his natural dimensions: a useful fool, brainwashed (flooded with a yellow liquid that has lost its way) and hateful. True, he is in good company. We have already heard of (real) geniuses in their field who were useful fools in the service of the Soviet devil thanks to their ignorance of the realities of the world and their arrogance whose genius in their field testifies to them in every other field (e.g. Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw and others). So the phenomenon is not unusual.

    What is indeed unusual is the intensity of the auto-anti-Semitic hatred wrapped in hollow slogans (some of my best friends…). Only an auto-anti-Semite like Weininger could defend Y”L's sick outpouring of hatred on the grounds that ”after all”he expressed his feelings authentically.

    In order not to degenerate into a reductio ad Hitlerum, I will refrain from referring to a few paragraphs in the classic Mein Kampf (although this is absolutely necessary), and instead I will turn to a lesser-known classic, Die Juden in Musik (“The Jews in Music”) by Richard Wagner (Hitler's inspiration model, according to his own testimony). In the first chapter, Wagner expresses “authentically” The feelings of disgust and loathing that he feels every time he meets a ”Jewish essence” and even bothers to explain why. (This did not prevent him from demanding in a defiant manner that the Jewish Herman Halevi should win his premiers. Hatred on one hand and livelihood on the other). Anyone who reads that chapter and returns to Y”r”s column and this one by Michi will have a hard time not noticing the sick common denominator. By the way, I would not be surprised if Michi also defends Wagner, who ”overall”expressed his feelings authentically.

    When a humanoid creature (Y”r Sh”y) publishes such a disgusting column during the days of mourning for the dead, it cannot be interpreted except as joy for the dead, even if he wishes in his goodness to express sorrow ”as for the deaths of Rwandans” (How sensitive of him). The comparison to Liat Winder's column is ridiculous and demagogic (and this has already been pointed out before). When Michi defends Y'all's hate column, he publicly exposes the ugly nakedness of his soul. This has nothing to do with crying, it is a criticism of Haredi society (I have plenty of that stuff too). It has to do with the image of God that has apparently been lost on both of them.

    1. For the sake of the discussion's effectiveness, I suggest that anyone who wants to lash out, both at the Haredim and those who lash out at the Haredim, both at the infidels and the innocent and at Mikhi and Maos and anyone else - first of all, properly disclose their sociological affiliation (original and current). This will usually save most of the rest and certainly the Schmaltz pathos. For example, R’ Mordechai, who here is almost certainly a well-educated Haredi, and the rest is self-evident.

    2. Mordechai, welcome. Long time no see. I would be happy in the future if you would also base your comments on arguments and not just on classifications. You have occasionally done so in the past, but there are cases in which you are careful not to do so (while making minor passive-aggressive cries, so to speak).

      1. Arguments? Were there “arguments” in your last two columns? Absolutely not. They were inferior rhetorical tricks seasoned with a lot of arrogance, arrogance and contempt for those who do not kneel and bow to the majesty of your rationality, down to earth. See for example what you wrote in your last response above: “He did not liken any person to an animal. That is just ranting. He likened the appearance of the ultra-Orthodox to a herd of buffalo. That is talking about how they behave, and not saying that any of them are animals. That is simply nonsense”.

        With ”reasons” such is exactly how Wagner explains the feelings of disgust that arise in him when he encounters ”Jewish essence” (Until the ”Jewish essence” is needed to sell his works as stated above), and if it is still permissible to refer to ”Mein Kampf”, its author often describes there the appearance of the Jews he saw in Vienna (he never spoke to any of them) and laments the bitter fate of the south of the city “which gradually became contaminated” by the majority of the Jews who settled there, etc., etc. So these two great men of the world did not liken the Jews to animals (only Goebbels in his infamous films). They “only” likened the appearance of a herd of Jews, etc., etc. So you are asking for “arguments” when you yourself are nothing more than Wagner with a beard? (Actually, he was bearded too…).

        And since I've already bothered to answer (actually – Why?…) I'll add something else.

        The first book of yours that I read was “God Plays Dice”, and although I had some doubts while reading it (later I found that I was aiming to know some of your critics, who also raised points that I hadn't thought of), I enjoyed reading it and got a taste for more. I added and read a few more of your books until I reached the trilogy, where I sobered up and realized that you were deceiving me with deceit and deceit. In these books, and especially in the third (which I think is more terrible and terrible than the second, which received the most public criticism for some reason), you clearly contradict quite a bit of what you wrote in your previous books, but you don't bother to mention it and certainly don't explain what made you change your mind (or alternatively, why there is no contradiction here). How did the pure logic in "Man as a Haystack," for example, in which you explained why polynormativity is not possible, turn into a dual commitment to Halacha and democracy, etc. (to the point where the commitment to democracy may sometimes even outweigh the commitment to Halacha)? I realized that you are not really a pure logician as you present yourself, but rather a rhetorical juggler who, like Kleibovich, exploits the relative weakness of his admirers (Gruppis Bela). It is not difficult to identify the trend and goal you are striving for, but I am confused.

        I stopped responding to this site because, unlike you, whose occupation with this site is probably a large part of your daily routine (and that is perfectly fine), I have other occupations and the clash with you robbed me of precious time that I would have otherwise lacked for those occupations. But I did not take upon myself a vow and oath to never respond, and I am glad that others have risen in my place who occasionally apply the teachings of the Rabbi Hutner and stick pins in the inflated balloon, you are the ruler. May they be blessed from heaven.

          1. Indeed, only a complete fool (or a complete evil person, or both) could make a vile and vicious comparison between Y”L's attitude to the Meron disaster and your attitude to the ”Nakba”, as you did in one of your comments below.

            In the Meron disaster, innocent civilians (some of them children) were killed as a result of the negligence of the organizers. The &#8221Nakba” came upon the Arabs of Israel as a result of the evil decision of the “Supreme Arab Committee” to call on them to leave the country in order to make it easier for the invading Arab armies to slaughter the Jewish men and capture the Jewish women. The Arabs who left Egypt hoped to return after the victory, to plunder the property of the Jews, to rape their wives and daughters and enslave them as sex slaves (a.k.a. Da'esh). What kind of a waa would it be for a Jew loyal to his people to identify with the Nakba? And if there was such a waa, does it also include identification with the pain of the German people over their defeat in the Second World War? And on the other hand, what kind of a waa would it be for a Jew not to be saddened by the death of his brothers, even if he is *very* angry with them (and even if at certain points the anger is justified)?

            From response to response you break the records of your own embarrassment. A good one is determined.

        1. Mordechai, could you at least hint at what you meant by the sentence, "Isn't it also difficult to identify the trend and goal that you are striving for?" Thank you.

          1. I don't have the strength or time for that. Read the third book in the trilogy and you won't have any trouble identifying it yourself. I don't understand why the second book (which is also terrible and awful) received the most criticism. The third book takes Miki out of the fence. (Here he will get angry and ”come down” on me, I don't care).

        2. I think the main justified criticism of you, Rabbi Michi, and Yaron London is not about the indifference but about the joy of the Id. This is the essential point. As others have written here, the problem was that he was a kind of dance on blood, which is really an act that should not be done. Even if the Haredim sin against him (and you), then he should have said (to himself) “neither the sin nor its punishment”. The real problem is that he does not understand that there is a shared destiny among Jews. This is not a matter of some cheap nationalist romanticism or vague feelings. This is not an emotion. This is reason. This is what Zionism is built on. Even if the Haredim do not understand this (and they do), the Zionists who founded the state did understand that no one in the world would help the Jews in their time of need except themselves. They grasped the issue of sharing the Jewish destiny (which is really something metaphysical – no matter how much the Jews try not to live as a people, the gentiles see them as a people and do not belong to them).

          This is exactly what the verse is about: “Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, lest the Lord see it and it be evil in His sight and turn His face away from him.” And I have heard (and perhaps I am imagining it) that some have interpreted it as turning His face away from him and setting it on you. Although you do not believe in providence, if I were you (and certainly in Yaron’s place), I would be a little more concerned for the fate of my family members in light of even the slightest concern (according to your opinion) that the Holy One, the Blessed One, is still intervening in the world. Otherwise, it is a kind of Pharaoh’s hardness of heart.

          And Job’s friends did not even rejoice over his misfortune, but only tried to tell him that he was to blame for his situation (out of concern for their orderly and clear perception of the world that would not be shaken). This is worse.

          1. Emmanuel

            You wrote things that are partly tasteful and other things that I may not agree with. But when I read your “travel warning” to London and Michi (due to the long hand of “providence”) I rolled with laughter. I guess this response also added me to the list of those who should be worried.
            Yes, if you yourself manage to stay off this list I would love to get tips from you on how to do it.

            1. According to my impression and memory from the site, you are secular and have no family (children), so it is clear that my words are not directed at you. Your words stem from frivolity and that is it.

              1. I didn't come to belittle you. It's just that if you were a man of faith (like Rabbi Michi) and/or had a family and children that you invested in and raised (like Yaron London) and were ever afraid for their fate, you wouldn't talk like that and that's it.

              2. First of all, I was deeply offended (although that is offset by the sudden sense of relief when I was removed from your list).
                Secondly, I am a believer in God (not in the Torah, God forbid) and you were also wrong about the second detail. Not that it is any of your business.

              3. I thought for 24 hours whether to respond again, but I am bound by the commandment of King Solomon. I have no interest in petty arguments. I am very glad to hear that you believe in God. That is a valuable thing (I hope it is a God who also punishes good and evil. Otherwise, the value is small). In any case, you are interfering in something about which you understand nothing. That is why I said that your ridicule was frivolous.

        3. Dear Mordechai,

          I completely agree with you. Anyone who critically reads these ”arguments” of Michi sees that these are complete nonsense. When someone clearly shows him where he is writing nonsense, then he simply has no words,
          and he presents the second scenario as if he is “biased” and “using emotion instead of brain”.

          Michi himself is severely biased against the ultra-Orthodox, against prayer and against God's involvement in the world.
          He commits a huge blasphemy in the world. And the main thing is that he writes how serious it is to “be biased”

          And to top it all off, he is a provocateur with a small personality, evil, and as I have been showing on the site recently, not a man of truth (although when it comes to lies there are worse than him).

          I'll end with what an online blogger (an atheist, actually) wrote about Mikhi:

          “He's a slob, a troublemaker, and full of himself, even when he says complete nonsense.”

          Lips are watering. A spectator's view. A perfect description of Mikhi.

          1. Ahand, maybe yes, maybe not, but what is certain is that you are just a pretentious and funny Kanye Katla. I was happy to update

          2. May our teacher Ehud teach us what is the goal that Smichy is striving for
            (I ask sincerely, do you think he is evil and a liar? What do you think is the goal he is striving for?)

            1. Response to U.M

              Look, in my humble opinion he wants us all to use our minds more (the one that is fine by itself).
              The thing is that he doesn't notice that he is simply talking nonsense.

              Pay attention, for example, to his following quote:
              “Instead of studying heavy theoretical subjects and exercising their minds, they prefer to ponder Hasidic eloquence that does not require anything and does not require effort”

              I don't understand how anyone can not criticize Miki for this argument.
              First, I am willing to bet that 99% of those present at Meron do study Gemara and theoretical issues, etc.’ and also use their minds, even if they do not do so with the intensity of Miki.

              Second, who said that it is a spiritual effort to try to delve into all kinds of “Hassidic eloquence” Isn't it better to embrace the intellect with some endless philosophizing or rant about the issue in the Gemara?
              Who? Miki said?

              The most important thing is adherence to it.
              If what leads a person to adherence to it is reading the "Imrei Shefer Hasidim" or an uplifting faith experience in Meron, then on to the Kifak (I'm assuming that the person is truly adhering to it and not to the Admor who lights the fire).

              Now that I think about it, it's possible that one of the things that drives Miki is jealousy.
              His books aren't really successful, to say the least (not through Steimatzky or otherwise).
              Except for the provocative posts, this blog is generally not interesting (except for a small group of regular readers).
              Another example: YouTube:
              It probably hurts Mikhi that Hasidic rabbis (and their ilk) manage to reach, for example, tens of thousands (and sometimes even more) of views for a YouTube video, while Mikhi himself barely reaches a few dozen views for a YouTube video (he is really very good at it, and the truth is, even in the little I listened to, I didn't find any great wisdom, to say the least). So Mikhi is perhaps jealous, and in response acts in an ugly way.

              In conclusion, and contrary to (or in depth of) my opening line, it's not that Mikhi is hurt that they don't use their intellect enough, but simply that there is a devil of jealousy behind/at the heart of everything.

              If you or anyone else wants to respond to what I wrote here, please do so in a matter-of-fact manner. Thank you!

              1. 1) According to your first suggestion, Michy is a moron and a fool, but not an evil person.
                2) You and Michy simply disagree on basic assumptions: You claim that the way to worship God is through such Hasidic devotion (or at least that it is primarily and purely intellectual reflection) and those Michy claim that intellectual reflection is the only way to worship God (except for the commandments, of course).
                3) A) Only the last few columns were about Platonism, a subject that doesn't really appeal to people.
                B) The lower instincts are supposed to push you towards higher goals, that's what moral books are for.
                4) I personally think that the concepts should have been refined a bit more in this column.
                5) A note unrelated to the column: Ehud, you always argue against Miki from his well-known and historically unhesitating statement (there is something about Miki that he is not willing to incorporate aphorisms when it comes to history, this is probably what causes the criticisms of the fifth notebook) that the pogroms were carried out on the Jews because of their *rightly* hatred and that he does not understand why they are not carried out today.
                This is truly a baseless statement: a) Pogroms are carried out because of hatred, not because a person is outdated
                b) Today we have a state, and a nation that does not like us shooting at innocent people
                And still Ehud, this is a mistake, which can be argued about or not, but it does not serve as evidence of Miki's infinite stupidity.

              2. Response to U.M

                1. I don't think I wrote about Miki that he is stupid or an idiot.
                He is a very smart man, a Ph.D. in physics, graduated with honors, etc.
                What I did write is that his arguments *on the issues where he is intellectually biased* are stupid, false, or simply unfounded.

                2. I claim that there are many ways to adhere to the ’ – gemilut hasadim, a military career for the people, rumination on the Gemara (mental study), Hasidic devotion, etc. – “ in all your ways, know it.”
                I disagree with Miki on his basic assumption – that the intellectual matter is of utmost importance (and by orders of magnitude), and that this is the most serious way to serve the ’.

                Again, the main thing is that he simply writes nonsense. For example:

                “Most religious people think that God is an ATM”

                “The people are stupid and vote for Bibi even though he is a funny person”

                “The ultra-Orthodox Jews in the 19th century behaved in an ugly way towards society, which is why pogroms were carried out against them”

                “Almost all of the Jewish people prayed (spoke to God) that Nachshon Waxman would return alive”

                Syrian, these are simply unfounded things (at best) or just lies. And of course there are many more examples.

                If you would like to continue the discussion, please do so in a new comment, because space is getting smaller.

                Shabbat Shalom, endless faith and joy!

              3. To Ehud,

                I don't like (to put it mildly) to get into psychological analyses of others. “evil” is a moral assessment, “envious” can be a moral or psychological assessment. In the latter case, I don't share it, since I'm not a psychologist and even if I were, I haven't examined the patient yet.

                And most importantly, regarding the goals that Mikhi is pursuing – they are much deeper and more sinister than what you wrote here. Read the third book in the trilogy and you'll understand that the man is a Trojan horse and a fifth recruit of the enemies of the Torah and Judaism. No less! Don't be impressed by his Torah columns and Lithuanian chatter, don't be impressed by the breadth of his education (apparently it cannot be denied that he is truly a wise and highly educated man), don't be impressed by his verbal virtuosity (although Leibowitz is for the poor, but still) and don't be impressed by his cynicism and sarcasm. It's all a smokescreen.

                Behind it all stands a dark and sinister goal that took me a while to figure out from his books and columns on this site as well, and it's not necessarily a lust for honor and power. Not that it can't be. On the contrary, on this site I subtly hinted to him that his pretension to be "clean" of biases, heuristics, and "sloth" is devoid of both philosophical and scientific basis (I do understand something about this, and I'm sorry). No one is "clean". The difference is between someone who is aware of this and is as careful as he can be, and someone who believes (like the judges of the High Court, for example) that his wisdom stands up to any bias and heuristic that affects only “plebeians.”

                But Michy’s goals that I alluded to are not related to these petty desires. Note that in the thousands of philosophical pages Michy has written in his life so far (at least the ones I have read), there is not a single bit of innovation or idea that was not preceded by those greater and better than him. His contribution to philosophy is one big zero! (Unlike making some deep issues accessible to laypeople, the value of which is limited given the low trust that his mediation deserves and deserves).

                So why did he bother so much? Because his goals are ideological – the destruction of Judaism and Halacha from within. If I had the time and energy, I would write a long, reasoned article detailing everything and removing the bearded mask from his face. But (a) I don't have time, (b) health restrictions, (c) I don't have a public position anyway and no one will read or take it seriously, so it's a waste of effort and time. That's why I'm so pleased that among the legions of Mikhi's groupies on this site there are also some who stick a pin or two in the inflated balloon (which sometimes bursts in a burst of insults).

              4. You would write a reasoned article but you don't have time. Reminds me of the stories about the rabbi who would write a book that would excuse all the sheikh's objections to the Tz, but was afraid of a hint of pride.

              5. On the 25th of Iyar 5775

                To the 25th of Iyar 5775

                To the 25th of Iyar 5775

                Rambam and Ramada are trying to lead a revolution, but in completely opposite and conflicting directions.

                Rambam tried to establish a unified Judaism. To formulate a unified halakha and to formulate binding principles of faith. The opposition to him was for the suppression of other methods, in halakha and thought, which had gained a place in various circles.

                In contrast, Ramada advocates autonomy as a supreme value. In no one is a ruler of the spirit Ramada demands the right of each person to determine their own theological view, without being bound by either the words of the sages or the words of the first and last.

                And in “Moves Between the Standings,” Ramada demands the supremacy of “halachic autonomy,” which frees one from being bound by the authority of the first and last, and in fact not even by the authority of the sages, by placing “morality” as the decisive factor.

                If Maimonides sought to create one Torah for all of Israel, Ramada leads to the fragmentation of Judaism into millions of teachings of “whatever the upright man in his own eyes thinks and does.” The difference is fundamental.

                Regards, Yaron Fishel Orner

              6. The combination of the two trends - the aspiration for the unity of the Torah together with the aspiration for the personal connection of each and every one - came through the path of Rabbi Kook.

                On the one hand, there is an aspiration for a Torah decision, to create the "statehood of the Torah in Israel", and on the other hand, this unity must be achieved, not by uniting forces.

                What Rabbi Kook did in thought is parallel to what Rabbi Yosef Karo did in Halacha. First of all, he brought the "Beita Yosef" to bear witness to the various methods, and then he decided according to the majority opinion.

                The B'I and the Shulchan Aruch were a kind of "Sanhedrin" Virtual, where all opinions coincide, and through listening and mutual understanding – ‘count and finish’, and this is how the Rabbi worked in his writings, to create a deep understanding of the logic of the different methods.

                When we learn and understand each other – we can reach many points of agreement, and even in what we disagree – we know how to cherish and appreciate each other.

                With the blessing of Shabbat Teva, may you be blessed

              7. Paragraph 2, line 2
                … To achieve this unity, not by the victory of one, but by the unification and integration of forces.

                Paragraph 3, line 3
                … And then the decision…

                Paragraph 4, line 2
                … Where all opinions are gathered…

              8. Many good things are common to Rav Mikhi and Maimonides. The canvas is short. In both, the sincere concern for the masses of the people who are lost and misled by the lack of study and lack of understanding, and the terrible fear of a subtle trickle of Judaism into idolatry on the one hand and disdain for Torah study and practical mitzvot on the other - touching. Try to see the good.
                And while you are arguing, an innocent child was murdered this week who went to study Torah in a yeshiva. The Lord.
                Shabbat Shalom

              9. To Mordechai,
                Can we know who you are? That is, a little beyond the general characteristics that do not indicate an individual.
                Assuming that you are indeed associated with the Haredi public, are there others like you (meaning a quantity that is beyond the minority), who have acquired an ‘external’ education (whether autodidactly or ‘formally’), and know how to state things accurately?
                I was favorably impressed by the content of your words.
                Do you know Rabbi Michael personally?
                Thank you.

              10. According to past self-references, Mordechai is a professor at Bar Ilan, I think in computer science (he certainly understands game theory).

              11. You went too far. Probably a lawyer of ultra-Orthodox origin with an education in the humanities and only a popular acquaintance with game theory (nothing more than that is needed for Migo matters)

              12. Anyone who knows Sen's impossibility theorem does not know game theory from popular literature.

              13. You are the second person to ask here, and I don't understand why. There is nothing relevant to the discussion or interesting. (Sometimes I bore myself so much that I fall asleep walking…). I don't define myself as Haredi, so what?

              14. For Mordechai,
                When we encounter other dimensions of intelligence (which, of course, is realized following the 'will'/determination of God), along with its realization in a way that is evident to the intellect (an active choice of the person), it certainly arouses curiosity concerning the subject and its derivatives.

              15. To all the guessers.
                To the best of my memory, I have never encountered an attempt at “outing” on this site. I wonder what motivates the ”hunt” to reveal my identity and why it is of interest to anyone here? If the intention is to keep me away from the site, we can say openly and directly that I am not welcome here and will stop. (I will not be offended).
                By the way, all the guesses – are wrong.

          3. *** A very correct, but personal, statement has been deleted. There is no place here for personal and offensive references, what’s more, every reader can see this for themselves. There is no need for the reading public in this service (MA)***

    3. Wow..you also mixed “philosophy” with emotions here, not unlike Wagner, okay, not Wagner, Schopenhauer? Heidegger? They still study Heidegger at Jerusalem University? Better, Mordechai, be a moral nihilist. It's also good that you didn't mention Leibowitz and his Judeo-Nazis..and to dip everything in the word “anti-Semitism“

    4. You are not an expert in philosophy.
      In sins – You are also not a scholar of Torah.
      But you speak of a scholar of Torah in derogatory language taken not from Israeli sources, but from the language of the
      secular press.
      And if instead of reading the secular press you had gone to the website “In the world of the Haredim” – you would have seen
      a defense of Yaron London. The blog owner brought a video of a well-known Haredi (in the circles of commentators, not in the circles of students) –
      in which he delivers his speeches and says about Memorial Day and Independence Day: “Your grief is not our grief, your joy is not our joy”
      And now Rabbi Mordechai – Is the owner of this blog (a Haredi rabbi) – also anti-Semitic?

  16. I agree with the gist of Ron's words. Although I wouldn't call it anti-Semitism, but simply contempt for the person (by comparing the Haredim to the Jews). And since contempt is a value position (accompanied by emotion), there is much more here than just a factual description of what goes on inside London's complex psyche.
    What's more, if the contempt were directed at ideology or even Haredi practice, that's fine, but here it seems to me that it is directed at the people themselves, including the unfortunate victims.
    And the timing is also not appropriate from a "value" perspective - he could have written the same thing another month, say, with the exact same opinion (which he believes is correct), but that would have been much less of a finger in the eye.

  17. You are factually wrong (sorry, confusing the mind, so that I don't come off as too gentle and polite)

    A. On the day of the Carmel disaster, I attended a wonderful Hasidic performance that took place in the nation's buildings, and the whole thing was transformed into songs of emotion and sadness in order to identify with the disaster.

    B. When you talk about Haredim who do not contribute, you are making a gross generalization. And I am not talking about the impoliteness (swear at this terrible concept) of you and Yaron London who compared the Haredim to a herd of animals in days when a little sensitivity is needed, but I am speaking mainly from an intellectual perspective. Is it because the mainstream of the Haredim does not contribute that they all deserve criticism? Even those who have degrees, work in senior positions and contribute to the economy (among those who were crushed were some of them). Do the white shirt and the hat cancel out the individual? Do they cancel out the achievements and contributions of each person? Are you supposed to feel alienated even from those who do donate and often do so with social sacrifice (unlike the average secular person) just because they adapted their dress code to Western culture?

    Also, you wrote that the Haredim do not donate in the field of health, while there are thousands of volunteers in dozens of rescue and medical aid organizations.

    The feeling is that you wrote out of emotion, and as you wrote at the beginning of the article. Emotion can lead people to talk nonsense. (That's actually a valid point…)

    P.S. I really wonder why you take such an approach, after all, much less people are convinced that way. As a person who talks about rationalism and intellectual decisions, wouldn't you want them to accept your words?

    1. Yossi, I'm sorry, but I have no chance of ever convincing people who make arguments like yours. These are empty words that completely ignore things that I've already explained clearly. Well, when the emotions subside, maybe you can read again.

      1. And another note, about not understanding what I'm reading. This column is not trying to convince people not to be Haredi or not to like Haredi, but to think rationally and not emotionally. Therefore, I do not strive for the goal of convincing people against the Haredi, and in any case, the harsh writing does not touch on my goal. Those who are willing to address the arguments and not get emotional will be able to derive the lesson and achievement required from my words, and those who are not - it won't help anyway. Let them continue reading Yated Ne'eman and WALLA.

        1. Even if the essence of the article was not about the Haredi lifestyle, there is no doubt that you would want to convince people of the righteousness of your teaching, even if it is secondary to the main point of the article. Moreover, you miss the main point of the article in this way, since people develop an antagonism towards all things. (Most of whom, as is known, are emotional and not calculated and rational like you). You are often right and not wise, although in this article you somehow missed the two limits.

          You completely did not respond to the claim. Time and again you tend to disparage the claimant instead of responding to the claimant and then preach against this phenomenon itself.

          I see absolutely no difference between racism towards Ethiopians, Mizrahi and Circassians and the Haredim, despite what holds them together at the base is some kind of shared ideal (which is also not accurate at all, because Satmar Hasid and Chabadnik by definition also fall under the same umbrella called “Haredim” despite extreme agenda gaps). Writing generalizations in such a tone (“I won't lie that I was happy for the Jew”) is not only disgusting and repulsive, it has all the ills of racism. It causes unnecessary hatred, inflames passions and widens the gaps between Haredim and the general public, and also indirectly blocks many Haredim from moving forward because they are put in the same row with those who do not contribute, etc.

          Of course I didn't understand anything and everything has already been answered and I am an idiot and don't understand.

          1. Indeed. You answered yourself and saved me. When I see questions, I will try to answer them. I didn't notice any of those with you.

            1. I will try in the future to offer question marks, if they constitute a barrier to understanding (!)

              1. Here are my questions.

                A. In your opinion, doesn't the harsh, blunt, and aggressive style cause people to develop antagonism, both against the main argument the article deals with and against the other arguments that you are supposedly trying to convince between the lines? And if so, as a person trying to influence, isn't it advisable to refine things so that they are more accepted by people?

                B. Would you make similar statements about Ethiopians?
                You will probably argue that Ethiopians are harmless, but I am speaking against the generalization and the enormous damage it brings to the discourse directly and to the progress of Haredi society indirectly, after all, not all Haredi people are not contributors or harmers (question mark)

                C. You separate manners from arguments, but along the way you trample on every most basic rule of manners and write in an extremely insensitive manner. Do manners in themselves have no value?

                D. You explain at the beginning of your speech that you enjoy arguments that hide behind cynicism, these questions were quite clear within what I said. Oh wait, I'll add – Isn't that so?

              2. I have a surprise for you: Adding question marks doesn't turn statements into questions either.

                1. I don't think so. At least not to those I'm addressing. I've already explained that.
                2. Definitely if my feelings toward them were similar. You answered that yourself.
                3. I write super sensitively.
                4. There's no question here either.
                That's it. I won't respond to such trolling anymore.

              3. It's great that you were able to answer these questions. Personally, I've been convinced by you more than once, and this kind of statement makes me think that there's an emotional motive here, which makes it very difficult to address your arguments in a matter-of-fact manner.
                It's really insensitive to share the joy of the loss you felt following the death of 45 people. It's crazy to me that this is even a topic for discussion.

              4. I have to expand on this joy for the sake of the dead, even if you see it as trolling. It just doesn't give me rest

                A. If you don't agree with the feeling and agree that it's terrible, why are you sharing it? Forget that it's not fun to hear such a feeling shared about death, you're exactly explaining here why emotions have no real value, so why are you spreading problematic emotions so publicly? Is the emotion and desire to rape a girl also worthy of sharing or should it be treated?

                B. If you justify that joy, how come you don't see a problem with generalization? How is it possible to feel joy for the sake of the dead also towards good people who contribute to others, who were there, among other things?

        2. If your goal was, indeed, to “educate” people to think more rationally, then you have failed. At least in my opinion. Rationality also involves the distinction that you fail to make here between “truth” and ”truth-telling”. What is truth-telling in this case? For the sake of discussion, let's assume that all of London's words are true (I really think most of them are) and therefore their statement is considered “truth-telling”.
          On the other hand, “truth” itself is broader and brings into the discussion various considerations relating in this case to emotions, values, assessment of the acceptance of things and perhaps most importantly - the centrality of timing. A rational person is one who bases his moral decisions (in this case, to write or not to write a provocative article/column) on familiarity with the broader truth and not on the somewhat childish urge to “tell the truth”. Cognition precedes the norm and the act of its fulfillment.
          Note: I in no way think that anyone is forbidden to say the (mostly correct) claims of London. On the contrary, in an “academic” forum and especially at a different time, it is obligatory to criticize the Haredim and their problematic mentality.

          Furthermore: there is a certain common denominator between the “sanctification of emotions” and the emotional discourse that accompanies it, and those who are so eager to “tell the truth” under any conditions and in any situation. I don't put you in the same boat as the "herd" (I've sinned in this myself) who try to think from their gut about everything and anything, but you are definitely anchored in the same marina.

          In my vision of a rational society, it is absolutely forbidden to forbid people like London or you from expressing their opinions in almost any form and at any time. Including in this case. But the second section of that "document" states that one should try to "educate" them - a task that you are not the only one allowed to pretend to carry out - that telling the truth is not the main thing, but the truth itself.

  18. How do you really distinguish between the real need for politeness and the decline into PC?
    Is the distinction that when you want to make a certain claim and avoid it because of a feeling of need for politeness, is that PC?
    I can think of examples where politeness clearly prevents making a claim, for example, in comforting the mourners of the family of the victims of Meron, telling them: “I told you” (which would be on the tip of my tongue if I were going to such a comforting).
    I can't put my finger on the difference. Is using the word “nigger” impolite? I don't know

    1. Even if Yaron London thinks so, this childish flaunting of what he feels or doesn't feel shows cruelty and a desire to annoy.
      And one more thing, it's a bit ironic that you criticize someone for condescending writing..

      1. There is a difference between someone who is arrogant, knows it and says it, and someone who pretends not to be arrogant, but among the shitheads arrogance arises. I imagine that the criticism is for the hypocrisy or the lie, not for the arrogance.

        1. Correct division. But beyond that, I didn't criticize her for being arrogant. I pointed out that she also has arrogance like he does. And here's another arrogant statement of mine: Reading comprehension is also important.
          Oh, and London's desire to annoy does exist and is completely understandable and completely legitimate.

    2. After all, I wrote that it wasn't. You can certainly avoid presenting an argument out of politeness. Using the word nigger is not polite if it offends someone (and that's the situation today). You can rebel against the imperialism of insults, where every word becomes offensive, and not cooperate with it. But it's a question of politeness. PC is something else, and I defined it briefly in the column.

  19. I saw many rabbis who came out against the introduction of Meron in the wake of the disaster. Rabbi Arousi, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, Rabbi Lior.

  20. A lot of words.

    There is an explicit prohibition and demands the dead. And all those who go to the tomb of Rashi violate it.

    But to the same extent, those who agree with and demand the words of Yaron London also violate and demand the dead.

    But because those who turn to the words of Yaron London also violate the Do not turn to the ancestors and the learned, it seems that their situation is worse than the situation of those who go to the tomb of Rashi.

  21. “He wrote the truth with remarkable honesty.. A description of the feelings of a liberal Israeli who felt alienated from the Haredim..
    What is not obvious here? What is here worthy of criticism? This is an authentic and honest description of feelings that many Israelis feel but do not dare to say because of consideration for the Haredim..”
    There is only one thing I did not understand. What is the connection between this being the truth and this being something felt? There are many true things that I do not say, and if you need an example - I do not tell someone I do not love and whose relative has died that I am happy for him, and I assume that if you see someone say this you will not compliment them on their “honesty that is noteworthy”. In the same way, I do not tell someone on the street that they are ugly even if they are really ugly. Not sharing in the grief of the families of your people who lost loved ones in such a great disaster, or worse, taking joy in their deaths, is certainly not commendable, and if someone still feels this way, they should examine their actions and see how they can work on themselves so that in the future they don't feel this way, and they certainly won't publicize it, certainly not at such a terrible time.

    1. To the wonderer – Hello,

      For exposing his savage hatred, to the point of joy for the suffering public, Yel deserves great praise. The liberal left always boasts feathers of morality and sensitivity to human dignity and freedom. Yel stood and discovered that there is neither morality nor sensitivity, neither human dignity nor freedom. He deserves a ‘Pulitzer Prize’ for important journalistic exposure! 🙂

      With best wishes, Faivish Lipa Sosnowitzki Dahari

      1. מאחורי דבריו של י"ל עומדים גם תיסכול ומצוקה says:

        It is possible that some of Y”L's hatred also stems from his envy. He grew up on the insights that the secular leftist is the ‘salt of the earth’, an enlightened and successful progressive, compared to the religious and right-wing who are dark and primitive and will soon disappear from the horizon.

        In their view, the national, traditional, religious and ultra-Orthodox public is only growing and growing, both in number and in political influence. Not only have we not disappeared from the horizon, but we have also ‘stole their state’. Hence their hatred of Netanyahu, who represents the dark ‘Jews’ who stole the state from the enlightened ’Israelis’.

        And when the ‘thieves of the state’ also receive empathy and participation in their grief – This is already beyond the endurance of the ’Israeli’ who was robbed 🙂
        As Kishon said: ‘Sorry we won’ 🙂

        With best regards, Prim Tibi

        1. There may be a point of truth in Y”l's words, and it is what he calls ‘agoraphobia’, the aversion to the crowd. There is something crude in the crowd. Extroversion stands in a certain contradiction to introversion. And it is not without reason that Michal Bat Shaul abhorred David's joyful interference with the ‘mothers of his slaves’

          But he whose spiritual world is truly illuminated by the secret, knows how to see through the coarse mass veil, the noble interiority that lies within. This is David's way, who is able to distinguish between ’mothers’ and ’mothers’. He who fails to connect with the interiority of the masses – might really be better off staying away from the crowd.

          Best regards, Yaron Fish”l Ordner

          1. The distortion in his view is the attribution of the masses to a particular sector. In every sector there are people who think and delve deeper and there are those who think less. The idea that someone who thinks differently than you doesn't think is a great distortion.

            Best regards, Yifa'r

        2. In the Sada, I remembered to them the covenant of the firstborn

          The outpouring of anger – by Yaron London and Ramada –a – against the Haredim, indicates the complete opposite of alienation. One does not speak of strangers with such bluntness. One gets angry at those who care to be angry with them, and when a person rebels against the leadership or views of his relative – he ‘pours out his wrath’.

          Perhaps that is why it is said that the terrible curses in the rebuke are really blessings. The anger indicates high expectations from those who are angry with him, expectations that the disappointment of not being fulfilled is infuriating and outrageous.

          When one reads Moshe's rebukes to his contemporaries, one gets the impression that they are a stubborn bunch of rebels and refuseniks. And behold, it is a wonder, at the end of the rebuke in which Moses speaks of the exile that will come to the people as punishment – comes the promise: ‘And I will remember for them the covenant of the first ones, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt…’. Who are those ‘first ones’ by whose covenant the Lord will save their children? – The generation of the wilderness…

          A revealed rebuke indicates a hidden love, but a revealed rebuke that is accompanied by a revealed love is more effective. Thus the last of the prophets, Malachi, opens his harsh words of rebuke with ’I have loved you’, and announces that the great zealot, Elijah the prophet – will also be the great physician, who will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, and bring about correction through mutual dialogue and listening.

          With the blessing of Shabbat Teva, Simcha Fish”l Halevi Plankton

          1. And proof of that, that he cares,

            After all, if there had been a disaster in China or India that would have aroused sympathy in Israel – Would Yaron London bother to publish a post to loudly declare his lack of concern? He would have kept quiet and that would have been the end of it. The mental need to inform the committee how much the disaster was unknown to him is the strong evidence that he cares, and he is trying to suppress this concern.

            But what can he do? He will not succeed. A Jewish heart will remain a Jewish heart, and denial has not succeeded.

            With greetings, Chief Halevi

            1. And to Yaron London's credit, it should be said that he did not bother to express his indifference to the disturbances in the mixed cities and the rockets from Gaza. This is also progress.

              Best regards, Shif

          2. Which is true, true. And I think he himself wrote that alienation is at the farthest end when joy is closer to the ego. Hatred is better than indifference or disdain. And yet hatred has bad consequences. It will hurt him too in the end.

        1. Where not? In the column itself and in the talkbacks. Putting things out there is not meant to hurt but to set a mirror before this society. Look at your own actions. You differ ideologically, study in separate institutions, separate parties, separate places of work, separate colleges, do not contribute and exploit, and now you think we will have empathy for you? He did not go to a person but to say it but wrote it on a general and public stage that typical Haredim do not even usually see. There is no problem with that. On the contrary, say what is good at the right time. In short, not only are the things true but their writing is also useful.
          An example of a thing is participation with the Palestinians in the Nakba disaster. If I were to write that I have no empathy for the victims of the disaster, it would be true and also a thing in its place. It is the same here.

  22. It was pretty clear all along that the whimsical “moral system” you espouse would lead you to these kinds of statements and agreements.

    The truth has come out.

  23. igod uploaded a video in response to the disaster, calling on the rabbis to stop this idolatry that is taking human lives.
    Go build a country…

  24. I usually don't respond here, it seems to me that if I had studied at Bar Ilan we could have talked a lot, but despite everything I disagree with you, it's impossible to really have serious discussions in writing, but I'll try this time – It seems to me that there is a perception, even a reasonable one, that sees merit in the ability of a person or a Jew to feel the pain of the public, the more complete the person is, the wider the circles. In other words, it's a moral standard. I'll be honest – Unfortunately, I didn't shed tears over the Meron disaster either, but the difference is in the word unfortunately. The difference is that Shiron London put an exclamation point after this statement. I see this as a flaw that we should try to overcome, but certainly not brag about. A parable about prayer (another institution that you don't accept, but you'll be able to understand it, continued) – I can say that I can't direct, explain exactly what in prayer today bothers me, but to say it with sorrow, hoping that I can improve, and I can break the mold. It seems to me that this is also the difference between London and the teacher in question - she experiences the dissonance, she doesn't deny her true feelings, but she understands that they are complex, somewhat flawed, and she herself gives room to both movements - the distant sincerity, and the desire to hurt and identify.

    1. How many times can I go back and explain?! There is a virtue in participating in the public's pain if you feel a part of it. But even if you feel a part of it, there is no virtue in feeling it. Feelings are facts.

  25. There is an equally big problem (in my humble opinion) and that is the reference to the thoughts of empty-headed and empty-headed people like London and his ilk.
    It is understandable that for a living they will say and do anything that will increase their damned ratings, but what about a clear-cut one like the rabbi on the filthy websites and screens that frequently poison the public atmosphere?
    At least there is no reference to the vain words (according to rumor) of Rebbetzin L. Greener, may she live.

    1. In my opinion, he is neither boastful nor empty, and his words here were also points of view that are worth considering. In general, I examine the words, not the speaker.

      1. To the best of my recollection, in the Corona controversy there was no substantive reference to the position of those opposed to the mainstream position, and even disdain was expressed for their very audacity to go against the concept…

        But a more fundamental question – Is referring to the words of the London Poochaz (via Google, which is self-evident) indeed for the purpose of seeking the truth and publishing it, or is it, as with the Poochaz and his friends – an attempt to increase ratings and nothing more?

        Because I feel – raising the Poochaz's thoughts at such a time and in such a way does not contribute positive value, it mainly causes anger

        Does the end justify the means?

        Is it appropriate to provoke a provocation in order to raise a point for discussion (however important)?

  26. What annoys me the most is the constant comparison between Lag BaOmer in Meron and a trance festival. It's annoying because that's what I answered a few years ago to a secular person who asked me why I was going to Meron. I told him (after one year of having a little fun in Meron) that I was going because it was the craziest festival there is, and holy!!! After a few years I answer myself – Listen.. You haven't been to a good party in a long time…
    You don't have Rabbi Michi on you.

    1. Everything is correct, except for the word “in holiness”. It is exactly the same.

      1. It's not the same at all. The music sucks, everyone is dressed the wrong way for a party, it's crowded! Really crowded! Lag Ba'Omer in Meron is a nightmare disguised as “holiness”, it doesn't even come close to a trance festival. A trance party is fun. It's relaxed and pleasant. There's good music, and wine that makes a human heart happy. Below.

  27. It reminds me a bit of Leibnizian childishness, which is unable to see the complexity that exists in phenomena and in man. Either a pure mitzvah or idolatry - there are no intermediate shades.

  28. 1. It's a shame you don't study the Bible. If you were to read the book of Job, you would learn that blaming the bereaved for their troubles is not desirable before God.
    Although this is obvious to most people, you could learn a few new things there.
    2. There is a big difference between saying that there is a reason we don't know and saying categorically that it happened in the way of nature and that there is no statement of God towards us. The difference is that someone who goes the first way will wake up to ask themselves what I can improve. They will probably arrive at things they have already thought about, and not something completely new, but perhaps they will still make some progress. Someone who thinks that everything is in the way of nature will not wake up to reflect on any event.
    3. God doesn't want to teach us anything, he just wants to allow us to learn

  29. And yet, Meron, as someone who is quite averse to the Aliyah to Meron, etc., I got to thinking about things. In my opinion, despite my personal inclination, the Aliyah to Meron is still important. The path you present in the books and on the website is not suitable for the general public, it is a very aristocratic path. A general public also needs culture and cannot rely on intellectual inquiries, etc. Aliyah to Meron gives people cultural and experiential value and there is a push for them to keep the mitzvot (in practice, this is what many people who have made the Aliyah to Meron have testified to me) and this gives, at least on the part of the people themselves, added value. It should be noted that although emotion is just an emotion and perhaps it should be less significant, in practice it works and affects people a lot, and therefore it needs to be nurtured, especially if people see it as a significant part of the work of God; and even if it is not really that subtle, it affects the entire attitude towards Torah and mitzvot.

    1. Even if you are right, this brings us back to the issue of holy lies: is there justification for inventing and lying to yourself and others in order to strengthen yourself in the service of God?

      1. In the month of Omer, 5:30 p.m.

        Ramda, a – Shalom Rav,

        What does a ‘holy lie’ have to do with the service of God emotionally and experientially? What strengthens a person's connection to his Creator is the ‘lie’? Didn't the Maimonides teach us that the joy that a person feels when performing the mitzvot is a great principle, and so King David said: &#8216serve the Lord with joy and come before Him with singing’.

        David learned this secret from the great counselor who taught him: ‘In the house of God we walk with emotion’, and for this teaching David held a favor for him and called him: ‘Rabbi, my master and my knower’. Perhaps the angel Michael, who is ‘with a distinct mind’ can lose the ’ without the need for emotional reinforcement– but King David, who aspires to pass on the Torah to all the avenues of the people– understands that the Torah must also be passed on with the help of emotion, experience and joy.

        With blessings, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel”R

        1. חידושו של רשב"י בשנה: חיבוב המצוות אף הוא 'חיי עולם' הי"ג says:

          In the 25th of Iyar, 5721

          Indeed, even Rashbi criticized the fact that those who “set aside eternal life and engage in temporal life,” and that those who diligently study the Torah as a Rashbi is exempted from even the service of prayer. However, after he had shut himself away in the wilderness for another year, the year 13, Rashbi was relieved when he saw a man running with two scythes, opposite “Zachor” and “Shumor,” and said, “How beloved are the commandments to Israel.” We conclude that according to the conclusion of Rashi, what brings a person to love the mitzvot is as great as eternal life, for loving the mitzvot leads to a person's persistence in practicing them over time.

          With blessings, Ya'far

          1. Verse 2-3
            … After secluding himself in the cave for another year, the year 13, Rashbi was relieved when he saw a man running in honor of Shabbat with two palm branches…

  30. Regarding your statement, Rabbi Abergel drew the same conclusion as you: https://www.inn.co.il/news/491356

  31. If the rabbi agrees, I would like the rabbi to write a systematic reference to the question of responsibility in the case of the Meron disaster. Are the participants considered to have harmed themselves? Do the various authorities have a degree of responsibility?
    And another general point, recently there have been many weighty ethical questions regarding the protection of life, just like the change in the informed consent procedure, which led to the resignation of some of the Helsinki Committee, the Corona decrees (why is the blood or livelihood of the seller in the market less red than the blood and livelihood of the tax authority official, is it permissible to harm a part of the population that is not at risk for the benefit of a population that is at risk?) and now the Meron disaster.
    So many fundamental decisions were made without proper ethical discussion.
    Instead of Torah scholars taking up the gauntlet and conducting a serious discussion on the questions, I have mainly seen a great deal of rabbis bowing down and aligning their positions with the state's decisions.
    Maybe the rabbi will pick up one of the stones that currently has no counterpart?

    1. In short, people who attend an event assume that if it is approved, then it meets the standards. This is a treaty between a citizen and his state. The state must have committed a crime by not taking care of safety standards (who in the state is, that's another question). Therefore, the responsibility basically lies with the state. Although there is common sense behavior when you see a dangerous place, and we have indeed heard of people who were there and fled for fear of the dangers.

      But there is no room for this discussion, since your question is not defined. What does “who is responsible?” mean? You need to define what the discussion is: Are they suing the state? The state is suing them? Are they suing an insurance company? Are they suing each other?

      Terms like “folding” have a critical connotation, and this is just your compromise. There is not necessarily folding here, but rather an acknowledgement that the responsibility and authority are in the hands of the state. A rabbi can say what he thinks should be done, but the one who decides (also according to halakhah) is the state. Take as an example Rabbi Kanievsky who did not “fold” and set the norms for his community himself. In doing so, he led to the deaths of many people, both within and outside his community. So did he act properly? He did not “fold”?

      1. 1. You are right that I did not write down a precise question. The precise question is – What is the law in the event that the injured parties sue the state?

        2. You are right, there is indeed criticism of this, but not because of the halachic ruling. I did not take a position on the bottom line of the ruling. The criticism is that the decisions are made without a value-based discussion. For example, before the expulsion of Gush Katif *yes* there was an in-depth discussion between rabbis of high standing regarding the relevant halachic questions (the boundary of the mitzvah of settling in the Land of Israel, refusal of an order, the authority of the state). On the issues I wrote down, there was almost no discussion at all, hence the criticism. Are all the decisions made by the state self-evident? I wonder. In this respect, the criticism applies to everyone, including Rabbi Kanievsky.

        1. 1. If the state was supposed to take care of the standards, then they can definitely sue it. What is the need for a Torah discussion here? This is a legal question, not a Torah one.
          2. The discussion is not taking place because the state is not really interested in what rabbis think about various issues.

  32. I strongly identify with what is said. And as a woman, my soul is also exhausted by the tiring intensity of the tasks: “Urgent! Forty women to make challah” (by the way, in Wiz’Nitz they already sell dough for making challah), “Tehillim now, don't be lazy! Which chapters are you taking?”
    Beyond commitments that don't always come true, forgetfulness, constraints, it happens to everyone, (breaking a vow..?), I ask, why these tasks in particular? What's wrong with one reading of this week's parashat with Rashi? Two pages in Nechama Leibowitz’? Half a page with Schottenstein..? (What our poor education allows),
    My dear sisters, why not upgrade a little? Couldn't that achieve the same goal, and perhaps even more?

  33. But, on the other hand, regarding the sentence: “It is much more satisfying and uplifting to express chalah while muttering.. and then not to acknowledge that it was of no use in any way. No drop of tears and sublime murmuring returns empty, as we know”.
    Are murmurings and prayers not likely to help? I know your view that God does not intervene in His world, but man does. Hence – Can't prayer (and even muttering), study, and so on bring man to insights, to ideas, to morality – to that true essence that if he grasps it, he influences?

    1. Whoever wants to gain insight should think and not mumble.
      This reminds me of the saying of my late father to our Haredi family members who were busy searching for means to earn a living: There is one proven means to earn a living: to go to work. Proven and tried.
      And I also remembered the story about Rabbi Kluger, the rabbi of Brody and the district, who had two people from a village near Brody come to him to ask him a difficult halachic question. He thought and thought and did not reach a conclusion. They went their way, and the next day they returned to him and told him that the young rabbi of the village had answered them quite quickly. Rabbi Kluger was amazed that such a rabbi and a rabbi was near him and he had not heard of him. He summoned him to his house and asked him how he did it. He answered him: Listen, Honored Rabbi. When the people came to me, I did not know what to answer. I entered the room and prayed in tears to God Almighty to help me. My eyes immediately fell on a book that stood out on one of the shelves, I took it out and opened it to the very answer that answered this question, and that's how I answered them. Rabbi Kluger threw him down all the stairs, and said to him: Go home. I thought you knew how to study, but it turned out that you only knew how to howl. This is a story from the stories of dissenters (on the scale of the stories of Hasidic Jews)

  34. The comparison between Yaron and Liat does not begin. This is precisely what the criticism is about: many are killed in a terrible disaster, citizens who share an identity and nationality with you (although not the same values), and you write that in your eyes it is like peeling garlic, calling them clearly derogatory names and even accusing them of making you feel sorrow through their impudence. So, instead of a plenum that hurts their pain and *makes an effort* to feel part. The justified criticism of Yaron is that he is not empathetic, even if he really wants to believe that he is. He is empathetic only to those who are not the same. This is not empathy. Animals also feel sorry for their young. Empathy is participation in the plight of the *other*.

  35. The site was asked about the publication of the investigation into Seki Zahav on the day he attempted suicide. The questioner brought Rabbi Sherlow who claimed that it should not be published on that day tps://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%d7%a4%d7%a8%d7%a1%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%aa%d7%97%d7%a7%d7%99%d7%a8-%d7%a2%d7%95%d7%91%d7%93%d7%94-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%99%d7%94%d7%95%d7%93%d7%94-%d7%9e%d7%a9%d7%99-%d7%96%d7%94%d7%91

    And you answered this way
    I completely agree with Rabbi Sherlow. It's not about hiding the investigation, but about staying until he finishes his treatment in the hospital. There is no urgency in this investigation class right now, and there is a lack of sensitivity towards the family and perhaps a hand-washing attitude towards those who are treating him (especially if he himself hears about it in the hospital). Beyond that, when he is in his condition, he has no way of responding (if I'm right that he didn't have time to respond on the program itself). If they broadcast this after he recovers, nothing will happen. It seems to me to be just a gut feeling.

    I can't understand how a person who responds with such sensitivity and compassion to even the lowest type of rapist (and who has great value in expressing insensitivity towards him) loses sensitivity to the horror in Meron.

    It seems to me that every word is unnecessary.

    1. Ron,
      Second time in two days that I've signed (almost) every word of yours
      Miki will certainly say that the comparison is flawed because here we are dealing with an expression of a position on an entire public and the issue is the fate of a private individual.

      But such an answer, if it does emerge, is a cover-up.

      In any case, I'm very interested in how, right before our eyes, a campaign of smearing against Miki and his opinions is currently taking place here on the site (and I don't know if it's right or wrong, because Miki not only spoke nonsense, in my opinion, but also sought to provoke).

      Mordechai went too far in his response to Ehud. And there's nothing in these words to say anything against him or his words (it's possible that they're all true and it's possible that only a small part of them are).

      In my opinion, this is an excellent laboratory for all of us.

    2. Indeed, every unnecessary word, including the words you wrote. The differences are as simple as pie, and I'm sure that if you had bothered to wait a minute and think a little you would have figured them out yourself.
      1. With Meshi Zahav, it's about a specific person and not the public. London referred to his feelings towards the entire Haredi public. No one should be personally offended by this.
      2. With Meshi Zahav, I would also be in favor of publishing, but we can wait. This publication may have consequences in personal law. Publishing London's words will not cause any harm, except perhaps for a few robbed Cossacks who will scream.
      3. The Haredi public does not deserve empathy because it itself is working to differentiate itself from the public and alienate itself from it. So wailing about a lack of empathy is the cry of a robbed Cossack (this is the art of the Haredi). You are eating the work of your own hands. Meshi Zahav behaved in a problematic manner (by the way, as far as I know this has not yet been proven), but he certainly tried to be involved in the public and deserves empathy despite his weaknesses and sins.
      4. The Haredi public is to blame for what happened to him (it is a result of his conduct, and we are paying the price), with Meshi Zahav it is only very indirectly.
      5. The Haredi have hurt and are hurting Biron London, Meshi Zahav has not. This has an obvious implication on his private feelings towards them and towards him.
      I can, because I am a peddler, continue to raise differences, but any further words would be unnecessary. 🙂

      1. Good week.
        I bothered to wait much longer than a minute.. I am a devout reader of the site (both the columns and the replies) and I remembered your answer well in the context of Golden Silk. And I thought a lot about finding differences.. And when I did not come to an answer that would satisfy my mind, I raised the dramatic contradiction between the response to Golden Silk and here. I have no logical explanation for how you can raise differences (which are indeed differences) in which there is no substantial difference.. And I will elaborate as a peddler.

        1. You assume that harming the public (by a highly influential and educated person) should not harm anyone personally. Nonsense! This is no less insulting and hurtful.. If I speak offensively about the Ethiopian community, can I claim that I did not harm anyone personally?? Quite the opposite…
        2. The consequences in the law of souls that you claimed regarding Golden Silk, also apply here. As far as I knew, there were quite a few wounded people hospitalized in hospitals. Maybe that would discourage the medical team from treating them properly.. After all, the wounded do not deserve compassion, etc.
        3. You wrote that Shamshi Zahav deserves compassion because he did something for the public despite his weaknesses and sins.. Are you serious? It seems to me that most of them, like everyone else in the Zaka organization, Hatzalah, soup kitchens, helping the needy, are Haredi! Doesn't that deserve a little compassion?
        4. The Haredi public is guilty, and Shamshi Zahav is indirectly guilty?? What on earth is indirectly guilty about Shamshi Zahav?? The man raped children.. He knows that an investigation is going to be published, and he chooses to commit suicide instead of dealing with it. What is indirect?
        5. Shamshi Zahav has hurt so many people directly and in a sickening way. The harm done to the Haredi public byron London, even if it is serious, certainly does not justify an offensive post at a time when 45 young people have died brutally.

  36. You should meet with the great philosopher of fools Yaron London and consult with him on the final solution to the problem of the Haredim.

    Since these are buffalo-like creatures, you can think of creative crocodile-like solutions.

    Good luck.

  37. Regarding the influx of Aggadah studies over Gemara study by study -
    You claim that this stems from shallowness and a preference for the easy way, but you assume here that even Aggadah students know deep down that Gemara study is of higher value and yet decide to study Aggadah. I think this is not so, but most students, both Aggadah and study, will not admit it, but they know deep down that studying a Talmudic issue is intellectually enjoyable but does not add any important knowledge or insight to you - just like playing chess or a puzzle, and not like studying science. The reason for this is that in order to begin studying a Talmudic issue, you are forced to accept false assumptions, and after you have shut your nose and accepted them, you can begin to enjoy it. For example, you can greatly enjoy a topic in Tractate Shabbat on a second and third kely, but you must accept: a. The rules of study and ruling (Gash, etc.) b. Specific to this issue - that God really wants the one who made tea in a pot to be stoned before witnesses and warning.

    1. I suppose there are some and there are others, but I think the high ratings have something to do with it. What's more, the very fact of studying a legend indicates shallowness because you don't really learn anything there (even in those very few lessons and articles that are of a good level). Therefore, it is clear to me that as a phenomenon this stems from people looking for an outlet for their own ego.

    2. By the way, it is equally hard to believe that God cares whether I make tea in the first or second pot. Why are you talking only about the study and not about the actual Halacha? And if it interests Him halachically, why assume that He is not interested in us learning it? Because it is difficult for people and they are looking for experiences and thrills, and this is where the "ideologies" come from.

      1. I didn't understand why it's contradictory. Of course, it all starts with the halakhah itself. I think people don't really believe that's what he wants. (There was some small prohibition, but stoning?) And anyway, there's no point in learning it. By the way, if you pay attention to what I'm saying, you'll notice that I wasn't talking about those who find studying the Gemara difficult, but rather about those who enjoy it.

        And a side note, in general, I very much agree with what you write and greatly appreciate. But in the end, I don't understand how such a systematic mishnah, which seeks the truth without compromise, ends up saying that I won't make tea in the first pot. This is something I can't accept. Since it's so absurd, I don't even see the need to get into halakhic arguments. Apparently, it all starts with you accepting the Gemara as formal authority. Could you please provide a link to an explanation of this?

        Thank you very much!

        1. You are entering into a much broader question here. I was talking about a person who is committed to halakha and yet goes to “study” Hasidism and legends. Someone who is not committed to halakha should not study anything.
          Your question about tea in a first-class vessel is demagogic, with apologies. If you accept that there is a halakha, then its details are not fundamentally different from each other. Tea in a first-class vessel or eating pork seem to me to be the same. Halakha has its own ways of development, and you can follow the development of each halakha and see how it was created. There is no point in asking about a particular halakha, one way or another. Even if specifically regarding it it does not seem to you that God wants it. If pork does seem to you, then I have no part with you. I do not see anything.
          The Rambam in Rafi Mehal Teshuva says that one should do the truth because it is the truth, that is, what God commands. Not because it will bring us any good or benefit. Therefore, misunderstandings of this kind have nothing to do with the actual commitment.

          1. The use of the example of the first tool is not demagogy (appealing to emotion) but mockery - a minor act that requires the most severe punishment at the hands of a person (a pig, for example) is also “a little more logical” (see for example all the incorrect and unconvincing explanations about a health problem, internal impurity in this animal, etc.) and the punishment is not that terrible either - whipping, you can live with it. But for the sake of the discussion, I definitely do not accept the entire halakha as a whole. I argue that even the believers and the recipients do not really identify with the fact that they are “doing the word of God” and that there really is such a serious act here that requires stoning. An interesting survey that could be done (perhaps as part of the website?): How many people would be willing to lose all their money for this? For example, if your apartment burned down on Shabbat (without fear of personal injury) and you could put out the fire and save a few million, which is all Your savings, will you do it or not? Now you will probably argue that people are weak and therefore will fail in the attempt and that does not indicate the degree of their identification. But if we ask which of them would be willing to kill a human being to save a few millions, I think there would be a few of them (I hope none).

            Another thing, even if I accept the halakhic world upon myself, and I already know that I am forbidden to make tea in a first-class vessel, why should I study the issue in Tractate Shabbat for the sake of studying only if I will not learn anything new from it? Just like in the legend..

  38. Hello Rabbi.
    Question following the post
    1. Does the Rabbi think that emotion has a role in the world? Ostensibly, emotion is supposed to make intellectual truth more evident and sustain you.

    2. As I understand it, emotion is a derivative of opinion and values. So the argument (of some) of those attacking London is about the world of values in which he finds himself, he did not define his emotional state as weakness, but as a position he stands by, is that none of my business?

    1. I will clarify 1 more, the human being is composed of several layers, one of which is emotion, it makes sense that the truth should also permeate and be expressed in it, like the well-known difference between saying to your wife I love you and meaning it, not just a weakness to express the truth with emotion. This is morally correct. Or does the rabbi see things differently. (asking about the principle, not about the event itself)

      1. To be honest, I was debating whether to respond. But you are one of several writers here that I use to work on my qualities (so far quite successfully, to my delight), so I decided to respond to your question anyway.
        (I wrote this to explain why I usually don't respond to your messages, because they are not worth responding to. There is another question here that in itself is worth responding to, and so I am responding to it here.)
        This has been explained here more than once. Emotion can express perceptions and attitudes. If it exists, there is nothing wrong with it, and even if it does not exist, there is nothing wrong with it. This is how a person is built. By the way, he is also built with the evil inclination and the desire to speak evil. Does this mean that it is worth engaging in this too? Agam can use emotion for good purposes. When emotion is used for bad purposes or when it becomes the focus of attention, it already contains a dimension of idolatry.

        1. This commenter named Ayalon is not Ayalon, who is one of the regular commenters here on the site and who has met with you several times. This is another commenter with the same name.

        2. Ok thanks, I realized there was someone else with the same name as me so I changed the name.

          Regarding 1. So according to the rabbi, emotion is a type of ability/talent, and it is clear that one cannot blame whether one has it or not, and like any ability, it can be misused.
          Agree, but emotion is more than just an ability, it is an expression of how deeply rooted you are in a thing, right?

          Also according to London, I am asking in principle how the rabbi sees the value of emotion. If he has any at all

          2. I did not understand that much if you answered me about 2, then the argument (of some of) those attacking London is indeed relevant, no?

          They are simply attacking the position and perception that led him to alienation/joy for the Id, “How arrogant are you, this is part of your people”, they were not really talking about emotion but about its perception, meaning there is a debate here about values/worldview. Does the rabbi agree with this?

          1. Hello Rabbi, I read your words again, there is no need for you to answer me on question 1, I only understood your words on question 2. I would be happy if you would answer me 🙂 Thank you

            1. 2. I wrote against these claims that my words are directed at. And I explained that the alienation he feels is definitely related to his position, but that this position is necessary in light of the behavior of the Haredim and in light of his perception that being part of a people should not necessarily lead to identification. I wrote that they cooked up this porridge and now they enjoy howling against its existence. So, indeed, this is a factual claim, and I completely disagree with it. I explained that too.

  39. Regarding the rabbi's comment policy -

    You encourage readers to be sharp in their criticism, and that in itself is very much appreciated in my opinion. Usually, opinion writers who want to show to the outside that they are also willing to accept criticism demand from critics "one basic requirement" - to write in respectful language. On the surface, it seems logical, but they use this to dismiss completely legitimate questions that are all scoundrels who are too difficult questions. The writer blocks and uses the rules of politeness like a robbed Cossack, as the rabbi described here.
    Therefore, there is something very good in the fact that you have deprived yourself of the ability to block and evade difficult questions.
    The problem with this is that people here do not understand it properly - they think that if they insert words like "idiot", "charlatan", etc. This will make their question witty and sharp (and I was hardly impressed reading some of these comments, they usually don't have any great brilliance)

    As a reader, this bothers me a lot but I have no other solution to offer, just raising the problem here

    1. I don't have a solution either. Some of the commenters here are seriously obsessed, some are not the sharpest pencils, and Adam Ewo is not guilty of a lack of talent, but he is guilty of a lack of awareness of it. Others are sharper, but they have an obsession that is probably motivated by great anger. I allow them to pour out their bitterness here, as long as they are arguments or pseudo-arguments. I only reach the point of deletion when it comes to pure insults, and usually it is towards others. I have no problem with it towards myself.
      I have already written here that I use some of these commenters as a means of working on my virtues. Abraham our father was subjected to more difficult trials 🙂

  40. Shalom Rabbi,
    Here are 2 quotes from the article regarding emotion, which seem to me to be correct, either that emotion is nothing and if you sin at all (below quote 1), or that emotion is something legitimate to act on (below quote 2). I would be happy to settle. Thanks
    Quote 1: “I have written more than once about emotions being overrated. We (almost) all have emotions, and indeed it is appropriate to take them into account. However, emotions are today perceived as something sacred that should not be harmed. Indeed, one should not harm people in any way, at least as long as it is not necessary. But emotion is not a guide and cannot guide us as to what is right and what is proper. Furthermore, usually when a person writes and speaks from turbulent emotions, he will speak nonsense. The main reason for the shallowness of discourse in our circles is the glorified attitude towards emotions. Emotion is the father of all sin, and is responsible for the appalling stupidity and rancor in our discourse.”
    Quote 2:
    “But this is an emotional, not a moral, claim. On the emotional level, London's feelings are what they are. They are facts and he is just telling us about them. There is no expression of a moral or ethical position here, and therefore I see no room for criticism of it.”

      1. I see now that you answered this above in response to another question -
        “Emotion can express perceptions and attitudes. If it exists, there is nothing wrong with it, and even if it does not exist, there is nothing wrong with it. This is how humans are built. By the way, they are also built with the evil inclination and the desire to speak evil. Does this mean that it is worth engaging in this as well? Agam can use emotion for good purposes. When emotion is used for bad purposes or when it becomes the focus of attention, it already contains a dimension of idolatry.”

  41. I risk writing things that have already been said and that you have addressed because I don't have the strength and time to go through all the responses. I admit that when I read Yaron London's words, I already imagined your response, and it was more or less what you actually wrote here. And I think the problem with London's words and also the way you address them lies in the basic claim that ”emotions are overexposed”. I definitely agree with the diagnosis that there is a serious problem with the fact that emotions have become an argument in principled discussions about ideas. The fact that someone is offended by a certain statement does not make them right or vice versa, and it is also true in my opinion that contemporary discourse deals with it nonstop and without justification. It has nothing to do with what happened here, nor with the principled claim about emotions. Because emotions are not “overexposed” – On the contrary, in today's society, in many ways, emotions are pushed aside. They don't have enough space and people are thirsty for a place where they can simply feel and where their feelings are validated. In the world of therapy (which you love to disparage, completely without justification) there is a significant word in this context: “validation”. Validating an emotion is not justifying the emotion, but recognizing it. It's not for nothing that a special word was chosen for this purpose, because justifying an emotion is a non-empathetic act, because who am I to give grades to what another person feels? After all, an emotion is not “right” or “wrong”, it is a reality. And when you validate an emotion – you recognize it, you recognize that it exists, that it is real, that the person feeling it is not making it up or manipulative. And this is true for both difficult emotions like guilt, self-hatred, suicidality – and for “bad” emotions like greed, hatred, and aggression. Recognition of the world of personal and human emotion is the basis for any communication that has tenderness and empathy. It is the basis for almost any interaction that has humanity. It is difficult for me to describe a moral world without this ability and without giving a central and significant place to the world of emotion. Yes, that is true – It is impossible to solve the Schrödinger equation using emotions. But human existence is also made of emotions, and the ability to communicate emotions was the basis for so much. Therefore, I strongly object to the statement that ”emotions are overexposed”. I agree with the statement that ”emotions should be given their rightful place”.
    Hence London's words – As you said, Yaron London does not express any statement about reality in his words but rather describes his emotions. No one disputes this. The criticism of him stems from two places: First – For having managed to bring himself to a state where he is so alienated. One can argue with this, because why are Haredim supposed to be closer to him than Cambodians, etc., etc., and it still seems to me that there is a point to the flaw in this alienation. Here it is a bit of a matter of taste and I can completely understand those who do not feel shocked and shaken and can even appreciate the inner honesty in admitting this.
    But secondly – Many people have criticized the timing, and the condescending and humiliating wording. For comparing them to a herd of animals when people are still sitting on their children. And this fits in with London's general personality and with his condescending, humiliating and arrogant statements in other contexts as well. The same post could have been published in softer terms (just as Noked did, and it is not for nothing that her words were received with love), and it could have been published with similar firmness after the bodies cool down a bit. He chose not to do it, and as a skilled and polished media person all his life, he probably knew very well what the result of publishing with these words and at this time would be. Emotions are not overexposed – and I wouldn't be surprised if what motivated this publication by London was an emotion: the desire for the spotlight, for relevance, for being the bad boy who shouts the king naked, for the feeling that he is smarter and superior to the masses devoid of understanding. All of these are emotions, and it turns out that they are not overexposed but important.
    In the margins, I will add that if we have any ambition to correct the deficiencies and flaws that you describe here, the isolation and suspicion between the different publics – then yes, posts like Nokd's are posts of correction, even when they contain criticism, and posts like London's are destructive and spoiling posts, which only deepen the alienation and the problem. And again – I will point out and emphasize what you said yourself – the difference between the posts is not the objective content but the emotion. Empathy, closeness, inclusion, recognition and validation on the one hand, and arrogance, contempt, hatred and alienation on the other. Emotion is what distinguishes. Emotion is also what will bring correction. I hope.

    1. If you claim who I am to judge the feelings of others, then don't judge London's feelings. That's on the substantive level. Regarding the question of whether it was appropriate to express them, I have addressed them quite a bit here.
      I claimed that emotions are overstated, not about hiding emotions but about using them as an argument in discourse and seeing the harm they cause as an exclusive concern.
      And regarding the question of alienation between publics, even if you are right that it deepens the alienation, I am completely in favor. I am opposed to the leftist/Christian approach of turning the other cheek. The ultra-Orthodox are mainly to blame for this alienation, and I am absolutely not in favor of petting them so as not to deepen the alienation. They cooked up this alienation and they should not complain about its existence. On the contrary, if there is any chance of any improvement, it is only due to posts like this that present an honest and sincere image to them instead of wrapping the emotions in consideration, some of which is fake and flattering (not all of it, of course).

      1. It is not right for you not to read what I wrote and force me to repeat myself. I explicitly addressed the question of London's judgment of emotion - I wrote that there is not much to say there, although I can understand someone who would say that there is a point in faulting him for bringing himself to a state of alienation (from the understanding that perhaps there is nothing to judge about an existing emotion, but we still have some control and some choice to shape our personality), and I also added that I can understand this emotion and even appreciate the honesty. So I have already answered this point.
        Regarding alienation - It is a shame that this is your position. I work quite a bit with Haredim and see how the gaps and differences are softening. If your goal is correction, then in my opinion the path to that necessarily runs through paths of empathy and understanding (and not only there). It is possible and even likely that here too the secular public is doing a better job. I am not Haredi so it is difficult for me to know, but I dare to guess that the secular public is indeed better at including the other than the Haredi public. This would not be a big surprise, although they do not lack either. But in my opinion, this is the goal that should be strived for and I do not think that posts like Yaron London's advance such a goal in any way, if anything, quite the opposite. The same goes for any analysis that tries to sterilize and remove emotion from the discussion. Not because the one who endangers or is harmed is right, but because emotion is part of reality and it motivates people and it is part of who we are, and the attempt to address an emotional issue (and the social problems of the Israeli public in general are certainly also emotional problems) from a starting point of "emotion is overrated" is doomed to failure, in my opinion.

        1. And another addition – If when you told me not to judge London's feelings you were referring to my saying that he is driven by feelings of lust for publicity and the like, then nowhere did I judge what he feels. I judged that as a mature and experienced person, he lets this emotion lead his practical decisions. It is certainly possible not to judge an emotion and to judge actions taken as a result of this emotion. I do not judge a person who feels hatred or anger, but I will judge someone who decides to murder based on his emotions, for example.

  42. I read your words carefully from the beginning and also answered them. I don't see anything new in your words that hasn't been answered.
    Regarding your last message, you decide that his emotions led to his decision and I disagree with you. I claim that the decision to express his feelings was informed and correct, and therefore I don't see on what basis you determine that it stemmed from emotion. It seems to me that you didn't read my words.

  43. As an ultra-Orthodox who lost friends in the disaster, I was very hurt by the things. I didn't see any accusations there, only a great fracture. I suppose it's entirely my fault that I was hurt, since according to you,
    emotions are the “mother of all sins”. And God forbid I don't want to whine or get angry, because according to you, all the angry discourse naturally stems from the ”sanctification of emotion”… It's better for me to let my disgusting emotions go, and ask you honestly, do you want to exclude emotion from any discussion? Do you want a discourse that is entirely opaque? A hundred thousand unreasonable people come there every year, and it's their right to be a little unreasonable. Even if you hate them (don't deny it). If they feel like being barbaric and pushing and causing trouble without a source from Sinai - that's their right. I saw something very unreasonable at the funeral: a grandmother wailing on her grandson's grave – A boy crushed to death. After all, crying won't bring him back to life. Humans are not only logical, but also human, and therefore they are “sinners” emotionally. Is your utopian world where machines will replace doctors and social security committees? – Then the disabled person won't be able to complain about opacity! Because the robots are fed by clear and relevant arguments… We are a logical people, with the book.

    But most of the people were irrational: they took care to embrace and identify with their pain, and put criticism and polarization aside. That's what I love about this people, they are irrational.

    1. Indeed, people also have feelings and it is not right to hurt them. On the other hand, I do not see what harm is in London's words. He is simply describing an alienation that he feels, which is of course a direct result of the Haredi policy that insists on alienation and lack of partnership with the environment. At the same time, the Haredi speakers insist on alienation only on one side. They are not supposed to participate in anything and contribute anything, but everyone else must feel their pain, take care of them and feel empathy with them. So I am sorry for the sorrow and mourning and for every person who has passed away, I truly feel the pain of every person who is sorry, but I am not willing to pay the price and not express positions or demand that London not describe his mental state that is required in this regard. The silencing of any critical discourse under the guise of hurting feelings is a well-known Haredi and Muslim technique, and I refuse to submit to it.
      The demagogy that I expect machines to replace National Insurance doctors (by the way, that would probably only be an improvement), is not worth addressing, of course. It is part of the same apologetic and aggressive propaganda that London and my little ego came out against. The same demagogy that explains to us that in the State of Israel there is anti-Semitism against Haredim because they are not given exemption from the army and are denied budgets or a coalition or any other banal thing. So forgive me for not being impressed by these typical attacks.
      What you like about this people I really don't like. That they are unreasonable. By the way, I assume that you don't like it either when it is turned against you (do you like the unreasonableness of this people in relation to the Haredim? For example, in the unwillingness to allow separate academic study for those who wish it). When it is convenient, you like it.

      1. It's hard for me to assume that anyone was offended by Yaron London's words. Statements of this kind mainly humiliate the speaker. His language is known for being rude and blunt, even towards those close to him in opinion, and his importance today is nil. Perhaps the afterlife is the only place where his words still receive a ’fast’. As they say in Latin: Sic transit gloria Mundi.

        Best regards, Over a bottle

        1. Hebrew translation of the proverb in line 4: ‘Thus passes the glory of the world’.

        2. On a day when there will be ‘and in the caves in the rock thousands of suns shine’, 28th of Iyar 5721;af

          Yaron London's connections with the world of the secret, begin since his childhood. As is known, Yaron London is ‘Yaron Zahavi’ the founder and commander of the ‘Hasamba’ group, which is: ‘A group of absolute absolute secret’.

          Just as Rashbi’s group fought the Roman conquerors – so does Yaron Zahavi's group fight against the British conqueror. Even the ‘Hasamba’ operates in a secret cave, which was founded by Yaron Zehavi's father, aka ‘Shimon the Locksmith’.

          Hence, Yaron Zehavi-London's anxiety about the mass gathering around Rashbi's cave in Meron is understandable, since a secret group cannot operate in a mass place, just as the Hasamba group was abolished when the Tel Aviv ‘Hilton Hotel’ was built in its place.

          However, this claim must be answered, since Rashbi's power is the ability to make the secret public. The Rashi teaches us the virtue of the soul of every person from Israel, who in the depths of his soul thirsts for the living God, and therefore the Rashi says that he has the power to “exempt the entire world from law.”

          One must ask what is the justice in ridding the world of law? Is it good for the world to be a place of no-one, a place where there is no law and no judge?

          The answer to this question is that the Rashi envisions a reformed world in which there is no need for law, because all who come into the world will do the truth because it is truth, and the good because it is good. They will serve the Lord “for the sake of Heaven,” purely, not out of fear of punishment or out of expectation of reward.

          The Rashi believes that he has the power to awaken the entire world to worship the Lord. For the sake of the name, a work that is complete only out of love, so that there will no longer be a need for judgment and judgment.

          In this corrected state, each and every one will reveal the secret of his soul that thirsts for the sake of the name, like a buffalo that must spend many hours in water to refresh itself and gather strength. Thus, a person will feel the need to connect with the Torah, like a buffalo that must spend many hours in water to refresh itself and gain strength. Thus, a person will feel the need to connect with the Torah, like a buffalo that must spend many hours in water to refresh itself and gain strength.

          Then the "deviants" will become "deviants", from the phrase "desire for yourselves", who will direct and devote all their energies to doing the will of their Father in Heaven, as a "work of high necessity".

          Best regards, Yaron Elimelech Zahavi-Zorkin the Excavator

          1. However, Rashbi conditions his ability to solve the world from the law, in conjunction with Yotam, King of Judah, who excelled in his humility, when he managed all the affairs of the kingdom during the period of his father's poverty, without attributing greatness to himself.

            For in the trait that Rashbi instills - the demand for truth without bias - also lies the risk of disagreement and division of hearts. The danger is great that everyone will believe that their way is the only truth and will fight anyone who thinks differently, and then the Torah will crumble into thousands of teachings, which belittle and fight each other.

            Therefore, Yotam's great humility is needed. When Rashbi's demand for truth is combined with great humility - Let each one also find the true sides of the words of his sages and friends, and then the complete picture will become clear, in which all sides of the truth in all opinions contradict and complement each other.

            With blessings, Yaz”z

            1. Paragraph 3, line 2
              … May each one also find the truth in the words of his masters and friends…

          2. [Where did you learn to interpret ‘a buffalo that is in need of water? The usual interpretation is an ox that is caught in a snare and cannot move. And I do have another interpretation of this verse, similar to yours, but I have not seen an interpreter who interpreted it this way. First, fainted and lay down is interpreted in terms of fainting and exhaustion, also as a result of thirst, as in that day the beautiful maidens fainted from thirst. But what is a buffalo that is in need of water? For this, we have ”a buffalo that is roasted and burned and all black, like our skin as an oven, they are blackened from the torrents of hunger, and translated, they are blackened and darkened. And Isaiah wants to say that during a siege there is “famine and sword” (famine within the city and sword without) and within the city from famine and thirst your children fainted and lay down at the head of all the streets like a buffalo that is in need of water, that is, their skin is blackened and they lie down fainting in the streets.
            And by the way, this verse in Isaiah is an aid to interpreting the translation in Lamentations and not in the fourth, because in the verse in Lamentations they lay down in the open country, young and old, the fourth interpreted they lay down dead. And the translation interpreted they lay down dead, meaning as if they were asleep. And in the parallel verse in Isaiah they passed away, they lay down, meaning they did not die, but fainted while they were alive, like a dove whose head the sun beat on and he fainted. And it seems to me that the intention of the translation is that the word lying down means death only for someone who dies on his bed, as is the custom throughout the land, but someone who dies in the open country is called dead. As it is written, “And David heard in Egypt that David lay down with his fathers, and that Joab the commander of the army died.” Therefore, they lay down in the open country is not interpreted as dead in the open country.]

            1. In the 28th of Iyar, 5621;F

              Lt. 3:11; Hello Rabbi,

              I did not make any other assumption in the interpretation of ‘ketua mekmar’, but rather that a buffalo caught in a net naturally suffers from exhaustion due to the inability to access and cool off in water, as explained in the Wikipedia entry ‘Tao’ that buffaloes lie in the water for many hours to refresh themselves.

              Indeed, some interpret the expressions ‘nekhmero rahemiyo’ or ‘shuruno ka ton nekhmeri yum’, and also yivatuho kemirei yum’, which are interestingly ‘hum’ as in Aramaic. See Mandelkern's Concordance, entry ‘Kemer’.

              With the blessing ‘Tul Lagina’, Yaz”z

              1. I don't have the concordance. The three verses you cited certainly interpreted the matter as heat. But did you find anyone who interprets the matter as black and burnt and not as black. The interpretation is black and burnt and therefore your children fainted and lay down from hunger and thirst in the city that Isaiah mentioned in the previous verse, as if you fainted from thirst and like our skin like an oven, they were blackened by the scorching heat of hunger, because hunger blackens the face, just as his face was blackened from fasting - as far as I could tell at the time, it is an interpretation that the commentators did not offer.

              2. In the sabbath of Sivan, Tish'af

                'His mercy was gathered' can also be interpreted from the language of accumulation and multiplication, such as 'And they gathered them together, donkeys, donkeys.'

                According to this, it can be said that 'a donkey from a donkey' is a buffalo that is loaded and piled with heavy loads, that it faints from the weight of its load.

                Also, 'mechmoret' in the sense of 'net' can be interpreted from the language of 'donkeys', in which piles of fish are caught in the net. Accordingly, a trap in which a single buffalo is caught would not be called 'mechmoret', which is intended for piles of small fish.

                According to my suggestion, ‘machmar’ is an adjective for a type of buffalo – a buffalo intended for ’machmar’ heavy loads.

                Best regards, Paivish Lipa Sosnowiec Dahari

              3. If the language is accumulation, then ‘they lie down like a cage full of flies, filled with the wrath of God’ would be interpreted as ‘as a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit’ – as the cage is full of flies, so they are full of the wrath of God’. Perhaps this is also the matter of hunger, for from hunger the body indeed shrinks, but sometimes it swells, as is translated from the words of hunger, swollen like a palm tree, and from excessive swelling they appear to be full of the wrath of God’ the rebuke of your God. But interpreting ‘flies’ as ‘flies’ is a great innovation. Are there any other examples of the substitution of 2-8?

              4. To T”G – Hello,

                In Arabic, it is common that a word pronounced in Hebrew with the letter ח becomes a soft כ in Arabic, such as ‘מכלוף’ from the word ‘חפלה’.

                In Hebrew, there are also examples of the closeness between כ’ and כ’, as in the examples in the ‘שיויים כל’ section on the ‘השפה העברית’ website: אנחי’כשה’ – קסה’, ‘נחשל’ Failed, ‘Price’ – ‘Sold’, ‘Lach’ – ‘Lak’.And to them you can add: ‘Bhar’ – Bakhar, ‘Sahar’ – Shkar”, etc.

                Best regards, Philsud

              5. And perhaps the buffalo woodpecker ‘toa makmer’ because it used to bury itself in water to avoid the scorching heat with only its head protruding. And so we find in the language of the Sages who would bury (= bury, bury) fruits in the ground so that they would ripen, as mentioned in the first citation of ‘kamer’, for example: ‘And he would not bury them in the ground and eat’ (B”M 8:2), ‘busheli kumara’ (Berakhot 4:2) and Oted.

                With blessings, Filsu”d

              6. According to your interpretation of the meaning of the root kamer, then roots with the same meaning only with the exchange of letters are:

                kamer – טמין
                קבר (to bury in the dirt)
                קפר (cover. Like a lid)
                קמר (probably the original meaning was not the opposite of concave but a round lid, an inverted bowl)
                קמן (alternate with מנר)

                I have an intuition that kapen – hunger – is also related to these companies, I don't know how)

                According to the meaning of heat:

                kamer
                חמם or heat (alternate with ו in the mam in the ein verb and mem in the בריש in the בלמד verb)

              7. In the complete translation, he cites several rishonim who interpreted ‘khemesh’ from the word kemmishah, in the sense of a contraction and a contraction, just as in Arabic ‘khemesh’ means ‘crumpled’.

                It is true that there is room to say that ‘khemesh’ is ‘dry’, and the like. It would be interpreted ‘ulfu sekhu ketua mecmesh’, a buffalo that fainted from dehydration.

                With greetings, Filsudࢭd

              8. It is a trawl because of the holes in it (it is a net). It is a net. “And you made for him a long time ago a work of copper net “. And there are other roots that indicate holes and the letters all alternate with a hole:

                hole (and or alternate with a meme. Letters of bump)
                קבר (from long ago)
                חפר (dug a hole)

                It is possible that his mercy was encircled This is a process in which the mercy envelops something like the womb that envelops the baby (There is a concept of I have gathered from this people the kindness and mercy. Like peace (the tongue of Solomon. A garment) Mercy is a shell that protects the people of Israel). It is like the trawl being closed on the fish inside after they have been caught inside it

              9. A long time ago, a mesh does not mean that a long time ago is a mesh, but that a long time ago is a thing (perhaps a covering) that here happened to be made into a mesh. Like chains, a pawn shop.
                To gather peace and kindness is like gathering his feet into the bed or gathering your hands and has nothing to do with a shell, the thing is gathered from the outside and returns to its source. By the way, in this matter, there was a well-known tendency in Spain to try to find meaning for words that are supposedly synonymous. It is written: ‘All faces gathered together,’ and Menachem interpreted: The faces gathered together, and now we are no longer visible, like ’The stars gathered together,’. But Donesh interpreted: The faces gathered together, the release of the cauldron (as in, cooked together in a pan). And R”i Kimchi in his open book, where he decided between Menachem and Donesh, wrote that there is a difference between the language of assembly and the language of kibbutz, that kibbutz is to collect many scattered details in one place, while assembly also serves to return something to its source and essence. This type of interpretation is rare in that period.
                נקמרו ראחמים The simplicity is that it is the opposite of restraint and jumping, and is parallel to the slurring of intestines (and perhaps also to the slurring of intestines) and is also related to the boiling of intestines. In other words, literally, the language of warming, and therefore a priest dressed in black.

                [The technique of letter exchanges gives enormous freedom, but there is a catch in that when given great freedom, you need a staggering amount of examples to be convinced that these are not accidental links like gematria. You need to review all the possible exchanges and how many of them carry meaning, and compare the content connection between words with exchanges and without exchanges in order to establish the claim statistically. I see no point in spreading anecdotes and a serious methodological introduction is needed before one can approach theories like these, which many in history have tried and failed to implement.

              10. In the s”d Ar”h Sivan 5621;f

                L”G – Shalom Rav,

                There is help for linking the ’mkabbarah’ to the network, also from the ’mbarah’ used for filtering.

                From a methodological perspective, my tendency is to search first of all, all the meanings of a root in the Bible, in an attempt to find the common denominator for the different meanings of that root.

                Therefore, the connection between ‘mkhamorat’ and ’nekmaru rahamiyo’, both of which express a gathering. Gathering and boiling go together, as in the root ‘hama’ which also means ‘hamon’ And also ‘Hamiyah’, and in you the nature of the world when many gather together rises from the crowd the great Hamiyah.

                And so the fish gathered in the trawl, squirm and jump in an attempt to free themselves, and in the end dry up from lack of water so that the crowd squirms. The heating and the stun – go together.

                Parallel to this is the root ‘Khamer’, which also includes the accumulation of heaps ‘Khamer Khamiyah’, the ’material’ that is stuck together to make bricks and vessels, the ’Khamer’ that carries heaps on its back. And also in ’Khamer’ There is the meaning of boiling and fermentation, such as ‘they will turn sour from their waters’, and ’the blood of grapes will drink sour’

                Also in the language of the Sages, they are wrapped, brought in, and buried in the ground or inside, so that they undergo a cooking process there, and there is also ‘fermentation in meat’ (Pesachim Noah), the fermentation of meat that leads to putrefaction.

                In short:
                In ’fermentation’ all the stages of the process are present: the mass gathering that leads to crowding, fermentation and warming and drying as we unfortunately saw in Meron

                And the correction will be in ”he by ‘kamra dabuh’ (Remembered by Rabbi Nathan), the symbol of the leader from the House of David, who will oversee, manage and steer the great multitude to be ‘as one man with one heart’, friends of all Israel, and we say Amen’

                With blessings, Faivish Lipa Sosnowitzki Dahari

              11. Paragraph 1, line 1
                … Also from the’cave’ used for filtering.

                Paragraph 6, line 2
                … In the ground or in a vessel, so that they pass there…

              12. It is clear that this collection brought back to him, and not the wrapping of the intention that he took to himself, the mercy that he gave to the people. I just assumed that the meaning of the concept of mercy is like a womb. It is a kind of tangible noun. There is also the word "Rahamiyo". Regarding the methodology, of course, what you say is true, but this is not the place to elaborate on it here. I could write a doctoral thesis on all the material I collected. It has been filtered and refined, sieve after sieve. My sense of criticism is no less developed than yours.

              13. In fact, the 1st of Sivan in Tashahhud

                Indeed, the ‘Korat’ is close in origin to the ’Kebra’, in which the food is ’chosen’from the refuse, and then the good is chosen and cherished and offered. Like ’Imanuel’ who eats butter and honey in his opinion, he chose the good and abhorred the evil, and like ’Tolginus’ the ’Mtalik’, he throws away the refuse, and gathers the good into a ’talika [= sack, pocket]desbi.

                With greetings, Schatz-Meister’

              14. This is for example something that does not pass my review filter. That is, both the change in the order of the letters and the change in letters. But beker means distinguishing between things (and that is where the word boker came from, where things are distinguished because of the light, as opposed to ereb, where things are mixed up because of the darkness)

                But there are many roots that mean dividing in two, and beker belongs to them:
                beker
                beka (cleaving trees)
                peker
                peka
                peza (interchange of halves with a monkey)
                beza
                pesa (opening of legs)
                pesah
                pecha (interchange of consonants. There is an unstressed consonant among them that you also used TH, which is similar to s)
                peter (peter of the womb)
                peza (interchanges with a wound). Beka sane like beka sane sane is half of a silver coin.

                Crime (I don't know why but it really feels like it belongs to me)
                Metza (This is where the word middle came from)
                Pesher (This is where the word compromise and thawing came from. In the Talmud, compromise is called execution. You cut the tallit in half)

                Pezer (Separation between hairs, etc.)
                Bezar
                Bedar (Exchanging a penis and an Aramaic door)
                Pedar (Podra (Aramaic word probably) is probably powder that is scattered)
                Fetzer (A file in the ancient meaning is something that is pushed between two things in order to split them)

                Betzer (Aramaic to reduce. And probably in the meaning of cutting. Like in grape picking)

                Besher (From the word Beshara. Spread. Similar to spread)

                Madar (From the word Midor. An Aramaic word (“Maduriah” in Daniel) related to separation)

                Now Fatah is replaced by Petar and it is replaced by Pechak – Pechiha is the opening of eyes or ears (there are both in the Bible)

                Then

                Pecha
                Peter
                Pecha
                Pecha (a sober person is someone whose eyes are opened. Usually after drinking wine)
                Pecha (from the word חוקביה. Also opening of eyes)

                And the root Petzer is related to a close family of roots that mean peeling and separating layers:

                Pezl (came from Petzer with the change to מנר)
                Pesl (removing layers from wood or stone to create a shape)
                בעזל (built of layers)
                Peshal (splitting)
                Pezl (one eye looks in one direction and the other looks in another direction)

                Perhaps also because of its meaning that it can be picked and cut from the tree, but I'm not sure about that.

              15. But cattle in the secondary meaning of something that has been inspected (the semolina that remains after the flour has been sifted) does indeed alternate with:

                Cattle
                Bachar (senior. The best there is. Firstfruits)
                Bhar (chosen)
                Baghar (like Bakhar)

                Cattle (from the pair cattle and sheep) may be so named because of their size (in relation to other domesticated animals and those that are not)

              16. And perhaps a ‘mature’ is also someone who can judge (and choose) between good and evil, and in contrast to a ‘ignorant’, who lacks maturity and the ability to choose.

                With greetings, Yaron Elimelech Fish”l Brok”a

              17. I forgot to add more substitutions to Becker's response:

                Fateh
                Beter
                Water (All who say God will give up and give up (will be cut apart) from their origin)
                Betak (Alternative of חייקים with חיט)
                Fateh (Its original meaning is probably indeed opening or death. I don't remember how I came to this conclusion. I need to check in my notebooks. I have good proof of this and the margins of the page can actually contain it)

                Bedek (Bidka Damiya) Its original meaning is Peretz. Check the house. The crack in the house

                Peretz (Alternative of Reish and Delat. This is an substitution that should be checked with seven eyes because it is dangerous. Also, the half-seminal substitutions of Tzadi and Kof)

                Bedah (Alternative of Badr with a similar meaning. Distracted as a kanera or opening the mouth to laugh)

              18. More:

                Betak
                Pesak (also cut)
                Peshak (opens his lips or mouth in proverbs)
                Peshak (in a lament and opens his mouth. In Syriac, Peshak means to break open)
                Peshak

              19. I remembered what the meaning of Patar is

                Patar Pesher (Aramaic interchange of Tiu and Shin. And He will solve our dreams. He will interpret our dreams. He gave us an interpretation. Apparently opening something that is closed. The dreams. Or opening the eyes to see and passed a phenomenon called Nadiadis)

                Also, Badah Padah should be added (an Arabic root that creates a well-known word today)

  44. If the story of Ehud Barak has already been mentioned, then his statement is of course problematic for two reasons, which are one:

    1. After all, no one cares about the trivial fact that if he had been born a Palestinian, he would have become a terrorist. He was not him, but someone who is a Palestinian and that is how they behave. This is a boring fact. He wanted to say that it is also okay in his own way. That is, that they are right in their war against us. And someone like that has a problem with their perception of reality or is evil. After all, in our assessment, the Palestinians are terrorists not because of the occupation but because of their natural murderousness. After all, they were terrorists here even before there was an occupation. They will continue to be terrorists as long as we have independent rule.

    2. Or he wanted to say that there is no truth. There are narratives and no one is right. Then he is a normal postmodern psychopath. And the postmodernists are always specifically against the Jews here in this country. For some reason, our narrative does not deserve respect. Or the narrative that there is truth, as is the usual paradox.

    The storm was essentially how a former Chief of Staff and Prime Minister is actually collaborating with our enemy.

    The fact that you don't understand yourself, Rabbi Michi (and you should have understood it yourself) shows what level of blindness you have reached.

    1. Ehud Barak probably wanted to say that peoples do not fight for the sake of heaven for the floating historical justice but are basically fighting for the national interest. Therefore, in the field of wars, there is a high correlation between interest and opinion. Even today, the Zionist left in Israel is far from the positions of the Palestinians (in the country and abroad, that's the same thing) and there is no natural explanation for this other than the usual saying that everyone else is biased and only I, in my honor and in myself, am pure and clean as the whitewash of the temple. What do you do when you encounter such a correlation? In such an encounter, a person should understand that he has sucked influences on this matter with his mother's milk and therefore attach less importance to his opinions on cosmic justice and admit that basically they are fighting for the interest. If a person feels that he has truly and sincerely managed to free himself from his old tendencies and rise above and observe objectively, as it were, and still come to a conclusion, then maybe. But an ordinary person should not be so pretentious and blind as to think that he has succeeded like that. Even if the basic relativist argument is not valid, it has weight.
      For example, even if I were convinced that the Palestinians are right in abstract ways, I would not offer them my house. Because morality is morality, but it is too difficult to uphold all moral imperatives. Therefore, the narrative discussions also seem a bit pointless to me if not for propaganda purposes.

      1. I would agree with you except for the Israeli case. After all, they tried to reach peace with them a million times and they want us at sea. Doesn't the interest in living and living without the burden of foreigners belong to cosmic justice? There is no more power for these vanities.

      2. And I'm really tired of hearing this nonsense. What's wrong with people like this? How much can be done? Until when?

          1. The truth is yes. Because there is a limit to ignorance. What place is there for national interest here? To live is a national interest that corrupts the individuals of that nation? Indeed, in the intellectual debate about whether I should exist or not or whether I should be enslaved to another people, I am indeed corrupt. How lucky I am to have Ehud Barak and you to remind me of this. It really seems that sometimes you have to shout at people to convince them. It turns out that if I shout at you a critical mass of times, maybe it will work.

            1. You are welcome to continue shouting. But I have no suicidal tendencies (testicles in the gullet) nor patience for this debate. We will meet again in discussions on other topics.

              1. Believe me, I don't have the strength to shout. My lungs are small. And I don't have the patience for this kind of debate either, but think about why I'm so frustrated by this issue. But look, today all the debates in the media are about who shouts louder, and unfortunately it works.

              2. On the occasion of Jerusalem Day,

                To Emmanuel,

                Hello,

                There is a huge gap between what is seen in the media and what is happening in reality. In the media, it seems that those who shout are heard more.

                But in reality, it is precisely ‘quiet voices penetrate deeply’. Those who speak calmly, in a matter-of-fact and reasoned manner – who are the ones who gain a wider public influence.

                For example, how much the media shouts about a certain prime minister who, according to them, is the father of all evil and corruption. And look, it is a wonder, the more the man is attacked and slandered in the media – the more his power grows at the ballot box.

                The media screams and screams – and the public on the ground does not buy it.

                With best wishes, Simcha Fish–l Halevi Plankton

              3. I disagree with you and I hope I'm wrong. If that were the case, Netanyahu would have been prime minister long ago. Sa'ar himself is a product of this incitement. It's true that Netanyahu still has 30 seats even after all the incitement, that's still evidence in your favor, but he was already at 35. In the polls before Sa'ar's party, the right (without Lieberman) had 69 seats in the polls. Besides, why do I keep hearing apologies from right-wingers about Netanyahu not being perfect, etc., but still, etc., and not understanding that this is exactly what the media wants. To control the public's subconscious assumptions. They know this well. They learn this in media schools. Repeat a message enough times and it will sink into the heart of the uncritical listener, and the right is in trouble because the only way to fight it is through counter-incitement, but the price of this will be too heavy because the right understands well what the division of the people means from a security perspective, but the other side doesn't care at all about division in the people because, to them, the people (nation) itself is a dirty word and a racist concept. The people for them is the collection of citizens. And anyway, their incitement itself creates division without any connection. So woe to those who create it and woe to those who create it

              4. סער עצמו הוא דוגמה טובה לאי יעילות ההתלהמות (לעמנואל) says:

                In the words of Emanuel, "Hello,

                Saar himself demonstrates how harmful the outburst is to the one who takes it. As long as he took the path of restraint, Saar won 30% in the internal Likud elections. The positive "credit" stood in his way at the beginning of his journey in the polls that predicted a double-digit number of seats.

                But as he gradually established himself as a staunch "anti-Bibist", for whom Netanyahu's dismissal is a "supreme value" in his eyes, his anger grew and diminished, until he barely passed the threshold, when it was clear to him that he would be completely wiped out in the next elections.

                Now he has no choice. He burned his bridges with the Likud. He did not win the public's trust. All he had to do was conquer the "monarchy" by force through a coalition with the left, which insisted that they find a way to get rid of him (and his partner Bennett) as soon as possible. They would conjure up some crazy case and flaunt it or some other patent.

                Too bad for both of them. They could have used their status as balance sheets to get senior positions in the right-wing government. What do they think the left will allow them to lead the government for days? After Netanyahu is kicked out, they will both be kicked out too.

                Best regards, Chief Halevi

              5. Paragraph 2, line 3
                … His support has been waning, …

  45. I have to disagree with you. On one of the days of remembrance for the fallen IDF, I attended a ceremony wearing a hat and a suit. I stood still, expectant. And everyone was looking at me... I represent only myself. I believe that one should identify with the pain of others. And even demonstrate it. This is how I educate my children. Believe me, if His Honor and Mr. London were like me at a funeral and saw a mother crying over the grave of her son who was crushed to death, you would put the hatred for the Haredim aside. For a moment. It has nothing to do with this. You are not the only one who hates the Haredim, and yet the majority of the people demonstrated their identification with the pain. I am very surprised if you really believe that I am trying to keep my mouth shut. Forgive me, Your Honor, this is ridiculous... But what can you do, there is a wave of hatred sweeping the country even if it is "logical" and I am not the person who is able to stop the hatred with such a response. This is what is required of well-known and respected people like you who have a lot of readers.

    1. If you have to, who am I to stop you?!
      That you believe so – is excellent. I'm sure Yaron London believes it too. But we all have different circles of identification and our empathetic feelings and identification weaken with distance. The question is which group is close to you and which is not. Yaron London claimed that the Haredim are not close to him and therefore his empathy towards them is similar to empathy towards other peoples. If it's different for you – that's fine. So what? I assume you don't stand up for Palestinians to identify with their pain, but even if you do, you're one of the few who do.
      The demagogy you're putting forward here, even in the last message, is indeed a form of gagging. And if you don't think so, then you should think again. Even the example you yourself gave regarding your identification with the Day of Remembrance for the Fallen is demagogy, since you know very well that this does not characterize the Haredi public as a whole (I wonder why when you show up at the cemetery everyone looks at you in astonishment as you described? Have you ever thought about that?).
      In addition, contrary to your demagogic slanders (which are made out of empathy, of course), there is no hatred for the Haredi here, neither in London nor in me. Unlike Yaron London, I also have a degree of empathy, but unlike him, I also have harsh criticism of them (more than he does), and as a result of all this, a certain degree of alienation is created in him (and less in me). The epithet ‘hate’ that you attach to this alienation is a demagogic and biased slander, a beautiful example of the same silence and lack of readiness for self-criticism that I am talking about here. An act of contradiction.

  46. “…The term ‘hate’ that you attach to this alienation is a demagogic and biased slander, a beautiful example of the same mouth-watering and lack of readiness for self-criticism that I am talking about here…”
    You are right. I repeat myself. You are not a hater, but an alienator. My friend buried a child, I wrote out of pain. It is okay that you did not feel empathy, that you are alienated, and it is your right to say so. It is not my job to judge whether a child who was killed arouses emotions in another. Especially since we, the Haredim, brought this upon ourselves. We will accept the judgment with love.
    For your information, I am not a lawyer for the Haredim, indeed on Memorial Day I was the only Haredi at that event, and I regret it. I do not educate my children about alienation. This is my choice.
    I did not mean to offend. Certainly not to slander. I apologize. I respect you as a person, and as a scholar, whatever your opinions may be. I sincerely apologize.

    I was impressed that the masses, despite mutual alienation, embraced and shared in the grief. It is clear to me that this is how Haredim would behave towards a secular child who crashed. We may never know.
    If out of pain I used ”systematic and defamatory, biased demagogy” I apologize for that. From what you said, it was difficult to discern that this was alienation and not hatred, at least given the level of your involvement with Haredim. That is how we are, so persecuted, and easily imagined… So again, sorry!

    1. Persecuted? You have been in power for decades. Every government falls without you and obeys your every important interest. You will not find another sectoral pressure group with such political power anywhere. You have exploited and are exploiting the power with relentless economic and social predation and still complain about persecution. And the man is amazed at it, silent to know.

  47. You also generalize all Haredim. For example, I am in favor of separation of religion and state. Well, I apologize if you feel persecuted because of me. (By the way, do you think these budgets reach a little Haredi like me?..) Really, who knows: maybe when we remove the representatives, out of goodwill you will preserve our basic rights?

    1. הרבה מהחרדים דוגלים בהיפרדות מהמדינה - אז לונדון אוהב אותם? says:

      If the argument is that the Haredim are hated because they receive state funding, then Shiron London should have been elated with solidarity with Rabbi Ehrlich, who receives no state funding and does not participate in elections 🙂

      And why do leftists hate the settlers who are the first to volunteer for military service, far beyond their proportion in the population? Remember Yair Lapid, who openly said during the expulsion from Gush Katif that he knew that there was no political or security justification for it, and that the only reason for the expulsion was to harm the settlers.

      Sartre already said that hatred of Jews is the problem of the haters.

      Best regards, Sht

      By the way, I wish religious and Haredi education would receive the same funding that secular education receives.

    2. myabu
      This is again a completely irrelevant argument, and even demagogic (not to mention postmodern). When there is criticism of the Haredi, it does not necessarily mean that every Haredi acts this way. It is possible that there are those in Al Qaeda and ISIS who oppose throat slitting. It is possible that this behavior even contradicts their own principles (just as the Haredi ideology should indeed have supported the separation of religion and state), but in practice this is what happens. The Haredi as a public act this way, and elect their representatives to the Knesset who lead such a policy. Allow me not to comment on the passive-aggressiveness about preserving the rights of the Haredi.
      Notice that not a single honest word comes out of your mouth, despite your attempts, which are sincere in my opinion, to do so. Try to think about why this is happening, and then perhaps you will be able to understand the feelings of those you are talking to here.

  48. Well, for your information, the Haredi bloc is not uniform. By the way, just like religious Zionism. And the fact that you accuse them of maintaining their power on a joint list – does not mean that they agree with everything the representatives do. The difference is that I do not look at you as a uniform bloc, you want me to represent the “Haredi public” - pay me, that is not my job. I have expressed my opinion, and I do not now have to give you an account of who I voted for in the elections. None of this is at all relevant to the claim that in my opinion the death of any child, of any gender or color, is equally painful even if their father voted for a representative who is a bully in your eyes. I would certainly understand your feelings if I were on our list of representatives. As a person, I have the right to express my pain at the hurt to my feelings and I do not understand what that has to do with silencing them.

    1. This is not about a connection to gagging. This is about gagging. Of course you have the right to feel any emotions, just like London has. And of course you deserve to feel empathy for those close to you. Diverting your discourse there is gagging, because no one has ever disagreed on that, and certainly not in this thread. The postmodern passive-aggressive, which is based on their typical argument of “not everyone is like that”, “you don't have a monopoly on” etc., is gagging. Who said that all the Haredim are one bloc? When we refer to the public, we refer to its behavior as a public and not to an individual person who shows up at the cemetery on Memorial Day and admits to himself that he even gets looks of astonishment. Raising these irrelevant points against my claims is intended to shut me up because you are trying to pick on emotional threads instead of answering factually. If you bother to read what I write and not answer irrelevant answers straight from the gut, you will easily see that I am right.
      That's it. I'm done.

  49. You're right. Sorry if I offended you by going into detail about your emotions. I apologize if I silenced you to lash out at the Haredi public as you please. As I said, this has nothing to do with my substantive argument regarding the insensitivity to my pain as a person who lost acquaintances. Sharing my feelings doesn't hurt anyone, unlike revealing London's feelings. And again, sorry again if I wasn't respectful or offended. And also for saying the last word. I couldn't hold back...

  50. I await a fan post embracing and loving Arabs who demonstrate their beautiful and lofty sincere feelings on the Temple Mount.

    1. Come on, write your original response to him first, and then maybe the column you requested will appear.

    2. It was said of you, "You did not speak well as Job's servants." A bunch of flatterers who flatter the public, and woe to you if a word of criticism comes out of you. The Haredi public is irresponsible, whiny, violent, and shouting. Instead of looking inward, you shout at others. Good health to you.

  51. My response would probably be something like:

    Why did you decide not to publish a post that embraces, justifies, and understands the honest and genuine feelings of some East German people towards the Jews during the Holocaust?

    1. In yeshivahs they say that those who don't know how to study are going to mess around with halacha. If they saw a halacha arbiter like you who is also a genius on a generational scale, maybe they would change their minds.

      1. There is a contradiction in admiring Yaron London's words.

        “Words of a coward. He wrote the truth with remarkable honesty. There is no word of anti-Semitism here, nor anything else obscene.”

        If he wrote “the truth with remarkable honesty” why do I say “there is no word of anti-Semitism here”?
        If the truth included anti-Semitism, would that negate the truth?
        Not clear. Not clear.

  52. Regarding what you wrote at the end of your words, I think you are mistaken.
    It is very consistent not to learn from the disaster because the revelry in Meron is not desirable. Because consistently, disasters always serve in this community to awaken and reinforce things that were agreed upon before the disaster that were required, but the routine wears off and causes failures. We have never heard of anyone who changed the method and came to the realization that they were wrong following a disaster that provokes. A change in method comes as a result of thinking, not as a result of the excitement that arises as a result of trauma. You demand that those who claim that disasters were sent to teach something learn what you thought even before the disaster was a mistake. They learn what they thought before the disaster was wrong. (Let's say, they didn't go last year :))

    1. Not true. Exactly what I wrote. If you strengthen yourself and take stock of your life. I'm talking about those who support learning from the disaster, meaning that it tells us something we didn't know before.

  53. Greetings

    We don't know each other, but your article came to my attention

    I don't intend to open an in-depth discussion here about the boundary between rationality and emotion (although the greatest rational philosophers already admit by now that they cannot be separated..)

    I am saying that at least in my field, the connection between body (rational, physiological, mechanistic, understandable, researched…) and soul is completely clear and accepted by everyone

    I have one comment for you

    A rabbi who is also a doctor – he should be careful with his language (and his writing) and the word ‘stupidity’ which appears 3 times in the opening in a row – does not add respect, to say the least, to the writer

    And blocks ‘emotionally’ any opening for dialogue with those with whom you might intend to develop a dialogue….

    Have a good week

    1. Hello.
      Thank you for your comment.
      I don't know who you call the great rational philosophers, and I'm quite knowledgeable in philosophy. But in any case, ad hominem is not an argument for me, so even if your description were correct, I don't see an argument here on the merits. In my understanding, the separation between them is sharp and clear, although one can of course argue about the practical diagnosis (when it is this and when it is that). I have written about this quite a bit in the past. The readers of the site usually know the background to things and the definition of the concepts, since it has come up more than once in my writings and on the site.
      Regarding the stylistic comment, there is certainly room for discussion. But I draw your attention to the fact that these statements did not refer to anyone in particular, but to the general discourse in our regions, to the extent that it can even be called discourse, which is indeed incredibly stupid (on my site I provide quite a few examples of this). I don't think that such general statements should prevent open discourse, because no reader should take it personally. On the contrary, anyone who feels the same way I do about public discourse is called upon to do so on a more reasonable level. In general, my goal is not to influence the general discourse, since I have no chance of doing so. I am trying to influence some of those who read my words, and here it is likely that there are those who are willing to open up to this criticism (although there are also reactions on the site to the style I adopt). For these, it is very important to me to present things as they are and not to wrap them in polite slang, and to the best of my understanding this is indeed presenting things as they are.
      All the best,

  54. The truth is, I read the column you wrote two and a half years after the Meron disaster. I am one of those families who were affected by this disaster and I will not go into detail, with all due respect and appreciation: Your insensitivity is amazing. I will not go after you and curse you even though that is what you wanted and wrote at the end of your words... but that is not my level and style in God.
    I wonder where your rabbinate is expressed if your insensitivity reaches this point.
    It is always easy to blame everyone and look down on them. I am truly sorry that I read this article. You certainly did not respect yourself and as a rabbi you have an obligation to do so.

  55. I read the article. The novelty that came to me was that I thought that my teacher and rabbi, Rabbi Bonim Schreiber, coined the slogan "What is for us and for them?" And I discover here that he was actually referring to the knowledge of "the Gedoyilim" (as Rabbi Yankela Galinsky famously said).

  56. Thank you for your immense efforts.
    May you be strong and blessed.
    With your permission, I would like to comment on three matters that are not the main point of this article, and I would be happy to discuss two of them with you. Perhaps this is not the place to discuss them, and therefore I would be happy if Mr. could direct me where to discuss them with him.
    A. The first: Ehud Barak's comment about “If I were a Palestinian boy” (and specifically: if, not if. That's in proper Hebrew), in contrast to a statement along the lines of “If I were a Pole in a remote village, I would probably be a Christian” which is more acceptable to me, then Ehud Barak's statement is not acceptable to me from a moral and intellectual point of view. In our time (since Judaism has imposed morality on the world, and not as Mr. believes, so this is not the place here, etc.), it is known that the murder of innocent people is a forbidden and serious act. There is no room for confusion and error here. He who kills innocent women and children, old men and women by committing suicide, is a traitor to morality, and does not comply with the general moral command (which, as stated, Judaism has imposed on the world, in my opinion) that is accepted by all people in the world. No religious justification can overthrow this moral rule or cancel it (and don't make it difficult for me, Amalek. I have a well-organized answer on this matter), and therefore the one who violates it is cruel and evil. And his actions cannot be justified on environmental grounds. This is evil, and someone who is not evil would not do such things. In other words, if I were a “Palestinian” boy, I would be shocked by the very thought of a suicide attack (and I estimate that there are such “Palestinian” boys. And they are the proof of my righteousness)
    Second: The emotional experience is presented in your words as a low need. My further proven opinion is that the emotional experience, when it is supported by reason (for example - a person who experiences an emotional experience while singing songs of repentance and awakening, after having deeply understood the matter of repentance, the matter of faith in God who returns to Him, and the correct and proper way of working according to the Torah and the Toshbin - in other words - not just someone who is enthusiastic about songs of repentance and awakening as a New Age, spiritual experience in a nutshell, but someone for whom the songs of awakening constitute a crown of precise and decisive intellectual work) - such a person has reached the peak of his spiritual level as a person. Thus in Simchat Beit Hashoeva, through which Jonah, according to the legend, attained prophecy. This legend explains a deep and true matter. And on what basis do I say this? According to Wittgenstein, and the people of logical positivism, the intellectual ability to define things and work with them rationally is language-dependent. When there are words capable of describing a certain matter, I can define it intellectually, and use it in cognitive uses. When there is no word in the language that describes this matter, it is not accessible to me intellectually. The mind has a language limit. On the other hand, emotion, when based on the mind, is not subject to this limit. It may awaken levels in a person that cannot be defined in words, that are not subject to language limitations, because they are above and beyond limited linguistic definitions. I can define a function that helps calculate the amount of water in the cistern full of water that I understand an aqueduct passes through, I can define what pleasure is in the halakhic sense (or not… I would be happy to get a tip on this from Mr…), but I cannot contain in language the sublime emotion in the closing prayer on Yom Kippur (again, not from a blind search for spirituality, but from a sincere, verified and intellectual response). If I define it in words and intellectually, I will only touch on part of it. That is, it is higher and deeper than the realms of reason when it is alone.
    C. You wrote “main and bland”. Well, bland in Hebrew is tasteless. Not seasoned. On the other hand, that which is not main is bland. Indeed, comment C’ is bland (and not bland…) to the two previous comments.
    As mentioned, I would be happy to discuss the matter with you in any (virtual) place you see fit throughout this site or in general. Please write to me at the email you replied to, so that I can see.

  57. And more... regarding the conclusion of your words:
    E. You wrote that in studying agga, musar and Tanakh, one does not learn anything that was not previously in the mind of the learner. And again - reality denies the words of Mr. For myself, things that were against my view were renewed, when studying Tanakh or agga. For example - the status of the mitzvah of studying Torah, in my opinion, was reduced from his birthright, which was given to him in later times. This is a very important mitzvah, but not a birthright. And from where? From studying Tanakh. The words of the prophets prove that the mitzvah does not see the study of Torah as a higher value than all others, but rather in relation to the stranger, the orphan and the widow, in relation to the poor, and in the desire to do good. This is a truly living example (one in a thousand) of the fact that studying the Bible and legend may create new and important insights in the learner that were not there before. So, everything depends on the learner, and does not depend categorically on the field of study. Don't you agree with that?

    1. A. Ehud Barak's comment on "If I were a Palestinian boy" deals with the question of what would reasonably have happened. A distinction must be made between guilt and responsibility. When such a boy commits atrocities, he is held responsible. But the guilt is reduced because of the environment in which he grew up. I have often divided guilt and responsibility here (you can search the site). A Palestinian boy who acts this way is within the bounds of reason, see how much factual support there is for this. This does not mean that he is not responsible and that the act is right. The fact that there are other Palestinian boys does not prove anything. It only proves that it is not deterministic, but the behavior of a reasonable person is not deterministic but reasonable.
      You write that I will not hold you accountable for the Amalek act, but I do hold you accountable, for this and many more commands for killing and punishment in the Torah, and other clearly immoral acts (such as the laws of bastardy, discrimination against women, and so on). And even if you do not find such things in the Torah, it does not matter to the fact. In their opinion, Islam has such commands and therefore they are obligated to them.
      B. I have written more than once that the emotional experience can express a situation that has value, but it itself has no value. I am referring to a person who does not have an emotional dimension but has reached that state (which is not expressed in emotion because he does not have such a department in the brain). In my opinion, he lacks nothing.
      I will leave the matter of the verbal description aside because I have dealt with this well in the past. You are talking about intuition and not emotion. You can search here on the site.
      Regarding the word "tafil" and "tafil", I have been debating this for some time. In my opinion, there is also a place to write "tafil" in the sense of pointless regarding such things.

      Regarding learning from the legend and the Bible, you are repeating things and examples that have been thoroughly discussed here. See mainly in columns 134-5 and the talkbacks that follow them, and much more here on the site.

  58. Thank you for your time and answers.
    A. This is exactly where I wanted to get to! Ehud Barak spoke about responsibility, not guilt (I understand the difference well even without your words on the site that I haven't read yet). As long as we agree that there is responsibility here, and that the act is a bad act - then the person who does it has the duty to avoid it. Hard? Let him take a pill (as one wise man used to say).
    A.2. The Palestinian boys who don't do this - prove a lot! They prove that there is another way. That things are not deterministic. Exactly as you wrote. Therefore - I come with a moral argument against those who do this. And - it is unreasonable. This is indeed a difficulty, but I expect a person to act morally even when it is difficult. And vice versa - I have a moral argument against the person who does evil, even when it is difficult!
    B. Regarding immoral acts, or immoral commands - the discussion is long, and I would be happy to conduct it with you. However, for the sake of length - or if another place is chosen, and if the place is convenient for you - then at least we will discuss each case on its own merits. Regarding Amalek: In all areas of the Bible (and hence the answer to why it is important to study it), no war of extermination was waged against Amalek based on a command from the Torah. The only war of extermination against Amalek came only and only after an explicit command from God, through a prophet, to fight against Amalek. Since we know the Torah, we have accepted that we do not interpret the written Torah as we wish, but rather based on the Oral Torah. Since there is almost no organized Oral Torah regarding the war with Amalek (limits, reference to various situations, etc.), we do not know exactly what the essence of the command and its limits is. It is very reasonable to assume that the essence of the command is to destroy Amalek only after an explicit command from the Creator, through a prophet. If things are honest, then the commandment to kill Amalek is illuminated in a different light. If God had commanded through a true prophet to destroy me by Hamas - I would have no claim against the murderers. I would have commanded to surrender my life into their hands. This is an explicit, living, and up-to-date commandment from God. It is reasonable to think and believe that this is one of the boundaries of this commandment, and then - everything changes. This is not a commandment to destroy a people, based on a distant commandment in some Torah, which I do not know if it is true or not (as Hamas and other atrocities do - they kill women and children based on a written commandment, from a Torah that is questionably true) - but a living, current, and up-to-date commandment from God; wouldn't you agree with me?
    3. Regarding judging from legend and the Bible - perhaps the argument I wrote in section B, as an example of studying the Bible as violating religious thinking and its conclusions, is not so trite here. Perhaps there is someone in the world who can innovate what is not written and said on your site, and he is writing to you now?

  59. Since the previous response was written in a hurry, I will summarize a few things, with your permission:
    A. My point, which may not have been made clear enough, is that there is room for moral blame, even where you call it responsibility. The very possibility of refraining from the act, and the very fact that there are those who refrain from it for moral reasons (the other Palestinian boys, who do prove a thing or two…) - indicates that it can be done, and these things are not deterministic. Therefore - there is a moral argument against those who commit such acts, and they cannot be morally dismissed on the grounds of “If I were…”. If you, for example, were a Palestinian boy - you would refrain from it. Proof? You are a devout believer in the Torah, and try to observe the light as much as the serious, according to your understanding, and yet - you have developed a moral reluctance to the commandment to kill Amalek. Even though your environment supports the act, and even considers it a commandment from God. And even though you were born into a persecuted and beaten people, it is only natural that they would justify the extermination of their enemies, especially after the Holocaust.
    B. In addition and as a refinement to section B in my last response: And yet - Amalek existed for hundreds of years (from 1,400 - around which, according to the calculations accepted by me, the Israelites entered the Land of Israel, until around 1,000 - the days of David) and yet - no king, judge or leader set out to destroy Amalek. He did not try to fulfill this commandment. Why? Why did Saul awaken to this only after the command of God, and even then - God did not rebuke him for his procrastination, and for the fact that he did nothing about it until the command. It is very reasonable to assume that the boundary of the commandment is that only after an explicit command by a prophet, Amalek should be destroyed. And again - Tosh's sources on the subject - are meager and lacking. Therefore, there is room to supplement them with our understanding.
    C. A trifle is not the main thing. It is difficult for me to see how something that is not the main thing is tasteless. It can certainly have taste, but it is not the main thing. And whoever blesses the main thing and dismisses the trifle can also dismiss something quite tasty.
    D. From section B, we learn about the importance of studying the Bible, as stated.

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