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On Armchair Research and “Computational Archaeology” (Column 341)

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Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.

Some time ago someone sent me an article from YNET with the enthusiastic headline: “Traces of the measure ‘tefach’ were found in archaeological findings.” The article reports a fascinating result: the size of the tefach was confirmed by archaeological means. The study also supports the (captivating) hypothesis that jar production in that period (the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel, in the 10th–7th centuries BCE) was carried out exclusively by male potters.

The research was conducted by scholars from the Weizmann Institute and the Hebrew University in collaboration with the Israel Antiquities Authority. It mentions institutions with grand names such as “The IAA Laboratory for Digital Documentation and Research in Archaeology,” or the Hebrew University’s “Laboratory for Computational Archaeology.” At first glance this all sounded truly intriguing, so I went to read. At last, I thought to myself, we’ll be able to settle the dispute of the Chazon Ish (and the Noda BiYehuda) versus R. Chaim Naeh; and if we examine the implications for measures of volume such as the “kezayit,” perhaps we even have a chance to get through the upcoming Seder night alive (i.e., without choking on the matzah).

Description of the findings and their interpretation

The researchers relied on three groups of storage and trade jars produced in different places in the Land of Israel. Three hundred jars with an average capacity of 40 liters were scanned in 3D. The study measured shape and size characteristics of the jars—such as volume, height, and maximum diameter—and compared these among the groups. The measurements indicated a lack of uniformity in the sizes measured within each group, but there was one exception: a single dimension that was precisely shared by all the jars—the inner mouth diameter of the jar’s neck. The measured diameter averaged 88–89 mm, which lies in the middle of the commonly accepted range for the “tefach”—a width measure of four fingers—an ancient unit mentioned in the Bible. One hypothesis is that the jar mouths were made in a uniform size to create an opening small enough for effective sealing—important for storage and transport—yet still large enough for easier filling and pouring.

[As part of my armchair research, seated as a researcher in the a priori laboratory for hypothesis-raising in archaeology, I wondered whether the explanation is more prosaic: perhaps there was a single monopolistic producer of jar lids who made only one lid size, and all the manufacturers conformed to that lid size.]

The researchers linked the mouth size to the process of making the jars, in which potters needed to insert a hand inside, or to a size that allows inserting a hand to clean the jars from within after use, or to prevent the entry of impurity (via an opening of a tefach), and so forth. [According to my hypothesis above, this need not be the case, of course. M.A.] In the researchers’ words, “A width that meets all these requirements is the size of a tefach, which is easy for different potters to apply. It would have been natural for ancient potters to adopt the size of the tefach, since it was a widely used unit of length in antiquity, mentioned in Assyrian and Egyptian sources as well as in the Book of the Covenant.” [It’s unclear to me whether they adopted this uniform size—i.e., set a standard unit of length that was transferred among all manufacturers and used in production—or whether each craftsman used his own hands, in which case all the hands of that era would have been of uniform size.]

The researchers buttressed the link between the tefach and the jar-neck diameters by comparing the distribution of jar-mouth sizes with measurements of male and female hand breadths from U.S. Army anthropometric databases. I [M.A.] hope they used measurements from the U.S. Army of that era (i.e., from the appropriate Native American tribe), otherwise we have a worrying anachronism. Oops—turns out they didn’t, since they report assuming that physical hand breadth hasn’t changed over the last three millennia. In any case, the results showed a match between the distribution of jar-mouth sizes and the hand-breadth distribution of men, but not of women.

And the conclusion: these data strengthen the claim that in this case we can clearly identify the use of the ancient tefach, preserved in the jar-manufacturing process, with an average size of 88–89 mm. Moreover, the test supports the hypothesis that the production of these vessels in the period in question was entrusted to male, not female, potters. So much for the study’s conclusions.

Critique from the A Priori Laboratory for Armchair Research and Hypothesis-Raising

The researchers, as noted, assume that finger breadths haven’t changed over three thousand years, measure today’s finger-breadth distribution, and compare it to the historical jar-mouth widths. From this they infer the tefach’s size. And I wonder about the logic of this argument. Seemingly, if we measure finger breadths today and assume the breadth hasn’t changed, we directly obtain the size of the tefach. Why run a field study? The two premises the researchers adopt—without any additional empirical information—by themselves yield, through a simple logical argument, their conclusion. So why, for heaven’s sake, did they need to do “computational archaeology,” use the digital documentation institute’s scans, and analyze the results for this? They could have stayed in their armchairs, posited those two assumptions, and moved straight to typing the paper and sending it to the archaeological journal BASOR.

I’ll go further. My learned predecessors in the Laboratory for A Priori Hypothesis-Raising conducted precisely such an assessment centuries ago. I refer to the halakhic decisors (poskim), who generally assume the measure hasn’t changed, and therefore measure it in their own days and extrapolate to the biblical and Talmudic tefach. It’s a pity the researchers at the computational archaeology lab missed the a priori armchair experiments conducted by Prof. Yechezkel Landau, Prof. Avraham Yeshayahu Karelitz, and Prof. Chaim Naeh, who were centuries—at least decades—ahead of the science of their time. “Turn it and turn it, for everything is in it,” and blessed is He who chose them and their teachings, “for it is your wisdom and understanding in the sight of the nations” (as it says: “and lean not on your own understanding”).

After further thought, a few more possibilities occurred to me. Perhaps their intent was really a study in physical anthropology rather than historical archaeology. That is, maybe the researchers merely wished to empirically confirm the assumption that finger thickness hasn’t changed in three thousand years; for that purpose they assumed the neck diameters reflect a tefach, and then compared them to current U.S. Army data. Here there is an explanation for getting up from the armchair, since such a conclusion does require fieldwork and actual measurement of those diameters. But even this armchair hypothesis doesn’t hold up, since it’s unclear, on this reading, whence their conclusion that the potters were men. Perhaps the jar-makers back then were women, only female finger thickness has changed over the generations? Alternatively, perhaps it was five fingers of men rather than four, and their finger thickness (and maybe women’s too) has increased?

Then I thought perhaps the study’s goal was social-historical: to understand why jar necks were made precisely at that width. Once the researchers discovered that the neck width is a Talmudic/Biblical tefach, the reasons for this captivating riddle became clear: the need to insert a hand to form the jar and to clean it, and also the trade-off between transport (favoring a small opening) and easy pouring (favoring a larger one).[1] I am not an archaeologist, and besides, I too enjoy the occasional bit of silliness, so I will refrain here from commenting on the far-reaching importance of this conclusion.[2]

Don’t think I’m merely a ceremonial head of the famous laboratory I described—this isn’t mere nepotism. I have rich, proven experience in archaeological digs, since as a mischievous youth I joined my Bnei Akiva tribe for an archaeological summer camp where we excavated at Herodion (yes, you hikers there, know that you tread trails I myself carved with the sweat of my brow). I remember that when I was a lad, I cursed the pint-sized Bar Kokhba fighters who lived and fought in tunnels a meter high. Again and again I asked why it was decreed upon me—a Jew eight cubits tall (by a man’s cubit), with a bed of iron—to live a week bent double in their Lilliputian burrows?! In any case, this finding independently supported the widespread hypothesis that the human body has indeed changed since then (height and size have marvelously increased). In light of this experience, I asked myself yet again what basis the researchers have for assuming finger thickness stayed the same (see more below).

Incidentally, Prof. Yechezkel Landau—yes, the same—writes a contrary a priori assumption in his novellae to Pesachim 116b, in these pearly words:

[…] If so, two measures for challah contradict one another, and both are a halakhah le-Moshe mi-Sinai: the measure of 43 eggs and a fifth is a halakhah le-Moshe mi-Sinai, and likewise the mikveh measure is a halakhah le-Moshe mi-Sinai. Necessarily it has changed in our time: either the thumbs have become larger and are bigger than the thumbs in the days of the Tannaim, or the eggs have become smaller and are, in our time, smaller than in the days of the Tannaim. And it is known that the generations decline, and it is impossible that our thumb is larger than the thumbs of the sages of the Talmud. Necessarily, the eggs in our time have diminished. QED.

He claims that the decline of the generations is expressed in a decrease in physical size; therefore our bodies cannot be larger than those of the ancients, and so on.

These groundbreaking a priori findings stand in contrast to the researchers’ hypothesis, but also to the empirical findings from my Herodion “study” above [and to reality as well. But there’s no need to reiterate here that we are dealing with qualitative, a priori armchair research whose methodology obligates a complete disconnect from the facts.]

The Hebrew University’s report

After these questions arose for me, I recalled that more than once I had read reports on various studies riddled with ridiculous flaws, only to find—upon reading the original article—that the problem lay in the journalistic report, not in the research. So I read the Hebrew University’s own brief report on this study. It is almost identical (the journalist copied the overwhelming majority of the summary—see below). However, I did find one relevant change. The academic report states that the “assumption” that finger thickness hasn’t changed over millennia is not just an assumption; it rests on other studies to which the authors refer in their article.

This indeed changes the picture somewhat and adds an important empirical dimension to this weighty sugya. But the need to rise from the armchair remains as unclear as before. Now the assumption that finger breadth hasn’t changed is the outcome of prior empirical studies (or at least supported by them; I didn’t check). Still, if we are equipped with this conclusion and combine it with U.S. Army data regarding current sizes, why is there a need to go into the field and measure jars? From those two premises alone one can infer the size of the tefach without getting up from the armchair (as is our custom in the a priori lab). Above I already discussed other possibilities—namely, that the study aimed to confirm an anthropological or historical hypothesis rather than to test the halakhic-historical claim about the tefach’s size—and I won’t return to that here.

I admit that if I were writing a serious review of this study, I would have had to read the scientific article itself (from the archaeological journal BASOR). I didn’t, because the topic doesn’t interest me enough, and the summaries I read did not whet my appetite. Therefore I must phrase my conclusion cautiously: in light of these reports, it seems the empirical research was superfluous. There was no need to get up from the armchair to reach this conclusion. But you are welcome to read and comment in light of the article itself.

You may then ask why I bother to write this column at all. The answer lies in methodological and logical lessons—in developing an appropriate stance toward various studies and, even more so, toward the journalistic reports about them. I therefore turn to the takeaways.

Lessons on the logical and scientific plane

Science, as distinct from mathematics, is built from empirical information and its logical analysis. The results must include some factual information, and that information doesn’t emerge from logic but from factual premises and the generalizations used in the analysis.

Note, logically speaking, that if we have a valid argument inferring some conclusion X from the set of premises {A, B, C}, then if we add further premises (say, D and E), the argument’s validity is preserved. For example, if I assume that all frogs have wings and that the table before me is a frog, I can infer that my table has wings. Now add the premise that Trump will be elected President of the United States today for a second time. The argument remains valid, of course (only it now contains a superfluous assumption; it would remain valid without it).

Returning to our study, the researchers’ conclusion relies on two premises: 1) the size of the tefach in the U.S. Army today is 89 mm; 2) the size of the tefach hasn’t changed over the last several millennia. From this one may infer: the Talmudic/Biblical tefach is also 89 mm. Indeed, even if we now add the measured widths of jar necks, and perhaps the assumption that they were made by men, and if you like also the premise that a full moon is now shining over Kamchatka, the argument remains valid. Only these additions contribute nothing to it—neither the Kamchatka premise nor the measured jar-neck widths. By the same token we could add the premise that the jars were made only by women, and that women’s hand-breadth changed sinusoidally across the years, with the period dividing the time since then to now with remainder 1—the conclusion would still remain in force.

This problem in their argument is scientific, not logical. It’s unclear why empirical work was required here, rather than sufficing with an a priori armchair study (or: why they’re stealing our laboratory’s livelihood).

Lessons on the journalistic plane

Here we have a common phenomenon: copying a report from the institution directly into a newspaper and presenting it as journalistic coverage. If they had copied verbatim and presented the piece explicitly as a text composed by the Hebrew University, there would have been some honesty. But presenting a spokesperson’s text as a journalist’s report on what occurred at the institution, in my view, violates basic journalistic norms. A journalist should critically examine the facts and their meaning and report on them independently. Imagine what we would say if we heard that a journalist transcribed a text issued by a politician’s spokesperson and presented it as a journalistic report on an event involving that politician (a daily occurrence, of course).[3]

The reasons for this widespread phenomenon are mainly the journalist’s laziness; but in scientific contexts it also reflects the journalist’s inability to examine the matter (because it requires experts). Yet in this case it would have been quite easy to check and pose the researchers some tough questions about their study, since even I—no expert in empirical archaeology (recall, my expertise is a priori armchair research)—managed to do so.

It’s worth knowing—many are unaware—that the appearance of an academic study in the popular press is a status symbol, no less than publication in prestigious journals. I recall that when I was in the Physics Department at Bar-Ilan, the department bulletin board regularly displayed clippings from the popular press reporting on our researchers’ findings. It’s no wonder that scholars and institutions pursue journalists to get their research into the general media—and journalists, of course, oblige (a win-win). This is a lesson for us as media consumers: how we should relate when we read about “groundbreaking” research in various fields. This is especially true in areas (like mathematics or physics) where the journalist lacks the knowledge and capability to truly vet the “breakthrough.”

One more note on armchair research in evolution: the case of finch beaks

In chapter four of my book God Plays Dice, I illustrated the phenomenon of a priori field studies (that is, field studies whose results can be predicted from the armchair) that are very common in the field of evolution, using the Grants’ research on the beaks of finches.[4] To clarify my claims about the tefach study, I’ll describe here the Grants’ experiment and briefly discuss its relevance.

The book The Beak of the Finch describes the fieldwork of Peter and Rosemary Grant in the Galápagos Islands in the Pacific (not far from where Darwin himself worked), mainly on Daphne Major. This work is considered a classic evolutionary field study, and the riveting (and very enthusiastic) book describing it even won a Pulitzer Prize. The Grants visited Daphne Major every year for about twenty years and tracked the development of the finch population on the island. They consistently measured several physical parameters of the finches—such as beak length, wing length, and so on. They found that over those twenty years—and even less—significant changes occurred in several parameters, and they even identified the reasons for those changes. The study demonstrated the evolutionary process in action, and contrary to the common view that evolutionary change requires thousands or millions of years for each step, it turned out—surprisingly—that a relatively small number of years suffices to sample such a process. For our purposes here I’ll describe one of those changes and the explanations found for it.

Chapter five describes the drought of 1977 and its consequences. On the island a plant called Tribulus was widespread; it scatters its mericarps which, after rain, sprout new Tribulus plants. Inside the mericarp are several seeds that can serve as food for finches. But to the finches’ misfortune, these mericarps usually hide under stones, and the common finch struggles to move them. In a normal year the finches do not eat those seeds, since more accessible plants are available. The Tribulus mericarps are hard to crack and are thus a low priority. But as a result of the drought almost all other plant types disappeared, and the finches were forced to subsist on the Tribulus mericarps. In 1973 the finches could hardly crack the hard shell of the Tribulus mericarp, and even those that did paid in great effort and time. Once the soft, accessible seeds vanished, the birds had to contend with the hard mericarps. The medium and small finches could not cope and almost all perished for lack of food. Only finches with strong, longer beaks—able to handle Tribulus mericarps—survived. The finch numbers declined steadily, and in parallel the average beak length and strength of the survivors increased. Thus the drought eliminated certain finch species (such as cactus finches) and selected for stronger, tougher beaks. The average beak length increased by about five to six percent compared to its pre-drought average. Note that such small variations in beak length and strength were what separated those that survived from their fellows who died. Thus far this is natural selection. Afterwards evolution operates: the survivors mated and their offspring were born with beaks as strong as their parents’ (genetics).

We must now ask: what was truly new in this field study? What did we learn at the conceptual level? Seemingly, this result is entirely banal: in a drought, only the hard seeds remain, and those that survive are precisely those able to crack them. Up to this point it’s a tautology. Add to this the principle that those who do not eat die—which doesn’t strike me as particularly groundbreaking—and the genetic datum that beak length is indeed heritable, and the end result is still a tautology. Thus, even without any observation, given the circumstantial facts (the drought, the weather resistance of Tribulus, and the varying capabilities of beaks), simple logic would lead any child to expect these outcomes.

True, without those observations we might not have known that beak length and strength are traits inherited genetically from parents to offspring—but that is a finding that belongs to genetics rather than to evolution per se. One could have reached that result by direct study, unrelated to evolutionary questions (by examining sample and control groups of finches and their offspring). This result does not belong to pure evolution but to its scientific periphery (genetics, etc.). No one disputes that genetics is an empirical science—i.e., falsifiable or confirmable. My debate in the book concerns only the principle of the survival of the fittest. Imagine we already knew that genetic fact that beak length is heritable; the study would seem to lose any theoretical significance.

To see clearly that the thesis proven by the Grants is a tautology (I defined it there as a “practical tautology,” without elaborating here), let’s present the matter as a logical argument:

Claim A: There was a drought.

Claim B: If there is a drought, plants disappear, except for a few hard seeds.

Claim C: Not all birds can crack hard seeds (it depends on their beak length and strength).

Claim D: Those that cannot crack hard seeds (i.e., whose beaks are too weak) have nothing to eat and die.

Claim E: Those that remain alive are precisely those that managed to crack such seeds (i.e., those with strong beaks).

Claim F: Beak strength and length are genetic traits passed from parents to offspring.

Conclusion: The beak strength and length of the offspring will increase after a drought.

It’s easy to see that, given the six premises, the conclusion follows by strict logical inference. This raises the question: what did we learn from the Grants’ study? Claims A–E are banal, self-evident facts that teach us no general principle about nature. No one seriously suggests that the study’s conclusion is that there was a drought that year, or that those who don’t eat die. Claim F is a genetic fact that could be discovered in the lab (not necessarily in the field), and in any case it is not the study’s main novelty. The conclusion, finally, is a simple logical consequence of those six claims.

Weiner himself sensed the problem, and quotes Raymond Pearl (p. 76 of the book):

“According to the opinion of many, surprisingly many, including some quite eminent names in science, it is all the same to show that something is logically necessary and to show that it actually exists. If the rules of formal logic are satisfied, they imagine that the truth has been revealed. No further proof is required. As everyone knows, such an approach has already, in effect, brought the whole theory of evolution to an intellectual bankruptcy…”

Those “eminent men of science” whom Pearl cites are entirely right. It is like a study showing that if there are ten finches on an island and six more arrive, then when we count the finches the total will be sixteen. Thus we have confirmed the (physical, not mathematical) law that 6+10=16. According to Pearl and Weiner, we should not think that if mathematics says so, there is no value in an observation demonstrating it in practice. Alternatively, the Grants’ study is like taking different triangles drawn on paper and measuring their angles to test whether their sums are 180 degrees. That too is a field test of a (practical) tautology. Is there any point or value in such a study? I have serious doubts.

In the evolutionary context it serves, of course, the propaganda needs of a defensive theory and the shoring up of believers’ confidence against their creationist critics. In the context of the biblical tefach, the study looks like conceptual confusion (had it been conducted by religious people I would have thought it too was meant to bolster faith). Substantively such studies are unnecessary. The Grants’ work offers at most a demonstration of evolutionary processes, but I see no substantive conclusion arising from it.[5]

When examining an empirical armchair study, it is advisable to structure the argument as I did here (and above for the tefach). With such a logical structure before us, we must ask which premises are known in advance and which are subject to empirical test. One can treat some premises as known and leave the others; then, if the expected conclusion is obtained, it corroborates the remaining premises. Thus, for example, had we not known there was a drought on Daphne Major, the study could have corroborated that. Had we not known that stronger beaks crack hard seeds more successfully, the study could have corroborated that. But if all the argument’s premises are already known independently prior to the study, then such research has no significance beyond psychological reinforcement for believers. We could have reached the conclusion without getting up from the armchair.

Incidentally, these very days in our A Priori Armchair Research Laboratory, we are considering expanding into evolution, gender studies (though there, all departments everywhere mainly do armchair research), psychology, household management, space science, nuclear physics, computational biology, political science, strategy and governance, history, literature, neuroscience, and more. Consider this column a call for donors—and may the listener find it pleasant.

[1] Thus it is presented in the Hebrew University report mentioned below.

[2] I’ll just note that yesterday I received a post from a well-known businessman who mocked the rabbis’ concern with the correct blessing for a krembo. He wondered at the useless, ridiculous topics to which wise people devote themselves in the 20th century. I replied that his scorn should have been directed at those who devote their lives to television shows—their production, viewing, and critique—and even to politics and other pointless subjects that occupy almost the entire secular public. That strikes me as far more ridiculous. But now I thought perhaps I should also direct him to these studies—some of which he may even be funding. There he can see that even our academy engages burning issues like why jar necks were made 89 mm wide in 10th-century BCE Israel. Shame on the rabbis who deal with the blessing over a krembo cookie instead of devoting their talents and energies to investigating the reason for fixing jar-neck widths…

[3] See, for example, Kalman Liebskind’s comments about the Wikipedia entry “Esther Hayut,” where the site’s editors were asked by the court system’s spokespersons to copy into it text written by their office.

[4] There it was part of my claim that evolution is a tautological theory that is not falsifiable (and therefore, of course, necessarily true). Survival of the fittest is a valid logical-analytic argument.

[5] For this reason, evolutionary researchers consider it very important to demonstrate such a phenomenon and watch it in action. This can have a non-trivial effect on one’s willingness to consider the blind process as an option. As Dawkins explains at length in his book (p. 169ff.), observing an evolutionary process can raise awareness of this option, which we tend to dismiss out of hand. But that claim is problematic, since it is a psychological effect, not a result of scientific significance.

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  1. I read column 63 where you talk about not disparaging our many. But here you really disparaged the famous in Judah.

  2. A. Regarding Grant's study, can you say that some or all of the assumptions (b-e), although logical and probably true, were not previously known to us? Or at least not formulated in such a way? Often the benefit of observation lies in its contribution to the development of the hypothesis, and if so, from the perspective of the explanations that came afterwards, the field study would indeed seem unnecessary. But in fact we would not have reached these supposedly a priori conclusions without having results in the field that we wanted to explain.

    B. Also on this subject, have not some important scientific advances been made by someone trying to test whether assumptions that were considered absolute truths by armchair philosophers actually hold true in the field? There could be countless explanations why the actual result would be different from what we thought, and the fact that someone tested it and saw that it actually works has a certain value.

    1. A. These are general statements. It is certainly possible a priori, since we do not know everything and there are hypotheses that are confirmed by the experiment. But in order to claim that this is what is happening here, you must point out the assumption that was not clear and that they came to test. In my opinion, there is no such assumption here.
      B. It only means that it is worth doing such studies (lest we get a surprising result that one of the assumptions we thought was correct is not), but it does not show what is learned from them. I keep asking what we learned from the Grants' study? That genetics does work? Why not do a study that tests adding oranges to a basket or the sums of angles in triangles?

      1. The study of the Pharisees did not teach us anything new, but it confirmed a conclusion that they had already reached.
        This strengthens the assumption that small-scale evolution does indeed occur in practice and is not just theoretically possible (and as we noted, not everything that seems predictable in a theoretical analysis actually happens in practice).
        I would add that it is important to publish such studies not only to strengthen confidence in this conclusion in general but in particular as a counterweight to studies that will not find it (for statistical reasons or because of glitches, etc.)
        So I do not understand what the criticism is about.

        (By the way, a study on the sum of the angles of a sufficiently large triangle on the Earth can teach us that the Earth is not flat, there are those who have done such studies on larger areas in order to discover whether there is a curvature in high space or something like that, I do not think they found anything)

        1. These claims have already been made. I did not criticize the study, but rather those who thought it taught us something (mainly the reports). There is indeed value in confirmatory studies. Of course, there is also significance to the question of what is confirmed.

  3. Scientific theories can sound nice and logical on paper, but they won't match reality (which is ultimately what we want to investigate in physics/chemistry/biology). Sometimes we forget to take a certain factor into account, are unaware of the existence of another factor, etc.
    That's why it's important to do research that will confirm our theories.
    If they really measured the angle of giant triangles on Earth, they would discover that the sum of the angles is not necessarily 180 because that's not the geometry of our world, and we would learn something new about the world.
    Also, in research on the Pharisees, we might discover that this is a society that cares about its weak (strong Pharisees also exploit the weak) and then the effect wouldn't occur.

    In short, it makes sense to conduct experiments to confirm theories or at least find support for our theory, and nature can surprise (yet many groundbreaking theories have emerged from experiments that did not meet their predictions even though they were based on accepted theories).

    1. This comment came up as a joke in David Wichner's response.
      I didn't say there was no value in such an experiment, but that we don't learn from it. We would have learned something from it if it had refuted one of the assumptions we thought were true. But it didn't. So what did we learn from it? Try to point out what we learned from the experiment of the farmer or the Pharisees (did we discover that there is no altruism there? Even that is not necessary). Why not conduct an experiment in which you measure the sum of the angles in a triangle or walk along two parallel lines and check that they really don't meet?

  4. Regarding the research, the idea is simple: once it has been proven that there is a measurement as precise as four fingers today, it is not reasonable to assume that five fingers of the past are exactly equal to four today.

    1. I don't buy it. It's not about accuracy at the levels you're talking about. In any case, even without that, my argument still stands.

  5. In the words of the aforementioned sage,
    Why did he understand that the size of the thumbs had decreased only since the time of the Shas sages
    and not since the time of Maimonides
    who even measured the size of a vessel containing three eggs and a fiver with a hair on his fingers – and found no contradiction between the measurements?

  6. They wrote explicitly:
    “Identified traces of the biblical measure “taph””

    That is. They discovered that the size of the taph (already known) had a direct engineering meaning. The diameter of the jars' openings. “And its length within the range of the various estimates given in the past for the size of the taph”

    It is not clear what all the fuss is about.

  7. 1. I couldn't read the whole article because it's only for people who are registered with the journal. In any case, in the summary that is open to everyone, they write that they came to provide explanations for the correspondence between the male's patting and the size of the jug openings.
    2. Regarding Grant's research, you simply proved all of evolution in a logical way. So what is the need for proof of evolution anyway?

  8. Regarding the archaeological study - I think you need to read the original article to understand what was done there. It doesn't seem to me that the authors of the article wanted to discover what the ancient degree of cultivation was, and I wouldn't be surprised if, from the researchers' perspective, their innovation was some interesting detail about the jar industry (which had a standard for the width of the opening - not a trivial thing, jars today have openings of all kinds of sizes), and that this standard width corresponded to a very common unit of measurement and was probably made according to it. In my opinion, this is a nice and interesting detail for those interested in archaeology - and it's not just a trivial detail. The structure of pottery is a very important tool in dating layers, and such a discovery, that there is such a distinct characteristic of pottery from the tenth century, could be of great importance in such a context, or in the context of detecting forgeries, and I assume that in the contexts - I'm not an archaeologist so I don't know. In any case, the popular presentation of the article does not indicate much about its novelty (even if it is done on the university website. The university also has a PR department and they have also heard a thing or two about clickbait).

    Regarding the Pharisees - I have not read the book, but in my opinion the enthusiasm does not come from the enormous novelty or from the fact that they found proof of evolution, there was more than enough evidence in the 1970s. It is more like a situation in which a nineteenth-century mapmaker gets to go up to the International Space Station and see that all the coastlines and continents that he has worked his whole life to measure and draw with all sorts of sophisticated means and with the labor of collecting and calculating, do indeed look as he predicted them. Until people got into space, no one *saw* what the continents looked like. Everyone knew, no one was surprised to find that they looked the way we thought they did after all the work that went into it, but there is something amazing and wonderful about simply being able to see how the theory you deduced from a careful collection of facts and a lot of thought is happening before your eyes. Here too, in my opinion, it is not about a sensational innovation but about the amazement of observing evolution in action. Even if when you think about it, perhaps you should not be surprised by the process that happened with the Pharisees, there was still a unique combination of circumstances here that made it possible to see an evolutionary change in just a few years happening right before our eyes. For those who until now have had to imagine these processes, to assume their existence with some degree of certainty – I suppose this is a special and exciting experience.

    Of course, what I wrote about the Pharisees does not make what happened there a sensational scientific innovation. My goal is to explain why they bothered to write a book about it, why they were so enthusiastic about this observation (apart from the fact that this book is probably a great popular introduction to the theory of evolution, which it is).

    1. I agree with everything. As mentioned, my criticism is mainly of the report and not of the original article that I did not read. Regarding the Pharisees, you are clearly right, which is where the enthusiasm comes from. But her enthusiasm must not spoil the story and lead us to think that we learned something from this study (see the first talkbacks above).

  9. Indeed, the interpretive part of the article is armchair science, however, to be honest, in the article itself they do not present the things as findings that prove the extent of ancient cultivation (I quickly skimmed the article, so maybe I missed it). They merely describe the jars, and in the interpretation paragraph they expand on the above hypotheses as to why this extent was used regularly (and note that -Obviously without written findings it is impossible to really prove this type of theories and therefore:
    “we would like to leave it as a possible theory”.
    ).

  10. In my opinion, the article about the Pharisees is to show that serious (relatively) changes can occur in a population *very quickly*. In the case of the Pharisees (or the moths in the Industrial Revolution in English) literally within a few years.

    Let's say a population whose beak length was 80 meters, in 20 years the beak length is 200 meters (I just threw out numbers). The point here is the short time in which things happen.

  11. If I come to one country and murder everyone who is not blond, close the gates and return after a hundred years, it is likely that the percentage of blonds in the population will increase greatly. This has nothing to do with evolution and it is not natural selection in real time.

    In general, regarding scientific studies like that of the tapper, it is just to look for headlines and pass the time with the budget of the institute/university.

    By the way, maybe it is stupid but I have always seen something common between the scholarly avarach and the modern researcher that the only difference between the haredi avarach who is immersed in Talmudic issues and does not want to deal with existential questions because he is afraid of them and the scientific researcher who will never reach a revolutionary point because of his weakness is that the latter enjoys an encouraging social environment without anyone shouting ‘The king is naked’ And we will continue to suffer from a flood of researchers and studies (even in the exact sciences) without any need or innovation for humanity... the main thing is that everyone feels that they are dealing with something called truth.

  12. 'באמת איש' - האם היו מידות שונות לגברים ולנשים? says:

    In the 19th of Bashan, 5771

    The discovery that the jugs, even of different sizes, had a uniform diameter of the opening, corresponding to the size of the ’tafach’ – is certainly interesting. It must be assumed that the need to adjust the opening to the width of a man's palm, which is larger than a woman's palm, – was intended to allow men to also engage in cleaning the jugs, therefore the jug had to be constructed so that a man could also put his hand into it. After all, washing dishes is not included in the mishna among the seven chores that a woman does for her husband (and as explained in the Gemara that ’a woman does not become a washer’ 🙂

    The fact that there is a difference in body size between men and women raises an interesting question. The measurements in the Bible and in the Sages, which express the size of body parts - such as: finger, little finger, thumb, palm, thumb, etc. - were they calculated according to the average size of the male or female body? Or were there measurements for men and measurements for women? Or perhaps this is the meaning of the expression "indeed a man" - a man's arm is larger than a man's arm.

    If there were indeed separate sizes for men and women, it may be possible to resolve any apparent difficulties and contradictions that arise from the sources regarding the different sizes.

    "Armchair speculation" cannot lead to conclusions, but they can certainly be "opened by a palm." For a re-examination of the sources and archaeological findings, a study and examination that will confirm or refute the ‘armchair hypothesis’.

    Best regards, Yosef Zvi Bidani, Levi-Trumpetist

  13. "Maybe the makers of the jugs back then were actually women, but the thickness of women's fingers did change over the generations? Alternatively, maybe these were five fingers of men rather than four, and the thickness of their fingers (and perhaps also of women) increased?"

    Maybe. Maybe you wrote sensible things originally, but when you moved to the internet they were replaced by nonsense? Maybe.

    The question is whether you mean possible or probable. If you meant possible, the answers to both questions are positive. If you meant probable, the answers to both are negative.

  14. By the way, I saw a video by Rabbi Shreki about the size of an olive (which I can't find right now) in which he claims that the size of the olive has not changed at all according to archaeology, and every rabbi who wrote that the olive is much larger than it is today didn't have olives in his country.

    1. On the 15th of Kislev, 5781

      Lishi – Shalom Rav,

      It is difficult to attribute the methods of the poskim that a kazeit is equal to half an egg to a failure to recognize reality. After all, Rabbi Yosef Karo, who lived in Safed, writes in his edited Shulhan (O”H Siman Tofo): ‘And some say that the amount of a kazeit is equal to half an egg” – After all, in Safed, Maran saw olive trees.

      The source of the method that a kazeit is equal to half an egg is in the Sugya in the Kiryats, which states that one cannot eat more than two kazeitim’ at one time. The problem is that there are other issues from which it seems that a kazeit’ It is less than a ’kgerugrat’, and according to this, the Maimonides wrote that a ’kzeit’ is less than a third of an egg, and the Rashba wrote that a ’kzeit’ is less than a quarter of an egg.

      To settle the issue of cuttings, it can be said that the issue of cuttings refers to hard foods that do not soften easily, and therefore more than two olives cannot be chewed together at once, even though in terms of volume there is room for more in the swallowing chamber.

      The evidence from the archaeological findings in which the olive kernels found are no larger than today's olives, is presented by Professor Mordechai Kislev in his article on a &#8216kzeit’ in Tachumin, volume 10. Although it is possible to reject the possibility that there were varieties in which the buoyancy was greater even though the kernel was the same size, and just as there are today's dates of the 'Majhol' variety whose buoyancy is very large in relation to the kernel. In the days of the sages, the oil in olives was a major commodity for both eating and fueling - it appears that they invested in developing varieties with high oil content.

      A comprehensive summary of the issue can be found in Rabbi Chaim Navon's article, 'How many olives are in a 'cazeit'?', on the Asif website.

      With a bright Hanukkah blessing, Yaron Halevi Borlai-Werkheimer

      1. The Shulchan Aruch method is based on Rishonim who preceded it, who wrote that they did not really know the olives. When they got to the Shulchan Aruch, they started saying that the sizes had changed, etc.

        1. שיטת השו"ע והראשונים שקדמו לו מבוססת על עדוותה של הגמ' בכריתות (לישי) says:

          To the Lord,

          As I explained above, the Rishonim's method that an olive is about half an egg is based on the testimony of the authors of the Sugya in Karitot that the Beit Biliah does not hold more than two olives. Whereas in Yoma it is explained that the Beit Biliah holds about a chicken egg,

          it follows from the summary that the olive is about half an egg, and yet more than a third of an egg.

          It can be said that the Sugya are divided, or that in Karitot we are talking about a food that is not soft and difficult to chew, more than two olives together (and so it should be said according to the Rambal and the Rashbal, that an olive is less than a third/less than a quarter of an egg), but the simplicity of the Sugya in Karitot indicates that an olive is close to half an egg, and the Sages certainly saw olives.

          And I have already given the example of the variety of dates that has a much greater buoyancy than other varieties, even though the kernel is the same size, so it is not unreasonable that there were also varieties of olives with high buoyancy, reaching about half an egg, as evidenced by the case of the cuttings.

          With greetings, Chief Justice Halevi

  15. R. Caro also held to the method of Rabbeinu Tam regarding the issue of the stars appearing, even though he lived in Israel and saw that it did not quite work out (although he probably did not yet know that there was a reasonable interpretation of the Gemara without the R.'s method). The Maran was probably not strong in consulting with reality before accepting the authority of the ancients. And in Sukkah 22: Kudos to the Zuzah who humorously brought evidence from a verse for the everyday claim that a great thing that is far away appears to us as great, and what verse is more apt for such a matter than "and is in our eyes like grasshoppers."

    1. In my opinion, it's not humorous. It's Thos' way of sticking to the verses and not making use of observations about reality.

    2. On the 15th of Kislev, 5771

      To the ratio, – Shalom Rav,

      Just as with the ’Kezei’ the basis is the testimony of the ’Gem’ in the Kiryatot –, so with regard to the rising of the stars, the source is the ’Gem’ in Pesachim, which states that just as between the break of dawn and the rising of the sun there is a movement of four – words –, so between sunset and the rising of the stars there is a movement of four ’ words.

      Without being too ‘in the business’, I understand from the –Gem’ in Pesachim that the rising of the stars described there is parallel to the &#8217Gem’Gem’Gem’ And just as the rising of dawn is the beginning of the twinkling of light in the east, it seems that the rising of the stars of Passover is the last light at the far end of the west.

      So it turns out. The tilt of the earth that causes the sunlight to begin to twinkle before sunrise, so its disappearance will occur at the same rate after sunset, and the same period of time between the first light and sunrise will also be between sunset and the last spark of light.

      I remember seeing in R. Druck's "Lights of Life" that today, when the nights are illuminated by electric lights, we do not notice the remnants of the light at the far end of the west. Only those who are in a place that is completely dark from the point of view of electric lighting do not notice the remnants of the light at the far end of the west. Only those who are in a place that is completely dark from the point of view of electric lighting do not notice the remnants of the light at the far end of the west. Can see the remnants of daylight that finally disappear only 72 minutes after sunset.

      Best regards, Zionism

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