“Until When Is the End of the Riots?”: Another Look at the 5781 Riots (Column 389)
With God’s help
Disclaimer: This post was translated from Hebrew using AI (ChatGPT 5 Thinking), so there may be inaccuracies or nuances lost. If something seems unclear, please refer to the Hebrew original or contact us for clarification.
At that time Michael will stand, the great prince who stands over the children of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people shall escape—everyone who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence. And the wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who make the many righteous like the stars forever and ever. But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall roam to and fro and knowledge shall increase. And I, Daniel, saw, and behold, two others were standing—one here on the bank of the river and one there on the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen who was above the waters of the river: “How long until the end of the wonders?” And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river; and he lifted his right hand and his left hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when the shattering of the power of the holy people is complete, all these things shall be finished. And I heard, but I did not understand; and I said, “My lord, what will be the latter end of these things?” And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified and made white and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but the wise will understand.”
(Daniel 12:1–10)
In the excerpt from Daniel you can find everything: the troubles that befall Israel, the ongoing lack of understanding and the need to clarify and refine matters and bring order to the chaos, and even “those who make the many righteous” (the leftists—may their names be blotted out) and the clash between right and left. Oh, and how could I forget Michael the great prince?! Leika midi delo remeiza… nothing goes unhinted at.
The End of the Riots
In the previous column I discussed the 5781 riots and their meaning. Now, when it seems they’re approaching their end, I have a few remarks relevant to this stage. These days I’m starting to read the summaries and recommendations of various people (most of them predictable, as expected). Many point to unequal treatment that creates frustration among Arab citizens of Israel, and to the fact that not all of them are rioters and supporters of the riots (a radical minority; most are loyal citizens who just want quiet). Others claim we must not ignore the question of blame and must not draw symmetry between Arabs and Jews (rioters on all sides—see also the emotional and detached responses to my previous column). People speak about the need to improve the situation of Arabs in order to prevent frustration and the events that are likely to recur, and, on the other hand, about the need for governance, and so on. Needless to say, as usual, anyone can guess in advance what a right-wing writer will write and what will appear with a left-wing writer. All is foreseen, yet permission is given.
To be honest, my motivation in this column is not critical. To my best judgment, on these matters almost everyone is right. My aim here is to try to put these ideas in order and perhaps even reconcile them with one another. If everyone is right, then what actually should be done? A firm hand and strong governance, or greater equality and proper treatment of Arabs? To understand them or to blame them? To point also to the phenomenon of Jewish rioters or to boycott Cellcom? You can imagine that some of the points I’ll raise may seem contradictory, while others will appear so simple as to be trivial. The truth is there’s no contradiction here, but some of the points are indeed embarrassingly simple. Still, as Ramchal wrote in the introduction to Mesillat Yesharim, sometimes there’s a need to repeat simple things. That’s precisely what it means to bring order to chaos and to reveal the end of the wonders/riots.
Cellcom as a Parable
Yesterday a WhatsApp and Facebook storm broke out around a strike/protest by the Cellcom company. Cellcom announced yesterday a one-hour strike in protest against extremism and calling for coexistence. As is our way, there was hysterical incitement about the traitors at Cellcom. People raged and cursed, and it is a wonder in my eyes that no one climbed onto Cellcom with a D9 to eradicate the evil from our midst. Well, at least we can take comfort that thousands answered the call and disconnected from those traitors, and thus their stock dropped significantly. Serves them right, those scoundrels. Below you’ll see a few posters the company published to illustrate the matter. Anyone can see they are the basest sort of traitors, and the thing needs no further proof.
On my WhatsApp I saw the following calls: “Disconnect immediately from Cellcom, which identifies with the enemy’s strike,” #We_Do_Not_Give_In_No_More#. “Note, don’t switch by mistake to Cellcom’s subsidiaries” (for fear of nat bar nat). It was truly a hysterical storm, and I pinched myself to understand what was going on here. Even the lowly discourse common in our realm doesn’t know such levels of degradation. People took part whom I know as decidedly intelligent. I tried to remark something, but I was scolded that I and Cellcom (I’m in fine company) are creating symmetry between Arabs and Jews. One thing is clear: there wasn’t a gram of attentiveness there. As our Sages already said: when the cannons roar, the muses fall silent.
And all this appeared with a decidedly non-digital homebody like me. I assume that in the expanses of WhatsApp and Facebook, whose paths are not as familiar and accessible to me as the streets of Neharda’a, the situation was much worse. No wonder there were defections from Cellcom and a significant drop in the share price (it will pass, of course). I think that to get a sense of the arguments, it’s best to bring the dialogues here verbatim. I suppose by doing so I can spare quite a few commenters here the expected rants at a leftist traitor like me—though, in my unlearned assessment, it won’t really help.
An Illuminated Conversation
Two preliminary notes: First, several respondents take part in this conversation and they all appear under the nickname “Responder.” Second, I’m convinced the discourse here is moderate, balanced, and substantive compared to discussions that surely took place in other WhatsApp groups around the country. Precisely my esteem for the speakers’ level and my familiarity with them bring me to analyze a bit what happened here.
So here it is:
Me: Friends, I don’t understand the pile-on against Cellcom. Nowhere did I see identification with the Arabs. There was a protest against violence and a call for coexistence. What’s wrong with that?
Non-disclosure: I have no sympathy for Cellcom due to their business conduct. I’m commenting here on the matter itself.
Responder: Do you think it’s just by chance that the protest is exactly on the day of the strike called by the Arab community’s follow-up committee?
Me: Definitely. If only because they aren’t committing business suicide. They issued a clarification about the timing, and I completely believe them.Responder: They issued a clarification after a wave of disconnections and a 1.5% drop in the share.Responder: The share fell by about two percent; estimates speak of a drop of about 100 million NIS in market value in half a trading day.Responder: And in general, all these oh-so-moving protests perpetuate the false narrative of “violence on both sides.” The day there’s a protest of Arabs alone against violence, I’ll be more impressed. Right now I’m busy running with my kids to the safe room.Me: Oh, come on. Of course they issued a clarification after realizing there was a misunderstanding. Do you really think a mass Israeli company—whatever the CEO’s or chair’s views—would take such a suicidal step? Who would even approve him adopting a political stance on an issue about which there’s a very broad Jewish consensus? It’s simply absurd. I’ve no doubt they never thought of identifying with the Arabs. And by the way—without equating—there is violence on both sides. See La Familia.Responder: If that’s the case, why are they the only large company in the Israeli economy that did this? And what is each public’s attitude to the violence on “its” side?Me: Very different. I said I’m not equating.Responder: Aside from two Arab MKs (Freij from Meretz and Abbas from Ra’am) I didn’t hear a denunciation of the acts. You’d think it was raining. But apparently many think it isn’t. And not by chance.Me: Right. I’m not conducting a comparative discussion. This again moves to emotions. I asked about Cellcom, not whether the Arabs are righteous.Responder: Read the wording of the announcement that explains why the strike is being held.Me: I read it at the outset.Here someone posted a comment by Amit Segal—a notorious leftist—on the matter: https://twitter.com/amit_segal/status/1394704413210595331?s=08. Blessed is He who guided me to his expansive opinion.Responder: I respect Amit Segal very much, of course. Bottom line, the company chose a very, very unusual step from my personal point of view, so any consumer boycott of them is, in my eyes, appropriate.Responder: I’ll state my personal view:I’m really not one hundred percent sure it was done specifically on this day because of the Arab strike. And from the wording of the announcement itself, in a vacuum—there’s nothing especially unusual. But even if so, it’s a very great stupidity—stupidity that in the business world costs a lot of money. This statement doesn’t come in a vacuum; it is of course worded to present symmetry or “both sides,” which is also a very great falsehood. Since I know workers’ organizations and HR departments in high-tech companies—I understand where it came from: an attempt to create calm in a mixed organization.Nevertheless, I think that in an era where everything revolves around “sensitivities”: harm to holy places, installing magnetometers, “divisive discourse”—of course usually from one side of the divide—then it’s not so bad if the Jewish majority, justifiably hurt by the situation, is overly sensitive and demands—through the wallet—that various companies choose wisely their wording and steps. Cellcom excels at emotional ads because it knows the public wants an experience. So our experience isn’t good, and we’ll serve it up on a platter.In general, in extreme events I think one should behave extremely—even if there are ricochets from time to time—because usually the message gets across faster and better that way.Responder: Rabbi Michi, look at this image (and here a part of this) that was included as part of the broader message. Don’t you see in it a supposedly “neutral” stance that ignores the fact that there’s one side (mainly) that harms and another side that is harmed?Responder: The call to “both sides” to live in peace essentially lays blame for the current situation on both sides, and in effect beats the breast of the wrong chest. I don’t think any other interpretation can be given to it.Responder: I agree. A call to both sides to stop doesn’t mean both sides were violent in the same way. It means that the small and asymmetric part where there were those who used force on innocents—that too must stop. And of course also, and especially, the violence by many in the Arab sector. But if you ask only the other side to desist and say that what “our” side does is fine—that, in my eyes, is wrong and improper. We are in favor of stopping violence wherever it is. And by the way, stopping violence doesn’t mean peace and coexistence.You can still remember what they did and run a consumer boycott or anything within law and morality, but a call to stop violence must always be two-sided even when there is no symmetryMe: I can’t even see a possibility to interpret it that way, and I think I’m fairly practiced in the field of interpretation. If they were dealing with who’s to blame, I would agree that ignoring the asymmetry is problematic. But when dealing with a call for coexistence, by definition it should be symmetric. It takes two to tango. Do you think they should have called only on Arabs to live in peace with Jews? I ask both on the level of utility (could such a call succeed) and on the substantive level (peace and coexistence are made between two sides).Responder: In my view, a commercial company should preferably not take part in the political discourse. And if at all, I would expect it to strengthen the residents of the south/mixed cities who were harmed by the riots.Me: Even if you were right that this is part of political discourse (and I don’t think it is), then why is strengthening the residents of the south their role? Is a commercial company supposed to strengthen the residents of the south? But in any case these are new claims and they’re not related to the discussion we held.Responder: I’m against a company taking sides, at least until their apology. But I do think that a two-sided call to calm tempers can be okay—although it too becomes problematic when someone from the outside says it. It starts bordering on moral preaching by someone who didn’t feel what happened. But yes, when asking to desist from violence—it must always be two-sidedHere numbers about Cellcom’s share drop were introduced.Responder: What about these numbers (referring to the chart of Cellcom’s share price drop)? Do you still think it’s all incidental?Me: Completely. Those numbers aren’t relevant to the discussion. That’s a confusion between correlation and causation.Now the above ad from Cellcom came in, with a call against extremism and extremists, and Cellcom’s clarifying ad, in which it refers to criticism of it as an act by extremists trying to fan the flames.Me: Indeed those who protested against Cellcom acted extremely and from the gut. That’s an accurate description. I saw the ad, and I sign every word and every frame in that image. Moreover, I myself wanted to initiate an event in this spirit in Lod. Unfortunately I have yet to get an answer from the sheikh I approached (I’ve been in contact with him in the past). Yes, yes, I know this proves everything.I must add that it’s truly bizarre to me that anyone sees anything wrong in such an image. There’s no symmetry here either, because it’s not dealing with the question of who is to blame and who started (=the Arabs, in my view too). What’s being tried here is to look ahead. As they say: don’t be right—be smart. Altogether a reasonable course of action, together with the demand to bring the rioters to justice and together with the demand to draw conclusions and hold our pathetic police to account for the terrible delinquency it showed and still shows. Grown-ups are supposed to weigh their actions also on the scale of outcomes, goals, and utility. And by “weigh,” I appeal to the head, not to the gut and the (justified) feelings of frustration.
In sum, the matter speaks for itself. Cellcom published an innocent ad calling for peaceful coexistence and was immediately accused by right-wing public figures and the wider public that automatically charges after them, of supporting the Arabs’ strike (because of the timing and the content). But there are no bears and no forest. Even with eyes closed and doing a backflip I wouldn’t be able to interpret their innocent ad as supporting the Arabs, and I don’t discern even a trace of “symmetrizing” between Arabs and Jews there. There’s simply no connection (just as there’s no symmetry in my previous column despite the rants in the comments). As I mentioned, I myself thought of such an initiative in Lod during the events, and when I planned what could be said there, it was clear to me that if you want to promote coexistence you must not enter into blame and questions of symmetry, but focus only on the call for coexistence with our faces to the future. That’s exactly what Cellcom did, and they did well. But even if someone thinks they didn’t, or that it stands no chance, the interpretation applied to their ad doesn’t pass any reasonable test. That already belongs to the objective realm.
Still, a Note on Symmetry
Everything I’ve written does not touch on the question of blame. The Arabs who rampaged here were an incited herd, primitive and uncultured. They used brutal violence for ridiculous reasons (Al-Aqsa fabrications and settler hooliganism of various sorts), and those who use violence indeed deserve to be dealt with harshly and, when necessary, to use live fire against them and exact a heavy price. I wrote in the previous column that this is true even when there is no mortal danger, and I absolutely stand by that. And apropos symmetry, there were Jewish savages (La Familia and the like) who also rampaged like a herd of beasts, and they should have been dealt with with the same iron fist—up to live fire and beyond. Therefore those who speak of terror on both sides and the need to deal with it are right. And no, that has nothing to do with symmetry of blame and the question of who started. But one cannot deny that there is unjustified terror and violence on both sides.[1]
The limited symmetry I’ve described here pertains to questions of blame and policy for dealing with the riots. In contrast, when dealing with a call for coexistence and peace, none of this has a place. There symmetry must reign. Coexistence is a decision of two sides (as the word “co-existence” implies). Would you expect a call for coexistence addressed to Arabs alone? Seriously? One can argue that one doesn’t believe in such calls because there’s no chance. That’s legitimate, and perhaps true. But you cannot claim that a call for coexistence must address only one side. That’s simply nonsense.
This isn’t highly complex thinking, yet decidedly intelligent people fail to muster a bit of cool-headedness to understand it, let alone adopt it. People raise irrelevant arguments about symmetry and blame when I didn’t deal with those at all. In fact I wasn’t dealing with the conflict and the riots at all, only with the meaning of Cellcom’s step—no more and no less. But when substantive arguments run out and the anger remains, one shifts to other, unrelated realms in which it’s easy to rant and raise various strange arguments to rally support. That’s an indication of a dialogue of the deaf, where anger blinds the eyes of the wise.
To Understand or to Justify
Another important distinction underlies this discussion. When someone tries to understand the Arabs’ motives and the reasons for their actions (their “narrative”—oh, how I hate that loathsome and despicable term), that doesn’t mean he justifies them, nor even that he is trying to find them justification. But if we want to move toward a solution, there’s great sense in understanding each side’s stance—even if I disagree with it, and even if I think it is the result of cynical and malicious manipulation. In the end I ought to understand what goes through the mind of the one facing me in this conflict so I can conduct myself toward him. But in our stormy days, anyone who tries to understand is a leftist traitor. When you understand that the Arab in front of you genuinely believes you’re shooting at his comrades and conquering Al-Aqsa, you’ll appreciate that you won’t succeed with him by arguments of persuasion and blame. Not because they aren’t true (they are), but because it simply cannot work.
And despite that, and perhaps precisely because of it, in the initiative I was considering for joint activity for coexistence in Lod, I decided not to lend my hand to voicing the two sides’ narratives, since that’s not constructive at all. The bean-bag circles in Rabin Square where people babble about everyone’s narratives (Arabs and Jews, left and right) have never helped anyone. I’m among those who decidedly champion truth and clarifying blame, and I’m not willing to yield to any narrative. But precisely because of that, the practical question can and should be conducted without reference to those narratives. In my view the Arabs are the villains in this story—already for a century. They incite and are incited; they murder; they possess a violent culture inward and outward; they invent fictional narratives (which also exist to some extent among us); and of course they never miss an opportunity to miss opportunities and then whine and demand that others solve their problems for them. All that, in my opinion, is entirely true. And still, forward-looking activity to create coexistence, even in the short term, if it has any chance at all (I’m not sure), requires ignoring all that. I can think the one across from me is entirely to blame, but if the only way to move forward is to try to talk on the practical level (what do we do from here on), then a grown-up ought to try to move forward that way. Again, one can dispute and say there’s no chance—and that’s a legitimate position. But if someone thinks there is some chance, it’s only reasonable he take that path. Criticizing him for ignoring questions of blame and asymmetry is irrelevant.
Game Theory
Many voices are now heard (mainly from the left, but not only from there)[2] about our duty at this time to honestly examine the condition of the Arabs and discrimination against them: dealing with the weapons issue, access to education and employment, building permits and solutions, and so on. Whoever ignores the existence of these aspects is burying his head in the sand. They undoubtedly exist. There are excellent reasons for this: starting with the fact that they are our enemies (and I mean most of them, not a small minority) and have been trying to eliminate us (and themselves) for over a hundred years; continuing with the fact that they don’t contribute much to solving the problems beyond whining about discrimination and a lack of loyalty to a state that, all told, treats them kindly and with notable noblesse (despite the inequality, their lives here are far better than in any Arab state in the region).
So what do we do? Again, we must separate the question of blame from the question of practical action with a forward look. They are entirely to blame for their situation. And still, if there’s any chance to change it, it depends on our ability to disengage from questions of blame and responsibility. We certainly must tell them the responsibility to cooperate lies on them, but at the same time we should try to set this process in motion. In my estimation, that’s in all our interests.
And here’s the flip side of the coin. In my view it’s decidedly wrong to do all this now. Following the riots that occurred here, it would be a mistake to give them achievements. That would only incentivize them to riot whenever they want to obtain something. This is true for Israel’s Arabs, for Hamas in Gaza, and for the Arabs of Judea and Samaria. All of these tend to riot instead of taking constructive steps, and it’s important to teach them clearly and resolutely that this doesn’t work (though unfortunately it definitely does work; the Arabs understood long ago that Israel understands only force, and they’re entirely right). Therefore the conclusion from everything I wrote above is not that now we should go solve the equality problems and the other problems of Israel’s Arabs. On the contrary—now we must do nothing except deal with every riot with a firm and decisive hand. When the fury passes and days of calm and peace arrive, then will be the time to improve their situation. In the next outbreak, if it occurs, we must exact a heavy price in the very currency of those achievements themselves—that is, to roll the situation back in a very clear way. Stick and carrot.
So too with Gaza. There, in my opinion, both the left and the right are wrong. The left always “contains” and thinks that improving their situation will improve ours. The right, by contrast, thinks a consistently firm hand will improve ours. But in my view both are wrong. As I understand it, we can and should give Gaza sweeping benefits—from a port to a power station to industry and whatever they want. But the moment rockets are fired, all of that must be destroyed without hesitation. Certainly it’s not right to give them the bribe of Qatari cash (from our strong and resolute right-wing leader), and hush money in the form of gains they receive after every violent round. That’s a tried-and-true recipe that will bring on the next round.
All this is so simple—really game theory for kids—that I’m embarrassed I need to say and explain it. But the fact is that there is no political body whose policy this is, at least not in practice. Our political, security, and law-enforcement bodies seek quiet in the short term, and thereby purchase noise in the long term. When public fury arises they deploy unfocused and ineffective force, but there is no carrot alongside it. Moreover, that force is not actually applied resolutely, since there’s no desire to break the vessels. It is also applied continuously (the blockade on Gaza), and at the same time there are attempts at bribery and appeasement to placate anger and wrath. There’s no clear causal link between the stick and the carrot and the conduct of the other side (the sitra achra). The rational way is to apply brutal force—a “bludgeoning stick”—when needed, and to give a big, sweet “carrot” in the regular course of things. Let them have something to lose, and let there be a causal link between their conduct and what they receive from us.
This is true for all the fronts on which we confront the Arabs (and in fact also for internal fronts among us), and we pay a heavy price for the absence of this policy. We were told during the disengagement from Gaza and the flight from Lebanon that the moment they raise their heads we’ll annihilate everyone with an atom bomb, since now they have something to lose. But in the end we never do it. Those promises are opium for the angry and frustrated Israeli masses, but those facing us understand this well. When there’s only a stick or only a carrot, or when there’s no clear causal link between the stick and the carrot and the conduct on the ground, that is a policy that leads to ruin. A properly applied stick-and-carrot approach, in my view, will bring the greatest gains and also save casualties on both sides in the long run, despite the difficulty in the short run.
I already addressed all this in column 149. It’s practically a mathematical result. Neither the left’s policy nor the right’s can really work. I think by now we’re seasoned by experience, and this thesis is well corroborated empirically. I’m fully aware that our stubborn reality doesn’t always obey mathematical rules (see columns 50 and 318). But mathematical truths carry important weight, and even if in reality they’re not certain, they’re at least worth trying. So far we haven’t done so.
For our purposes, granting achievements to Arabs following the riots would be a great mistake. On the contrary, we must make it very clear that riots are met with a firm hand and set us all back. But at the same time enhanced governance alone will not bring the desired quiet either. Neither the right’s policy nor the left’s can work. In my estimation the only policy with any chance (though certainly not a probability of 1) is to give Arabs, in day-to-day life, equal treatment and as great a sense of partnership as possible, and assistance in solving the sector’s problems—and together with that, a firm hand and decisive treatment (including rolling back some of the gains achieved) when riots occur. This is mandated from a humanistic and democratic perspective, but it’s also tactically effective in advancing our shared life here. Seemingly a measure of unalloyed virtues, but for some reason it has yet to be tried in our quarters.
I suppose there’s no need now to explain why this section doesn’t contradict the previous ones. I am entirely in favor of an iron hand against rioters and also in favor of improving the lot of Israel’s Arabs—but each thing in its measure and in its time. This integrated (but by no means contradictory) policy is, in my view, the only one with any chance of moving us forward. The problematic fecklessness of Israel’s police and government regarding the events that took place here (as I described in the previous column) now takes on added significance. It’s not because only a firm hand will bring the desired solution. The firm hand is just one of the necessary sides, but each side is essential to the whole process. The absence of any one of them will topple it. But I have no doubt that none of this will actually happen. Those potential headless ones will continue to serve here and do nothing—and even if by chance they do something, none of it will be in the right direction.
On the Side: The Meaning of Theology
During my nighttime wanderings in our neighborhood (the neighborhood patrols for self-defense), I got to talk with a few fellows who came as volunteers to help with the watches. One of them quoted to me something a certain rabbi wrote, in which he gets to the root of the matter (and there are many like him). He explained that in Islamic sources there is no possibility of accepting foreign rule over Muslims. That’s at most a temporary state, but in the end Jews are supposed to live under oppressive Muslim rule and be their tributaries. Therefore, he claimed, there is no real solution to this conflict, and whoever thinks otherwise ignores explicit sources in Islam. Since this is a widespread and very persuasive argument against attempts at interim arrangements or solutions at all, I thought it proper to touch on it and explain a point that’s very easy to miss.
Many times I’ve seen critiques of various religions that use quotations from their authoritative sources. For this discussion I’ll ignore the phenomenon of selective quotations and taking things out of context, which is of course very common in such debates. I’ll also ignore ridiculous difficulties about contradictions and “refutations,” which are no less present on the critic’s side (only there he’s empathic enough to look for excuses).[3] Here I want to speak about the significance of sources in religious conduct as such. Think of an Arab analyzing the conduct of Jews, and telling his comrades that in halakhic sources there are very clear rulings about banning sale of homes to gentiles, saving a gentile’s life on Shabbat, the branches of lo techonem, etc. He tells them that even if for now Jews act differently, those are merely constraints of reality. When their hand is strong they will implement their halakhic directives. Therefore one mustn’t trust them and there’s no chance of reaching a lasting arrangement with them.
What would you say to him? I suppose some of you would agree with him, and for them it really is a temporary “hudna.” But in my estimation most sages of Israel aren’t there. Whether they admit it openly or not, most understand that in our world it’s not right to behave that way. This is a world different from the rabbinic world, and even staunch Orthodox will admit there is room and need for halakhic reforms when applying the law’s directives here. In practice, I’m quite convinced, even if our hand is strong and there is no fear of the wicked gentiles (who expect us to save their lives, heaven forfend), the halakhic mechanisms that neutralize those directives in practice will remain in force. The explanations will vary. Some will be more straightforward (such as Rabbi Unterman in his well-known essay on saving a gentile because of “ways of peace,” or my own approach that relies on the Meiri’s argument regarding gentiles bound by the civilized norms of the nations), and some will be crooked explanations by rabbis unwilling to admit the reformist dimensions that exist in their halakhah. The common denominator is that I’m convinced most decisors will rule to desecrate Shabbat—even via biblically prohibited labors—to save a gentile, head-on against the Talmudic law. Most will also say that gentiles should be allowed to live among us, irrespective of the laws of a resident alien (Rav Kook already waived the formal acceptance of the seven Noahide laws before three and appointed all gentiles to be resident aliens without any fault of their own).
What does this mean? That there is an inherent gap between theoretical sources and implementation on the ground. And again, not only a gap born of constraints. It’s an inherent gap between theory and practice. No religion actually operates in practice as its authoritative sources instruct—not even Judaism. And I assume the same holds for Islam. Spokesmen for Islam who try to explain this always encounter criticism that they’re “pretty-please dancers” trying to impress the West (sound familiar?). But I actually believe them. One must remember that in every religion there are fundamentalists who try to drag us back to the sources and erase the gap between the theoretical sources and practical conduct. In the name of honesty and fidelity to the faith, they demand the honor of the sources and their non-implementation in practice, and for most rabbis it’s very hard to tell them straightforwardly that there’s no interest in erasing that gap (thus the need for crooked excuses or turning a blind eye to the arguments). But the truth is that there is an inherent gap—because life is stronger than all of us, and it’s very good that way. Theories aren’t meant to be implemented one-to-one, but to provide a conceptual framework, inspiration, and a direction for practical application.
I believe that as with Judaism, so with Islam. It’s very easy for us to judge Islam in light of its sources, and when similar criticism is raised about us we explain that things were taken out of context, that these are laws “for messianic times,” and that today we don’t apply them. So apparently with them as well. Therefore I’m not entirely despaired of the chance to make progress in coexistence even in the long term. With all due respect to learned explanations about Islamic sources, after exercising force with stick and carrot, I believe there’s a chance (not a certainty, of course) that Islam will have to adapt itself to reality despite those sources. Already today there are moderate interpreters of Islam—heard less among us, to my regret—but they are clearly possible interpretations. They have a rotten culture (to some extent present among us too), where fundamentalist elements set the tone and are those heard in public discourse. But there are many other voices there, and it’s a pity we tend to ignore them.
The War of Propaganda and Consciousness
These days a war over consciousness is beginning. Each side tries to present its truth (its narrative?) regarding who is to blame, who started, whether there is or isn’t symmetry, who rioted, who fired live rounds, whether there are also Jewish extremists/rioters, and so on. And indeed this is an important war, for the lies disseminated in this area would not shame Goebbels.
I’ve already said that in my eyes the Arabs are to blame. They started; they are far more violent and far less in the right; they are incited over ridiculous pretexts; and their eastern imagination creates pictures that never were, declaimed as if they had seen them with their own eyes. I wrote that in my view they should have been dealt with (and the Jewish rioters) with a strong hand and live fire. And after I’ve said that, I’ll add that a propaganda war, by its nature, justifies lies from all sides. And yes, there were rioters and violent people also on the Jewish side, and evading recognition of those ugly phenomena is no less mistaken and no less harmful than the leftists’ ignoring the question of blame and asymmetry. Yes, one may hold a “patriotic” view that we are the most right and the most moral—together with self-critique. That’s allowed and desirable. Incidentally, I think it also inspires more trust and therefore is useful practically. There is no duty to present a black-and-white picture—because the picture isn’t such—and in my opinion, generally speaking, it’s also not really useful. Once you’re caught in a side-lie, they won’t accept from you even the big truth (see Rashi on Eve and the serpent—touching and eating). As I understand it, it’s better to insist on the truth and not spread “holy lies” (see column 21). It’s easy and tempting, but I think it’s less effective and certainly less right and proper.
In the moral context, I was just sent an excellent post by Hagai Meshgav, he too a known leftist, dealing with the moral drifts of the conflict and the narratives bound up with it. Very much worth reading.
A Dessert Tidbit: The Ad of the “Arab Public Representatives in Lod”
To conclude, I’ll connect in some way to what I wrote at the start of the previous column about social networks, their influence, and the proper attitude toward them. As part of the propaganda war discussed in the previous section, this morning I received on WhatsApp a report published on the Rotter site (the cognoscenti told me it’s not the pinnacle of reliability, and that certainly matches what I thought), telling that “the Arab public representatives in Lod” published a list of outrageous demands of the government following the recent riots. Signed at the bottom: “The People’s Committee – Lod.” It was something like: expelling the “settlers” from the city; collecting weapons (of course only from them, not from the Arabs); prosecuting them (so far the police seem quite good at that—there are three Jews who were involved in the shooting of the Arab at the start of the riots on Monday who were jailed and, if I understood correctly, are apparently slated to stand trial. See about this case here); improving the Arabs’ conditions; and a boycott of anyone who doesn’t cooperate with these demands.
Needless to say, WhatsApp is boiling again. True, there’s no one to boycott, unlike in the case of Cellcom (actually one could avoid buying from Arabs and avoid their services), but now it’s clear to everyone that a firm hand is needed here and that the arms of those representatives—may their names be erased—and the public that chose them must be cut off. If these are the words of the authorized representatives, then obviously there is no other solution.
Surely you won’t be surprised to hear that I, the notorious tub-cooler, wrote in response to the call the following:
I must ask again: who are these representatives? Who appointed them? In whose name are they speaking? It reminds me of the pashkevilim on the walls of Meah Shearim in the name of “all the great sages of the generation,” or news items that quote “the great rabbis of Religious Zionism,” “the eldest of the kabbalists,” “the Almighty’s representative in Central Asia,” and the like.
And no, I don’t intend to justify or understand, nor to deny that this is a prevailing mood among the Arabs. I only intend to put things in proportion and remind whoever needs it how we’re supposed to relate to news items and viral announcements on social networks. There is a known fallacy of quick and complete adoption of baseless “news” simply because it falls on a matching background (thus right-wingers will explain there was a council of Arab elders in Lod who issued the above announcement, and the elders of the left will explain that what’s described here is exactly how things are). And I was young and I have grown old, and I’m careful not to count myself among those elders and to lay my hand also from those elders. Both are the living words of bias.
In Bnei Brak, when I lived there, a joke went around about papers with the logo “Institutions of the Weisskvess Hasidic Court” or “Institutions of the Paths of Zerubbabel,” where the unfortunate fellow spent his last money on a stamp and now has no money left even for a table. No choice—now the poor man has to go back to kollel.
Time will tell (perhaps) whether there’s any substance to this report and what the real representatives say. I’m sure they don’t say this and certainly not in this tone. And even if by chance they did say all this, it won’t actually be implemented. But we shall wait and see.
After writing these things (I deliberately left them as they were), I must honestly confess that just now I received a reply from the sheikh I approached (in the above initiative), and he confirmed that these are indeed representatives and that the sector largely agrees with the words (at least in his opinion—I wasn’t impressed that they are truly elected representatives). And still, from the very reading of the pamphlet one couldn’t draw those conclusions. Beyond that, I also think that in practice this is not what will be reflected on the ground in the future. Again—we shall wait and see.
[1] Yes, these are the words of that Kobi Shabtai—the pitiable police commissioner responsible for this failure—and the minister over him, no less pitiful, who criticized him for it (see here). In a normal country the heads of those two wretches would long since have been cut off (legally and publicly) in the town square.
[2] See, for example, this fawning and oh-so-typical interview with retired Justice Elyakim Rubinstein (the facts are known: most legal reporters in Israel work for the judicial system; they suffer from blind admiration and are totally devoid of critical sense), who badly falls into this mistake.
[3] I’ve mentioned here before an article in Tzohar in which a chapter was published from a book where Rav Tzvi Yehuda (Kook) critiques Christianity. It was really a book for not-very-gifted children. He ignores the fact that those “refutations” are found a thousand-fold among us, and attacks them in light of sources from our Torah. One of my friends called the book that was then about to appear (and in the meantime I’ve seen it came out): The New Testament with the Glosses of Rav Tzvi Yehuda.
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I agree with the spirit of the words, but I agree with the ”respondent”: Of course, Cellcom did not intend to express support for the riots, but the language and action they took (protest/strike) are associated with Arab and leftist images, especially at this time.
(It is interesting to mention the leftist “Standing Together” movement, which is also branded with the color purple – and Cellcom's signs with these slogans look exactly the same)
It is reasonable and healthy to give them a slap on the nose (especially since it is not some kind of regulation or fine, but a small consumer protest), if only other companies would learn their lesson.
And in a broader context – the matter reminds me of the Gillette toxic masculinity ad affair – And if there's anything that's truly revolting, it's commercial companies that engage in virtue signaling with political issues (especially those that aren't on my side). Therefore, it's another matter to immediately punish any company that resorts to such a political channel.
I just want to point out that Cellcom wasn't really that badly hit by this storm. Their stock went back up and the fall wasn't that big either. Even a week ago they had a bigger fall and they were in a worse position than they are now a month ago. In short, neither a stock fall nor a collapse.
Some comments:
A. You haven't innovated much – always in articles like this the generic writer will say and write: the Arabs are bad and to blame for the situation etc. etc. *but* the Jews should be good.. blah blah blah
B. Cellcom is a mixed body – maybe even an Arab majority of telephone operators. And they knew in advance – at least the night before.. that there would be a strike and many would not come to work, so instead of postponing the "coexistence demonstration" (the stupid and perverse one) they combined it with the strike. (They probably had a night meeting about it the day before) – They made a mistake in their decision from a public perspective [because of the widespread backlash] and probably decided that it was worth giving up a few thousand? customers over a few Arab telephone operators who are hard to recruit.
C. This is related to the fact that the Israeli left-wing / ==Celcom root for this discussion, prefers "Eat and drink, because tomorrow we will die" [or we will escape at the last second with the Portuguese passport] over the Israeli right-wing /==Kahana root that the solution needs to be solved now [Transfer]. Everything else is in the middle [the moderate right to talk about the problem in order to reach a solution and the moderate left/center to ignore and order another movie on Netflix/reach temporary solutions [disengagement/2 states/Hayitz zone and other nonsense..]
D. We all know that "coexistence" is a stupid and *temporary* concept just like the stupid concept of "round" until the big war that will come in due time
E. It is worth putting a few entries in the quotes from WhatsApp. [If only for the respect of the readers]
If I understand correctly, you are interested in creating a dialogic activity (not symmetrical) in Lod.
Do you know the activity of my daughter – Rivka Leon Zada in this regard?
https://www.facebook.com/zadaer/posts/4361011407254967
I don't know. This is exactly what I wanted to initiate and for exactly the same reasons, and unfortunately the aforementioned sheikh did not answer me. Today we already corresponded and it turned out to my astonishment (because he is a moderate man) that there is not much to talk about, at least at this time. I mentioned this at the end of the column. If there is an activity that I can contribute to - I would be happy to. But I will not participate in a call by Jews and Arabs that is signed only by Jews.
A not-so-long video by Ilan Galon (Meretz) and Dr. Mordechai Keider (Mizrachan) on the question of the appropriate treatment of Hamas in the context of Islam.
https://youtu.be/HKRK2-EcjpA
Your comment about the gap between the ideas in the scriptures and their realization in life is very interesting, as a gap that exists in the two religions. I always thought that our having an oral Torah mechanism facilitates this adjustment, whereas a fundamentally fundamentalist religion, such as Islam, does not have this mechanism and therefore appears as it does. But perhaps there are mechanisms of an “oral Torah” for Muslims as well. Who knows? I remember once hearing a fascinating description from Dr. Mordechai Kedar, a well-known orientalist, about some Muslim marriage customs that were adapted to the reality in which male and female students go to study at universities in other countries, and Islam offers them a kind of temporary marriage, or something like that (I say from memory). In any case, if that is the case, the reality seems more optimistic than it is, at first glance.
First of all, they definitely have an oral Torah. This is the root of the dispute between the Sunnah and the Shia, and unfortunately we are surrounded by Sunnis. But in my opinion, there is no real need for a Toshva. There is common sense and healthy pragmatism, and I think it is also found in religions without a Toshva (perhaps this is their Toshva itself). Anyone who has the responsibility takes upon themselves the authority to interpret and adapt the principles to reality. This is how a significant part of our Toshva was born. I suppose I don't need to convince you that the Toshva that came down from Sinai (and I also think that there was something like that) is a completely minor matter. Everything developed later. As I wrote, reality is stronger than all of us, and it is very good that it is so. Childish and rigid ideologies are very dangerous and usually exist in the Beit Midrash and not on the street. There are factions that are trying to get them out on the street (the Hill Boys, ISIS, and more), but the main currents are pragmatic. Baal’batim, in the positive and vital sense of the word.
Incidentally, there is also an opposite phenomenon (I think I wrote about it once): radicalization as a result of the influence of the street on halacha. For example, honor killing. I have already heard from several Muslim scholars that it has no basis in Muslim halacha. This is an Arab custom that has become intertwined in Arab Muslim culture and has become part of halacha (at least in the eyes of the Baal’batim). The same thing happens with us (such as various principles related to the status of women).
I am indeed more optimistic than Kadir (the later one. And less than the early Kadir).
I did read an article about Islam once that pointed out the foreign elements that had been introduced into it from the culture of the desert tribes, the murderers, the primitive robbers who lived by their swords.
I didn't know there was an early and a late in Kidar!
Kedar was a leftist (Oz veShalom or Netivot Shalom) until he sobered up.
The healthy disengagers from Cellcom understand the simplest of all - we are still in a war of survival. All the Arabs striking "against violence from all sides" are the enemy, all those whining about deprivation are the enemy. Their justifications - as many as there are and there always will be - are not interesting as long as they are the enemy. Even such an innocent strike with such a romantic call for love and brotherhood, peace and good, is - consciously or unconsciously - strengthening the enemy and weakening us. It's really simple, and that's why the masses who are not as sophisticated as Rubinstein, the wrinkled forehead, the tortuous Minister of Justice, understand this.
Imagine a person seeing someone rape someone and during the rape he gives a speech extolling the importance of controlling sexual urges. Even if the content of his speech is such that I agree with every word of it – my conclusion will be that the woman being raped is not the speaker's daughter, nor his sister or his acquaintance, and he does not care about her at all. The verbal discussion of Cellcom's announcement – whether one can agree with every word of it or not – is a lack of understanding of Cellcom's conduct and of social conduct in general.
If it's not clear: the subject of the speech is the person watching, not the rapist.
In the month of Sivan, 2017
It is impossible to speak of a unified position of ‘Islam’, just as it is impossible to speak of a unified position of ‘Judaism’. In both, by contrast, there is a variety of opinions on the question of how firm one should act and how patient one should act. We need to understand who the teachers of the halakhah of the school we are dealing with are,
Not the Italian qadi Abd al-Hadi Fallac’, who advocates a positive attitude towards the State of Israel, like Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who believes in strict adherence to the rule of law in Western countries, but is an enthusiastic supporter of a war on terror against Israel and the US. And not the northern faction of the ‘Islamic Movement in Israel, which advocates non-compromise with the State of Israel, and the southern faction, founded by Sheikh’ Abdullah Nimr Darwish (Mansour Abbas's rabbi), which demands obedience to the law in the State of Israel within the Green Line, but recognizes the right of the Palestinians in the ’Occupied Territories’ to fight the power of the grandson of the Zionist occupier..
The different approaches can find anchorage in the leadership of Muhammad, who on the one hand fought a war of extermination or expulsion against the Jewish tribes in Mecca and Medina, and on the other allowed tolerance towards non-Muslim monotheists who are not at war with Muslims. In Muhammad's precedent, we are talking about ‘protégés’ Under Muslim rule, however, Qaradawi also applies this principle to Western countries, which in his opinion will be conquered in the "ways of peace and tranquility" through preaching and natural reproduction. Sheikh Darwish also applies this principle to the State of Israel within the "Green Line".
Regarding the riots by Israeli Arabs, it is clearly evident from the complete timing with the missile attacks by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and it is clear that the rioters' perception is that a jihad must be waged against the State of Israel until it is destroyed, and there is no point in talking to them.
However, it is certainly clear that not all of the Arab public in Israel identifies with Hamas or Fatah. There are quite a few followers of Darwish, who support obedience to the law within the Green Line, and perhaps there are also those of the type of Abd al-Hadi Fallachi who support the State of Israel as a ‘kingdom of mercy’ that allows Arabs to live freely and safely according to their religion.
Dialogue, preferably discreet, with moderate religious figures – will not calm the organizers of the riots. Against them, only a heavy hand will help, but it may remove from the circle of rioters and their supporters the followers of the more moderate religious figures. And the minority of rioters – is also an achievement.
In short: we need to know, with regard to each group in the Arab public, what the position of the ‘teachers of halakhah’ who guide it is.
With regards, Shams Razel Al-Fanjar, Qubat al-Najma
By the way, the distinction made by Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish between the Green Line, where the law must be obeyed, and the Occupied Territories, where violent resistance is appropriate, explained to me why the Council of Religious Leaders of the Palestinian Authority condemned MK Mansour Abbas's condemnation of the murder of soldier Yehuda Guetta. After all, his murder was in the Occupied Territories, where violent resistance cannot be condemned.
Regarding the Shiites, it should be noted that they also have an "oral Torah," and today, after the rise of Khomeini, a significant portion of the Shiites are more extreme than the Sunnis.
Paragraph 2, line 6
… To fight with force against the ‘Zionist occupier’.
It should be noted that, in contrast to the neutral position of the company ‘Celcom’ (as a ‘Selc UN::) –, the President of Tel Aviv University, Prof. ’ Ariel Porat, ‘took a side’ clearly, stating: ‘The fact that Jews cannot walk safely through the heart of a city – is outrageous, but the harm to Arabs – is doubly serious, because they are a minority, which we have a duty to protect!’
Ben Porat Ariel 🙂
With best wishes, Yerachmiel Fish”l Azrieli
On the 9th of Sivan, 2021
It seems that the riots of Dahidna are alluded to in the song of Deborah: ‘In the midst of riots in Israel, by volunteering with the people – May God bless you, that there will be riots in Israel, in which protection will not come from the security forces and the Israel Police, but salvation will come from the volunteers among the people ’ 🙂
With blessings, Yerachmiel Fish’l Halevi Azrieli
And if Cellcom (and other cellular companies) can do to prevent disturbances, it is: block the cell phones of the rioters and instigators. The Shin Bet will intercept the cell phones of the rioters. Examining their calls will lead investigators to the instigators, and their phones will be disconnected.
Of course, this requires close cooperation between the cell companies and the security forces and support from the law enforcement system. I would like to thank my Israeli legislators who will volunteer for this easy and deterrent action.
Best regards, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel
In parallel with dealing with rioters and instigators with a heavy hand, Minister Michael Biton, in his role as Minister of Social Equality, will work to improve the economic and social situation of the Arab population, and Itamchi Gavra, as head of the Yeruham Council, also ensured the establishment of a settlement for the neighboring Bedouin tribe, the Rahma.
Even as Minister of Civil and Social Affairs in the Ministry of Defense, Biton will be able to help, in coordinating the needs of Arab society with the needs of the security forces, with the aim that assistance to improve the situation of the population will not conflict with the control of security with a strong and firm hand. The stick will be combined with the carrot.
With best wishes, Ben-Zion Yohanan Korinaldi-Rardetzki
And in conclusion:
The situation is very complex. On the one hand, a tough and aggressive hand is needed against the rioters and instigators, the emissaries of the terrorist organizations that wish to destroy us, and on the other hand, a sincere effort is needed to improve the situation of the Arab population, while encouraging those who are willing to maintain law and order. The Arabs may not come to love us very much, but the feeling that under democratic rule in the State of Israel their lives will be better and safer - is enough to encourage many to behave appropriately.
Best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner
Your attempt to present symmetry between the Jewish rioters and the Arabs is a kind of misrepresentation (and also a kind of self-righteousness and purity). There are no "riots" here at all. There is a war between two peoples and that is it (at least in the eyes of La Familia. You can disagree with their opinion, but it is legitimate. It is quite clear to me that this is what the Arab public, for the most part, thinks about the issue). Every individual of a people is responsible for the actions of the people to which they belong (and even the actions of individuals from their own people) unless they protest and disown the actions of their own people and even do everything in their power to eradicate evil from among them. And if they cannot, then they flee from the rest of their people or break away from them into a separate entity. There was no disavowal here by the absolute majority of the leaders of the Arab people. And if there are "riots" among the Jews, it is in response or in revenge for those among the Arabs. It was not just a disturbance. They perceive that there is a war between two peoples and if one of the peoples attacks part of the population then the other side can attack part of the other people's population even if they physically did not participate in the original attack as an act of retaliation. My only problem with the people of La Familia is that this is something the government should do and not private individuals (like Ben Gurion did a revenge attack). But it is a law of nature that if the government does not create this kind of deterrence then there will be private individuals who will do it.
According to your method, there is symmetry between Jews and Arabs –
If this is a war and everyone is responsible for the actions of their people and it is justified to take revenge in any form, then one can always attribute (rightly) any crime to revenge for something the other side did in the past. Since there has already been 100 years of conflict between Jews and Arabs in the Land of Israel, there is plenty of things to take revenge on until the end of all generations.
Ostensibly, one can argue that the justice of war is determined until the end of all generations or the destruction of one of the sides according to the first one who started it, that is, if we explain the events of 1911 in the conventional way – that the Arabs erupted in casual hatred towards Jews, it seems that the Arabs are always guilty
But if it turns out (for the sake of discussion) that in 1911 (or before) there was a Jew who beat an Arab (and then they took revenge on that Jew or other Jews and the Arabs in response took revenge on the Jews in riots) then all Jews from then until now are guilty and deserve revenge.
In general, according to this approach, every person who has ever murdered someone is a worthy cause for an endless series of revenges between great nations (unless you expect the relatives of the murdered to accept his murder as revenge, understanding that he was murdered in response to a murder committed by another person from the same nation).
In principle, yes. And whoever started it is the culprit. But one must always consider whether the action of the individual represented the letter and nation of the Almighty. Nor is the collective always a nation. It could be a family or a clan or a community or a tribe. Each case is unique. And the collective within which the criminal individual lives must be given an opportunity to hand him over to the other collective (to whom the crime was committed) to bring him to justice. In light of all this, it can be safely said that the Arabs are almost always guilty.
I remind you, by the way, of the story of the concubine on the hill where the tribe of Benjamin was almost destroyed for the murder of one woman because it refused to turn over the murderous townspeople. And how the tribe came to protect the residents of that town. It's a classic case.
And even the tzaddikim of the rabbis (leftists of the Jewish People)
He wanted to say: The tzaddikim of the (Arabs) …
Congratulations to those who successfully (even if barely) completed the course “Game Theory for Children”.
Welcome to the course “Game Theory for Big Kids”.
Lesson #1.
Any proper game analysis of social interaction begins with assumptions that allow for a precise definition (as much as possible) of the parameters, variables, players, action spaces, and their objective functions. Each assumption must be justified (preferably empirically).
Lesson #2.
A player's objective function is usually his private information. However, sometimes in situations of “repeated games” it can be reconstructed on the basis of “revealed preferences”. Hence, Abba Eban's witty saying about the Palestinians who "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" is useful for Foreign Ministry cocktails, but in serious game analysis, it must be assumed that the repeated "misses" indicate that the player is actually striving to maximize a different objective function than the one we mistakenly attributed to him.
In this context, it is worth remembering that one should be careful not to fall for witty catchphrases, sharp arguments, and brilliant jokes. None of these are guarantees of truth. On the contrary, "most of the pushers are true, although most of the intellectuals and inventions are false, and they cover the face of the truth and cause their owners to hold onto the lie in the teachings of God, because it is bad in their eyes to admit the truth and abandon their sharpness, and this is what stumbles under the hand of the sharp ones." (Response Hatam Sofer Kovetz Teshuvot, Section 2).
Lesson No. 3.
Rebbe Michi extended his answer to the “laws of life” by revealing the Torah in an incorrect manner in the “walking among the standing” section (Aish, and do not be satisfied with pleasure, and keep your soul from the mouth of deceit). But, let us assume that, as he says, the law of Halacha is like plasticine in the hand of a player (according to the law), the implication of this on Sharia is an impressive anti-logical leap. The Islamic “laws of life” have given rise to the Hashishion, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and more in the last 1,500 years. There may be some "pragmatic" scholars who believe that reforms in the Sharia can be made (are they still alive?), but as far as I know, no reform movement, or even a "Koknik", "Mizrokhnik" or "Late" movement has ever arisen in Islam.
Moreover, all those who advocate "halakhic dynamics" while pretending (sincerely or not) to be orthodox, admit that there is no point in talking about changes in the principles of faith. (For example, in the unity of God, Torah from heaven, and the like). Although jihad is not one of the five pillars of Islam (“Arkhan al-Islam”), except in the teachings of some esoteric Islamic groups, this is because the five pillars of Islam are all “commandments on the individual” while jihad is a “commandment on the public”. There is no Islamic sect that does not see jihad as a fundamental and important commandment, and there is no Islamic sect that justifies permanent peace with the ”infidels” and giving up the sacred waqf land.
Lesson No. 4.
Games are divided into games with full information and games with partial and asymmetric information. In games of the latter type, the model of “signaling games” is very common. The side with the informational advantage tries to exploit its advantage by transmitting signals to the opponent, some true and some false. In Islam, techniques such as ”exacerbation” and especially ”taqiyyah”, the use of tongue twisters and lip service to deceive the ”infidels” are accepted. For example, the Quran states: “”Serious circumstances may oblige Muslims to appease infidels as a precaution, even if they appear to be violators of Islam” (Surah 16:106), or “Allah will not test your senseless oaths, but the intentions of your hearts” (Surah 2:225). Therefore, one should be wary of the incantations of the ’enlightened” sheikhs.
Advanced thesis: Review Mikhi's column above, and point out his failures in the game analysis he proposed for the Jewish-Arab conflict in the Land of Israel in light of the material taught in the course “Game Theory for Older Children”.
Permissible auxiliary material: The wise words of Dr. Mordechai Keider (for those who guess among the people – he is not me…) in the video attached above by the commenter “Heber”.
Good luck. See you at the “Game Theory for Youth” course.
Rabbi Mordechai, A’Mechia. I already thought you forgot that there was an option to write in a matter-of-fact way. And yet, even though you tried to be matter-of-fact, and I really appreciate it, anger probably still doesn't allow you to speak in a matter-of-fact way. But it's definitely an improvement and I encourage you. Continue on this path and I'm sure you'll improve. So with a mouthful of dirt (following your heartfelt wishes) I say to you: Go to the Torah.
I'll start from the end. Anyone who has not successfully passed the Children's Play Theory course cannot move on to the course for older children or teenagers, and certainly not teach them. I'm sorry, but you have to come back on time and then appear here again. And yes, I know that it's somehow related to your field of study, which greatly strengthens my diagnosis regarding the anger that blinds the eyes of experts. I was very impressed by the professional terminology you use, so I will add another warning to the author's well-founded warning against being carried away by pearls of speech and glosses and refinements: One must be careful not to be carried away by professional jargon. Under this cloak, there are many people who talk nonsense, including experts in these fields. In the collection of nonsense written by Mordechai here, dear children, you will see a great example of this.
That's it. We have finished the methodological introduction and prerequisites. Now some tips for the second term.
Lesson No. 1.
All the nonsense written here is an attempt to impress you (by the way, a very typical attempt by frustrated experts trying to show that no one else can speak in their field. Tried and tested). It is very easy to refer to a sentence written in a popular column and claim that the professional work required in a professional article in these fields was not done. So it seems to me that Mordechai's statement also suffers from the same flaw. But unlike him, I don't let anger blind me, and therefore I won't criticize him for the lack of professionalism in a few sentences written online. He could also have directed this criticism at Johnny Oman, who says such sentences in the media without presenting all the parameters and defining the objective functions. Nonsense.
Lesson No. 2.
A fallacious assumption that an actor never acts contrary to his own goals. This is a tautology that has already been addressed in several of my previous columns. Complete nonsense, of course, as any layman can understand.
Surprisingly, after the impressive opening, I expected a wonderful professional analysis of the situation to come that would put me on my misguided mistakes. But while my mouth was full of dirt and my singing was like a sea of waves, I realized to my amazement that this was probably where Mordechai's rushed course in game theory ended. For some reason, he didn't claim anything in it except tossing impressive professional terminology into the air to show off his excessive knowledge of the field. (By the way, this is really a pretty poor attempt, since he chose terminology that even my little, layman ego is well-acquainted with).
Lesson No. 3.
The overwhelming body of evidence for the goodness of Islam simply ignores a very large number of moderate Muslims. It's easy to wave at ISIS and Al Qaeda, since that's all we hear about all the time. But before game theory, it seems to me that one should finish first-grade arithmetic, and there they learn that out of about a billion Muslims in the world, ISIS and Al Qaeda are a negligible percentage. Well, maybe it's no wonder that our Rabbi Mordechai doesn't really do well in the game theory course for children. He should first go back to first-grade arithmetic.
And from here you will understand what all the quotes he brings are worth, because in my column I addressed exactly this and explained why quotes are not overwhelming evidence. But Mordechai did not hesitate, did not move, and did not budge. He boldly repeats his point without noticing that everything has already been answered in the column. Bless you, Mordechai, do not kneel or bow. May all the nations of the earth be blessed in you. It seems to me that the Jews are a little less so.
Lesson No. 4.
Ah, so it's not really over. Surprisingly, here we are back after a short break to a course in game theory. The multitude of professional terms in Orientalism and game theory mean that sometimes people make mistakes and send direct or indirect messages to others. Would you have thought about it? Certainly not in the context of game theory for children. This is something that deserves a Nobel Prize.
Reminds me of Richard Feynman's famous joke in his cult book (you're surely joking) about attending a conference on the sciences of the heart, where the lecturer began his remarks with the following immortal sentences: People sometimes create complex mutual interactions in various visual and verbal ways. Translation: People talk. That sums up this entire entertaining message.
That's it. Say thank you for saving you the final paper. If it weren't for Demisphina, I would suggest that the lecturer (after reviewing first-grade calculus and game theory for children) do it himself first, and publish a solution.
Please write clearly and reasoned. Delete drafts. Good luck.
(Just from the stands without any intervention in the content. The story is very good and worth reading https://ibb.co/19bC8VT. And read more here shorturl.at/gtFS5. And may God save us.)
Correction https://tinyurl.com/srpj9c
In any case, I did not understand your response to the criticism from your words
The main argument is that the Arabs do not really intend to change, but rather use the weaknesses of modern Western society to take over it. We have already seen this on several occasions in the past, with Arafat for example. The question is why we should not assume that this is also the case in the present. Even if I accept your principled position for a possible change in society, it will never happen if all the plans work out according to the exercise. Isn't it of enormous significance that the Arab world is failing to develop a democratic culture?
The cynical expression “Don't let reality confuse you” is sometimes used in relation to the left. The guiding principle often obscures reality, which can never be explained according to the principle that guided them to begin with.
In the academic context above, it is like choosing between a certain principle by which I explain an issue and reading the scripture and understanding it. In the academic context, I choose according to what seems more obvious and often choose the text rather than the explanation by which I want to explain the issue. Choosing the text, even though it does not completely fit with the general understanding of the issue, simply indicates that you did not understand correctly and that you are missing some details to understand.
After all, I, who have supported the integration of Arabs into society until today, stand amazed in the face of the events in the mixed cities. The concept teaches that if only they were good and so on, but that is nonsense. There is a certain cultural structure here, which gives an ideological cover to the bestiality, to their betrayal of the state, and any rapprochement of them with the state at the moment, realistically, only creates an improvement in their position for the next battle.
In the end, in my understanding, no such culture will change without force, because everything will be explained according to the plan, until its collapse. Then perhaps there will be something to talk about their integration into society.
I don't see what there is to answer here beyond what I answered. I explained that there is some chance and why there is such a chance, and why the facts and quotes are not necessary evidence (although they have weight). Whoever thinks there is none, then there is none.
I did not say that it will change without force. On the contrary, I clearly said that great and very decisive force is needed.
The story about the pragmatism of Arab Muslims (and Iranians) is not true. There are a billion Muslims and they are all primitive peoples. These are by nature prone to fanaticism, conservatism and lack of pragmatism. They are all ISIS and Hamas and Iran. It's just that because they are primitive they are weak and therefore they do not carry out what they want “when they have the strength” . There is no difference between the Indonesians and the Sudanese and the Iranians and ISIS in this matter. This is just leftist babbling. Your attempt, Rabbi Michi, to be “sophisticated” and ”middle” is transparent and childish. You are not smart, you are simply a smartass.
There is no point in talking about a carrot and stick method in the way you talked about. There is no point in giving sweet and big carrots. The first thing that is important is to create deterrence. There is no point in talking about equal rights for Arabs. We need to separate. We don't want taxes from them and we don't want to give them services. Let them finance what they (hospitals, universities) need with their own money. The only thing that needs to be done with them is to establish a kind of autonomy (emirates) with which it will be possible to conduct a business relationship with them that is based on justice and fairness. The fact that they receive national insurance, for example, is injustice of the first order. Why should I care about people some of whom are outright enemies and the rest are people who are indifferent to my fate? It is inconceivable.
Wow, that was a really quick response, fulfilling what is said: “The face of a man is hasty in his words – there is hope for a fool like him” (Proverbs 29:21; and Proverbs 29:11). Thank you for offering me a time, I am afraid that your time of 2021 will not be useful either. (Proverbs 29:11; out of respect for you I did not quote it, nevertheless I have respect for you, even those who have been crushed will ripen.)
Lesson No. 1.
Indeed, in lesson No. 1 I did not detail my assumptions about the Middle East and the problem of Jewish-Arab relations in Israel, since this is a course in game theory, not Orientalism. (I briefly mentioned some of my assumptions in my responses to the previous column, and here I referred to the words of Dr. Mordechai Keider. He has other fascinating lectures on YouTube from which one can learn and become more educated.) Whoever claimed to present here a systematic sub-section on Jewish-Arab relations in Israel based on a “stick and carrot model from game theory for children” is a ruler. That is why I commented that game theory for older children teaches that game analysis should begin by detailing the parameters, assumptions, etc. Even in a popular column, one can (and should) detail the basic assumptions. For example, that the Arabs strive for happiness, economic well-being, progress, etc., or alternatively for Islamic control over what remains of ”dar-al-harb” (the world of war, the part of the world not yet under Islamic rule). For this, mathematical rigor is not needed.
I do not follow Uman in the media. I know him mainly from his mathematical writings in which he is very rigorous. Even from my personal acquaintance with him, I find it hard to believe that even in the media he makes assertions without minimal detailing of the assumptions on which he relies. It looks and sounds like giving him a bad name.
Lesson No. 2.
As mentioned, this is a course in game theory, which in some textbooks is called “rational decision theory”. No one has claimed that there are no irrational people, but their behavior is studied in other disciplines. (Indeed, there were some mathematicians and game theorists who tried to model irrational behavior as well. They didn't get very far.) But whoever claims that entire nations have been collectively behaving irrationally for centuries must have the evidence. The more plausible alternative assumption is that they are maximizing a different objective function than the one you attribute to them.
Again, I didn't come here to present my opinion on the subject, but to suggest the tools of analysis and the correct way to use them. If you really know and know, why didn't you do so?
Lesson No. 3.
Well, this is really embarrassing, and reminds me of one of my late father's many excuses for why he doesn't grow a beard like most Jewish men: "I don't talk nonsense, so I don't need a beard to cover my blushing face."
And to the body of your (embarrassing) words, although I am not a tzaddik, my work has already been done by others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3sFOvLXgMQ
(Admittedly, your answer is partial, but sufficient for a course for older children. If you pass the 2nd term successfully, we can expand on it in a course for youth).
Lesson No. 4.
So you are aware that Muslims lie and deceive. Good for you. An impressive achievement. Dean's Award!
And yet you believe that a few nice words from this or that sheikh constitute the basis for coexistence, etc. Are you also sure that you know how to distinguish between words spoken honestly and lies and deception? How? Morach and Dayin?
The student failed!
And something else about writing in a matter-of-fact way, etc. All my responses in the Itra Kadisha of the Law were always in a matter-of-fact way, even when they criticized you and your words. The one who always (but always) runs away from a matter-of-fact confrontation when caught with your pants down is you. With all due respect to Feynman's (familiar and lovable) sofa, jokes and insults are not a matter-of-fact answer, and neither are "and you" Etc., especially when I really don't suffer from any of the failings you accuse me of, “and you” definitely do…
Despite the length, and perhaps because of it, I see no point in continuing. There is not even a shred of new argument here. Everything has been answered well, and it will be pleasant to hear.
On the 9th of Sivan, 564 AD
To Mordechai and Ramada, Greetings,
The honor of the "game theory" is in its place, to deal with situations in which reality and its future developments are in doubt.
But in the matter of Didan, things are much clearer. Hamas, as an offshoot of the "Muslim Brotherhood", is guided in matters of Sharia by the rulings of Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, in his book "The Forbidden and the Permitted in Islam", who is considered one of the greatest and most influential Islamic jurisprudents. His halakhic book is distributed in millions of copies and his halakhic lessons are watched by millions of viewers.
Qaradawi defines his view as a ’moderate Islam’ which ’seeks to balance the mind and the heart, between religion and the world, between spirituality and the material, and between the individual and the group’ He abhors extremism, and when it comes to Islamic law, he does not take things for granted. He requires critical thinking.
Qaradawi views reforms positively, when they are anchored in the traditions of jurisprudence and are carried out gradually. Within this framework, he views the practice of art positively, and permits the painting of pictures of people and animals; he views democracy positively, and permits women to be elected to municipal authorities..
Qaradawi is one of the outliners of the ‘minority law’ Which allows Muslims to integrate as a minority in democratic countries, while being flexible in the laws of ’Sharia’ so as not to violate the laws of the state. In his opinion, Islam will conquer the world not through war and force of arms. The commandment of jihad, the war of commandment, will be carried out by preaching in ways of kindness and ’thick with love’, by which – together with natural increase – Muslims will become the majority in the Western world.
In contrast, Qaradawi's attitude towards Israel (and its dragnet, the US) is completely different, against which a war of attrition must be waged ‘until its annihilation’. And he views terrorism positively. Qaradawi justifies the Holocaust suffered by the Jews as punishment for their sins.
In short: Qaradawi is moderate as far as the Israeli and American enemies are concerned, against whom ’jihad’ should be resorted to, literally., and I have already written above that the riots of the Israeli Arabs are organized by Hamas emissaries, and there is no room for dialogue with them.
However, there are no pontificates in Islam. There are more moderate currents, starting with Sheikh’ Abdullah Nimr Darwish (Mansour Abbas's rabbi), who advocates for upholding the law within the Green Line, while legitimizing an armed struggle in the occupied territories, and the Italian qadi, Abd al-Hadi Fallaci, who views the State of Israel positively.
The Arab population is largely made up of 'light religious people', or people who abhor violence, whether because of a principled view or because they want to live in safety and earn a living with dignity.
There is no other choice but to study thoroughly and get to know the currents that are operating, and accordingly determine the policy, to what extent to apply the 'light' and to what extent the 'cut'
Best regards, Shams Razel Alpanjar Aljanjar Mavi
In paragraph 8, line 1
… In Islam there is no ‘Pope’. …
For the leader of Muslims in Italy, who is sympathetic to Israel, see her article ‘Sheikh Imam Abdul Hadi Flac’, on Daniel Ventura's WIKI website. And this is not surprising. A Muslim who truly fears God is aware that the democratic State of Israel is the best place in the Middle East where a Muslim can live according to his religion freely and safely.
Best regards, Yaron Fish”l Ordner
Mordechai
There are several Muslim movements that call for serious reforms in religion and other interpretations. Starting with small sects as an example like the Ahmadis
or the Baha'i religion that split from Islam. Although the founders of those reformists did indeed have a need for exclusivity (or they really did this among themselves) that they were granted a revelation from God. In order to preach those reforms. Or movements like the Sufis. Who simply put great sophistication into spiritual interpretations of concepts like jihad and war. And these are groups that simply call literally for liberalization and reform of the scriptures on the grounds of obsolescence. It is true that these groups are probably a minority. And Michael did not claim otherwise. Therefore, I do not understand what the anger is about here. And that it is absurd to think that broad movements in Islam could arise one day. Out of disgust with violence. Will they call for change in a way? Whether in apologetics that ends with violent points in the “Holy Scripture”. The Islamic. And whether by a declared call for reform? And that such a process did not happen in other religions that were previously fascist
but are now much more liberal. Like Christianity for example?
And factually as I said. There were already groups that were Muslim and withdrew from the mainstream of Islam. Following the desire for change
Why didn't I write a pathetic progressive manifesto here on the site that says that Islam is a religion of peace and brotherhood. That there is no violence in the Arab and Muslim world. And that they are all little angels. And violence comes only from a tiny percentage of extremists
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On the 10th of Sivan, 5621;f
To please, my dear,
Willingness and openness to reforms in religion in order to adapt it to the demands of life does not require opposition to violence at all.
And who is greater to us than Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, one of the greatest jurists in Islam, and the guide of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, whose banner is moderate Islam, which knows how to critically approach traditions and make changes to adapt Halacha to life.
In the field of adapting Halacha to modern life, Halacha has signed many innovative Halacha rulings. He views democracy positively, and consistently tends to elevate the status of women. He allowed women to be elected to municipal authorities, serve as judges, and study at universities. And in his enactment of art, he permitted the drawing of human and animal figures, which for centuries had been forbidden by Muslims.
He is one of the leaders of the ‘minority law’ system, which allows Muslims living as a minority in a Western country to act flexibly with respect to the laws of ’Sharia’ in order to avoid conflict with the laws of the country in which they live. The commandment of jihad, according to Qaradawi, will not be fulfilled by means of war. Islam will take over the Western world by means of kindness and propaganda. The discovery of the ‘light in Islam’ will attract Westerners to it, and they too will join the ’true religion’.
But Qaradawi's openness and gentleness end when he comes to the Jews and the State of Israel. Qaradawi justifies the Holocaust as punishment for the Jews for their crimes, and expects the Muslim world to complete what Hitler failed to do. Even against the State of Israel (and its dragnet, the USA), Qaradawi teaches that a war of attrition must be fought, by way of terrorist attacks and rockets. Nationalism and hatred apparently 'spoil the line' of openness 🙂
With greetings, Shams Razel Alpanjar Alnajmawi
Alternative Mufti on the website 'Moallem Mikhail Dawood Ibrahim' – Fatawat and Maqalat’
And Qaradawi is not the first to combine openness with religious reform and fervent hatred of Jews. This was preceded by Martin Luther, the founder of the Reformation in Christianity, who was a staunch Israelite, and quite a few of his students followed in his footsteps.
In general, it is highly doubtful whether violence and terrorism truly stem from religious fanaticism. More than once, it is discovered that the leaders of terrorism, in their lifestyles, are the complete opposite of the fear of God. The desire for violence and murder are among the baser instincts of man, and the commandment of jihad is only a cover and justification for venting the instincts of hatred and violence.
The tormented Islam used jihad to conquer and control the religion of Islam, but when they came to power they aspired to establish a stable government and did not hesitate to go to war. And unlike the Christians, who did not tolerate any religious minority (except the Jews, whose humiliation was intended to show the righteousness of Christianity), the Muslims also gave shelter to monotheistic minorities, as long as they behaved submissively and paid their taxes.
Terrorism, cruelty, and mass murder as a way of life are precisely the effects of modernity. The infidel communist Russians encouraged terrorism in Islamic countries in order to fight the US and Western Europe. And the Islamic terrorist organizations are loyal disciples of the infidel communists. Even the Western media outlets that delight their viewers with images of violence and horror – are thereby encouraging pseudo-Muslim terrorism.
On Hamas‘s ‘fear of God’, see the articles by Eli Zippori, ‘The Corruption and Subordination of Khaled Meshaal and Ismail Haniyeh’ (on the ‘Globes’ website), and by Gal Berger, ‘We Are Making a Laugh at Ourselves – Protest Against Hamas in Gaza’ (On the website ‘here’). And our father Abraham already defined it: ‘Only there is no fear of God in this place and they will kill me…’.
With blessings, Sharaf”n Elan’mavi
I've read your words twice, and I still haven't gotten to the bottom of your point. What exactly are you claiming?
Orthodox Islam's attitude towards Sufis, throughout their entire history, has ranged from suspicion to persecution (many of their spiritual leaders were executed for heresy). This is a marginal and esoteric group in Islam, whose influence, ironically, is more noticeable in Judaism (“Duties of the Hearts”, for example, and of course the Sephardic Kabbalah). Its influence on Islamic politics in all its centuries of existence – Zero! The Baha'is are also a marginal and persecuted sect (in Khomeiniist Iran they were almost exterminated. Their world center is now in Haifa). Who else do you propose to base Jewish-Muslim relations on? What about the Yazidis?
As a reminder, apart from these marginal and persecuted sects, there are about a billion more Muslims. Surveys conducted by the Pew Research Center in Indonesia, Pakistan, several Arab countries, and other Islamic countries have shown that about 70% of Muslims support the application of Sharia law, and specifically its fundamentalist interpretation (Sunnis and Shiites for their sects). The Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, and other murderous organizations did not arise in a vacuum.
Can a reform of Islam occur? I don't know. I am not a prophet. In the last 1,500 years, anyone who has tried to propose something similar has been persecuted to the death. Wise policy considers mainly the current reality, and less wishes for the future. Especially not when a mistake could be fatal.
After bringing a survey in which about 300 million Muslims do not want the application of Sharia law, it is really not clear what the hope is based on that there might be an island of sanity, or partial sanity, here. And that is without even getting into the question of what Sharia law is in their eyes and how many uncounted secularists exist there. And we have not yet entered into the question of what they will say after the laws are applied and they will be able to experience the benefits of their arm (theory and practice, did we already say?). And we have not yet distinguished between Muslims who live in the West and all Muslims. I do not know the data, but I would love to have data on the percentage of Israeli Arabs (including secularists, communists, Christians and all others) who want the return of Sharia in its fundamentalist interpretation. I suspect the data will be much better.
I assume that a similar survey conducted among religious Jews will show that most of them want the return of the Torah law, including mass slaughter of animals in the Temple, death penalties for desecrating the Sabbath and for those who work the tzaddik and adultery, and the return of women to the kitchen. Who even dreams of doing business with Jews?
The best advice: assume that there is no hope and do everything to make the war last forever. Don't give even a chance for change (which no one says is great and certainly not that it is 1). Really great logic for adults. And if possible, then put a demagogic title under the opponent's words like “Peace Now, Traitor, Idiot, Naive, Ignores Data”, and not address the fact that the policy he is advising is neither inclusive nor accepting nor related to the left. It is the easiest and most effective. This is how you prevent people from thinking.
And by the way, there is nothing dangerous in this policy, contrary to the idle threats you are making. On the contrary, current policy is taking us in a downward direction, and I propose a more balanced and effective policy (game theory, remember?) that has a chance (which is not 1) of bringing about much better results. We already have the current nothingness. Perpetuating it is folly. I can only point this out to Adir Miller Shalit”a: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=745327209479354
As you do in the Holy Land, when your arguments are being challenged, you inelegantly escape (see above) by making claims that I did not make (or distorting what I did make, for example, "Where did I bring a survey according to which 300 million Muslims are fed up with Sharia?" Then you pour out a wealth of cynicism, sarcasm, de la Schmatte wit, etc. (which also fall under the warning of the Hatzada), and your mind did not cool down until you brought up the great genius Miller Shalit as a helper. Indeed, sheer clowning, etc.
You are probably a lost cause (as the Hatzada cited above diagnosed). But perhaps some of the surfers here will take the arguments presented in the link below more seriously. Among other things, he points out that not everything is religion, there is also just nationalism and other factors related to political economy, etc. He also offers a much less “intellectual” but much more correct solution. To the attention of the knight of common sense…
https://mida.org.il/2021/05/21/%d7%93%d7%a2%d7%94-%d7%96%d7%9e%d7%9f-%d7%9c%d7%97%d7%a9%d7%91%d7%95%d7%9f-%d7%a0%d7%a4%d7%a9-%d7%91%d7%99%d7%97%d7%a1%d7%99%d7%a0%d7%95-%d7%a2%d7%9d-%d7%a2%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%99-%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%a8/
I have no choice but to repeat: You don't drive with fools.
And here's the quote from your message:
As a reminder, apart from these marginal and persecuted sects, there are about another billion Muslims. Surveys conducted by the Pew Research Center in Indonesia, Pakistan, several Arab countries, and other Islamic countries revealed that about 70% of Muslims support the application of Sharia law, and specifically its fundamentalist interpretation (Sunnis and Shiites, for their sects).
The last time I checked, 30% of a billion is 300 million. Good luck on your second term in first-grade math and in advanced demagogy.
کرینا دیگرتا یهو لاهوی پرونکا (with fools etc.’).
The Pew Research Center survey showed that 70% of Muslims support the application of Sharia in its fundamentalist interpretation. From this you conclude that 30% are fed up with Sharia? Oh, pity us, Rahmones….
Good luck with your logic and reasoning course.
“Are you fed up with Sharia?” You need to go back to first grade in reading and writing, not just math. Good luck.
I am willing to help you (voluntarily) with this too…;-) Slowly, step by step.
a) I asked “Where did I get a survey according to which 300 million Muslims are disgusted with Sharia?”
b) You answered with a quote from my post about Pew Research Center surveys that showed that 70% of Muslims support the application of Sharia in its most fundamentalist interpretation.
c) I answered that from this it is still impossible to conclude that the remaining 30% are disgusted with Sharia.
Explanation for those who have difficulty: There is probably a significant proportion of those 30% who support the application of Sharia, but in a less fundamentalist interpretation (without going into interpretations of “what does this mean” etc.). How many are disgusted with it in general? It is difficult to know.
I'm starting to understand why you've given up on physics. Data and drawing conclusions from them are probably not your strong suit.
I'm ready for another round or two of explanations, but unfortunately I don't have the extreme patience of Rabbi Frida. (And it's a shame, that's a virtue for longevity).
As a token of my gratitude for your volunteering, I will also help you a little with your reading comprehension. After all, an economics (or something similar) lecturer who cannot read, write, or do basic arithmetic should worry us all. So consider my following words a contribution from the world of physics to failed economists:
Please check where I wrote that someone is disgusted with Sharia. Now go back to section A in your message and update it. You will immediately realize that everything else you wrote, which at first I suspected of being relevant, without any injustice on your part, is no longer relevant (even assuming that the survey you quoted incredibly vaguely, and not without reason, says something to our subject. After all, we are dealing with social sciences. This is not physics). If you want to even get to pre-school, I highly recommend that you also read my other comments that present all your bloated talk as an empty vessel. Good luck.
I think I'm done. Let the hearing be pleasant. And for the deaf and dumb, their judgment is entrusted to heaven. We can only sympathize with them and share their grief.
It was a pleasure doing business with you. Peace be upon you.
Mordechai Shalom.S.C Shalom.
I am not a great expert on Islam at all. Nor am I too well versed in the psychology of the human soul, but if this is what I argued, it is this - if enough Muslim leaders and enough Muslims want a moderate, non-violent way of life, they will be able to make a move that will allow them to remain both religious Muslims and to live without violence. Whether by a relatively simple move, such as saying that all the laws of war are obligatory on infidels. They were the law of the Messiah and now they must be conducted in peaceful ways. Or if by some deep internal reforms - as all kinds of sects have done. Admittedly small. Perhaps completely marginal during Muslim history - such a move is possible in the minds of religious fanatics. Christians who were anti-Semites for centuries and more. They saw Jews as the sons of Satan. The murderers of Christ. And they sought to make their lives miserable by encouraging pogroms or by silence and winking at acts of pogroms by the masses who carry them out. Put an end to it. .And after the Holocaust .They put an end to it completely
.Some followed a completely far-reaching new interpretation and theology .Within its framework, the Jews are still the chosen people and in fact there is a double covenant – Jews will be able to be saved by the Torah .And a way for the rest of the peoples of the world to be saved by their Messiah .Other parts took a very tolerant version .And declared that indeed the only way to be saved is by their Messiah .But of course persecution and mission by means of force and murder against the beloved and chosen people is forbidden .And that the Jews are “firstborn brothers” .of the Christians (and this expression came from one of the leaders of the Aimish, who are not really a moderate sect, but a very fundamentalist movement). Was a new copy of the New Testament discovered, because of which Christians began to describe themselves as lovers of Jews and to condemn violence and religious coercion against them? No, but there was a very simple motivation to establish peaceful relations with the Jews, whether because of feelings of guilt or for other reasons. If such a move were possible for Christians, who were very murderous and intolerant of Jews and of other religions and peoples in general. (And this is partly because of the intolerant anti-Semitic and missionary motifs that exist in their writings). And by the way, why go so far? Didn't the absolute Orthodox, during the emancipation periods, carry out a complete apologetic move in some places and define themselves as observant Jews who are simultaneously patriots and Hungarians/French/Germans for everything? (While completely nitpicking about the laws of exclusion and separation from Gentiles with such and such justifications. And in America, this kind of spirit among the Orthodox still exists today). And I'm not comparing the murderousness of Christians to the cultural separation of Jews from their neighbors. I'm just saying that if there is a strong enough motivation and opinion in the human soul, it will find its place to grow and live in peace with the religious faith that the person holds. And if this is possible for Jews and Christians, I don't see why it wasn't possible for Muslims.
Will practical dialogue help right now? I don't know. But I am sure that if the Arab and Muslim world receives a strong blow (and it will come someday), and understands that the path of violence is not possible, and whether or not simultaneously, there will be dialogue with more moderate and wiser sides. They will find a way to interpret the scriptures differently if they truly want peace. That is my argument.
In my opinion, the preoccupation with the amount of damage in the argument about lack of symmetry is a mistake. The discussion is fundamental, the Arabs wake up when the enemy presses a button. And among the Jews, the demons wake up when they attack, when in fact it is an attack for the sake of defense. It is enough if there were no wars between the Arabs and the Jews, it is not at all certain that the Familia would behave this way
It would be worthwhile to turn to Islamic scholars from all ends of the Islamic spectrum to clarify this critical point and understand the spirit of the matter.
They just sent me a video of a strong pro-Israel speech. I don't know who the speaker is. (It's ten minutes long, the second half is even better).
To the question titled “How long will the disturbances last?” with Bibi’s show “Israel surrenders to Hamas”; it’s pretty certain that it won’t happen during Bibi’s time.
This will surely happen in the days of Lapid (who said that Bibi should stop ignoring Biden) or Gantz (who said, "The lives of Palestinian civilians are more important than the lives of IDF soldiers" who are fighting and courageous). The criticism is justified, but you (like me and Rabbi Michi) will grow up already.
To Moshe – Hello,
If victory over Hamas did not come during Bibi's time, even more so will such a victory not come during a government dominated by Labor's Lapid and Meretz. And we saw it: when US President Biden strongly demanded that Bibi make a ceasefire ‘ on the same day’ – Bibi tried to be a little insistent. In contrast, Yair Lapid shouted that the American dictate should be accepted immediately.
‘Politics is the art of the possible’. When there is a hostile American president threatening to stop political support for Israel – it is very difficult to refuse him. But there is a huge difference between yielding to pressure out of reluctance, and rushing to yield, and for the left – it is often about inviting international pressure.
The complicated situation in Gaza is a direct result of the expulsion from Gush Katif, which Sharon surrendered to due to the threat of a criminal case, while Yair Lapid clearly stated that the expulsion is not essential for security, and its sole purpose is to ‘take the heads off the settlers’. Pure hatred of settlers.
The only choice today is between Lapid, who hates the settlers and the religious, who will rush to harm us, and Netanyahu, who, with all his caution and apprehension, –de facto‘blocks’ any move that involves sweeping concessions in the direction of establishing a Palestinian terrorist state. If now there is an outbreak of rocket barrages every few years –what will we do when Netanyahu's replacements impose a Hamas state on us with a regular army, tanks, planes, and international recognition? May God have mercy on him!
Best regards, Amioz Yaron Schnitzel
And really, what is there to talk about with the Arabs? What equality? They are not part of us and do not contribute anything to the country. They contribute to crime and barbarity. What is right in giving them equality? This is a public that does not bring tax money into the country, needs National Insurance and services and enjoys “corrective” discrimination in universities (except for talented Jews). It produces crime and violence. They are closer to human animals than to human beings. Do not believe a word that comes out of their mouths. They turn over like steak depending on who they are talking to. Anyone who tries to please you will also try to please his friend who is your enemy. They have no backbone at all. There is a giant worm in this place. Simply a despicable nation. And if this truth is racism, then I am a proud racist.
In the S.D. Ashkenazy carried the head of the Tashaf
To Emmanuel, greetings,
Your approach, "They are human animals," is exactly the approach of the left. They claim that since the Arabs are not at our level, we cannot demand normative behavior from them, and therefore it is better not to deal with them. We let their leaders manage their affairs and we will separate from them. This was the political concept that led to "Oslo" and this was the political concept that led to "disengagement."
The problem is that it doesn't work. When they have rampant poverty, lawlessness and crime, it comes to us "in a missile" or in riots. So either they are beaten a little until the next ’round’ (as the right-wing method) or they are given more concessions, which increase their appetite (as the left-wing method).
I think that lawlessness leads to greater lawlessness, because the Arab leaders will not restrain or calm their audience. The Arab leaders do not care about their audience, and on the contrary, it is better for them to agitate against us in order to distract their bitterness from the corruption of their leaders and take out their bitterness on the ‘Zionist enemy’.
If we want peace – we must take responsibility and strictly lead the Arabs among us as well. On the one hand, to strictly and meticulously enforce the requirements of the law and severely punish every offender, as the ‘broken windows’ method Giuliani, who reduced crime in New York through strict and meticulous enforcement.
And on the other hand, to take care of the Arab neighborhoods, to ensure that there is employment and education for everyone. To take care of the houses and streets and playgrounds and community centers. Where there is an atmosphere of neglect and ‘life in the trash’ – violence and crime erupt. When the attacking hand is also the hand that helps and nurtures – they begin to treat it with respect.
With best regards, Ben-Zion Yohanan Corinaldi-Radetzky (aka: Schnitzel”r)
Action in two parallel trends – on the one hand, strict and increased enforcement of the rule of law in Israel, and on the other hand, extensive and thorough leadership and investment in enlightening and improving the situation of the Arab population – suggests retired judge Dr. Elyakim Rubinstein, in the video presented in the article: ‘Rubinstein: There are ways to improve the situation’, on the ‘Channel 7’ website;
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Sorry for the alternating names (maybe you'll explain what they mean sometime and what the meaning of constantly changing news is?).
But, the thesis you're proposing here is the leftist theory that ”terrorism and crime are the result of poverty/occupation/deprivation/racism/“toxic” masculinity, etc.’ (mark your favorite, it's permissible and desirable to mark more than one factor…). What can we do, and the ”hebra kadisha of theories” (that is, empiricism, which is hated by progressives of all kinds) buried this theory too. According to this theory, the champions of terrorism and crime lords were supposed to come from countries like Bangladesh, Mauritius and poor countries like them. But, the heads of the mafias and terrorist organizations come (mostly) from rich families. Crime and terrorism are “businesses” that require a lot of investment (billions of dollars). Those who are busy looking for their daily bread can at most steal from the grocery store. Hijacking a plane, smuggling drug containers, carrying out a “high-quality” attack - all of these are “projects” high-risk and capital-intensive. This is a business for the rich, educated and sophisticated (who want to be richer, or to accumulate power and authority, to impose a certain ideology, etc.).
The history of the Land of Israel also proves that as long as the Arabs were poor and ignorant phalanxes, there was (relative) peace here. The troubles began when graduates of the American University in Beirut arrived (mostly Christians), founded the Arab press and began to spread venom and hatred of Israel (long before the rise of the Nazis in Germany). Rich Arab effendi (mainly from abroad) fuel the riots against Jews with a lot of money. Make no mistake, the riots of 2017 are also fueled by money and logistical support (from Iran, Soros, and other Israel-haters).
One fact among many: According to research by Prof. Madison (from the University of Groningen), the PA has received close to $40 billion in donations from around the world to date. Per capita, this is the highest donation rate in the world in history! This is a legendary amount that could have solved once and for all the problems of poverty in the PA territories and turned Gaza, for example, into the Singapore of the Middle East. What did they do with this money? One can only guess, but one thing is clear: money is not the problem of the Arabs of Palestine. Think about the money invested in the Gaza Metro and the Hamas missile project, and the alternative uses that this money could have had.
There is a rich literature on the economics of crime in general and terrorism in particular, I suggest you read at least the popular books on the subject. For example, you could start with The Political Economy of Terrorism by Walter Enders and Todd Sandler (I met Sandler a few times, a nice Jew who was persecuted because of his Jewishness and doesn't understand why, like the drummer boy in the famous symphony of another Jew who didn't understand why he was persecuted - Mahler). As mentioned, empirical studies bury the romantic theories of "give them equality, welfare, nothing to lose, etc." and they will be "tetalah"
In the Sed Esek, a Tashaf was born
To Mordechai, greetings,
As you correctly wrote, the organizers of terror are rich and corrupt landlords, but their cannon fodder is the masses who are discontented with poverty and the hardship they are in. The leadership channels their frustration into hatred towards the "Zionist enemy" in order to distract them from the oppression and corruption of their criminal leadership.
This method - channeling the anger of the suffering population towards an imaginary "enemy" - is the method of corrupt dictators throughout the generations. And it was also used by Haman the Haggai. Ahasuerus tried to distract the disgruntled population, especially after the defeat in Greece in the sixth year of his reign, with grandiose feasts. But the carnivals left the kingdom's coffers empty.
Haman, who had become rich by virtue of his control of the kingdom's treasury, came up with a wonderful idea: to arouse the hatred of the people of the kingdom towards the weak and hated people. They would be destroyed and their wealth would largely go to cover the deficits of the kingdom's treasury. His generous offer to weigh out 10,000 talents of silver for the king was an excellent investment, since when the kingdom's treasury was filled with the property of the Jews, the flow of money would resume and fill Haman's pockets.
Haman's downfall and the rise of Mordecai led to wise economic management of the kingdom. Mordechai made sure that the Jews did not resort to looting, and the assets of those who rebelled against them went to the treasury of the kingdom. The lavish banquets ceased, and the tax discounts also ended. Mordechai made sure that taxes were collected from all over the kingdom, and instead worked to improve the situation of the kingdom and its citizens.
Mordechai severely punished the hard core of Haman, but the multitude of the "people of the land" and even the destroyers, Haman's opportunistic helpers, Mordechai accepted as "repentant".
And this, in my opinion, is also the way to deal with the riots of the Abiyeh. The leaders, instigators, and perpetrators of crimes should be severely punished for what they did to the Jews, but the masses who are being dragged along should be removed from the cycle of incitement and terror by improving their economic and employment situation, and as you say, the work on the people should be honored.
With greetings, Ben-Zion Yohanan (Wentzel Johann) Radetzky-Korinaldi,
nicknamed ‘Schnitzel”R’ after bringing schnitzel from Italy to Austria)
Regarding my nicknames (I am ‘Ank-Nik’ 🙂 – They allude to my name or by the initials ‘Fisch”L’ = ‘Sh”L’ or ”Sh”N”R’ which is the initials and finals of my name. Likewise, every nickname comes in gematria 1148 which is the gematria of my name and my patronymic.
The translation of my name into Arabic is: ‘Ames Razel , and ’Alpanj’Ari’ alludes to my family name. ‘Aln’Mawi’ alludes to my place ‘Kohavah Hashachar’ Ditba near the hill ‘Qubat a-Naj’Ma’. And of course ‘Shams Razel Alpanj’ri Aljanj’Mawi’ = 1150. Close to 1148
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Mordechai,
In the context of the gap between theory and practice: Although you are right when you imply (or state?) that in Muslim culture/religion - especially among Arab Muslims - the interpretive freedom of the believer is less than in other cultures (the example of jihad probably reinforces your words) and therefore he is pushed more than others to violent political radicalism against the “West”, the fundamental gap between the two is still quite large. A large part of the Arab Muslim violence in Israel (and it seems to me that in the world as well, I am not sure) is carried out by secularists in consciousness and lifestyle. You yourself have put forward a similar thesis (against the naivety of the left).
Hence it is possible to be a devout Muslim and a proud Arab and still avoid political radicalism.
Hence, your explanatory model is lacking, in my opinion.
My model is different: the main problem is the feeling of alienation and humiliation - even if without “objective” reason - that Arab Muslims in Israel and around the world feel. In their opinion, their magnificent culture (really!) - and not their religion - was trampled by the “white man” of whom Zionism is an authentic representative. Again, in their eyes.
I want to demonstrate this through the example of Saudi Arabia: an ultra-religious country where phenomena of political radicalism have been minor at least for the last 70 years.
You might give me a hard time and argue that this example also weakens my own argument, since in my opinion the enormous cultural gaps should have given rise, even in Saudi Arabia, to comprehensive political radicalism (I am not referring to isolated wild plants like Bin Laden). But this is not a strong problem in my opinion. The “cultural” model is more comprehensive and more fundamental than the religious model you propose, but it is not as hermetic as it is, as it does not contain metaphysical factors (Allah and his companions) and does not contain canonical texts that, according to your own theory, cannot be deviated from.
I hope my thesis is clear.
In one of my responses to Micah above, I provided a link to Ariel Kellner's column on the "Mida" website, which also addresses your claims. These are, of course, claims that complement my claims, and do not contradict them.
I read Kellner, albeit skimming. There is no reference there to the thesis I propose (perhaps only a hint).
And in any case, I already said that there is truth in your claim, but only as a second or third floor for explanation. It seems that in your opinion this should be the first floor - and this is in my opinion a mistake.
In the name of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted
There is explicit talk in Islamic jurisprudence about jihad through peaceful means and propaganda. The one who established this rule is none other than Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the arbiter of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, who is one of the pioneers of the 'minority doctrine', which allows a Muslim minority to be flexible in adhering to 'Sharia' in order to integrate into the Western country.
Qaradawi states that Islam will conquer the West, not through war and force, but through propaganda through gentle means, and then somehow the world will recognize the 'light in Islam' And he will join the Muslim ’true religion’ voluntarily and not by force.
Qaradawi's moderation and patience run out when he reaches the Jews and the State of Israel, for whom his hatred is burning, and against whom a war of attrition must be waged until their destruction.
So it is not at all unreasonable that in the future a Muslim halakhic arbiter of stature will arise, who will adopt the doctrine of conquering the world through gentle means of education out of love and respect.
For us Jews, it may be that the Jihad through gentle means – will be more dangerous, by opening a Muslim mission that will strive to convert the Jews to Islam through persuasion, just as some Christians are currently trying to do to us: to convert us to Christianity through temptation and persuasion, instead of the persecutions and disturbances of the past.
In any case, the possibility of a ‘mitzvah war in the ways of pleasure’ exists in Muslim jurisprudence.
Best regards, Shams Razel Alpanjri Aljanjri Mawwi
The point is not whether the possibility of moderate interpretation exists or not. There is no doubt that it exists.
The question is whether the interpretive freedom in the background of the Arab-Islamic culture (which stands in the background of the religion) is on the same level as other religions/cultures. As far as I am impressed by the Quran - I am certainly not an expert… - the answer is negative.
To Doron – Greetings,
The Quran reflects the reality of one religious leader, the Prophet Muhammad, but in Islam no prophet arose after Muhammad, nor is there a ‘pope’ and there is no hierarchy at all. There are no bishops or archbishops. There are four schools of halakhic law (madh’aheb’) that are all considered legitimate.
Qaradawi himself, who is considered one of the greatest Muslim halakhic authorities of our generation, advocates an ’Islam from within’ that strives to balance religion and life and make changes, of course while anchoring them in the extensive halakhic literature that has developed in Islam over his generations.
The only problem is that his moderation and flexibility end when it comes to Israel and the Jews, but there is certainly a good chance that after him there will arise a ‘greatest of generations’ who will apply the doctrine of moderation to the Jews and Israel as well.
With greetings, Sharaf El Najawi
By the way, about a hundred years ago there was a Jewish orientalist in Hungary (Goldziher) who was the greatest expert in the world in the study of the Muslim ’oral Torah’, to the point that Al-Azhar University in Cairo wanted to invite him to serve as a senior lecturer there. Which the University of Budapest refused to do because he was Jewish.
Goldziher also made sure to study a page of Gemara every day, saying: ‘When I reach the top ‘after a hundred and twenty’ And they ask me: “Did you study the Torah?” What should I answer: “I studied the Quran and Al-Bukhari?”
Levinger (forgive me for sticking to the old nickname, an old dog like me)
Are you on the same planet with us?
The status of the Quran in the eyes of Islam is perhaps more important than the status of the Torah in the eyes of the Jews - (“Luch al-Makhloq”, if I remember correctly). From this you will conclude that in principle this is where the interpretive freedom is more limited.
If you add that there is only a single prophet in Islam, then you even strengthen my thesis, which is summarized: There is a lot of interpretive freedom even in Islam, but probably much less than what exists in other cultures.
Try to focus on the last argument.
And all this regardless of my main general argument: culture, not religion, is the key to deciphering reality in this case.
Indeed, in contrast to Qaradawi (Hama's mentor), who denies the existence of the State of Israel outright, there is the view of Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish (Abbas Mansour's rabbi), who demands loyalty and integration from the Arabs of Israel in the country in which they live, and leaves the armed struggle only to the occupied territories.
With greetings, Shams Razel Alfanjari Al-Najmawi
There is indeed the fundamentally "Qara'ite" view of the non-Muslim scholar Burat Al-Dafnawi, who advocates "barefoot reading" of the Quran, without taking into account the diverse traditions of more than a thousand years of Islam, but I do not think this view has any real hold in the Muslim world :)(
Shachel explains what they (Muslims) actually do and everyone else explains what the theoretical statements of Islam are, only you need to remember the wall between theology and life that he wrote in his column "Mara Da'tra Al-Din".
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I am indeed with the left in this opinion. I do not think that the Arabs have the same free choice as we do. In this sense, I did support Oslo in principle, although in practice I opposed it for several reasons:
1. They are not really interested in living their lives alone under their own independent rule. They want us at sea. If we were to withdraw from the occupation, then we would have Gaza next door without the ability to shoot back at their population, because of course it would not become a sovereign state with collective responsibility for Gaza No. 2, and the stupid and evil world would again be against harming the “uninvolved” even when fighting only soldiers and military targets.
2. It would not solve the problem of the Israeli Arabs, who are the same as the Palestinians. Only a Jewish state without a single Arab in it would solve our problem in this respect, and who would agree to such a thing. For this reason, I would even be prepared to withdraw from all settlements in Judea and Samaria (population exchange) even though I support settlement throughout the entire territory of Ayus. I say this even in the opinion of the centrists who rule according to the commandment of the Ramban in the additions to the Book of Mitzvot of the Ramban.
With all due respect, poverty and crime among them are their problem and their culture's. I am not responsible for their primitive mentality. After all, the reason for all the pogroms in Eastern Europe has always been some plague or famine or some other problem that the group of Eastern European savages had. All the Arabs of the land should have been expelled in the War of Independence and then from Ayus during the Six-Day War. There is no remedy for these savages except fear or deportation or population exchange (living separately).
I don't understand what happened to you, Shatz. Cultivate Arab neighborhoods? Have you gone crazy? That first of all, they will pay us compensation for all the damage and murders they caused us, starting with the riots of 1941.
To Emmanuel and Ameoz.
I don't disagree with you that Lapid is much worse than Bibi – but Bennett's move, a Bennett/Lapid government paralyzed – will not be much worse than the Bibi government, a surrender to Hamas and Arab murder. And the gain of getting rid of Bibi and a healthy right-wing future that will not be paralyzed in the face of Hamas and Arab murder is worth the damage (which is unlikely to be great) in the short term.
And it would be much wiser to form a right-wing government of 65 seats, with the Haredi, religious Zionism, Bennett and Saar's support, which would strengthen the right and allow it to deal more successfully with the international pressure of the G-d.
Best regards, Yaron Fishel Ordner
And Ayman Odeh is loyal to me, who explained that he prefers Bennett as prime minister over Bibi, because Bennett is more right-wing but Netanyahu is stronger. The Arabs and leftists believe that Bennett and Saar will be able to ‘arrange’ and bend’, if all their overthrow efforts are towards Netanyahu – apparently Netanyahu is good for the Jews 🙂
With greetings, Ya'far
You have no idea what will happen without Bibi. The others you mentioned are right-wing as much as they are, what can you do? They are political dwarfs and it is not at all certain that they will withstand the same pressures that he is under (pressure from the Americans and the rest of the world that sells us weapons and threatens an economic boycott). By the way, it seems that the referendum is simply in love with mediocrity and strives to eliminate people who excel in some field as part of their equality agenda. In any case, no solution will come from the politicians. I don't think they have any free choice about their actions and they are the vast majority of the time victims of circumstances. The people need to change and in any case the leaders will change. If the people are united enough (something that the progressive left works extra hours to fight against. That is, the existence of any people in general and the Jewish people in particular). And there is no point in talking about uniting the people with the left right now. It has been poisoned too much by its progressive core. The right must first be united, and this begins by stopping allowing the left to drive the wedge of "just not Bibi" that separates the parts of the right and by stopping listening to the evil tongues (regardless of the truthfulness of their words) that come from the left side of the map. After the right that believes in the Jewish people is united, the ultra-Orthodox must be captured into it, and only then will it be possible to capture into it those who call themselves the Zionist left (Gantz voters and then Lapid voters). The deep left is hopeless (it does not believe in the truth at all and it is impossible to talk to it at all) and only God can soften their stone hearts. But they are not needed for this matter.
In such a case, I believe we can withstand an economic and military boycott from the world. There will be a short period of austerity and we will fight with stones and sticks, but we will not die unnecessary and meaningless deaths in death traps in the Gaza Strip for unbearable morality. Then the world will break.
Emmanuel,
I usually don't respond to your ridiculous and emphatic statements (and in most cases I don't), but this time I read it and I really liked this sentence you wrote here:
By the way, it seems that the poll (the left) is simply in love with mediocrity and strives to marginalize people who excel in some field as part of their equality agenda.
When this is brought up after the excessive praise for Bibi, it's especially amusing. It's hard to imagine a greater disconnect from reality and denial of the tangible, although most of your messages in general certainly challenge even this achievement. Rise and succeed. the sky is the limit
True. Indeed, the left (in our time. I'm not talking about the past of course. It wasn't exactly left-wing then) produces outstanding leaders. Let's look at the leaders of the left in our generation:
1. Yair Lapid - a kindergartener. Former journalist. Pretending to be the prime minister of Israel
2. Meirav Michaeli - a former TV presenter
3. Nitzan Horowitz - a former journalist
These fearless, bold leaders will lead us to wonderful military operations and will trap the people in preparation for the coming of the Messiah.
By the way, not only are they all media people there (which is a despicable profession. Like prostitution at least) but they are also all infantile. There is no need to talk about Lapid, and we will mention the column that the rabbi already wrote. And Nitzan Horowitz for LGBT (not exactly the militant man, to be honest. See Ohana's entry. Sorry for the stigmas)
Let's see who else is in the Gush HaNesh camp:
1. Lieberman - the rabbi once brought a quote of his own in which he said something and actually said nothing. This indeed represents his train of thought (lack of)
2. Sa'ar - indeed a top-notch statesman. The charisma of a carpet
3. Gantz - the only one who still has any potential for leadership. But his friends call him a coward (he is no less a coward than Bibi and also lacks diplomatic skills). Besides, he said that Palestinian lives are more important than the lives of IDF soldiers, so he is definitely an infantile one too.
So indeed, next to this row of dwarfs, Bibi does indeed look huge.
By the way, the concept of ”corrective discrimination” will testify to the fact that the left is fighting excellence and for mediocrity. This is actually a war on meritocracy (the rule of the talented). From the left's perspective, a profession or scientific field is not intended to serve humanity as a whole through technological or scientific development, but rather from their perspective, a profession is a tool for achieving social status. Therefore, they do not care about the standards of the profession and the skills of those who practice it, but rather prevent those in the profession from advancing their social status by excelling in it. Excellence is the enemy of equality. After all, it highlights the outstanding person over his or her surroundings (this is what the word Zion means). It is no wonder that the left fights day and night for the integration of “weak” in school classrooms, even at the expense of the progress of talented students.
Regarding Bibi. There are two types of prime ministers. Those of the type of defense minister and those of the type of foreign minister. There are no longer any of the first type today who excel in their work (with leadership qualities). In the past, these were Begin, Rabin, and Sharon. Today, most of them are gray chiefs of staff lacking charisma. Bibi is of the second type. And there is no dispute in the world that as foreign minister and explainer, he is number one. In the security sector, he is as weak as everyone else. It is clear that the entire war of the left against Bibi is because he has presence. As soon as he becomes the head of Likud, the dwarf next in line below him (Yuli Edelstein. Really? Is this our next prime minister? I hope that at least Barkat will be elected (and he himself seems to me like Olmert)) the war of the left will be over.
Emmanuel, before you pour out all your profound insights on all of us, you should take a minute to read what is written to you. So here is my help with reading comprehension in the context of encouraging excellence.
I did not speak anywhere about Bibi's lack of talent, nor about Lapid and Michaeli's talent. I spoke about the fact that Bibi does not encourage talent and personality around him. He throws out anyone endowed with third-grade talent and above and a minimal independent personality (just like Stalin), and actually mainly the combination of both (you can accept talent as long as there is no personality and vice versa). This is how you get the poor flock of sheep around him. Almost all of politics, and not just her, around us are refugees from Bibi and Sarah. So to say that the left encourages mediocrity after talking about Bibi is a bad joke.
Although I don't like this neediness, and I don't really like academia, I can't help but note the distribution of political opinions among academics. So to associate the right with a desire for excellence and its encouragement, it really sounds lame (and I'm really careful about understatement). And I haven't even listed the politicians from the right, brilliant and personalities one by one. I stopped so as not to say what I think of this herd of idiots and personalityless people, the product of the right's desire for excellence. And as for your rants about affirmative action and generalizations about what the left wants, I'll leave it for now. In the next seven blessings, I'll sing to you “We will be blessed to see boys”.
What you said is indeed true and I regret it very much. And this itself stems from the decline of generations. It shows a lack of self-confidence that he lacks (and he shouldn't have such a lack of confidence). But it doesn't characterize the right. It's a fact that there is Bennett (who is also not as talented as Bibi). Even if there are other talented forces, they are in the right-wing camp and not in the left, whose current flagship ideology is mediocrity.
With regard to academia, first of all, a distinction must be made between the natural sciences and the humanities. But even in the natural sciences, the situation is not promising. I don't think that those who excel in the natural sciences who are left-wingers are such out of thought (I don't know how much politics interests them at all), and most of them are probably out of modeling. Personally, I was disappointed in this world out of the impression that today, at least, they are busy producing articles and not creating an understanding of the world. My younger brother is currently studying for a doctorate in high-energy physics at the Weizmann Institute (I began personally tutoring him at the beginning of his studies in physics and mathematics when he was 14 years old, and as a result, he graduated with a bachelor's degree from Bar Ilan in the first year of the arrangement) and he confirms my words with warmth. He told me that today the profession of a physicist is to produce articles in physics (and less to produce an understanding of the world of physics). His supervisor, by the way, is Ofer Aharoni, who has achieved one or two achievements in this field and is an infantile leftist (as my brother testifies. That is, a leftist out of belief in ideas that have nothing to do with reality). If he had exercised his skills (his sense of criticism) in this field, there is no chance that he would have remained a leftist. I think he is a representative example.
By the way, when I talk about excellence and the right, I am of course talking about the economic and social right, mainly. This is big money, after all, and not the ancient debate about the settlement of the Land of Israel. Excellence is not just academia, it is also engineering and industry. I am interested to know how many leftists who are willing to impose high taxes on themselves in order to support enemies and ultra-Orthodox people are out there.
By the way, what you wrote only proves my point about the left. After all, the foreign minister is the senior left-wing minister (as opposed to the defense minister, who is the senior right-wing minister). Bibi actually excels in a left-wing field. His fear of outstanding people stems precisely from his left-wing side (which is his strong side). Sharon, despite being expelled from Gaza, was a right-wing man in every way. The left's war on him is only because he is one of their own who is good at what he does and he also had the misfortune that sociologists are associated with the other camp.
After all, they fought no less against Sharon. Sharon was a murderer (like Begin) and a violent and a liar from their perspective, wasn't he? Until, of course, he turned his talents against the settlers, and then he became a father and a brave man and a leader of a generation and blah blah blah.
Or, more simply, his fear stems, like Stalin's fear, from a simple fear of competition. And that is a very human thing (although it indicates weakness). But the economic right (not the fascist right) is an encouragement of competition. Bibi is actually a great believer in competition and the free market. Maybe he simply thinks that there are no more talented people like him and there is simply no one to promote (he once said this explicitly). It is a fact that all those who were rejected by him went to other parties and did not disappear from politics completely. And what can be done about them really not being as talented or as personable as him. It is a fact that they are not voted for. And they are more busy harboring resentment for him and boycotting him instead of developing themselves and growing up on their own. Who was talented and personable that Bibi did not promote and is not in politics today because of that? I still remember that in the 2009 elections, he placed Benny Begin, who was not elected by the Likud members. I heard he thinks the next one after him should be the head of the Shin Bet or something like that. Not that anyone is famous. Our generation is just empty. They're all dwarfs. I don't think it has anything to do with Bibi.
And speaking of the mediocrity of the left (and its war on excellence), this is of course no coincidence. After all, all these professions - professions that are mostly populated by leftists - are professions of criticism. That is, professions of those who say what is wrong and do nothing themselves. Professions of speakers and not of doers. Like journalists, lawyers, jurists, television and media people, professors of the humanities and social sciences, or professions that deal with the externalities - how things look, and not those that deal with the internalities, with the essences. This is typical of the global left. The rabbi wrote the book about it. This is the characteristic of the empty left. It deals with form - in form - and not with the content, with the essence. That's why all the media people and movie actors and directors and TV people, the vast majority of them leftists - they are a bunch of empty models. Or lawyers who don't care about justice but only about the law. And after all, excellence comes through creation - which is an activity of content and essence. Creation requires depth. And after all, the essence of the left is externality and superficiality. I'm not the only one with this opinion, the author of the book Two Carts also thinks like me (what's left of him today is a pale shadow of who he was in the past. Especially in terms of creativity. The new Rabbi Michai doesn't have a shred of creativity. He's as dry as a tree)
Saar promised his voters that he would not go with Bibi and he does not intend to break his promise. Bibi does not intend to move and let someone else on the right be at the helm, so the beautiful idea of a right-wing government of 65 – is a beautiful idea but not one of the options that we face in reality. Is it wise to deal with unrealistic ideas? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Is Ayman Odeh still a trustworthy person – in my opinion, no. Everyone should believe in whom they choose, but do not be surprised if it does not convince others. And in general, in things that you can analyze yourself and calculate the advantages and disadvantages, it is advisable to do so even over advice from a trustworthy person.