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A brief note on the book "Matsoi Rishon" p. 450 "Faith and Revelation"

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Danish asked 3 weeks ago

Hello Rabbi.
I am currently repeating your triology again. Right now in the book "Matzoi Rishon" on page 450, where you wrote: "For you, belief in God is a claim of "fact" and therefore people who keep mitzvot out of national identification or nostalgic feelings or out of religiousness and connection to mysticism are not truly believers, compared to those who keep mitzvot out of "the truth" (a kind of categorical commandment of faith/"faith for its own sake" by Leibowitz, z"l). You define the latter as truly "believers". This division between people who "believe in such and such" and "true" philosophical believers is not so clear to me. In the end, even those who go to synagogue and keep mitzvot because "their grandfather was a rabbi" or the religious mystic who prays with the intentions of the Rashash after immersing themselves in ice water in the morning Ashmore believe that this is "the truth" even though it is not philosophical? Maimonides (Hilchot Teshuvah, chapter 10) emphasizes and divides between the simple masses who work out of fear/love and the elite A philosopher who "does the truth because it is true." If so, there is no such thing as a pretend believer or a true believer, there is simply a difference in the level of "faithful recognition" at the very least. 

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Michi Staff answered 3 weeks ago

Let's start with someone who doesn't believe in God at all. Is it clear that his commandments are not commandments even if he is filled with religious sentiment and/or national and family nostalgia? This is what I called: commandments require faith. Without this, we are talking about actions that are not part of religious worship of God.

Now you can ask about someone who does believe and understands that he is obligated, but in practice that is not what motivates him to keep the mitzvot. Here he has a mitzvah but not for its own sake.

My people replied 1 week ago

How do you explain the rule that Israel is a believing nation? And Moses turned to God after he performed the signs and wonders. Moses was afraid that the people would only believe because they saw the signs and wonders. Then God answered him. And the people believed.

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

For your sake, I hope this was an attempt (unsuccessfully) to be funny and not written seriously.

My people replied 1 week ago

There is such a perception. That's why I asked? Your Hungarian sarcasm is understandable, but it doesn't work on me!

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

It's obvious that it doesn't work, which is a shame. I would have expected you to have already drawn conclusions regarding your questions.

My people replied 1 week ago

Maybe you'll enlighten me, I really mean it. But honestly. And not just to insult. And I'm sure I have some good questions too, don't I? It doesn't make sense for someone to be a failure all the time, I think.

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

You appear under a lot of nicknames, so readers here don't see the amount of questions and comments I make to you. That's why I also respond harshly, because your name doesn't appear on the site and there's no shame in public here. I have no problem with them asking any question they want, but I expect a drop of thought.
I have already pointed out to you more than once that you don't seem to take a moment to think before you ask a question. Most of them are completely irrelevant. I understand that this is not a troll but rather an innocent one, but after several comments I expect you to draw conclusions. For example, here, you bring up the kindergarten teacher's vort and expect an explanation of how my words fit with it. Why should they fit? I am not obligated to fit in with the interpretations of the great rishonim either. Beyond all of this, in the particular case here I see no contradiction even to the vort you raised.
I invest quite a bit of time writing and answering each question, and I expect at least a little more serious questions.

People's Daily replied 1 week ago

Okay. I was talking about the concept of an internal and natural belief. That some of us have it openly, and I think subconsciously for everyone. And all the rest are excuses to reinforce or refute it.

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

And what's the question? You're driving me crazy. Phrase the question clearly. What is my claim, and what is your question about it?

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