Another game combination to prevent the selector problem in Monopoly
Greetings to the Honorable Rabbi,
I have a question about the work of an arbitrator.
In a Monopoly game, as far as I understand, as long as the game is in progress, there is no problem sorting the bills and game cards. But after the game is over, when the bills are sorted and returned to their places, there may be a problem with the work of the selector.
Is it possible, for example, to create another game in which each participant quickly sorts the bills in his possession, and the winner is the one who finishes first? In this way, the sorting operation would be an integral part of the additional game, and would not be considered sorting for the sole purpose of arranging them. Could this solution avoid the problem of the arbitrator?
Possible. But it can be made easier even without that, since there is no waste and food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to this the opinions that there is no selector except in soil crops (and the fact that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be made easier.
Not only of a selector but also of preparation from Shabbat to the holiday, and it seems to me (if the Hamara Da'ara here agrees with what I say) that your idea solves that as well.
And here we have outside-the-box thinking that puts the inside of the box in order.
I don't think there's any preparation here. After use, you put the thing back in its place.
Hi,
I think there is no sacred preparation for the Sabbath here because I want my house to be tidy for my Shabbat enjoyment and not for all parts of Monopol to be in a mess.
Finishing something in life, arranging things.
Rabbi, I wanted to share the research I did, and it's hard for me to understand what you wrote about me.
"It can be made easier even without that, since there is no waste or food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to that the opinions that there is no selector except in soil crops (and the fact that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be made easier."
Regarding the classification, the explanation I found that reviews the paragraph in a good and professional manner for a person accustomed to it
It is in the following link.
https://www.meshivat-nefesh.org.il/post-163/
My understanding is that regarding the sorting of small objects, everyone agrees that it is arbitrary and that none of the rabbis today are rabbis who arbitrate solely based on their size from the land.
(Maybe I'm wrong 😊)
Those who do rule that it is permissible to sort by larger, visible things, I don't know from my research a rule that says that it is permissible to sort by small things as well. Maybe I missed something?
In my opinion, hundreds of Monopoly bills mixed together are very difficult to sort with the naked eye, and therefore they are considered a prohibited mixture. So I asked about another game if that would solve the problem, and the rabbi said yes.
I am not engaged in sorting and reviewing the methods of the Poskim. I am saying what I think.
How does your answer to this question align with what you wrote here:
There you wrote about the question:
Is it permissible to arrange the components of board games on Shabbat in their designated place after the game is over? For example, if we say there are red and blue soldiers and during the game they get mixed up, is it permissible to sort them into their separate bags at the end of the game?
And you answered: I don't think so. This is a selector.
It doesn't really work out. There is a case here that is really difficult to determine categorically. There I tended to be stricter and here I tended to be lenient. This is a tendency and not a firm statement.
But the considerations that led to the mitigation in this case all belong to the case where you made it worse:
"There is no waste or food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to that the opinions that there is no selector except in soil crops (and the fact that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be made easier."
True, that's why I wrote that it doesn't really work out. It's a borderline case and my inclinations about it were different.
So in fact, is it permissible to arrange games on Shabbat after playing them and the arrangement includes some sort of sorting?
As I wrote here, I think it can be made easier.
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