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Shabbat mode oven

ResponseCategory: HalachaShabbat mode oven
light asked 4 months ago

Hello Rabbi, 
Until today, we had a certain oven that had a Siemens Sabbath mode. 
We use it instead of a Shabbat plate. 
The new models no longer have a Sabbath mode and I wanted to buy the previous model, but now the vendors claim that it's not working either because it doesn't actually turn off the thermostat. 
Is there any point in this? 
After all, it's not cooking anyway, just heating.
thanks 

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Michi Staff answered 4 months ago

Not sure I understand. When you open a door, does that activate a thermostat? It's like a refrigerator, some people take it easy on it, but it should be made stricter. The problem isn't the cooking, it's the turning on of the electric heating.

 

light replied 4 months ago

Do the relievers have anything to rely on? Yes, I'm talking about a case where the thermostat apparently works after opening the door to reach the required temperature again.

Michi Staff replied 4 months ago

Yes, but barely. This is a Risha Danichal ruling on the prohibition that I think is from the Torah but according to the majority of rabbis. Beyond that, I think there is room to see this as being busy and not not intending. You are busy opening the door, and at the same time something else is happening. As some rabbis wrote about someone who walks by a light sensor and activates it, that there is no such thing as not intending and being busy. He is not busy activating the sensor but walking. Of course, there is a division.

Moses replied 4 months ago

What about the fact that the oven is a dumbass?

Michi Staff replied 4 months ago

A Sanhedrin was established and I didn't hear about it?!

Inborn replied 1 week ago

Rabbi, why is it necessary for a Sanhedrin to be established for this? After all, if using an oven is indeed considered a normal way of cooking, why doesn't it fall under the definition of a cook as a cook?

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

Because this is a new decree. It urges to introduce a new situation under an existing decree. Like the argument of a ban on cycling, lest it come to a correction.

Inborn replied 1 week ago

But the ruling is general for all cooking methods, isn't it? Why would a new situation that falls within the limits of the prohibition not be considered part of it? After all, if an oven had existed in their time, it would be quite simple for them to have been explicitly directed at it as well? Most, if not all, rulings, when there is no Sanhedrin, are word for word, right?
It's like if a new animal (that didn't exist in their time) were created that met the conditions of a pure animal, it would be considered pure, wouldn't it?

Thank you very much Rabbi for the answers.

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

There is a difference between the laws of the Torah and the laws of the Rabbis. In the Torah, a milita is compared to a milita more than in the Rabbis. Therefore, if a rule is not invalidated by a taste, it is by a khumarah and a kola. For example, no one would think of prohibiting soy foods like a tibbol with milk.

Michi Staff replied 1 week ago

Regarding the signs of purity, this does not concern us at all. The signs themselves were given there and the entire application is left to us. It is not a matter of word-for-word analogy.

Inborn replied 1 week ago

Regarding soy foods, it is not similar in my opinion, since the appearance of the raw material does not resemble meat at all. Moreover, the definition itself is specific to chicken and to something that looks like meat (fish is not included, for example). If a new type of chicken is now created that did not exist in their time, cooking/eating in milk should indeed be prohibited. No?

Regarding the signs of purity, I gave this as an example of a situation where once the conditions of the commandment/prohibition/decree are established, they are not limited to what existed at the time, but also "new" things, as long as they meet the criteria, will be subject to the prohibition.

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