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The destruction of the Temple

ResponseThe destruction of the Temple
Shimi asked 8 years ago

I heard an argument that the reason for gratuitous hatred for the destruction of the Jewish state is strange. 
And even more strangely, we have only been in exile for 70 years for serious offenses, and on this issue we have been in exile for hundreds of years.
What do you think about that?
And is it possible that we discovered it because of something more fundamental, such as a change in halakha to Pharisaic halakha?

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Michi Staff answered 8 years ago

Anything is possible. The metaphysical speculations about God's reasons have no value. I don't think anyone, including the sages, can know anything about that. I assume that this type of reasoning is simply used to promote ideas that seem important to them (not to hate without reason, etc.). The same goes for the speculation of exile because of Pharisaic law.
In general, there is an assumption here that the exile was brought about by God. I am not sure about this. At least in the second book, after he has already stopped being involved here in prophecy and miracles, it is doubtful to what extent he is involved in the exile. Perhaps the Romans brought about the exile and not God, and then the question is basically moot.
See here: https://mikyab.net//--%9 9---%D 7--/

Shimi replied 8 years ago

I don't understand. Are you assuming that God stopped watching over us individually since the days of the Second Temple?

Shimi replied 8 years ago

I find this argument difficult to accept for the following reasons:
A. According to you, prayer has no meaning (both for private and national requests)
B. Only things I recently learned about in my high school history class have no explanation other than God's intervention in the world, such as the Holocaust and the establishment of the State of Israel.

Michi Staff replied 8 years ago

Say hello.
These things have been discussed at length here on the site.
And being an adult in history has nothing to do with this. Both the Holocaust and the establishment of the state can be natural events. On the contrary, there are some complex issues with the claim that God caused the Holocaust.

Shimi replied 8 years ago

C. The case of my constitution certainly proves the providence at the national level in accordance with our actions as a nation.

Michi Staff replied 8 years ago

If I bother to write, I expect you to also read what I wrote.

Shimi replied 8 years ago

These are events that can certainly happen naturally, but those who read about them see a deliberate hand.
Murder of millions in an orderly and ingenious manner
Gathering refugees from all over the world and building a modern Western state from scratch in a few years, while waging a series of wars with the entire environment and with extremely meager means.

Shimi replied 8 years ago

I simply didn't see that you answered the link about the issue of prayer and the chapter on the constitutions (for example, the Holocaust and the establishment of the state)

Michi Staff replied 8 years ago

These are at most events with a low probability. But a low probability does not prove that they are the work of God. Throughout history, events with a low probability may also occur randomly.
I answered the section in my laws (there is a difference between the Torah period and our time). I did not answer the prayer because the matter has already been discussed here to the point of exhaustion.

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