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7 clean

asked 8 years ago

Shalom Rabbi, I know that the entire issue of 7 cleans is a broad and extensive issue and cannot be answered casually. However, since I read some of your comments, and found myself challenged and interested, and especially find that there is a substantive and relevant approach to the various issues, I thought I would try to ask my question here. From what I have learned in the laws of Nida, it seems that 7 cleans were built as a severity upon severity that was acceptable to everyone. Today, I see that around me these laws no longer concern everyone. I feel that this is an issue that is very difficult for couples, and therefore some find their way within the laws of Nida. (When I say difficult, I am not referring to the fact that it is difficult for couples to “hold back”, but rather to difficult times when they just want a hug, or the ability to communicate not only with words…referring to touch that is not only sexual…) I did not come to ask whether it is okay to do so, because after all, not everything that is difficult we do not do. My question – can I ask myself whether these laws are correct for our generation? Is there a place to discuss the 7 clean according to the law (or custom) that needs to be discussed again and considered in light of cultural changes? I am mainly frustrated that I do not feel that there is a substantive discussion on the subject, but a discussion accompanied by arguments of: slippery slope, this is how the women of Israel behaved or – it greatly strengthens the bond when half of the month there is a prohibition on touching (and if you do not feel this way, you are probably wrong…) I would appreciate any comments, best regards, Gila

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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago

Hello.
As for the issue itself, it is indeed complicated. There is the severity of Rabbi Zira and the custom of the women of Israel who were stricter on themselves, and there is also a dimension of actual halakhic regulation. Sometimes it is strictly legal (in the sense of theft) and sometimes it is more severe. It depends on which of the seven days and the four or five days before them. There is no room here to go into all of that. Therefore, here I will only enter into the fundamental discussion within the framework you have set.
I would also like to point out that there are also relevant discussions on the subject, and you can search and read them. For example, here: http://puah.org.il/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%AA-%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C-%D7%91%D7%96%D7%9E%D7%9F-%D7%94%D7%96%D7%94/
Now regarding the context of your remarks.
First, I very much agree with your feeling that people today tend not to engage in personal issues for fear of a slippery slope. The implicit assumption is that a complex answer, such as it is permissible but there is a risk of a slippery slope, is dangerous and therefore they prefer to immediately move on to a discussion of the second order (slippery slopes). I, on the other hand, think that the danger of the simplistic approach is much greater, because people lose faith in the halakha and the poskim and do not believe them even when they tell the truth that the thing is forbidden (for fear that they are prohibiting it only because of the slippery slopes).
Second, there is room to ask about both custom and complete halakhah, whether they are relevant to our day. It is true that there are mechanisms for changing halakhic law even when the reason is null, but this is a relevant question and worth discussing. Ultimately, even if we reach the conclusion that change is necessary, it may not be possible due to considerations of authority, but there are cases in which it is possible. In any case, it is important to discuss its four aspects: 1. Its substance (is change necessary, is there a need for change). 2. Its substance (is there a halakhic possibility of change). 3. The second order (danger of deviations and consequences). 4. The question of authority. And it is no less important to separate the levels of discussion.
Regarding the change in halakhic law, see my words here: https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%90%D7%9D-%D7%99%D7%A9-%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%95%D7% 93%D7%94-%D7%96%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9 C-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A1-%D7%9C%D7%92%D7%95%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95/
Third, even when asking about relevance, it is important to note that there is significant weight to realistic change. For example, in your example, the couple’s relationship was also relevant in the past, and therefore in this particular question it is more difficult to permit based on a change in reality. It is not that there was any fundamental change here. So why was it not permitted in the past? It is true that this is not a categorical claim, since even what was prohibited in the past may be permissible for us to permit and discuss. But this is an important consideration. It can of course be argued that the relationship would have included more aspects of affection and discourse, while in the past it was usually mainly building a house in the technical sense, but I am not sure that is really true.
Beyond that, there are quite a few who claim that this forced separation actually improves the relationship, as the distance causes more desire and longing for the permitted times. I don’t know if this is true and if it is true for everyone, but it is a significant argument in my opinion. This is also a consideration that must be taken into account in the question of the need for change.
 

משה replied 6 years ago

What is the Rabbi's opinion on halachic infertility that occurs following a homrah of Dr. Zira?

מיכי Staff replied 6 years ago

What can I say? Too bad. Infertility is not good and unpleasant. I assume the intention was to ask about the cancellation of the severity, so it would be better to formulate the question well.
Everyone agrees that if Rabbi Zira's severity creates infertility, it can be treated in various ways, and is actually done. The question of whether this is a sufficient reason to completely cancel this severity or whether it is better to deal with individual cases that arise is a different question. I do not have a clear position on it, and it does not seem that important to me.

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