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A distinction is made between permissible and unacceptable.

שו”תCategory: Talmudic studyA distinction is made between permissible and unacceptable.
asked 5 years ago

Hello Rabbi Michi
How are you?
I heard Monday’s lesson tonight. When you talked about Shabbat being permitted or postponed by the Pikuach Nefesh, you brought up the issue of whether or not a reply is needed, and you rejected it completely, and rightly so.
It seems to me that a similar but not identical question can be offered – is atonement necessary for desecrating the Sabbath? Atonement is a concept that refers to the impurity that arises from an act of transgression. If we say “permissible,” there is no problematic act here, there is no impurity and no need for atonement. But if we say only “rejection,” then there is a price for rejection, the impurity that arises from desecrating the Sabbath, and even though you are righteous because you saved a soul, and did exactly what should have been done, and will do so next time, with all of this the act is still desecrating the Sabbath and requires atonement.
It seems to me that this is almost the very definition of the investigation.
I think my concern is understandable, and yet there is a parable that I always think of in the context of Haftza and Gabra that I think explains the matter here as well. Medication is unhealthy. A sick person is not our responsibility, he must take the medication that will save his life, but when he gets better we will suggest that he take much less medication from now on, cleanse his body, etc.
On the other hand, if a person ran a red light because he was in a hurry to get to the hospital, since the prohibition on driving through a red light is arbitrary, problematic by chance and not problematic in essence, or in other words – by necessity and not by choice.
It seems that this same principle is also true in the case of a permissible or rejected cough.

What do you think about this type of product?
Good night


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מיכי Staff answered 5 years ago
I think I said in class that it is not necessary to say that both sides of the investigation are identical (as the positivists claim), and this is if we assume that there are metaphysical dimensions to the offenses. In such a situation it is possible (although of course not necessary) that something was damaged even if I did it with permission. What you are describing is something very similar, and I still do not see a halachic neph”m here. If you mean to say that the person is supposed to do something for the atonement, then this would be a halachic neph”m. But apart from the answer, I do not see what action he could be required to do (a sacrifice is clearly not offered in such a situation). Therefore, there may be a difference between the two sides (as I also said), but I still do not see a neph”. Scholarly discussions deal with halachic neph”m, not with metaphysical or meta-halachic discussions. The study of what is permissible or unacceptable is done in the Beit Midrash in the order of study, not in the order of morality. Incidentally, the Ben Ish Chai writes in two places that when a person does something with permission or even accidentally, there are no metaphysical consequences. He reiterates that even if a person has worn invalid tefillin his entire life accidentally (because he did not know it was invalid) he fulfills the commandment of tefillin (not just that he has violated it by force). See my comments here (in section 6, after note 20): https://mikyab.net/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%96%D7%A7-%D7%91%D7%90%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%9C %D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9F-%D 7%91%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97-%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%99-%D7%99%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%94 Good night,

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