A fire on Saturday – A country I am
Rabbi Michi Shalom
According to the “dry” halacha – if the person will definitely return (Beit Meir/Nataf/Chalamish) there is no reason to turn off the lights in the houses – as the Maimonides wrote.
However, it seems that no jurist would rule in this way because, in the background, they understand that these are state laws and that in the state, the law is what I am.
No one will put this on the table – but this might be an opportunity
What do you think?
I don’t think it has to do with state laws. Why is it different in a state? Here we are talking about a danger to individuals, and it doesn’t matter who controls the state. One could roughly say that there is a concern that if they don’t allow it, then in another case where there is a danger to lives, people will simply get worse, and therefore there is always room for leniency. But the reformers from the Talmud should have taken that into account.
It is true that in our day this would not be accepted by the general public, and there is room to see it as the constraint of living among Gentiles.
I will note that there is much to discuss regarding the issue of extinguishing a fire on Shabbat (for example, why is it important if there is a rabbinical prohibition to extinguish it – this is rabbinical because it is a shalal, an extinguishing that does not require coal – after all, I will violate the rabbinical prohibition in order to save all my money. Similar to what Toss Shabbat 4:1 wrote that if they tell him not to bring down the fat, he will not listen to them).
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Asks:
It will not be accepted by the public – so it’s like living among the Gentiles where there is real protection for the soul
If there was a fire in your house in ancient Ashkenaz – the only option to save your life is to escape (wooden houses and an open fire for cooking and heating – the winter house…)
Why does it belong to the laws of the state – because there is a difference whether a village burns down or a state goes up in flames (even if we saved everyone… in the submarines that Bibi bought)
It seems to me that last Shabbat, the “dry” halacha was stretched to the limit… seemingly without basis (people evacuated by car to distant places – not just to escape death – and more…
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Rabbi:
Come on… a country on fire? Are you sure we live in the same place? There’s no difference between the fires that were here and a fire in a single house (a villa in the jungle). Only here there were a few houses. So what?
By the way, I also don’t understand why all the families are being compensated for the house that burned down. What difference does it make if hundreds of houses burned down or one? Every family has one house that burned down, and in a single family, no one compensates them (unless they have insurance). This is the same hysteria that makes people feel like a country is burning down.
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Asks:
That is, if you don’t deal with the fire – it will get out of control and the damage to the country will be unbearable (you can imagine all the Carmel neighborhoods burning in a reformed country (assuming there were no firefighters on Shabbat because there is no life protection)
Any fire that is caused by terrorism – the state compensates, and rightfully so (like throwing a stone in Judea and Samaria and breaking a lamp). And whatever is not caused by terrorism, apparently those who don’t have insurance will eat it… …unless the politicians get involved….
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Rabbi:
This is an unbearable collection of harms for every citizen. I still don’t see a difference.
By the way, not only is it forbidden to extinguish it, but it is even forbidden to save the property except for food, meals, clothing for that day, and holy books (lest he be in a hurry with his belongings and it is extinguished).
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