A question of course
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Did you refer to the wonderful K.O. below in your writings?
If so, where is his honor?
If not – what should be said about it?
Babylonian Talmud Tractate Yoma Page 10 Page 1
Rabba bar bar Hanna said, Rabbi Yochanan said on behalf of Rabbi Yehuda bar Rabbi Elai: The future of Rome is that it will fall at the hands of the Persians. It is easy to see why; and what about the first temple, which the sons of Shem despised and the Chaldeans destroyed – the Chaldeans fell at the hands of the Persians, while the second temple, which the Persians despised and the Romans destroyed – is it not a rule that the Romans fell at the hands of the Persians?
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“Sixth, rejoice, daughter of Edom, dwelling in the land of Oz, the cup will pass over you too, you will be drunk and become drunk.”
“The Jews and the Gentiles of Constantinople, who were born in the land of Armenia, were the inhabitants of the land of Egypt. When the time of the Persians came upon you, and the throne of the Jews passed over you, you were filled and emptied.”
And there is something to add, that the words ‘Benahu the sons of Shem’ mean that they are dealing with the family hierarchical relationship between the builder and the destroyer. The Chaldeans are the sons of Ham or Japheth (see Ramban Genesis 11:28. Here too, the translation in Lamentations takes a side in chapter 5 verse 8: “Servants of Ham, their son” – “Benahu the sons of Shem, their son ruled over them”); and the Romans are, as is customary, the sons of Esau from the sons of Shem. And the 16th is like the second option: the Chaldeans are very powerful, for they jumped steps in the proper hierarchy and destroyed the sons of Shem, and the Romans did not become so powerful, since in total they destroyed those lower than them, so it is clear that the Persians will overcome them. —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: It should be noted that the verse does not say that the Romans will fall at the hands of the Persians, but only that they too will fall. This did indeed happen. The interpretation of Chazal or the translator apparently did not hold.
Although at first I didn’t understand how the translator writes that Constantine is Karta Dadum. I thought the Eastern Kingdom was later. But now I checked and indeed it was founded in the 4th century AD (and only its name in Israel, Byzantium, is later). Constantinople, named after Constantine, has existed since then. Interesting. Now I saw on Wikipedia about the Book of Lamentations:
Similarly, he interprets the “Edom” mentioned in the Megillah (Lamentations 4:21-22) as a name for “Rome.” [72] In his commentary on these verses, he incidentally reveals a Byzantine period of composition. [73][74] —————————————————————————————— Shua: I forgot the main point and only came up with the translation in Acha. And here is the main point: [It has been years since I read the wonderful book, especially in the Midot Harash series] Are there any more examples of a Qo’ah that does not teach a law (that a person or a frog must observe) but a reality, and is it reasonable to assume that the boundaries of such a Qo’ah are identical to all the rules of the Midot Harash Qo’ah? (For example, here of course, ‘penalties’ from the law. But the question, for example, whether the parts of the law that require verses for them will also apply to such a Qo’ah) —————————————————————————————— Rabbi: Chen Chen.
In a realistic scenario, there would be no ink at all. After all, in reality, ink has no meaning (and perhaps neither does the scenario). The “ink” deals with what we know about reality, not reality itself. Thus, if I know that a lion is stronger than a tiger, and I know that a tiger will overcome a cat, then the scenario of a lion will overcome a cat and everything that is weaker than a tiger. That is what I know. But it is clear that in reality a lion will also overcome someone who is stronger than a tiger, but I cannot know this from these data alone (that he overcomes a tiger).
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