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A scientific layman in a halachic discussion

שו”תCategory: Meta HalachaA scientific layman in a halachic discussion
asked 7 years ago

Hello.
I have often heard the opinion of the Chazo’a that there is something wrong with turning on electricity on Shabbat, that he did not understand electricity.
Besides, the Anad has no basis for this claim, and it is fair to say that the Chazo also understood electricity.
But my main argument was that in order to discuss what concerns the laws of Shabbat, there is no need at all to understand electricity; it is enough for us to see that the connection of the two wires creates any kind of action in order to discuss it from a halakhic perspective [remember the words of the later scholars that one should not discuss what is not visible to the poor].
What does the rabbi think about that?
 

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מיכי Staff answered 7 years ago

In my opinion, there is a basis for this feeling. It is unlikely that the engineer understood what electricity is because to understand it, one needs to study quite a bit, and he did not do so.
The Chaz’a has several different justifications for prohibiting electricity, and some of them seem completely far-fetched. Although his claim that it awakens the thread from death to life seems very logical to me (I first heard this from Rabbi Shabtai Rappaport), and I even discussed it in this lesson:
https://soundcloud.com/mikyabchannel/mu38nc3axt6f
As for the question of how much understanding is required to determine a halakha, I tend to think that in most cases it is not that important. But there are cases where it is. I dealt with this in the previous lesson there, which unfortunately I do not have a recording of.

ספי replied 7 years ago

It's a shame to lose and not forget.

משה replied 7 years ago

To predict two claims, one is from death to life and the second is that there is a cancellation here, the circle is closed to each other and the cancellation is condemned as a strike. Does that sound lame?

מיכי Staff replied 7 years ago

There are other claims, for example: electrocution due to the wires. I think there are even more.

משה replied 7 years ago

This is the cancellation mentioned in my words, which is not at all an illusory claim and there are no arguments.

בני replied 7 years ago

Can you please explain the meaning of: to electrocute with wires

And also explain: to cancel the circuit to each other and the cancellation is considered to be a shock

משה replied 7 years ago

In the Gamma on Shabbat, it is mentioned that connecting two cufflinks with a strong connection is obligatory. The prophet explains that this is not a matter of maintaining, but rather that if the connection is strong, the parts have canceled each other out and become one object, and this is constructive (in tools).
He claims that this is what happens when electrical wires are closed over (I am of Hungarian origin, so it came out as “hoti”).
It is true that the assumption that when I turn on electricity, it is canceling wires, because I want it to be possible to turn it off. The prophet refers to this, with difficulty)

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