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Another game combination to prevent the selector problem in Monopoly

שו”תAnother game combination to prevent the selector problem in Monopoly
asked 7 months ago

 
Greetings to the Honorable Rabbi,
I have a question about the work of an arbitrator.
In a Monopoly game, as far as I understand, as long as the game is in progress, there is no problem sorting the bills and game cards. But after the game is over, when the bills are sorted and returned to their places, there may be a problem with the work of the selector.
Is it possible, for example, to create another game in which each participant quickly sorts the bills in his possession, and the winner is the one who finishes first? In this way, the sorting operation would be an integral part of the additional game, and would not be considered sorting for the sole purpose of arranging them. Could this solution avoid the problem of the arbitrator’s job?


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מיכי Staff answered 7 months ago
Possible. But it can be made easier even without that, since there is no waste and food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to this the opinions that there is no selector except in soil crops (and the fact that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be made easier.

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י. replied 7 months ago

Not only of a selector but also of preparation from Shabbat to Shabbat, and it seems to me (if the rabbi here agrees with my words) that your idea solves that too.
And here we have thinking outside the box that arranges the inside of the box.

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

I don't think there's any preparation here. After use, you put the thing back in its place.

השואל replied 7 months ago

Hi,
I think there is no sacred preparation for the world here because I am interested in my Shabbat pleasure that my house be tidy and not that all parts of Monopoly be in a mess.
Finishing something in life, tidying up.

Rabbi I wanted to share a study I did and it is difficult for me if the things you wrote about
“ can be simplified even without this, since there is no waste and food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to this the opinions that there is no selector except for soil crops (and that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be simplified. ”
Regarding the sorting, the explanation that I found that reviews the paragraph well and professionally for the average person
is in the following link
https://www.meshivat-nefesh.org.il/post-163/

My understanding is that regarding the sorting of small objects, everyone agrees that it is a selector and that none of the poskim today is a poskim who selects only by growing it from the ground.
(Maybe I'm wrong 😊 )

Those who rule that it is permissible to sort by larger, visible things, I don't know from my research a rule that says that it is permissible to sort by small things as well. Maybe I missed something?
In my opinion, hundreds of Monopoly bills mixed together are very difficult to sort by sight, and therefore they are considered a forbidden mixture. So I asked about another game if that solves the problem and the rabbi said yes.

מיכי Staff replied 7 months ago

I am not engaged in sorting and reviewing the methods of the Poskim. I am saying what I think.

אורן replied 2 months ago

How does your answer to this question align with what you wrote here:

https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%A7%D7%99-%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA/

There you wrote about the question:
Is it permissible to arrange the components of board games on Shabbat in their designated place after the game is over? For example, if we say there are red and blue soldiers and during the game they got mixed up, is it permissible to sort them into their separate bags at the end of the game?

And you answered: In my opinion, no. This is a matter of choice.

מיכי Staff replied 2 months ago

It doesn't really work out. There is a case here that is really difficult to determine categorically. There I tended to be stricter and here I tended to be lenient. This is a tendency and not a firm statement.

אורן replied 2 months ago

But the considerations that made you lenient in this case all belong to the case where you made it stricter:
“There is no waste and food here because you are interested in all parts of the game. And if we add to this the opinions that there is no selector except in soil crops (and that you are selecting here by hand and not with a tool) I think it can be lenient.”

מיכי Staff replied 2 months ago

True, that's why I wrote that it doesn't really work out. It's a borderline case and my inclinations about it were different.

אורן replied 2 months ago

So in fact, is it permissible to arrange games on Shabbat after playing them and the arrangement includes some sort of sorting?

מיכי Staff replied 2 months ago

As I wrote here, I think it can be made easier.

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