Another question for the rabbi regarding Rabbi Akiva

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asked 7 years ago

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In another video, I saw that the Messianics make two claims about Rabbi Akiva.

1. Rabbi Akiva invented the sermon. Is this true? I’ve never heard of that.

2. Rabbi Akiva is not a Jew. Why? If I understand correctly, they claim that he is a descendant of Edomite converts about whom it is written that they will not come in the congregation until the third generation. As far as I know, Rabbi Akiva is a descendant of Sisera, king of Canaan. Was Sisera an Edomite? And even if so, couldn’t Rabbi Akiva be the grandson of the Gentiles who converted, Moas?

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מיכי Staff answered 7 years ago

1. It is written that he invented everything according to Rabbi Akiva. But there is no statement here that he invented everything. Absolutely not, because it is mentioned that he himself studied with Rabbi Yehoshua and Rebbe, and they also studied with their predecessors. This is nonsense. 2. The Rebbe was a son of a Jew, but of course a Jew. I don’t know exactly what his lineage was, but it’s possible that his mother was an Edomite or his grandfather. In any case, simply living abroad is permissible and there is only a marriage prohibition. https://www.yeshiva.org.il/wiki/index.php?title=%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94_%D7%AA%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93%D7%99%D7%AA:%D7%90%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%99

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י' replied 7 years ago

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Thank you very much for the answer.

Possible? That is, we do not know whether Rabbi Akiva's parents were the ones who converted or his grandparents. Is that right? In addition, we do not know if they were red. Is that right?

Thank you very much,

מיכי Staff replied 7 years ago

I don't know where they got the idea that he was an Edomite immigrant. It is written in the Gemara that he was the son of immigrants. It is written that he was one of the sons of Sisera (see Sanhedrin 20:2, for the version of R. Gaon Berakhot 27:2). Sisera was the army chief of Jabin, king of Canaan.
I am not aware of any source that his parents were immigrants, and it is certainly possible that they were his parents' parents or even higher. A "son of immigrants" in the Talmudic tradition is a descendant in some generation, not necessarily a son.