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Are we expected to be that smart to believe?

שו”תCategory: faithAre we expected to be that smart to believe?
asked 2 years ago

Peace and blessings, Your Eminence,
From the little I heard of the rabbi, it came to me that faith is a rational matter that can be reached intellectually, although this is not scientific proof. I hope I understood things correctly. In any case, the idea is that faith is rational. It seems to me that it does not correspond to the Torah’s view, since according to tradition, the Torah was given to all Israel to foolish sages of all kinds, and it seems puzzling that only one in a thousand or a million would reach the intellectual conclusion that there is a God. What about the rest of the people? Not even fools, but any person who does not have a high level of intelligence or who is not sufficiently preoccupied with the subject or who does not have free time to deal with it will not reach this conclusion. Rather, the Torah apparently conveys faith in God as a simple matter and one should rely on tradition in this matter, as is written a lot in the Book of Deuteronomy, for “Ask in the early days,” etc., and much more, that faith is handed down from father to son.
This question also belongs to the Maimonides, who based faith on logical and intellectual proofs, but he also wrote explicitly that the masses believe without proof and must accept things as they are, but seemingly this alone proves that the Torah was not handed down only to great sages who would reach conclusions, but rather by tradition, as the Maimonides says, that faith is built on the tradition of the miracles that occurred in the Exodus from Egypt.
I hope I clarified the question fairly.
These are invitations to thank you for the sophistication that enriches and opens the eyes of the blind.
Thank you very much and have a good day.
 


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מיכי Staff answered 2 years ago
The fact that it is a rational thing does not mean that everyone has to be a philosopher. Some people are content with religious intuition, and that is perfectly fine. Others require more detailed arguments. Each according to his level. The Torah also requires observance of the Halacha, which is not fully possible for every person. Tradition is a completely rational argument. There are appeals to tradition and there are also answers. But the one who is satisfied by tradition has no problem with that. He is a rational person. Even in various fields of science, we receive things from experts without having the ability to test them. The layperson makes an external consideration of whether to believe this or that expert. So this way is also possible in faith.

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תומר לוי replied 2 years ago

Shalom Rabbi, thank you for the answer,
In light of the words “The layman makes an external consideration of whether to believe this expert or another” it appears that the person's decision is based on the more persuasive argument. It is possible that for one the first argument will be more convincing and for another the other argument will be more convincing, for example in matters of faith, the question is only if I learn as much as my knowledge touches on this subject and am convinced of a certain side. Is this decision forced upon me? If, for example, I am more convinced that there is a God, do I even have the power to choose another option? And if not, then the entire foundation of the Torah on the choice given to man is incorrect, and in simple words, the ’ cannot punish the unbeliever or reward the believer and the entire Torah falls apart.
I assume that you have certainly dealt with this subject and there is a book on it, but I have not found it yet and I would be happy to resolve this annoyance.
Regarding what you wrote, that there are people who are content with religious intuition, and that is perfectly fine - intuition can deceive or lie, and if so, it could be that in my mind I understand that there is no Torah from heaven, for example, but I have a strong desire for a sense of belonging and an anchor in this world, and therefore I am drawn to believe that there is a Torah from heaven, information from the Creator that teaches me what I should do in the world. However, it is possible that this stems from a mental problem that I have and that I must deal with it and not project this problem onto the Torah and, as a result, decide on the side of the Torah, because there is no basis for this. And if that person goes to therapy and is healed or feels a sense of belonging and an anchor somewhere else in the world and no longer needs the Torah, and leaves it, it turns out that the basis of the Torah was false and did not exist to begin with, and therefore it seems that the Torah must necessarily have a rational and healthy basis without emotional tendencies that may arise from mental problems whose treatment is in the psychologist's chair or by taking pills. Therefore, to base faith on the decision of arguments for and against and I was convinced that it is more in favor even if I cannot prove that it is truly true and it is also possible that my rational decision has an emotional [and morbid] touch I still have no way of knowing this and I trust it because there is at least some basis here or I trust the argument of the tradition passed down from generation to generation and I was convinced that this tradition began at Mount Sinai with the revelation of the Creator to the people, there is a basis for this but on emotion alone, that is, a voluntary decision to believe [and it seems to me that this is the reason for most believers and keepers of the Torah and the commandments] there is no basis for this and in any case the entire observance of the Torah and faith has no importance.
These questions bother me very much and I would be happy if you would be kind enough to settle my mind on this in your free time.
And again thank you very much

א replied 2 years ago

What about Maimonides, who claims that only a wise person can be righteous and that the goal is knowledge of the truth and the next world, which is achieved through the attainment of wisdom?

The claim that one must be wise in order to be “religious” or “believer” is not a new claim. Maimonides even takes it to an extreme.

א replied 2 years ago

What he does claim is that the commandments prepare a person for wisdom. All the commandments of divination, conjuration, and witchcraft are designed to prevent a person from being stupid and believing in nonsense and wallowing in folly.
And the commandments that are intended to limit a person, such as kosher, are designed to prevent him from wallowing in the pleasures of life and abandoning the pursuit of wisdom.

מיכי Staff replied 2 years ago

Tomer,
Is it new to you that there are differences of opinion between people? To the best of my judgment, discretion is not forced upon a person. See column 175.
And yet if a person chose, to the best of his understanding, a wrong choice, he does not deserve punishment. There is no contradiction in this with the punishments of the Torah. These come to those who act out of impulse.
Anything can deceive, and we have no better tool than intuition. So all that can be done is to try to avoid deception, and the Torah was not given to the ministering angels.

A,
First, I owe nothing to the Rambam. I am stating my opinion and not his. Second, I agree with the Rambam on this and there is no contradiction here in my words. Not the people of the land are chassids, as written in the Mishnah. But faith can also be with the people of the land.

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