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Attached is a link to the WhatsApp group of the Rabbi’s students. Everyone is invited.

שו”תAttached is a link to the WhatsApp group of the Rabbi’s students. Everyone is invited.
asked 8 years ago

To receive a link to the group, send an email to orenmarg@gmail.com

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מיכי Staff answered 8 years ago

This is already the third message on the subject. I suggest you combine them all under one title.

ישראל replied 8 years ago

What is the purpose of the group? Can you expand and define it a bit?

אדוק replied 8 years ago

I just want to point out that there are some of our Rabbanu Shalit’a’s students who are in dire straits and straits under the rule of the pious rabbis, and therefore we prevent them from receiving information (information from the rabbis) from WhatsApp, which is not available on the kosher telephone tool.
Therefore, it is necessary to be careful, in a valid way, to transmit any important information also through the websites, i.e. in the Itra Kadisha of the Law.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Our brothers, the entire House of Israel, who are in trouble and captivity, may the place have mercy on them and bring them out of trouble to ease, and from darkness to light, and from bondage to redemption, in the near future and in the near future.
And truly, we will answer that the place will bring them out if they bring themselves out. In my experience, bondage, like a tango, usually comes from two sides.

ישראל replied 8 years ago

Maybe the rabbi will join in? There are discussions there that really need it.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

I thought about joining. But now I'm convinced not to. 🙂 I don't want to have discussions on WhatsApp. Both because of lack of time and because that medium is difficult for me (ticking on the phone and without a computer). For general discussions there is this site, and I don't understand why that group is needed.
Actually I tried to be generally passive, but it seems to me that I can't join via scanning as suggested in the link here. I don't have such a decoder on my phone. Why don't you add like in every WhatsApp group?

ישראל replied 8 years ago

It's much more comfortable there, maybe it's worth a try.

שי זילברשטיין replied 8 years ago

Hi Rabbi Michi, I founded that group to study Torah in depth in the style of Michael Abraham, and to make issues that we cannot decide on available to the Rabbi here on the blog for review. I don't think it's worth digging into everything you can think of on your own…

y replied 8 years ago

I can send the rabbi a link to the group directly through your WhatsApp if needed.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

It seems to me that it is better to leave it as it is, as the saying goes: What is desired, time oppresses.

אבי replied 8 years ago

I just opened this link from my phone and it added me in. There was no need to scan a barcode.

אדוק replied 8 years ago

Following the (disparaging) response of the Honorable Rabbi, that ”the place will expel them if they expel themselves”:

Do not judge your friend until you reach his place.

It is known to His Honor that the average Haredi family is bound by social, community, family and economic ties to conventions.
If I use the ‘no connection’ device, I lose my place of study (and the ’Kollel’ scholarship), my children's place of study, my livelihood (my wife is a teacher at Beit Yaakov), and sever ties with my friends, and to a certain extent with my family members.

Would you be willing to provide financial and emotional guidance, advice and support to me and my family, until I can start a new life in a more open place?

ישראל replied 8 years ago

I suggest embedding WhatsApp in a prominent place on the site.

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

This is not a disparaging response but a completely factual one, and that is how my words here should be taken.
Two important points:
1. I know the constraints, and I still think people give in too quickly and too easily, and thus let the savage human take over. In my experience, even while living in an ultra-Orthodox society, as soon as I didn't let people dictate norms to me, they didn't do it. Of course, you also need to be willing to pay prices (and of course my prices were lower. I also had a family ‘outside’).
2. There is responsibility even when it is difficult and perhaps even impossible. See Rambam”l’ Kings 9:1-11 about the people of Shechem and in verse 67: https://mikyab.net/%D7%9C%D7%A7%D7%97%D7%99-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%90%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%93%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%96%D7%9D-%D7%96%D7%95%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%95%D7%90/

Another note. A distinction must be made between two situations: a. You give in because of personal and family difficulties. B. You give in because, from a religious-ethical perspective, you find the Haredi society preferable, despite its shortcomings, and you don't want to leave.
My words are mainly directed at situation A. But situation B is not entirely exempt from responsibility either (because even if the Haredi option is preferable to you, there is room to lie on the fence for the sake of the common good. And this is of course a claim against everyone, not just you. See point 2 above). I am generally not willing to be in trouble and captivity even if it is done for a proper purpose (and I still admit that I would not be bound to the same level by the Haredi society).

אהרן replied 8 years ago

”When a trout leaping at a fly baited with a rod is caught and finds that it can no longer swim freely, it begins a battle that results in struggles, splashes, and sometimes breaking free. Often the situation becomes too difficult for it.
In the same way, man struggles with his environment and the rods that trap him. Sometimes he succeeds in overcoming his difficulties, sometimes they overwhelm him. The world only sees these struggles, and naturally misses their significance. It is difficult for a free fish to understand what happens to a trapped fish”.
Karl Menninger –

מיכי Staff replied 8 years ago

Indeed. But the trapped fish fails in the opposite way: it tends to understand and accept itself too well.

ישראל replied 8 years ago

To the editor: It is a good idea to place the link in a prominent place on the website.

משה replied 7 years ago

Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if there is a way to connect to WhatsApp without scanning a bar code (i.e., via the computer). This is a ’kosher number’, is there a way to open WhatsApp via the computer without confirming on the phone?
Thanks

קובי replied 7 years ago

I suppose you can download some kind of additional Android operating system to your computer, through which you can download WhatsApp. Then put your number there.
(All this if the WhatsApp program allows you to check your number by voice dialing the numbers without an SMS message).

But not sure.

עופר replied 1 year ago

To the editor: Suggest taking down the first two comments in the thread.

מיכי Staff replied 1 year ago

I downloaded it. Thank you.

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